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| 00:09:25 | shashlick | does Nim support `proc abc(param: string|int)` |
| 00:09:41 | shashlick | then you can do `if param is string`? |
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| 00:38:30 | FromGitter | <gogolxdong> attempting to call undeclared routine: 'threadvar' |
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| 00:49:44 | FromGitter | <citycide> slashlick: yes but do `when param is string` instead of `if` |
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| 00:57:37 | FromGitter | <retsyo> @tim-st @data-man I have just learned that for unicode regex, at least `(*UTF8)` should be used, which is mentioned on `nre` document page |
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| 01:21:25 | shashlick | @citycide: thanks! |
| 01:22:06 | shashlick | @gogolxdong: --threads:on + import threading? |
| 01:28:55 | FromGitter | <gogolxdong> import threading? |
| 01:29:15 | FromGitter | <gogolxdong> which module. |
| 01:36:08 | AlexMax | Oof |
| 01:36:22 | AlexMax | UFCS doesn't mix with fully-qualified names |
| 01:36:38 | AlexMax | you can't do var x = 4.0.glm.GLfloat |
| 01:37:12 | AlexMax | erm |
| 01:37:35 | AlexMax | you can't do var x = 4.0.opengl.GLfloat |
| 01:38:06 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8013#issuecomment-413332220 for my proposal to allow it in UFCS |
| 01:39:55 | ltr_ | hello everyone, I'm playing right now with nimble and i would like to pass some flags/switches to the compiler in the "build" stage, how can that be archived? |
| 01:40:01 | ltr_ | for example --passL |
| 01:41:10 | AlexMax | I actually found that polluting the global namespace actually kinda sorta makes sense in some cases, and I used the "feature" a lot sooner than I had anticipated |
| 01:41:39 | AlexMax | all of the gl functions and the constants like GLfloat look kind of silly if they're namespaced |
| 01:42:06 | AlexMax | .....except they are kinda....already namespaced, aren't they? That's what the 'gl' and 'GL' are, after all |
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| 01:55:09 | FromGitter | <zetashift> @ltr_ I think you use a nim.cfg or something but this post says nimscript: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3603 |
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| 02:11:06 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> IRC experts/admin: Any idea why my kaushalmodi nick on IRC is banned? |
| 02:13:54 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> As it's banned on #nim, I cannot switch to that nick on any other channel too |
| 02:14:39 | FromGitter | <kaushalmodi> Pinging PMunch, dom96. Please see above ^ |
| 02:16:37 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> nim.cfg or FILE_NAME.nims |
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| 02:51:21 | ltr_ | zetashift: ill look into that |
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| 03:26:08 | shashlick | @kaushalmodi: probably not banned but muted |
| 03:26:14 | shashlick | Are you logged in? |
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| 07:01:04 | FromGitter | <tim-st> is it expected that `repr(var)` adds no newline suffix but `repr(addr(var))` does? |
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| 07:21:20 | FromGitter | <tim-st> another question: Is there a reason why `algorithm.sort` doesn't has default value `cmp=system.cmp`? |
| 07:22:04 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> this was previously asked; could u please file a bug? I think it’s a valid point |
| 07:22:20 | FromGitter | <tim-st> ok |
| 07:22:50 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> after that, optionally, maybe try to search in forum or IRC log to link to it :-) |
| 07:23:21 | FromGitter | <tim-st> yes, I do at the moment |
| 07:23:59 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> it was like in the past 2 to 3 days at most IIRC |
| 07:24:01 | FromGitter | <tim-st> also some easy algorithms are needed like bubblesort, shellsort |
| 07:24:23 | FromGitter | <tim-st> I remember it is asked at least every 2 months |
| 07:24:27 | FromGitter | <tim-st> in chat |
| 07:25:03 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> Meh, i think there are bigger priorities than bubble sort; do we at least have these: quicksort, timsort? |
| 07:25:50 | FromGitter | <tim-st> yes, we have a good one based on merge sort, but if I know that my element has length always in 0..20 it is much faster to use n^2 sort |
| 07:25:54 | FromGitter | <tim-st> insitu |
| 07:26:31 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> Ok that’s a very valid point. is bubble sort really state of the art for small n ??? |
| 07:27:39 | FromGitter | <tim-st> I dont know state of the art, I think in timsort there is a explicit check for small n and fall back, we should look there, I think in java code it is used too |
| 07:29:00 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> looking at D implementation for `sort` could be a good start; it’s pretty complete IIRC (see https://dlang.org/phobos/std_algorithm_sorting.html) |
| 07:30:31 | FromGitter | <tim-st> ok, thanks |
| 07:40:25 | Araq | for small N "insertion sort" is the state of art |
| 07:40:42 | Araq | or hardcoding the decision tree with ifs+swap |
| 07:44:29 | Araq | and no, we don't need every sort algorithm in the stdlib, quicksort() has O(n^2) worst case and is not a stable sort |
| 07:45:59 | Araq | you can fix all of its problems but the result is not pretty and nobody knows if it's still "quicker" than its competitors |
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| 07:56:05 | FromGitter | <tim-st> yes, I also found out about insertion sort, and already finished the nim implementation at this moment^^ |
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| 07:57:12 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Araq: was there a reason for not having `system.cmp` as default? |
| 07:57:22 | FromGitter | <tim-st> (for algorithm.sort) |
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| 08:16:28 | Araq | tim-st: tbh it was a workaround for a Nim bug :-) |
| 08:18:31 | FromGitter | <tim-st> ok, with the current devel vesion setting a default argument works, though I'm not sure if all test cases still work then |
| 08:18:53 | FromGitter | <tim-st> currently I get the following error: `Error: internal error: expr(nkClosedSymChoice); unknown node kind` dont know why |
| 08:22:44 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Oh, I found the solution: when already one param has a default value, the next one is not allowed (I mean it's obvious, but the error lets me search for minutes) |
| 08:23:00 | FromGitter | <tim-st> *is not allowed to be without default |
| 08:26:08 | Araq | it is allowed when you use keyword arguments |
| 08:26:47 | FromGitter | <tim-st> hm, when I changed the signature the error was gone |
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| 09:03:01 | FromGitter | <tim-st> keyword was exactly the reason for the crash :) |
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| 09:27:58 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> @tim-st maybe you can submit a issue “sort should have a default” so we don’t keep asking the same stuff over and over in IRC :-) ; it’s a lot more visible/searchable in github. If you want you can also link in issue your WIP to your private branch so we can all help if needed |
| 09:28:26 | FromGitter | <mratsim> Lambda the ultimate: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8675 https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/8678 https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/8679 |
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| 09:31:25 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @timotheecour for your variadic map, you can have a look into loop-fusion: https://github.com/numforge/loop-fusion |
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| 09:44:21 | FromGitter | <tim-st> @timotheecour I will do, but currently I have an issue open for `insertionSort` that will exactly affect `algorithm.sort` because it will have the same signature, unless the latest issue is not fixed I cannot address `algorithm.sort` |
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| 09:45:53 | FromGitter | <tim-st> well, I can already create the issue :) |
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| 10:17:19 | stefanos82 | with the latest repo updates, ./koch tools breaks https://www.pastery.net/rubqeg/ |
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| 11:31:03 | FromGitter | <Clyybber> @timotheecour Wouldn't it be better to fix the implementation of `=>` rather than special case map/map2 ? |
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| 12:04:30 | PMunch | @dom96: http://ix.io/1ky0 |
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| 12:52:21 | Araq | so ... how can I add ~/.cache/nim to my VSCode workspace? |
| 12:53:27 | Araq | I don't know how anybody can stay productive with these "best practice" hidden folders |
| 12:53:56 | Araq | it's bullshit, don't hide directories |
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| 13:07:17 | Xe | does the nim frontend stuff have some ability for complicated web applications? |
| 13:07:44 | Xe | also is there a protocol buffer generator for nim yet? |
| 13:08:24 | FromDiscord | <awr> i believe there is a capn proto library in nimble |
| 13:08:53 | Xe | i need normal protobufs though |
| 13:09:09 | FromDiscord | <awr> also there is https://github.com/PMunch/protobuf-nim |
| 13:09:38 | Xe | that's not a normal code generator though |
| 13:10:27 | FromDiscord | <awr> what do you mean by generate? do you mean convert an arbitrary nim object to protobuf? |
| 13:10:43 | FromDiscord | <awr> apologies if i'm confused, i'm slightly more familiar with capn proto |
| 13:11:38 | FromDiscord | <awr> https://github.com/oswjk/nimpb ? |
| 13:12:32 | Araq | xet7: does nim's forum count as a complicated web app? |
| 13:12:57 | Xe | Araq: does it have a router that i can attach pages to? |
| 13:13:08 | Xe | or some kind of similar abstraction? |
| 13:13:51 | Araq | Karax supports routing, yes. Not sure what kind of abstraction you need |
| 13:14:28 | Araq | mapping strings to functions is not what I consider abstraction worthy |
| 13:16:07 | FromGitter | <data-man> @Araq: When you have time: https://github.com/nim-lang/c2nim/pull/134 |
| 13:16:40 | Araq | data-man: awesome :-) |
| 13:17:40 | Xe | Araq: I see, that's actually better, thanks. |
| 13:18:49 | FromDiscord | <awr> wow i was just going to ask about the removal of nilable seqs and strings lol |
| 13:19:30 | FromDiscord | <awr> what is going to be better style going forward? `a == ""/@[]` or `a.len == 0`? |
| 13:19:46 | FromDiscord | <awr> i suppose the latter is more generic |
| 13:19:57 | FromGitter | <tim-st> len == 0 is better I think |
| 13:20:22 | Araq | len == 0 is better. |
| 13:21:25 | Araq | maybe we should get isEmpty(), it's handy for compressed data structures |
| 13:22:12 | FromDiscord | <awr> i guess that sort of thing should be clarified in NEP-1 |
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| 13:25:24 | Araq | also called the "style guide" |
| 13:25:48 | Araq | interestingly every other "NEP" is called "RFC"... |
| 13:27:17 | FromDiscord | <awr> Nim Improvement Manifesto |
| 13:29:34 | Araq | lol |
| 13:29:53 | FromDiscord | <awr> do we still use the experimental pragma? if so `{.reorder: on.}` should probably be made experimental for the time being |
| 13:30:19 | Araq | awr: indeed, but I think 'reorder' is not even documented anywhere |
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| 13:31:19 | FromDiscord | <awr> yeah i noticed an issue with it and I couldn't find it in the manual |
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| 14:10:32 | FromGitter | <tim-st> Should my lib with c sources work with `nim cpp -r lib.nim` too? |
| 14:10:50 | FromGitter | <tim-st> I tried to compile it but it seems to hang without error |
| 14:11:05 | FromGitter | <gogolxdong> Have anyone noticed nimble suffers regression from nil? |
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| 15:08:02 | dom96 | PMunch: weird, bug report |
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| 15:29:50 | xet7 | Araq: I did read through nim's forum code. It's not any "hello world" app, but a advanced real-world app, but code is so understandable, and not so long in length, so I would not count is as complicated. It is easier to understand than php forum code I have read. |
| 15:31:11 | xet7 | I did read nim's forum code some days ago. |
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| 15:33:44 | xet7 | forum code could be improved by splitting big code file to smaller files that would have file names describing their functionality. |
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| 15:48:59 | shashlick | Araq: does this syntax still work? |
| 15:49:11 | shashlick | `{.compile: ("./libui/common/*.c", "common_$#.obj").}` |
| 15:49:34 | shashlick | I tried and it doesn't |
| 15:50:36 | shashlick | Figured Nim has an issue with overwriting object files if file name is identical across directories |
| 15:51:38 | shashlick | dom96 ^^ since you've worked in this too |
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| 15:57:08 | Araq | shashlick: it still works |
| 16:01:07 | FromDiscord | <treeform> I have added selection and picking to my typography text font library: |
| 16:01:09 | FromDiscord | <treeform> |
| 16:01:09 | FromDiscord | <treeform> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/371759389889003532/480405800628518912/unknown.png |
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| 16:03:04 | shashlick | Araq: ok I'll check, it's not documented so |
| 16:03:19 | shashlick | But is it known that object files will get overwritten? |
| 16:03:33 | shashlick | Shouldn't Nim complain or rename it something |
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| 16:34:00 | Araq | yeah well... let's better fix it |
| 16:35:35 | shashlick | What's the right thing to do? Rename the object file and not bother user? |
| 16:39:30 | Araq | yeah |
| 16:39:47 | ltr_ | evenings!, quick question, can i get the value of a C enum member from nim with {.importc? |
| 16:40:21 | ltr_ | or just import an enum |
| 16:40:49 | Araq | nah, c2nim can do that though, maybe |
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| 16:41:15 | dom96 | treeform: niceee :) |
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| 17:06:07 | federico3 | any Mastodo user? |
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| 17:12:37 | FromGitter | <zetashift> mastodo or mastodon? |
| 17:25:00 | federico3 | mastodon :) |
| 17:35:09 | Araq | masturbatodo |
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| 17:36:36 | dom96 | https://mastodon.social/@dom96 |
| 17:37:02 | dom96 | Mastodon really needs a trending list |
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| 17:57:44 | stefanos82 | why are we still depending on hosts? :/ with p2p technologies, can't we have a direct p2p connection between us, much like how magnet links work? |
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| 18:17:15 | FromGitter | <tim-st> is there a link where nims proc overloading rules are clearly defined? Some things are suprising to me |
| 18:19:15 | FromGitter | <tim-st> it says: `How this overloading resolution algorithm works exactly is not discussed here (it will be specified in the manual soon). ` https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html#procedures-named-arguments |
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| 18:23:27 | Araq | tim-st: it is in the manual |
| 18:25:27 | FromGitter | <tim-st> thanks, it's just surprising that multiple set default values for one proc dont work when not all are set for the call |
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| 18:32:57 | shashlick | I think I have some issue with comctl32.dll, not able to load it on runtime |
| 18:33:11 | shashlick | But on two machines so wondering what's going on |
| 18:33:25 | shashlick | Everything compiles and links fine |
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| 19:58:16 | stefanos82 | Araq or dom96: did you guys see my message about an error that takes place during ./koch tools building procedure? |
| 19:58:17 | stefanos82 | https://www.pastery.net/rubqeg/ |
| 20:04:21 | dom96 | https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/issues/520 |
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| 20:24:27 | stefanos82 | dom96: so what am I supposed to do? All I did was first fetch the latest repo updates, then run ./koch boot -d:release and then ./koch tools; that's all |
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| 20:32:31 | stefanos82 | dom96: ah...I didn't rebuild koch -_- |
| 20:32:35 | stefanos82 | now it works as expected |
| 20:35:33 | zachk | whats the most up to date or preffered sdl2 library for nim? the nimble install sdl2 doesnt seem to work with the lastest SDL2_gfx |
| 20:43:54 | FromDiscord | <awr> i use this one because the other one has gaps |
| 20:43:57 | FromDiscord | <awr> https://github.com/Vladar4/sdl2_nim |
| 20:44:32 | FromDiscord | <awr> by gaps i mean missing a lot of stuff |
| 20:44:34 | zachk | awr, does it include SDL2_gfx in it? |
| 20:44:47 | FromDiscord | <awr> looks like it |
| 20:45:10 | zachk | thank you |
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| 20:46:12 | FromDiscord | <awr> you may want to uninstall the other one, they might conflict |
| 20:46:20 | FromDiscord | <awr> when you import them at least |
| 20:47:35 | FromDiscord | <awr> i dont use SDL2_gfx but has anything changed with it recently? |
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| 20:59:46 | Araq | please patch the existing official SDL2 wrapper |
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| 21:25:13 | dom96 | Vladar4's sdl package should be updated to not conflict |
| 21:25:23 | dom96 | This is precisely why Nimble gives warnings during its installation |
| 21:25:42 | dom96 | Conflicts shouldn't be possible and that's why Nimble will simply make that an error soon |
| 21:26:14 | shashlick | okay so at least I'm not crazy - just tried nim-lang/ui and controlgallery.nim and I run into the same error |
| 21:26:27 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> What's the best dependency manager for Nim projects? |
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| 21:26:59 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Nimble doesn't meet my needs as it only handles dependencies for packages and this is not a package in any form. |
| 21:27:09 | shashlick | `The procedure entry point TaskDialog could not be located in the dynamic link library c:\....\controlgallery.exe` |
| 21:27:23 | shashlick | why does it act like the exe is a link library |
| 21:28:55 | shashlick | TaskDialog is in comctl32.dll but 32-bit program gets linked to the comctl32.dll in winsxs for some reason |
| 21:29:32 | dom96 | kayabaNerve: what? |
| 21:29:39 | dom96 | You want a dependency manager that handles what then? |
| 21:32:24 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Installing Nimble packages/running some Git commands but not installing the project as a Nimble package |
| 21:33:10 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Nimble develop and install both try to install the project as a package. AFAIK, there's no other way to get Nimble to install dependencies. The project isn't structured according to Nimble rules and shouldn't be installed as a Nimble package. |
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| 21:51:29 | dom96 | Every package management system expects some sort of structure |
| 21:51:38 | dom96 | You can just use git submodules if you want |
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| 22:07:30 | shashlick | this is pointless, unless I get some useful input, this libui wrapper is dead - I cannot even get the official nim-lang/ui wrapper working |
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| 22:11:03 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> ```git submodule update --init ⏎ nimble install stint nimcrypto secp256k1 nimx``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b789976157b9d34efa6fa5f] |
| 22:11:44 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Those are the commands I have to run. I just wanted to know if there's a prominent Nim tool that will handle that for whoever downloads the code. |
| 22:12:19 | FromGitter | <DanielSokil> Are there any official of unofficial code style formatters for Nim? |
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| 22:15:17 | dom96 | kayabaNerve: That's what you would use a .nimble file for |
| 22:16:24 | dom96 | if you're writing a binary program then you don't even need to care about any structure |
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| 22:17:25 | dom96 | https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/blob/master/nimforum.nimble#L35 |
| 22:19:13 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> So you use a task > nimble install/develop. Got it |
| 22:19:23 | dom96 | kayabaNerve: no |
| 22:19:30 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Nope. |
| 22:19:35 | dom96 | I was replying to zacharycarter[m] |
| 22:19:35 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yep. Just looked over it more. |
| 22:19:52 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Sorry |
| 22:19:59 | dom96 | You just need requires "stint"; requires "nimcrypto" etc. |
| 22:20:22 | dom96 | zacharycarter[m]: Yes, docs can always be improved/extended |
| 22:21:01 | FromGitter | <kayabaNerve> Yep... that's the part I have an issue with because it tries to install it as a package. Also, his messages aren't being relayed to Gitter. |
| 22:21:15 | dom96 | Nimble isn't a black box. If you don't understand what it's doing check out its source code, or run with `--debug` or `--verbose` |
| 22:22:14 | zacharycarter[m] | I'm not blaming nimble - I'm really blaming nimscript and the lack of documentation b/w the two |
| 22:22:23 | dom96 | This spamming situation is really annoying |
| 22:22:46 | zacharycarter[m] | I'm in riot - :shrug: |
| 22:23:02 | dom96 | zacharycarter[m]: You're unmuted now |
| 22:23:31 | zacharycarter[m] | thanks - I'm in riot - so not sure how I got muted |
| 22:23:59 | dom96 | As much as you might be on Riot you are connected to IRC |
| 22:24:11 | dom96 | And you're not identified/registered so you're muted by default |
| 22:24:24 | zacharycarter[m] | I think there's a disconnect / lack of explanation regarding how you can use nimble much like NPM to create a set of tasks for managing a product |
| 22:24:49 | zacharycarter[m] | ah - okay, thank you - I need to set up auto-register w/ nickserv I guess or just get a IRC client, because this does suck |
| 22:25:08 | zacharycarter[m] | sorry I meant project not product |
| 22:27:26 | dom96 | It's fine, just don't change your nickname and you'll be fine |
| 22:27:39 | dom96 | In fact, let me just exempt all of matrix.org |
| 22:29:34 | dom96 | Okay, hopefully that works |
| 22:29:51 | zacharycarter[m] | 👍thank you |
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| 23:06:49 | zachk | im getting this error "could not load: SDL2_gfx.dll" when I use the sdl_gfx from sdl2 or sdl2_nim, im using msys2, I have sdl2_gfx installed manually from source, I also tried the pacman version, I even downloaded the dll and put it different places, how do I get it working? |
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| 23:40:23 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> zachk: have you tried putting it in the same folder as your compiled executable? is the name correct (SDL2_gfx.dll not libSDL2_gfx.dll)? could it be a 32 bit vs 64 bit issue? |
| 23:40:51 | zachk | not sure, I tried the same directory gave a slightly different complaint |
| 23:40:51 | zachk | night |
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