| 00:01:10 | Araq | ldlework: but that should be possible for you to fix. edit compiler/vm.nim |
| 00:01:31 | Araq | and when the error message is generated throw in a typeToString(n.typ) or something |
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| 00:22:39 | ldlework | dom96: My questions were around how to ship non-code assets in nimble packages |
| 00:22:53 | ldlework | We should probably have a .nims filename that is the default |
| 00:23:04 | ldlework | where in if you name your nims file that, you don't have to specify it on the commandline |
| 00:23:06 | ldlework | you can just do |
| 00:23:09 | ldlework | nim taskname |
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| 00:39:16 | ldlework | the vm seems buggy sometimes :( |
| 00:41:07 | ldlework | If you look at this file: https://gist.github.com/dustinlacewell/c13f1a6998abac8c37e1 |
| 00:41:23 | ldlework | build_path is assigned ONLY ONCE in the whole program |
| 00:41:26 | ldlework | at the start |
| 00:41:33 | ldlework | to a path that ends with "gh_pages" |
| 00:41:40 | ldlework | no where else in the program is that name assigned to ever |
| 00:41:47 | ldlework | and yet, when we run the script you can see in the output |
| 00:41:56 | ldlework | that build_path's value has totally changed inexplicable |
| 00:42:05 | ldlework | Build path: |
| 00:42:07 | ldlework | /home/dlacewell/nim/dadren/docs/overview.rst |
| 00:42:09 | ldlework | makes no sense |
| 00:43:41 | ldlework | just gonna use a Makefile |
| 00:48:04 | dom96 | ldlework: pretty sure that's how it works currently? (re: .nims) |
| 00:49:12 | ldlework | dom96: what is how it works currently? |
| 00:49:30 | dom96 | what you said after you highlighted me |
| 00:49:40 | ldlework | what is the default filename? |
| 00:50:57 | ldlework | ah config.nims |
| 00:51:07 | ldlework | too bad the vm has bad memory safety apparently :( |
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| 01:04:26 | Araq | build_path = root_path / "gh_pages" |
| 01:04:41 | Araq | ldlework: workaround: make build_path a local var or a 'const' |
| 01:05:12 | ldlework | Araq: what? |
| 01:05:17 | ldlework | why would this value ever change?! |
| 01:05:29 | ldlework | I don't know why you pasted that line, are you pointing out something I did wrong or? |
| 01:05:53 | Araq | no. I agree with you, just trying to help you. |
| 01:06:13 | ldlework | I know, I was just confused what you were saying. |
| 01:06:31 | ldlework | Araq: is it a known bug or does it need an issue? |
| 01:06:50 | Araq | it surely is a showstopper bug |
| 01:07:26 | Araq | please report it but since it's personally annoying me it's pretty safe to assume I will fix it anyway |
| 01:07:38 | ldlework | doing const doesn't fix it btw |
| 01:08:26 | Araq | interesting |
| 01:11:26 | ldlework | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3876 |
| 01:12:06 | ldlework | Araq: making it a local variable... same behavor. |
| 01:13:18 | ldlework | I mentioned that in the issue. |
| 01:14:06 | Araq | I think something else is going on here |
| 01:14:11 | Araq | but I'll investigate |
| 01:22:31 | ldlework | Araq: are you interested in something like Sphinx documentation generator for Nim? |
| 01:23:11 | Araq | no. I like my docgen and the missing things won't be any easier with Sphinx |
| 01:23:23 | ldlework | I like our docgen too |
| 01:23:28 | ldlework | I meant for non-api documentation |
| 01:23:49 | ldlework | one thing I miss from sphinx is for hand-written docs the way it knows how to aggregate and generate table of contents |
| 01:24:53 | ldlework | Araq: you know? |
| 01:26:22 | ldlework | the nim auto-doc thing is really good, but I can't figure out how to effectively write hand-written documentation |
| 01:26:31 | ldlework | without painfully doing table of contents manually |
| 01:27:06 | ldlework | I wonder if Nim's rst engine has the ability to support directive extensions |
| 01:27:35 | Araq | look at nim's manual |
| 01:27:48 | Araq | last time I checked it has a table of contents |
| 01:28:01 | Araq | generated by .. toc:: or whatever |
| 01:30:14 | ldlework | Araq: manually curated. |
| 01:31:24 | ldlework | also achieved by include not toc |
| 01:36:35 | ldlework | http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/markup/toctree.html |
| 01:36:48 | ldlework | Since reST does not have facilities to interconnect several documents, or split documents into multiple output files, Sphinx uses a custom directive to add relations between the single files the documentation is made of, as well as tables of contents. The toctree directive is the central element. |
| 01:37:05 | ldlework | Is there anyway to add directives to Nim's rst support? |
| 01:50:15 | Araq | ldlework: feel free to add that feature to Nim's RST parser :-) |
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| 01:59:12 | awsteele | I vaguely recall a warning in the manual that do notation's future was unclear, but that warning is no longer there. Does that mean I can feel confident using it? |
| 02:00:25 | Araq | awsteele: I think so, yeah. |
| 02:00:55 | awsteele | great :) obviously we can't predict the future, but a lack of warning for now is good enough for me |
| 02:06:34 | awsteele | Now that nre is part of the stdlib, does it no longer compile its own PCRE (the github repo says so)? I'm getting "could not import: pcre_free_study" unless I install the system lib |
| 02:10:42 | Araq | yeah something like that. |
| 02:16:04 | ldlework | Hrm, the rst .. include: directive isnt' working :( |
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| 02:23:47 | Araq | .. include:: with two :: |
| 02:24:03 | Araq | and it does work, the stdlib uses it! |
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| 03:11:09 | ldlework | I have no idea why include doesn't work for me |
| 03:12:35 | ldlework | ah there we go |
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| 03:31:37 | ldlework | Araq: sweet, http://dadren.github.io/theindex.html |
| 03:31:45 | ldlework | or rather, http://dadren.github.io/ |
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| 06:09:20 | Varriount | Araq: Where is the type definition for an openarray? Or rather, what is it's structure? |
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| 07:27:27 | endragor | Varriount: it seems compiler expands openarray into two arguments: pointer and length of the array |
| 07:39:54 | endragor | Araq: why does NIM_INTBITS have to be defined as hardcoded constant instead of sizeof(void*)? nimbase.h then has an assert anyway that it is equal to sizeof(void*) |
| 07:40:58 | endragor | (sizeof(void*) * 8) |
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| 08:27:46 | Varriount | endragor: Is it to ensure that the compiler throws an error when Nim disagrees with pointer size? |
| 08:30:41 | endragor | Varriount: the assert is there to ensure that, yes, but my question was why define NIM_INTBITS as a constant in the first place. |
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| 09:30:38 | gokr | endragor: I suspect because using options to the compiler like ... --cpu:arm - Nim will decide "aha, then its 32 bits". |
| 09:31:06 | endragor | yeah, but so will C/C++ compiler for sizeof(void*) |
| 09:31:14 | endragor | with specific --arch flag |
| 09:32:18 | gokr | But... if NIM_INTBITS is set to what the C compiler thinks, then... that is not necessarily what I told the Nim compiler. |
| 09:32:24 | gokr | Perhaps I am missing something here. |
| 09:33:10 | gokr | I would however change the message you get - because... most of us have no clue what it means. |
| 09:34:28 | gokr | If it said "Hint: You may need some more options for your C compiler so that it uses XX bits for pointers." that ... would probably be more enlightening. |
| 09:37:19 | endragor | it's always the same as what the C compiler thinks because of the assert. The code will not compile if C compiler thinks different. |
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| 09:54:51 | gokr | endragor: I may be daft, but if you define NIM_INTBITS to what the C compiler things (using sizeof) and then remove the obviously not needed assert - then... you are not at all checking anything. |
| 09:56:46 | endragor | why would you? Let's see what Araq says - perhaps we are not seeing something |
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| 10:00:56 | flyx | better be safe than sorry? just assuming that the C compiler's sizeof(void*) always equals what Nim thinks it equals seems a bit bold |
| 10:02:34 | Araq | when sizeof(int) == 4: ... # Nim and the C compiler better agree on the size of an integer |
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| 10:22:53 | endragor | Araq: not sure I understood the answer... The question is why have "#define NIM_BITS 64" and then "assert(NIM_INTBITS == sizeof(void*) * 8)" instead of just having "#define NIM_INTBITS (sizeof(void*) * 8)" |
| 10:23:33 | Araq | because that would make the entire check completely pointless |
| 10:25:10 | endragor | well, yes, that's the point, isn't it? |
| 10:25:26 | Araq | we need the check. |
| 10:27:20 | endragor | that still sounds weird to me... are you talking about the check of NIM_INTBITS being equal to bits in a pointer or some other check? |
| 10:28:39 | endragor | sizeof(int) could return (NIM_INTBITS / 8) regardless of how NIM_INTBITS is defined |
| 10:29:07 | Araq | no it cannot |
| 10:29:49 | Araq | sizeof(int) is a constant that you can use in a when statement |
| 10:32:41 | Araq | what's the problem with the check anyway? why get rid of it? we used to have no such check but crashes instead |
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| 10:34:06 | endragor | I was not trying to get rid of the check, check is not the origin here. The hardcoded number in every source file seemed weird to me, given that it is anyway checked for being equal to (sizeof(void *) * 8). |
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| 11:08:54 | Araq | well it's generated code. nobody cares about "hardcoded" numbers in there. |
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| 14:21:29 | vega_nsk | Araq, hi! Can you tell me please what's wrong with the deepCopy call in another thread when using standard gc? The example is here : http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2052/1#12754 |
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| 14:23:07 | sepisoad | hi, how to update local nim repo and build the new version withouth getting csources |
| 14:23:33 | sepisoad | i just did git pull (devel repo) |
| 14:26:54 | vega_nsk | sepisoad: ./koch boot -d:release |
| 14:27:08 | Araq | vega_nsk: that code is so wrong on so many levels :P |
| 14:27:25 | vega_nsk | Araq: Oh, no! |
| 14:27:50 | vega_nsk | Araq: And for boehmgc too? |
| 14:27:52 | sepisoad | Araq, what to do then? |
| 14:28:10 | Araq | dunno, could be fine for Boehm |
| 14:30:32 | vega_nsk | Araq: Is it wrong to use ``deepCopy`` for the refs from another thread |
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| 14:34:24 | vega_nsk | Araq: I'm just trying to understand the Nim's memory model limitations, and I want to create somthing like an actors model as it was in scala |
| 14:34:58 | Araq | actors.nim exists |
| 14:35:13 | Araq | we deprecated it because it was crap ;-) |
| 14:35:56 | Araq | 1. you have converters from and to ptr with casts. in other words, I am not really willing to review your code. |
| 14:36:28 | Araq | 2. you cannot use a LinkedList because that internally uses refs aka thread local objects |
| 14:37:10 | Araq | you communication channel is created out of multiple heaps. cannot work. |
| 14:38:00 | Araq | 3. the stdlib's Channel is easily more efficient than your solution. |
| 14:38:43 | Araq | 4. you don't need to optimize the deepCopy to an ordinary assignment. the compiler does that for you. (iirc) |
| 14:43:31 | vega_nsk | Araq: Thanks! What do you think if i add a PR with a ``peekMsg`` that returns the top message from the channel? |
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| 14:58:32 | Araq | don't we have that already? |
| 15:03:05 | vega_nsk | Araq: No, ``peek`` returns the message count in the channel |
| 15:03:41 | Araq | tryRecv ? |
| 15:04:45 | vega_nsk | Araq: ``peekMsg`` will optionally return the top message in the channel, but without removing it from the channel |
| 15:05:16 | Araq | interesting. why is that necessary? |
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| 15:25:29 | vega_nsk | Araq: It's for something like a Java's aspect for an actor. We can do something without modifiyng an actor |
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| 15:39:51 | Araq | vega_nsk: fine with me then, but I prefer something that gets an int index |
| 15:40:16 | Araq | -1 would be the last entry in the channel, 0 the first |
| 15:40:27 | Araq | default value should be -1 |
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| 17:41:13 | vega_nsk | Araq: Got it. |
| 17:43:41 | dom96 | def-: GSoC application going ok? |
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| 18:57:08 | dom96 | The GSoC website is really nice this year. |
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| 19:06:52 | Araq | is it too late to change the proposals? |
| 19:09:57 | dom96 | Araq: the ideas? |
| 19:10:04 | dom96 | Nope. |
| 19:10:16 | dom96 | It doesn't look like def- had a chance to edit it much |
| 19:10:29 | dom96 | I hope he submitted the application |
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| 19:19:31 | def- | dom96: Yes, I did. We can still do changes to the proposals until tomorrow 19:00 UTC officially |
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| 19:20:29 | dom96 | def-: ahh awesome. |
| 19:20:39 | dom96 | def-: I was thinking of adding some Nimble tasks |
| 19:21:03 | dom96 | and I need to add my name under some of the existing tasks I guess |
| 19:21:06 | def- | dom96: I also invited you and Araq as organization admins, I think Araq accepted, you didn't |
| 19:21:24 | dom96 | def-: which email did you use? (please pm it) |
| 19:22:19 | dom96 | hrm, yeah, the @picheta.me email is a bit iffy sometimes. |
| 19:22:42 | dom96 | Got it now, thanks :) |
| 19:23:50 | dom96 | Wish Google stopped putting Material design everywhere. |
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| 19:38:08 | dom96 | def-: hope you don't mind if I edit some of your answers in the application? |
| 19:38:33 | def- | dom96: sure, go ahead |
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| 19:53:26 | dom96 | def-: I think Google will definitely be looking at something more for the "How will you keep mentors engaged with their students?" question |
| 19:53:33 | dom96 | *looking for |
| 19:53:42 | dom96 | Any ideas what we could do? |
| 19:53:45 | dom96 | Araq: ^ |
| 20:01:56 | dom96 | I updated it |
| 20:02:18 | dom96 | (Basically wrote that we will have a "meeting of mentors" every week, hope that's alright with you guys) |
| 20:05:12 | dom96 | okay, please check my changes and let me know what you think. |
| 20:05:58 | Araq | sure. the meetings are sponsored by Google, right? |
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| 20:07:49 | dom96 | Araq: Maybe :P |
| 20:08:16 | dom96 | def-: Did you get zahary's ok for being a mentor? His name is still on some projects. |
| 20:09:01 | def- | dom96: nope, we should probably ask him or remove his name (didn't see him around) |
| 20:09:16 | dom96 | Araq: Got any way to contact zahary? |
| 20:09:57 | Araq | hmmm I think I got his confirmation via skype |
| 20:10:03 | Araq | let me check |
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| 20:15:19 | dom96 | Let's hope they select more orgs this time around. |
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| 21:06:36 | dom96 | Araq: did he confirm? |
| 21:06:52 | Araq | he is still away |
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| 22:59:22 | Araq | dom96: he confirmed he'll be a mentor |
| 22:59:46 | dom96 | Araq: great |
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| 23:13:12 | ldlework | Can we write C++ bindings? |
| 23:13:49 | ldlework | Is a binding to this, http://neogfx.org/ possible? |
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| 23:33:01 | Araq | ldlework: yup. c2nim can parse C++ too. |
| 23:33:18 | ldlework | neat |
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