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03:38:55FromDiscord<Joe-23> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uv4
03:39:33FromDiscord<Joe-23> (edit) 'https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uv4' => 'https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uv5'
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03:43:29FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> `proc a(args): float`
03:43:31FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> missing the `:`
03:45:10FromDiscord<Joe-23> ah
03:45:11FromDiscord<Joe-23> Right I see now
03:45:12FromDiscord<Joe-23> thanks
03:47:38FromDiscord<Rika> needs a better error message it seems
03:49:47FromDiscord<Joe-23> > needs a better error message it seems↵@Rika Its always very difficult to find what error I made because the compiler doesn't quite tell me what it is
03:49:56FromDiscord<Joe-23> I hope they improve the error messages
03:51:56FromDiscord<Rika> error messages are hard 😛
03:52:38FromDiscord<Joe-23> But Rust I have to admit has a better error messaging ssytem
03:52:42FromDiscord<Joe-23> despite how hard it is to learn
03:52:48FromDiscord<Rika> well theyve got much more manpower than we have
03:52:57FromDiscord<Joe-23> Yeah that is a shame
03:53:07FromDiscord<Joe-23> It could also be the fact that Rust is an older language compared to Nim
03:53:11FromDiscord<Joe-23> when was Nim released anyways?
03:53:13FromDiscord<Rika> it is not
03:53:15FromDiscord<Rika> 2009
03:53:18FromDiscord<Joe-23> Oh
03:53:30FromDiscord<Joe-23> > 2009↵@Rika Oh wow, I thought it is a recently made language
03:53:34FromDiscord<Rika> its really a matter of how many people
03:53:41FromDiscord<Joe-23> Yeah true
03:53:50FromDiscord<Joe-23> Why is Rust more popular than Nim?
03:53:59FromDiscord<Rika> that is a hard question to answer
03:54:13FromDiscord<Rika> since there is a massive number of factors to consider
03:54:23FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Isn't Rust backed by a big company?
03:54:27FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Or am i wrong
03:54:28FromDiscord<Rika> yes
03:54:28FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Nim doesnt have a big backer, like Go/Rust/Kotlin
03:54:29FromDiscord<Rika> mozilla
03:54:35FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Yeah that's why
03:54:36FromDiscord<Joe-23> > Nim doesnt have a big backer, like Go/Rust/Kotlin↵@Elegant Beef I see
03:54:42FromDiscord<Joe-23> > Yeah that's why↵@Hearthstone That makes sense
03:54:46FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Mhm
03:54:55FromDiscord<Hearthstone> It's sad really
03:55:14FromDiscord<Rika> nim's biggest backer (status.im) is relatively unknown versus google/mozilla/jetbrains
03:55:39FromDiscord<Hearthstone> That's sad, because Nim really is awesome
03:55:39FromDiscord<Rika> especially google, try looking for someone who doesnt know google...
03:56:19FromDiscord<Hearthstone> :/
03:56:35FromDiscord<Rika> hard to find a big sponsor though
03:56:58FromDiscord<Rika> then the issue of them possibly having a large influence on the direction of the language
03:57:01FromDiscord<Hearthstone> That's true
03:57:10FromDiscord<Rika> wonder if python had a big backer in its smaller days
03:57:16FromDiscord<Joe-23> > That's sad, because Nim really is awesome↵@Hearthstone Nim should honestly get more backers
03:57:21FromDiscord<Hearthstone> I don't think so
03:57:28FromDiscord<Joe-23> its really much better than Python, and is easier to learn than C++
03:57:32FromDiscord<Rika> then let's just wait as long as python did 😛
03:57:33FromDiscord<Joe-23> Python I reckon has more backers
03:57:44FromDiscord<Rika> i meant in its earlier days
03:57:48FromDiscord<Hearthstone> I think it was only able to gain popularity back then because it was when programming was brand new
03:57:48FromDiscord<Rika> 2005 or so
03:58:01FromDiscord<Joe-23> I see
03:58:09FromDiscord<Hearthstone> By brand new, i mean higher level programming languages
03:58:12FromDiscord<Hearthstone> :P
03:58:29FromDiscord<Rika> fun fact: python is technically older than java
03:58:44FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Technically?
03:59:17FromDiscord<Rika> well i dont know if you'd consider "python 1" truly python so
03:59:46FromDiscord<Rika> python 2 is younger than the start of java but python 1 is older
04:00:12FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Python 1 isn't truely Python?
04:00:18FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Python is Python
04:00:36FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Even if the syntax completely changes in the language (imo)
04:00:48FromDiscord<Rika> then you got your answer
04:00:57FromDiscord<Hearthstone> So even if the lang went from braces to indents. It's still the same language
04:01:02FromDiscord<Hearthstone> Noice
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04:36:03FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Questions
04:36:27FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Does Nim treat strings stored in a const as string literals
04:41:46FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Opposed to what?
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04:51:16FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Also another question,how does Nim macros compare to rust macros?
04:58:06FromDiscord<Rika> much stronger
04:58:20FromDiscord<Rika> at least from what i heard from everyone here in this chat
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05:08:49FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Apparently rust proc macros need to be stored in another file
05:08:54FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Wdym much stronger though
05:09:04FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Power, flexibility, readability, learning curve, usability
05:09:38FromDiscord<Rika> pretty much all afaik
05:09:43FromDiscord<Rika> not sure on some
05:09:49FromDiscord<Rika> but i can say theyre pretty easy to use
05:10:01FromDiscord<Rika> since they can be treated the same as function calls
05:10:04FromDiscord<Rika> or can be pragmas
05:10:17FromDiscord<Rika> so maybe that also ticks your flexibility box
05:10:33FromDiscord<Rika> but also to tick that box you can have untyped ast or typed ast macros
05:10:44FromDiscord<Rika> unfortunately no reader macros if you;re from lisp
05:11:02FromDiscord<Rika> learning curve is still kinda high ~~but not as high as rust lifetimes~~
05:11:44FromDiscord<Rika> readability is kinda horrid since theyre full of either `nnk{Smth}.newTree(...)` or `new{Smth}(...)` constructions if not using `quote do:`
05:12:01FromDiscord<Rika> but if its using `quote do:` they look basically like regular proc code
05:12:09FromDiscord<Rika> power i cant tell you
05:12:11FromDiscord<Rika> i dont know
05:22:30FromDiscord<Joe-23> Is there a way to install nimble
05:22:44FromDiscord<Joe-23> https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble
05:22:48FromDiscord<Joe-23> So I git clone it
05:23:02FromDiscord<Joe-23> And then how would I install it for Windows?
05:24:23FromDiscord<Rika> it should have been installed when you installed nim
05:24:39FromDiscord<Joe-23> Oh
05:24:42FromDiscord<Rika> also there are instructions on the readme
05:24:54FromDiscord<Joe-23> cause https://pragmagic.github.io/godot-nim/master/index.html#getting-started-adding-nim-to-existing-project I am going to try out Godot-nim
05:25:07FromDiscord<Joe-23> and it wants me to have it installed
05:25:11FromDiscord<Joe-23> but good its preinstalled
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05:47:39FromDiscord<Joe-23> https://pragmagic.github.io/godot-nim/master/index.html#getting-started-creating-project
05:48:16FromDiscord<Joe-23> > https://pragmagic.github.io/godot-nim/master/index.html#getting-started-creating-project↵@Joe-23 Since I don't have `git` on Windows, `git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/pragmagic/godot-nim-stub.git myproject` is it ok to just directly download this file?
05:48:42FromDiscord<Joe-23> Or can I just skip this step?
05:50:25FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I mean yea you can, but gitbash is easy to get
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06:03:41FromDiscord<Joe-23> Thanks 🙂
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06:50:46FromDiscord<Joe-23> Is Godot going to officially implement Nim in Godot 4.0?
06:51:13FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Probably not, there are too many language bindings for that to be maintainable with their small dev team
06:51:31FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Plus the current devs arent even the ones that made the nim bindings
06:52:10FromDiscord<Joe-23> > Plus the current devs arent even the ones that made the nim bindings↵@Elegant Beef Oh I see, that is a bit of a shame
06:52:28FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> It'd be cool since godot's gdscript is very similar to nim's syntax
06:57:04FromDiscord<Joe-23> > It'd be cool since godot's gdscript is very similar to nim's syntax↵@Elegant Beef Yeah plus they will get the benefit of higher performance
07:03:52FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> How would I go about checking if a string contains the same letter twice?
07:04:28FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Not searching for a particular letter, and the seq holding this is about 400k items long, so it needs to be somewhat efficient
07:12:09FromDiscord<Joe-23> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2uvB
07:16:07AraqiWonderAboutTuatara: scan through the string like so:
07:16:19Araqvar seen: set[char] = {}
07:16:55Araqfor c in s: if c in seen: echo "twice! ", c; seen.incl c
07:18:21FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I'll try that, but I have no idea what that cide is doing
07:19:32Araqso read one of our tutorials
07:19:44FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Oh you're araq
07:19:47FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Just noticed lol
07:19:51FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Which one?
07:22:15FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> It's not that I don't know what the blocks mean, I just have no idea what they're doing combined with each other
07:22:59FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> @Araq[IRC]#0000
07:23:08Araqwell a set[char] is a set. we remember the characters we have seen
07:23:27Araqif we see a char again, it occured at least twice in the input string
07:23:56FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> What does s mean?
07:24:01FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> For c in a
07:24:07Araqit's your search string
07:24:08FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Here is a blocked form if that clears it more
07:24:10FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uvE
07:24:42FromGitter<gogolxdong> @Araq, glad you are back from holiday.
07:24:56FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Oh, that is much clearer
07:25:04FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Thanks @Elegant Beef and @Araq[IRC]#0000
07:30:11FromGitter<gogolxdong> Have you received my messages from skype? I can't text you on Telegram .
07:34:00FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Can you use ifs in maps?
07:34:33FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Nvm
07:35:44FromDiscord<Rika> use filter
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07:42:06FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Yeah
07:46:48planetis[m]try collect macro from sugar https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/sugar.html
07:52:29FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I feel like this is a stupid question, but I'm getting an error I cannot parse
07:52:52FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Code + error = solution
07:53:16FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> The line is words.keepItIf(letter in it)
07:53:28FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Letter is a char, words is a seq
07:54:07FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Template/generic instiation of `keepItIf` from here
07:54:18FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Is the error
07:54:47FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> (edit) '`keepItIf`' => '\`keepItIf\`'
07:55:11FromDiscord<Rika> seq of what
07:55:18FromDiscord<Rika> will not work if seq of string
07:55:39FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Why is that?
07:55:44FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> It is a seq of string
07:55:49FromDiscord<Rika> because you're checking if a char is in a seq of string
07:56:06FromDiscord<Rika> that makes as much sense as checking an int in a seq of seq of int
07:56:07FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> You can't check if a char is in a string?
07:56:13FromDiscord<Rika> no that is not what you are doing
07:56:25FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> the predicate can be a body of code, afaik
07:56:47FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> From what I understood this goes through every element in the seq and only keeps it if it's fulfills some condition
07:56:50FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> But keep if will remove the entire seq
07:56:53FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I think I misunderstood though
07:56:54FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> (edit) 'seq' => 'word'
07:56:56FromDiscord<Rika> yes it does
07:57:08FromDiscord<Rika> but you're thinking in one dimension too little
07:57:31FromDiscord<Rika> you're checking if a char is in a seq of strings -> youre iterating through the seq checking if a char is equal to a string
07:57:35FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> strings are a sequence of chars and you have a sequence of a sequence
07:57:58FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I thought in keyword checks if char contains string?
07:57:59FromDiscord<Rika> you have to map the seq and keep if char in string instead
07:58:03FromDiscord<Rika> no
07:58:06FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> *other way around
07:58:16FromDiscord<Rika> you're doing it the wrong way
07:58:36FromDiscord<Rika> wait
07:58:37FromDiscord<Rika> hmm
07:58:38FromDiscord<Rika> no
07:58:40FromDiscord<Rika> that should work
07:58:43FromDiscord<Rika> what's the full error
07:58:47FromDiscord<Rika> show the compiler error
07:58:52FromDiscord<Rika> not the ide error
07:59:01FromDiscord<Rika> i'm kinda loopy; its late for me, sorry
07:59:18FromDiscord<Rika> actually no you misnamed your vars
07:59:24FromDiscord<Rika> yeah i am deffo being confused here
07:59:33FromDiscord<Rika> so words is a seq[string]
07:59:36FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I think I'm more confused than you are tbh
07:59:47FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Compiler error is the same
07:59:55FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> As the ide error
08:00:29FromDiscord<Rika> ok so you need to do `words.mapIt(it.keepItIf(letter in it))` (though i dont know if nesting these would work...)
08:00:49FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> What is that doing that this isn't?
08:00:49FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> if your code is `words.keepitIf(it.contains('b'))` it should work
08:00:55FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I'll try it, just trying to understand
08:01:08FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Is there a difference between contains proc and in keyword?
08:01:14FromDiscord<Rika> i'm confused really
08:01:17FromDiscord<Rika> i'm really confused
08:01:26FromDiscord<Rika> > Is there a difference between contains proc and in keyword?↵@iWonderAboutTuatara really, no
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08:01:46FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Error doesn't disappear if I do that @Elegant Beef
08:02:02FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> do you `import sequtils`?
08:02:07FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I did
08:02:17FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> can we see the entire code on nim.playground?
08:02:22FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I already made that mistake
08:02:24FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Will send link
08:02:48FromDiscord<Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uvI @iWonderAboutTuatara
08:02:57FromDiscord<Rika> keepItIf is inplace
08:03:00FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I have to send it on my comp
08:03:05FromDiscord<Rika> see my link first
08:03:06FromDiscord<Rika> please
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08:03:22FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Yeah that's what I'm doing I think
08:03:27FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> But with variables in a proc
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08:03:49FromDiscord<Rika> then what is wrong...
08:04:32FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uvJ
08:04:35FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> here is the playground
08:04:42FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> maybe I made a silly mistake somewhere
08:04:52FromDiscord<Rika> words is not var
08:05:04FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> yea the keepItIf proc requires a mutable data type
08:05:09FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> oh
08:05:12FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> oh of course
08:05:20FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> right
08:05:20FromDiscord<Rika> use filter
08:05:23FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> its directly mutating it
08:05:32FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> i'll just shadow words
08:05:46FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> filterIt will do what you want
08:05:53FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Also you know in that case you could make those funcs 😄
08:06:02FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> filterIt returns the new seq right?
08:06:05FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> yea
08:06:18FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> that was a really stupid mistake lmao
08:06:35FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I should have thought that through a bit more
08:06:37FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> thanks for all the help
08:07:02FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Wonder if the compiler should see if the type you're passing is of the same type just immutable and if so mention that
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08:07:43FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> that would have been nice
08:07:55FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> the template/generic instatiation message is royally unhelpful
08:08:10FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> because it tells you literally nothing other than that the issue is in the template somewhere
08:08:20FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I mean that error basically says "You're trying to use a proc that doesnt exist"
08:08:21FromDiscord<Rika> `/playground/nim/lib/pure/collections/sequtils.nim(599, 29) Error: 'words[pos`gensym3685461]' cannot be assigned to`
08:08:24FromDiscord<Rika> its there tho
08:09:06FromDiscord<Rika> the error is the one with the red scary error message
08:09:08FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> i dont know about anyone else but if i see an error coming from something that isnt my code i subconsiously dont even consider it
08:09:26FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> also you have to run it
08:09:31FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> it doesnt show up in nim check
08:09:38FromDiscord<Rika> yeah that's because it's a template
08:09:46FromDiscord<Rika> well
08:09:48FromDiscord<Rika> rather
08:09:51FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> is that just how that works?
08:09:54FromDiscord<Rika> i think the plugin you're using is just bad
08:09:57FromDiscord<Rika> at showing the correct error
08:09:58FromDiscord<Rika> no no
08:10:00FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> vscode nim official
08:10:03FromDiscord<Rika> i dont think it is
08:10:12FromDiscord<Rika> yeah vscode's plugin isnt the best
08:10:27FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> which ide do people use?
08:10:36FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I use vscode
08:10:38FromDiscord<Rika> people say the best one is the neovim one
08:10:40FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Many use nvim
08:10:41FromDiscord<Rika> best *plugin
08:10:43FromDiscord<Rika> for nim
08:10:58FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> but that's vim
08:11:08FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> which is a pretty major downside
08:11:10FromDiscord<Rika> well yeah that just means many nim users use vim
08:11:22FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> surprising actually
08:11:39FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> i can see way more users of something like rust using vim than nim
08:11:41FromDiscord<Rika> or rather the plugin that gets most love is the neovim one
08:12:13FromDiscord<Rika> its probably just a matter of how many experienced nim programmers use a certain editor
08:12:26FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I'd love to improve the VScode extension, but i cant be arsed to write the js required 😄
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08:12:59FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> nim syntax i feel like is the opposite of vim
08:12:59FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Uhh
08:12:59FromDiscord<Rika> wdym?
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08:13:00FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> its meant to be friendly and relatively easy and such
08:13:01FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> and vim is vim
08:13:07FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Vim isnt difficult to use
08:13:08FromDiscord<Rika> vim is meant to be fast as fuuuuuck
08:13:25FromDiscord<Rika> it is for those who havent learned the massive number of bindings to be productive
08:13:28FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> vim has a reputation for being very difficult to use
08:13:51FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I mean it's all keyboard base so the intro UX is terrible
08:13:54FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> unless im really mixing things up here
08:13:58FromDiscord<Rika> you arent
08:14:04FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> But it's not hard to pick up really imo
08:14:17FromDiscord<Rika> compared to vscode it is lol
08:14:32FromDiscord<Rika> but once you go in you'll never want to go back out is what most people say
08:14:38FromDiscord<Rika> ~~ngl i agree~~
08:16:26FromDiscord<Rika> anyway back at the issue, the vscode extension just shows "template/generic instantiation..." for template errors for some reason
08:16:29FromDiscord<Rika> i dont know why
08:16:34FromDiscord<Rika> prolly a nimsuggest issue
08:16:40FromDiscord<Rika> rather a nim check issue?
08:16:56FromDiscord<Rika> i dont know
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08:23:42FromDiscord<Joe-23> Hey does anyone know how to set up Godot Nim
08:23:46FromDiscord<Joe-23> I already downloaded
08:23:52FromDiscord<Joe-23> copied some of their nake files
08:23:53FromDiscord<Joe-23> etc
08:23:58FromDiscord<Joe-23> so now what do I do next?
08:37:02solitudesfhttps://github.com/pragmagic/godot-nim-stub
08:38:44FromDiscord<Kiloneie> What are the advantages of text only code editors like Vim? I never used them, i looked at them but i just see a wall of text.
08:38:58bunghow can I get maximum count of displayable characters and fractional digits of float,double ? am passing data to mysql message package
08:40:26solitudesf@Kiloneie, its a text editor, what else do you expect to see
08:40:45FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Yeh well...
08:41:00FromDiscord<Rika> @Kiloneie the text only aspect is not what gives them advantages
08:41:25FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Easy extensibility since no gui elements?
08:41:50FromDiscord<Joe-23> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2uvT
08:41:56FromDiscord<Joe-23> I am not too sure what to do there
08:42:03FromGitter<jorjun_twitter> @Kiloneie like programming languages, choice of IDE is down to temperament rather than objective advantages.
08:42:36FromDiscord<Rika> @Kiloneie well, depends on how extensions are implemented
08:42:47FromDiscord<Rika> use what you want
08:42:59FromDiscord<Rika> or what would give you the best experience
08:43:32FromDiscord<Kiloneie> Okay. Well i for one whenever i used vs studio i was like O,O... So many features... I know nothing about...
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08:45:03FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> im having some weird issues with readchar stdin
08:45:16FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> i need to read multiple chars in quick sucession
08:45:21FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> but the thing is that pressing enter clears more than one
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08:49:57alfabetacain[m]Maybe the enter keypress sends both \r and \n?
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08:55:18FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> I think it's sending multiple \n
08:55:31FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> And I don't really know how to fix that
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08:56:07FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> In Godot engine we'd use timers to create the delay
08:56:12FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> But obviously not an option
08:56:18alfabetacain[m]You could filter out duplicates, maybe?
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09:08:35FromDiscord<Shucks> Did someone tried figet with figma yet? Is it possible to load a standard font on windows? Like arial.
09:08:39FromDiscord<Shucks> fidget*
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09:09:46FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> If you pass the path to the font you should be able to load it
09:10:05FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> He added a `loadFontAbsolute`
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09:11:52FromDiscord<Shucks> mh, don't got that call on my build. But I just add the path instead then.
09:15:05FromDiscord<Shucks> Guess it's just looking for it in the project data folder. `Error: unhandled exception: File data\C:\Windows\Fonts\Arial\arial.ttf does not exist. [IOError]`
09:15:37FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> @alfabetacain[Matrix]#0000 that's a very good idea
09:15:49FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Tagging irc users seems t be broke
09:16:53alfabetacain[m]Though it might be difficult to distinguish the weird multiple \n's behavior from the user actually pressing enter twice
09:17:11alfabetacain[m]I don't really know the use case, so it is hard to say
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09:20:19FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> This kind of thing shouldn't be accepting empty chars anyway
09:20:39FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Just filtering out /n should do the trick
09:20:42FromDiscord<iWonderAboutTuatara> Put the thing in a while block
09:25:33FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> @Shucks what version of fidget do you have installed?
09:26:12FromDiscord<Shucks> Just installed it some hours ago with nimble
09:26:43FromDiscord<Shucks> should be 0.4.2 then right
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09:28:09FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> You dont have loadPathAbsolute?
09:28:13FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Check the openglbackend
09:28:18FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> (edit) 'openglbackend' => 'openglbackend.nim'
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09:43:44FromDiscord<Shucks> No I dont got it
09:44:14FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> then do `nimble install fidget@#head` i believe
09:44:24FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> that will install the current master branch
09:44:29FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> I think that's the command
09:45:05FromDiscord<Shucks> Also don't got that one https://github.com/treeform/fidget/blob/master/src/fidget/openglbackend.nim#L412
09:45:08FromDiscord<Shucks> Gonna do it thanks
09:48:29FromDiscord<Shucks> That worked
09:51:48FromDiscord<Shucks> `loadFontAbsolute("Arial", getEnv("WINDIR") & "\\Fonts\\arial.ttf")` Guess thats how it should be
10:00:04FromDiscord<haxscramper> Is it possible to get error from `compiles` check? E.g. `when not compiles(<expr>): <print-last-compilation-error-with-additional-annotations>`
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12:37:41Oddmongeri was reading this: https://hookrace.net/blog/nim-binary-size/
12:38:04Oddmongerbut it makes use of «syscall» which seems nowaday to be a call convention
12:38:16Oddmongerand not a function anymore
12:38:42leorize[m]it's in a package
12:39:46Oddmongeryes i did the «import syscall», but the name has changed, then ?
12:39:46FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> Hello Leorize 👋
12:41:47FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> Oddmonger: make sure you install the syscall package from nimble to be able to import that library
12:41:49leorize[m]!repo syscall
12:41:49leorize[m]looks like matrix goofed up again and didn't pass my msg through
12:41:49leorize[m]!repo syscall
12:41:50disbothttps://github.com/def-/nim-syscall -- 9nim-syscall: 11Raw system calls for Nim 15 18⭐ 3🍴 7& 3 more...
12:41:51disbothttps://github.com/def-/nim-syscall -- 9nim-syscall: 11Raw system calls for Nim 15 18⭐ 3🍴 7& 3 more...
12:42:05Oddmongerah ok it's not shipped with vim
12:42:09Oddmongerok thank you
12:42:09leorize[m]👋 @Avatarfighter
12:56:35FromDiscord<SnokDev> how would i connect a api? lets say its a fact api! how would i get the text? from the api
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13:06:36Zevvsnokdev: be more concrete, what kind of api are you talking about?
13:06:44ZevvC? HTTP?
13:06:58bunganyone familar with mysql protocol ? how it pack prepared query param of float type ?
13:07:26bungam confusing by its document description
13:09:01Zevvclyybber: you fixed the type bug?!
13:13:10FromDiscord<Clyybber> wait
13:13:12FromDiscord<Clyybber> which one
13:13:27FromDiscord<Clyybber> I was just talking about finishing the one branch
13:13:35FromDiscord<Clyybber> the one you were using
13:13:44FromDiscord<Clyybber> nothing new
13:19:33FromDiscord<SnokDev> https://some-random-api.ml/img/panda
13:19:35FromDiscord<SnokDev> that api
13:20:01FromDiscord<SnokDev> but i wana see how to make text stuff first
13:25:36alehander92awesome panda
13:30:20Zevvo I thought I saw you mentioning something about the type bug being fixed
13:31:24Zevvsnokdev: so you want to fetch that url, decode the json and then do something with it?
13:31:41FromDiscord<SnokDev> yeah
13:32:10Zevvstart with httpclient, if you don't need async it's just one call
13:32:15Zevvhttps://nim-lang.org/docs/httpclient.html
13:32:43Zevvthen you need the json module, and do a "parseJson" on your doc
13:32:54Zevvhttps://nim-lang.org/docs/json.html
13:33:04FromDiscord<SnokDev> ty
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13:43:21FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: the "typed" bug
13:43:48FromDiscord<SnokDev> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2ux8
13:43:55FromDiscord<SnokDev> cuz that gives an error
13:46:52Zevvclybber yeah that one :)
13:46:56FromDiscord<SnokDev> sorry if im dumb
13:47:15FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: ping
13:48:29FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> @SnokDev I can help you in a second I'm making an example with comment
13:48:35Zevvskokdev: what is your problem exactly?
13:48:45Zevvyour paste is incoherent and can't work like this
13:48:51Zevvwhat *did* you try, and what problem do you see/
13:51:53FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> Zevv: SnokDev's paste is what they tried
13:53:16Zevvthat post is incomplete
13:54:32FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> That is true but I assume they pasted the relevant parts to their issue
13:55:14Zevvproblem is, i can say "no, not like this"
13:55:53Zevvbecause it's out of order, has missing parts, etc. If I compile I get an error because "so like this?" does not compile :)
13:56:08FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> Ah I see what you mean now
13:56:11ZevvI can whip up the complete code, but that might not help someone learn how to do it
13:56:44FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> Yeah, I try to layer my example code with comments that explain why it works the way it does
13:57:40ZevvI just dump http://ix.io/2uxc and say "have fun"
13:58:06FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> lmao
13:59:35FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> I'm ngl I'm a bit dumbfounded as to why the httpclient library doesn't come with a proc that just fetches content without the user needing to allocate an httpclient
13:59:40FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> any ideas?
13:59:57FromDiscord<SnokDev> i am still conmfused about the "irc" thing
14:00:05FromDiscord<SnokDev> am i talking to robots?
14:00:11FromDiscord<Clyybber> lol no
14:00:12Zevvnot that I'm aware of
14:00:29FromDiscord<Clyybber> @SnokDev its a bridge, between discord and irc
14:00:37FromDiscord<Clyybber> irc stands for internet relay chat
14:00:42FromDiscord<SnokDev> ah
14:00:56FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> This channel is bridged between multiple chatting services, when you see a name and a word wrapped in square brackets, the thing in the square brackets indicates the service they are using is
14:01:07FromDiscord<SnokDev> oki
14:16:17bungprotobuf-nim, how to directly get the message buffer data ?
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14:53:21FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> Is there any way to compare to strings ignoring their case than ` if str1.toLowerAscii() == str2.toLowerAscii(): `
14:53:33FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> (edit) 'Is there any way to compare to strings ignoring their case ... than' => 'Is there any way to compare to strings ignoring their caseother'
14:54:18FromDiscord<lqdev> https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#cmpIgnoreCase%2Cstring%2Cstring
14:54:29FromDiscord<lqdev> @XxDiCaprioxX ↑
14:55:13FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> Okay good
14:55:29FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> Thanks
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15:11:30ZevvAvatarfighter: my bet is that using a separate client encourages reuse - http keepalive
15:21:05FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> Okay so: I make a discord bot but the question is unspecific:↵How can I make my bit react only if the call is at the beginning of the message? So ".or sicilian" should work while "fillertexttexthello .or sicilian" should not
15:21:13FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> (edit) 'bit' => 'bot'
15:22:12FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> Okay I have it
15:22:17FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> It is .startsWith
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15:25:53FromDiscord<Hearthstone> The call?
15:28:11FromDiscord<XxDiCaprioxX> if message.startsWith(call)
15:29:05Zevvdisruptek: given that we can infer a cpsMagic call by pragma, we can now also infer a .cps. proc, so we should now be able to do a top level cps: block in a file and only transform cps procs, no need to pragma the individual procs
15:32:37FromDiscord<Clyybber> huh nice
15:37:27disruptekthe pragma gets put there by .cps. or .cpsMagic.
15:37:41disruptekyou're only .cpsCall. if we've rewritten you.
15:42:19disruptekwe need cpsCall to include the root continuation type, too.
15:42:55disrupteki mean, we can infer it, but it has to be part of the isCpsCall machinery to determine if we can process it.
15:58:11Zevvhmm
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16:12:14FromDiscord<kodkuce> why do i have to write if not 22 in 0..2 insted if 22 not in 0.22, last one sounds better 🙂
16:12:42disruptektry `notin`. you'll love it.
16:12:42FromDiscord<kodkuce> oh is there notin kayword
16:12:50FromDiscord<kodkuce> 🙂
16:30:49FromDiscord<dk> akshually, `not 22 in 0..2` doesn't even compile irrc (`not (22 in 0..2)` does)
16:37:31shashlick@Yardanico - that arc bug you worked on in my plugins repo, did we ever get a bug report out of it?
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16:55:11disruptekdisruptek is complicated.
16:56:55Zevvnah its not *that* bad
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16:59:35Zevvikn
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17:00:00Zevvi know quite some more people more complicated than disruptek
17:04:27hnOsmium0001wish it was `!in` instead of `notin`
17:07:40disruptekdisruptek is broke.
17:07:57alehander92disruptek be ok
17:08:02alehander92~disruptek
17:08:03disbotdisruptek: 11a sexy fella with magic hands.
17:08:03disbotdisruptek: 11don't listen to him
17:08:03disbotdisruptek: 11an unsafe nil deref
17:08:26alehander92ah wait i just realized broke != broken
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17:26:49shashlickhas anyone used --gc:arc across dll boundaries?
17:43:20FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> yes
17:44:02shashlickhey Z
17:44:18FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> Hey!
17:44:49FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> I'm using that `cr` library (written in C) for plugins - but it's been working with `--gc:arc` without issues
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17:46:14shashlicki'm having segfaults if the dll manipulates a var that's owned by the main exe
17:46:32shashlickwhen the exe gets back control and wants to clean up
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17:53:33disrupteknot surprising, right?
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18:07:48shashlickhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15202
18:07:51disbot➥ --gc:arc segfaults if dll modifies object owned by main executable ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uy8
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18:10:16Zevvstill disruptek, we know that anything calling a cpsMagic must be a cps, so we dont need to pass the continuation type to the cps macro
18:10:26Zevvall not that important, but it mig
18:10:31Zevvht make things easier
18:10:37Zevvfor the user, that is
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18:11:24Zevvdid ar4q already tell us how to do compiler plugins then?
18:11:37Zevvbecause I can't seem to find much about that
18:11:54disruptekno, i think it's just something he says to make people go away.
18:14:01Zevvfair enough.
18:14:18disruptekyou're suggesting that we infer the continuation type from the first cpsCall we find in a .cps.? what if there is more than one?
18:14:34Zevvmake sure they match, is something we needto do anyway probably
18:15:00Zevvand if there are no cps calls, its not a cpsBlock, so its not a cps proc and we dont transform
18:15:08disrupteksounds almost sensible.
18:15:10Zevvthat prepares the road to go global cps
18:15:14Zevvand only do what needs to be done
18:15:24FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> why does the compiler use proc {.noSideEffects.} instead of func?
18:15:33Zevvold probably
18:15:49Zevvi've learned not to look at the compiler for good nim code
18:16:04FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> new code still does, in fact, there is no func in the whole compiler i think
18:16:18Zevvthats funny.
18:16:56Zevvi think arac is currently working on making funcs more func, so maybe when that is done would be a good time to go use that in the compiler
18:17:40Zevvwe can script that, just one by one change procs into funcs, and if it compiles, goto 10, if not, roll back and try another
18:17:54Zevvafter a day or so the whole codebase is functionized
18:19:37disrupteki'm having trouble recompiling code in dust, so, i dunno, seems like we need more funcs. 🙄
18:20:25Zevvneed more cowbell
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18:49:16disrupteki'm starting to think it'd be easier to do this in a fucking shell script.
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18:50:35Zectbumodisruptek: I came in a bit late. What are you attempting to do?
18:52:59disrupteki'm trying to write a program that rewrites a program repeatedly and produces a smaller program that, nonetheless, yields the same semantic errors.
18:53:36disruptekso it involves rewriting the ast of the program during compilation; my program embeds the compiler.
18:54:48disruptekthere are numerous problems with my approach.
18:54:52Zevvwhois zectbumo
18:55:07disruptek~zectbumo
18:55:08disbotno footnotes for `zectbumo`. 🙁
18:55:18disruptek~zevv
18:55:19disbotzevv: 11lazy and so is he. -- disruptek
18:55:27disruptekhmm.
18:56:10Zevvand proud of it
18:56:40FromDiscord<Varriount> disruptek: Why not use a fuzzer that supports corpus minimization?
18:58:05Zectbumohow do I add footnotes?
18:58:11Zevvyeah man minimize your corpus
18:58:15disruptek~footnotes
18:58:16disbotno footnotes for `footnotes`. 🙁
18:58:18disruptek~footnote
18:58:18disbotfootnote: 11added
18:58:23disruptekdafuq
18:58:25disruptek~help
18:58:31disruptekoh yeah, do that.
18:58:38Zectbumo~help
18:59:33livcdhey ya'll
18:59:34disruptekthe reason i solve problems the way i do is because my knowledge is limited and i'm afraid to learn anything.
18:59:36livcdhow is it going?
18:59:44disruptekaight, how are you?
19:00:01livcdrecovering from COVID
19:00:07disrupteknice.
19:00:18Zevvso, how was it for you then
19:00:45livcdterrible.
19:00:54livcdWorst "flu" i ever had
19:01:07disruptekaren't you young?
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19:01:25livcdare not you young yourself?
19:01:35disruptekonly relative to zevv.
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19:02:07Zevvyou know what. you're now personally the closest person I know that has had covid
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19:02:27disrupteklivcd: you're in the UK, right?
19:02:34livcdI am in Austria
19:02:40disruptekoh wow.
19:02:44Zevvso, you almost ok now, or still down?
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19:03:06livcdfeeling very weak
19:04:02livcdSo I dont even know how I got it.
19:04:24Zevvdidn't lick elevator buttons I assume
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19:05:06livcdso what's new? Did disruptek finish his IC and was Nim acquired by Tencent?
19:05:26ZevvIC is gathering Dust. Arac was on holidays so nothing happened at all.
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19:08:13disruptekdisruptek is a loser.
19:08:17disruptekfuck that guy.
19:08:26Zevvashes to ashes
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19:10:09livcdI am happy I was able to order hoegaarden for 50c. Dont judge me :)
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19:11:18Zevvno beer for you dude, get better first
19:12:42FromDiscord<lqdev> Araq: how'd your VM removal experiments go?
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19:13:05livcdZevv: well i tested negative
19:13:21FromDiscord<Varriount> Araq is trying to remove the VM? How?
19:13:27Zevvoh so it was just a flu then :/
19:13:45livcdZevv: i mean i tested negative after recovering
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19:13:53ZevvVarriount: I guess by doing "select all" and then hit "del"
19:14:05Zevvlivcd: ah ok
19:14:26ZevvVarrriount: I believe the c compiler will be called twice
19:14:47Zevvor something like that
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19:16:46FromDiscord<Rebel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2uyx
19:16:58FromDiscord<Rebel> Is the OS checking done at runtime or compile time?
19:17:33Zevvruntime if you use "if"
19:18:29Zevvbut the defines are generated at compile time
19:22:02FromDiscord<Rebel> ok thanks for the quick response I am trying to make my final binary as small as possible so will separate it out and just use compiler flags to target specific OS
19:22:51Zevvif you use `when` instead of `if`, the `false` paths will not generate code
19:23:06Zevv`when` is the compile time variant of `if`, it's like `#ifdef` in C
19:30:29FromDiscord<Rebel> ohhh awesome
19:30:41FromDiscord<Rebel> much better
19:41:07Zevv
19:41:08Zevv.
19:41:15Zevvgood
19:49:37disruptekthis just doesn't make any sense.
19:49:54Zevvyou're not doing life again, are you
20:06:57disrupteki often wish i wasn't.
20:17:49FromGitter<deech> I just learned about the `wrapnils` module which is pretty neat. Are there any plans for (or interest in) some equivalent which returns `None` instead of `default(T)`?
20:29:28FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> The point of wrapnils seems to be colescing nils, so it'd seem weird to return options
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20:41:33Zevvwell, it kind of makes sense to be able to find out that a.b.c.d == None instead of 0 without having to check for a, b and c not being nil
20:41:36FromGitter<deech> Well, given eg. `?.x.y.z` I could use a version of `?` that short-circuited to a `None` of type `Option[(type z)]`.
20:41:49FromGitter<deech> What Zevv said. :)
20:41:55Zevvwhat deech said
20:42:02ZevvI say yay
20:42:58Zevvalso because nim by defauld doesn't allow iffing on refs, you need to explicit do the `!= nil` thing every time
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20:52:25disrupteksonuvabitch
20:56:29disruptekwhy does he hate me so?
20:56:30disruptekwhy?
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21:04:35FromDiscord<Varriount> Zevv: You mean, `if refValue:`?
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21:09:23disruptekthe whole compilation process is nothing but a side-effect.
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22:26:02FromDiscord<dk> > I just learned about the `wrapnils` module which is pretty neat. Are there any plans for (or interest in) some equivalent which returns `None` instead of `default(T)`?↵@deech[Gitter]#0000 ↵Well, you can copy wrapnils's code and replace `default(T)` with `none(T)` there
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22:51:51FromDiscord<Rika> https://github.com/PMunch/nim-optionsutils
22:52:11disruptekwhat the hell does that have to do with balls?
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23:30:05FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> @Rika why'd you have to show me that, it made me write a macro 😛 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/745424304920985650/unknown.png
23:31:16FromDiscord<Elegant Beef> Now the question is does Pmunch want something like that in his utils 😄
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