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| 01:02:18 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/khiuBurT |
| 01:02:32 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/kalrlMBZ |
| 01:02:33 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/tEbrupzP |
| 01:02:33 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/IApBRkjb |
| 01:07:53 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> > has its own proprietary syntax as well ? |
| 01:10:01 | FromDiscord | <Savant> ? |
| 01:10:14 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> What do you mean it has a proprietary syntax |
| 01:10:22 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sorry |
| 01:10:51 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i'd like to use the same "syntax" in compile time as i would at runtime |
| 01:10:51 | FromDiscord | <Savant> is that silly? |
| 01:10:53 | FromDiscord | <Savant> things like NimNode |
| 01:10:54 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Yes |
| 01:10:56 | FromDiscord | <Savant> parseStmt |
| 01:10:57 | FromDiscord | <Savant> etc |
| 01:11:02 | FromDiscord | <Savant> how's that |
| 01:11:05 | FromDiscord | <Savant> seems like it would be pretty sweet to me |
| 01:11:50 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Nim is a statically compiled language, which means the runtime would have to have a VM embedded into it to be able to parse and interpret the code |
| 01:12:45 | FromDiscord | <Savant> forgive my ignorance but that seems like the reasoning for why it does not already exist |
| 01:12:51 | FromDiscord | <Savant> naturally |
| 01:13:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Right, which is why it's silly |
| 01:13:17 | FromDiscord | <Savant> hm |
| 01:13:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Having a language that is statically compiled, but also can do things at runtime is incompatible imo |
| 01:14:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> If you can do `var a = someMacro()` and `someMacro` is evaluated at runtime you now have `a` which is not static |
| 01:16:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VfHhhJko |
| 01:20:31 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Actually I misinterpreted what you meant |
| 01:20:40 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> you can use the nimscript api and use the same syntax just fine |
| 01:20:46 | FromDiscord | <Savant> bruh |
| 01:20:47 | FromDiscord | <Savant> really |
| 01:20:58 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well yea nimscript is a language |
| 01:21:01 | FromDiscord | <Savant> yea i don't want execution / vm stuff |
| 01:21:37 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i just want my parsing logic to be the same in a compile time and runtime |
| 01:21:40 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So then write code that works at CT and runtime |
| 01:22:57 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Unlike other languages with CTE, Nim's CT doesn't require any annotations to use a procedure written |
| 01:27:01 | FromDiscord | <Savant> `system/nimscript` provides the same ast exports as `macros`? |
| 01:27:01 | FromDiscord | <Savant> well that's simply what i'd like |
| 01:27:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> No |
| 01:27:10 | FromDiscord | <Savant> without the hubba bubba about VM junk |
| 01:27:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well that's not how this works, you have to embed the VM |
| 01:27:15 | FromDiscord | <Savant> hm |
| 01:27:19 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i gotcha |
| 01:27:21 | FromDiscord | <Savant> but if we remove execution |
| 01:27:24 | FromDiscord | <Savant> doesn't it sorta work like dat |
| 01:27:26 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Stop using `parseStmt` for 'parsing' |
| 01:27:40 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can hook up the nim parser and use that alone if you want |
| 01:28:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I have no example of that, but atlas I believe does it |
| 01:29:08 | FromDiscord | <Savant> very new to nim coming from js |
| 01:29:13 | FromDiscord | <Savant> this↵https://raw.githubusercontent.com/elcritch/cdecl/refs/heads/main/src/cdecl/compiler/macros2.nim |
| 01:29:14 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i'll look into this |
| 01:29:15 | FromDiscord | <Savant> really seems exactly what i want |
| 01:29:17 | FromDiscord | <Savant> thanks |
| 01:29:23 | FromDiscord | <Savant> with even like `parseStmt` overwrittetn |
| 01:29:24 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Why are you using parsestmt anyway? |
| 01:29:43 | FromDiscord | <Savant> but... i get issues i think related to new versions of nim/libs |
| 01:31:06 | FromDiscord | <Savant> to load some code into a nimnode stmt |
| 01:31:07 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So you're using it to piggy back on the Nim parser instead of writing your own? |
| 01:31:32 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i guess if thats how it works |
| 01:32:18 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well what do you do with the node after? |
| 01:32:35 | FromDiscord | <Savant> currently im just doing some basic stuff like looping its children / validating the code thereafter - extracting some information for whatever purposes i may have |
| 01:33:20 | FromDiscord | <Savant> later it'll include transformation |
| 01:33:25 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Is this for a file format, compilation, or something else? |
| 01:33:32 | FromDiscord | <Savant> file format |
| 01:33:38 | FromDiscord | <Savant> trying to do js `{}` |
| 01:33:39 | FromDiscord | <Savant> mixed with `:` |
| 01:34:09 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So yes this is a poor usage of the parser |
| 01:34:14 | FromDiscord | <Savant> haha |
| 01:34:15 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Writing a parser from scratch to match a spec will make your life so much easier |
| 01:34:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> But it's a nice shortcut to working code |
| 01:34:20 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Parsers are not hard to write |
| 01:35:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Also by `js` do you mean json or javascript |
| 01:35:57 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Cause one is compilation the other is a fileformat in my definition |
| 01:36:05 | FromDiscord | <Savant> sorry i meant like i want `{}` identation mixed in with the python `:` |
| 01:36:07 | FromDiscord | <Savant> as seen in "js" |
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| 01:38:51 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i made it poorly happen with some regex like stuff -\>↵created new file "compiler" which "transpiles" at runtime then calls normal nim command with args passed through |
| 01:38:58 | FromDiscord | <Savant> i want to have- like a header or something, where i could denote something |
| 01:38:59 | FromDiscord | <Savant> this all works really groovy for how shitty i am |
| 01:39:02 | FromDiscord | <Savant> but the problem now became |
| 01:39:06 | FromDiscord | <Savant> and i want to extract that bit of info at runtime |
| 01:39:27 | FromDiscord | <Savant> but i want to use the same funcs |
| 01:39:32 | FromDiscord | <Savant> bc later my utility will grow large |
| 01:40:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Well there's your problem, regex is hardly a solution to this problem 😄 |
| 01:40:30 | FromDiscord | <Savant> be kinda messy having two systems even tho the solution is bridging two systems |
| 01:40:38 | FromDiscord | <Savant> YEA haha i understand that part of it |
| 01:40:42 | FromDiscord | <Savant> BUT it works for me now |
| 01:40:46 | FromDiscord | <Savant> what could you tell me abt this? |
| 01:40:56 | FromDiscord | <Savant> isn't this sorta like regex with organization |
| 01:41:04 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> No |
| 01:42:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I mean design a requirement for the language, then write a parser that extracts it to an AST then process it how you want |
| 01:42:21 | FromDiscord | <Savant> do you have any ref on that process of "parsing to AST" |
| 01:42:29 | FromDiscord | <Savant> thats what i meant sorry |
| 01:42:56 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> crafting interpreters |
| 01:43:09 | FromDiscord | <Savant> awesome thanks |
| 01:45:23 | FromDiscord | <Savant> will look into this |
| 01:47:14 | FromDiscord | <Savant> if im not mistaken this is that |
| 01:47:17 | FromDiscord | <Savant> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/elcritch/cdecl/refs/heads/main/src/cdecl/compiler/macros2.nim |
| 01:47:25 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Correct |
| 01:47:30 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> But that's still a bad idea to rely on |
| 01:47:37 | FromDiscord | <Savant> yeah yeah yeah |
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| 02:00:32 | FromDiscord | <Savant> but then also i couldnt use the same utility for compile time |
| 02:01:31 | FromDiscord | <Savant> cheeky cheeky ok |
| 02:01:34 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Correct, time to write a parser |
| 02:01:35 | FromDiscord | <Savant> [Edit](https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1296654115081945108): but then also i couldnt use the same utility for compile time? |
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