<< 18-11-2013 >>
00:07:25filwitAraq: are you still around?
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00:07:52filwitcan Nimrod be used with VC++?
00:08:07filwitMS VC++ **
00:10:19OrionPKhttps://github.com/Araq/Nimrod
00:10:24OrionPKgcc 3.x or later recommended. Other alternatives which may work are: clang, Visual C++, Intel's C++ compiler
00:11:01dom96Try it and see.
00:11:32dom96It should work but we don't test it actively, unless Araq does secretly and doesn't tell me.
00:12:29filwitdom96: i don't know how to get the compiler (on windows) to switch... command line option?
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00:12:37filwiti couldn't find it in the docs
00:14:08OrionPKits in a cfg file in ur nimrod folder
00:14:32filwitOrionPK: k, thanks, i'll look
00:16:52dom96I think you can also do it on the cmd line: --cc:vc++ or something, I don't know the compiler's name
00:17:34filwitokay
00:17:38filwiti thought you could do that
00:22:10dom96'night
00:22:14familiar125night
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03:02:58zezba9000How do I compile a nimrod app on Windows using the VC++ 2013 compiler?
03:03:17zezba9000or just some VC++ compiler instead of GCC... what is the command arg for it?
03:21:01familiar125I swear we just talked about this: p
03:26:06zezba9000I found it... its vcc
03:26:10zezba9000https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/182
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03:28:37fowlfamiliar125, did you figure out how to fix your issue
03:31:01familiar125which issue?
03:31:40fowlthe one from last night
03:31:46fowlwith bacon.nim
03:34:31familiar125that weren't me
03:35:20fowloh i think it was freezerburn
03:35:21fowlmy bad
03:35:28familiar125ja
03:35:36familiar125I'm orionpk
03:35:58fowlwhy you using a new nick
03:36:08fowlare you hiding from someone
03:36:18fowlknock twice if you cant talk
03:37:05familiar125because I'm using my test irc app
03:37:23fowloh neat
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11:48:09BitPuffingooooood morning!
11:48:24Araqdude, it's noon already
11:48:28Araq:P
11:52:38BitPuffin:P
11:52:48BitPuffinyeah I kind of overslept today
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14:58:41BitPuffinstrange
14:58:47BitPuffinthis language does not have booleans
14:58:57BitPuffinints or longs are used for that apparently
14:59:25BitPuffinand by "this language" I don't mean nimrod, so don't freak out :P
15:00:28OrionPKthat would be news indeed
15:01:06BitPuffinOrionPK: what happened to the web irc nick? :P
15:01:34OrionPKthats just what I have configured in my custom IRC app
15:01:50BitPuffinit seems really cool
15:02:02BitPuffinsince you'll be open sourcing it maybe I'll integrate it on my company website
15:02:04BitPuffinfor the community
15:02:15BitPuffinjust so that I have a full nimrod stack :P
15:02:23BitPuffinOrionPK: is it written in nimrod that compiles to js?
15:02:28BitPuffinor how have you made it
15:02:59OrionPKno, nimrod is on the server side, typescript on the front end
15:03:18OrionPKusing source code filters for HTML rendering
15:03:59OrionPKusing jester for routing and serving content
15:04:25OrionPKasyncio hosts jester, irc, and my websocket library
15:04:43OrionPKbut I can't really open source it until a bunch of stuff changes in the std library
15:05:45BitPuffinOrionPK: hmm, so it is a client that runs on a server?
15:06:00OrionPKcorrect
15:06:05BitPuffinhmm
15:06:07BitPuffininteresting
15:06:14BitPuffinwould be cool if it could do either
15:06:22OrionPKhow do you mean?
15:06:29BitPuffinwell maybe then I won't do it, would rather offload the (albeit tiny) work to the client
15:06:41BitPuffinOrionPK: either on a server or self contained as a client locally
15:06:58OrionPKyou mean a website that connects to IRC on its own? :P
15:07:05BitPuffinyeah :P
15:07:22OrionPKnot possible without the IRC server supporting it
15:07:23BitPuffinman someone really needs to step up and fix the dom module
15:07:30OrionPKif IRC could handle websockets, sure
15:07:31OrionPKbut
15:07:32OrionPKit cant
15:07:39BitPuffinI suggest dom96 because it is practically named after him
15:07:55BitPuffinOrionPK: but aren't there pure js clients already?
15:08:01OrionPKno
15:08:08BitPuffinoh
15:08:10BitPuffinhmm
15:08:17BitPuffinwell it would be kind of fun to write an irc server :P
15:08:28OrionPKyou'd have to get people to use it
15:08:33BitPuffinWell
15:08:40BitPuffinI mean if I have my own server for my company
15:08:44BitPuffinand a web based client
15:08:47BitPuffinsolved
15:08:50BitPuffinplus open sauce
15:08:53BitPuffinso other can use it too
15:09:14OrionPKyeah but your client would be useless for all servers except urs
15:09:59BitPuffinOrionPK: sure
15:10:24BitPuffinOrionPK: but since it's open sauce who gives a shit :P
15:10:37BitPuffinservers could be updated to support it, or people could switch to my server
15:11:05BitPuffinb = (a > 9) ? 100 : 200; am I stupid or shouldn't that be 100, the docs here say that it's 200 lol
15:11:10OrionPKirc is a standard iirc
15:11:26BitPuffinOrionPK: Can the standord have extensions?
15:12:06OrionPKno idea
15:12:14BitPuffinstandord lol
15:12:22BitPuffinSTÅNDORRD
15:14:54BitPuffinOrionPK: Could be fun to look at at least, if not then I'll just use whatever you have. Although writing a lightweight irc client in pure nimrod would be kind of awesome
15:15:41OrionPKyou'd need to use a GUI framework
15:15:55OrionPKthis is more useful for me
15:16:03BitPuffinI meant server
15:16:05BitPuffinnot client
15:16:07BitPuffinsorry
15:16:07OrionPKbecause I can leave it connected, it'll log things, then I can check on my phone whenever I want
15:16:28BitPuffinOrionPK: yeah true, that's really nice, it was the first thing that came to mind :)
15:16:52BitPuffinI wonder if weechat can run headless on a server and support connecting to it
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15:22:48OrionPKIm gonna add in desktop notifications too
15:23:21BitPuffinOrionPK: that's possible with web apis?
15:25:01BitPuffinOrionPK: or does it go via the back end?
15:26:04OrionPKit's possible, but only some browsers support it
15:26:34BitPuffinI guess it is relatively new then
15:27:01OrionPKhttp://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/
15:27:22OrionPKhttp://developer.chrome.com/extensions/desktop_notifications.html
15:28:24BitPuffinOrionPK: is it in ff?
15:30:44OrionPKdoub tit
15:31:27BitPuffinreally? hmm
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15:43:11OrionPKbitpuffin right now it's tuned for chrome, but I'll add in some tweaks before release to get it working in FF and IE
15:43:31BitPuffinOrionPK: sweet
15:44:26BitPuffinI guess I might go very custom stuff. I kind of want to set it up so that if you have an account on my site you have an account on my irc server, and while you are at the site you are automatically connected to irc and can enter rooms etc and privately chat
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15:50:28OrionPKbitpuffin interesting, why even use IRC then?
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19:26:28*BitPuffin is learning about signal processing
19:30:26VarriountBitPuffin, any kind of signal in particular?
19:31:17fowlBitPuffin, fowltek/musings/ircd
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21:06:48Araqgradha: if you capture 3 groups and provide 2 elements, it's no wonder you get an out of bounds exception, right?
21:07:26gradhaAraq: am I capturing three groups?
21:07:45AraqI think so you have 3 (((
21:08:34OrionPKactually
21:08:39OrionPKthe outer should count as a group
21:08:53OrionPK4 groups
21:09:07gradhaI was expecting the OR to count as a single capture
21:09:07OrionPKgroup 0 should be the whole match
21:10:05gradhamaybe there is another way to group a sequence of characters without capturing?
21:10:35OrionPKjust |
21:10:40OrionPKwith no () around it
21:10:44OrionPKaround each side
21:11:01gradhaAraq: on the other hand, why does it work if the input is reversed? the number of captures should be the same, shouldn't it?
21:13:42Araqno idea
21:13:54Araqhaven't looked that much at it :P
21:14:23Araqjust give it 10 elements and see what they contain
21:14:51gradhathe captured results seem all borked in both cases, or at least I have no idea why they return that
21:15:17gradhaIn the first case (a) entries 0 and 1 are filled with a
21:15:32gradhain the second case (beee) entries 0 and 2 are filled with beee, entry 1 with the empty string
21:15:56OrionPKgradha
21:16:02gradhaOrionPK
21:16:02OrionPKI think your start parameter is wrong
21:16:10OrionPKlet crash = test.find(regex, found)
21:16:43OrionPKstart = found
21:17:27gradhaOrionPK: I'm invoking the other method which accepts a matches openarray
21:17:52OrionPKoh my bad
21:18:04OrionPKstart is 0, you're right
21:18:14gradhaI'll at least update the issue to have 3 and dump the results, which seem weird
21:19:32OrionPKworks with an array
21:19:32OrionPKnot a seq
21:19:37OrionPKvar found: array[0..2, string]
21:19:45OrionPKwell
21:19:48OrionPKthats size 3 I guess
21:20:22OrionPKguess i need more coffee
21:20:34gradhaOrionPK: or alcohol, I just had some
21:20:38OrionPK3 seems right
21:23:53OrionPKactually 4 seems right
21:23:59OrionPKfindall returns 4 results
21:24:14BitPuffinVarriount: well it's intended to be audio signals
21:24:26BitPuffinVarriount: but I'm using the OCW course which is more or less general purpose
21:24:37BitPuffinfowl: hmm?
21:24:56BitPuffinbinding or what?
21:24:58fowlBitPuffin, i started an ircd, you can finish it :D
21:25:00gradhaHmm... I think I begin to understand the logic of found matches
21:25:22BitPuffinfowl: ah so it's not a binding to ircd?
21:25:40fowlno
21:25:47BitPuffinI see cool
21:25:48fowlis there really a project called ircd?
21:26:03BitPuffinwell maybe, just that you have such a monolithic repo :P
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21:26:08fowlthats like writing a web browser and calling it browser
21:26:12BitPuffinI thinkk
21:26:18BitPuffinmaybe not
21:26:20BitPuffinhaha
21:26:31BitPuffinhmm maybe there isn't
21:26:50OrionPKgradha i think re lib in nimrod kinda sucks
21:27:16fowlBitPuffin, i have that huge repo because i was tired of having new repositories for each wrapper/library
21:27:41fowlso i'd just have one mega repo that focused on game-dev things
21:28:09BitPuffinfowl: makes it kind of inconvenient when certain things might require a separate repo
21:28:14BitPuffinbecause it's bigger etc
21:28:16BitPuffinbut yeah
21:28:19BitPuffinI get why you'd wanna do that :P
21:28:40BitPuffinit's pretty annoying to grab all your projects when you format your computer etc
21:29:18AraqOrionPK: excuse me?! how come it sucks?
21:29:34OrionPKno named groups for one thing
21:29:48fowlBitPuffin, which ones do you think need their own repo?
21:29:49OrionPKdunno about features like non-capturing groups, negative look behinds, etc
21:30:20OrionPKI had issues the other day getting group 0, think I had to wrap it in an extra ()
21:30:23OrionPKand use $1
21:30:30Araqyeah well
21:30:36BitPuffinfowl: not that I have scanned for everything but SDL2 would be an example
21:30:43AraqI tried to improve the common stuff ...
21:31:10fowlBitPuffin, i'm going to put sdl2 in with sdl , eventually
21:31:12fowlmaybe today
21:31:26OrionPKIs there a decent regex lib that could actually be ported or wrapped without requiring pcre.dll?
21:31:35AraqI still think my way makes more sense :P
21:32:02BitPuffinfowl: sounds like a sound idea :P
21:32:15OrionPKyour way?
21:32:24AraqreExtended is a much saner default
21:32:28gradhaI updated https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/679, certainly that was a PEBKAC but the outcome is not exactly right either
21:32:42Araqand explict () around the whole expression make more sense too
21:33:03BitPuffinfowl: hmm I guess the vector stuff doesn't matter as I already have linagl in babel which focuses hard on not only vectors and matrices but other useful 3d math stuff
21:33:19OrionPKif you say so...
21:33:23BitPuffinode would be nice to be in its own lib
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21:33:43OrionPKbut thats personal preference
21:33:50BitPuffinand assimp
21:33:58fowli think ode should be bundled with chipmunk and bullet
21:33:58OrionPKif you put in an explicit () it should be group 1
21:34:02BitPuffinand devil
21:34:07fowl:p
21:34:12OrionPKfor consistency's sake
21:34:21BitPuffinh3d
21:34:38BitPuffinpossibly nim3d, not sure
21:34:43BitPuffinand the gl helpers
21:35:40gradhaOrionPK: if you want to you could try wrapping http://userguide.icu-project.org/strings/regexp, I think ICU is the alternative to PCRE
21:35:57BitPuffinand ircd of course
21:36:21BitPuffinfowl: sure a physics engines package isn't a terrible idea. I prefer them separate but it wouldn't be horrible to bundle them :P
21:36:28BitPuffinjust that you usually only use one of them anyway
21:36:37BitPuffinbut I mean it doesn't really take up much disk space
21:36:50BitPuffin(neither does fowltek but it's very multi purpose)
21:36:54OrionPKit'd be preferable to just emit a bunch of C as a lazy wrapper than require a dll imo
21:37:22OrionPKor I guess a "lazy port"
21:37:40OrionPKwith a thin wrapper around that
21:38:40OrionPKgradha which standard does ICU use?
21:38:55gradhaOrionPK: likely one of the twelve available (aka: no idea)
21:39:39BitPuffinOrionPK: you mean reimplementing in nimrod?
21:40:09OrionPKI mean emit """ bunch of c code here """" in a .nim file, then include that in a thin wrapper
21:41:10OrionPKit's still impure, but no external library dependency, right?
21:41:53BitPuffinoh you mean sort of "statically link" it
21:42:05BitPuffinI dunno that's kind of maintainance hell
21:42:25OrionPKwhy would you maintain it
21:42:46OrionPKit's a 3rd party library's code, you would maintain your wrapper of it
21:44:09fowlOrionPK, you dont need to emit any c to statically link
21:44:34OrionPKnot talking about static linking
21:44:53OrionPKim talking about not using any lib/so/dll
21:45:03fowlso.. porting?
21:45:08OrionPK{.emit: "include <somelibrary.c>".}
21:45:48fowlthen you have to build the whole project every time
21:46:04OrionPKevery time what?
21:46:13fowlevery time you compile your project that uses regexes
21:46:33OrionPKwhy is that?
21:47:09OrionPKsomelibrary.c will still generate an object file
21:47:10fowlbecause it has to be compiled?
21:47:45fowlalso you have to tell the compiler where these .c files are, which is only going to be true for you
21:47:52OrionPKno
21:47:59OrionPKthe .nim and the .c file are together in your library
21:48:23fowlwell try it and see if you can do it
21:48:30OrionPKI've done something similar
21:48:40OrionPKexcept I just emitted the entire contents of the c file, rather than an include
21:49:48OrionPKhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/417554/kissdb.nim
21:50:14gradhaOrionPK: you could use .compile. like https://github.com/gradha/epak/blob/master/nimrod/nimepak.nim#L13
21:50:26OrionPKgradha that's probably better :)
21:50:28OrionPKthanks for that
21:50:44fowl{.emit: slurp(file).}
21:51:03OrionPKyeah I dont know these obscure pragmas very well
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21:51:44OrionPKthats exactly what Im talking about though, fowl gradha
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21:52:12fowlgradha, btw if you have a field like hndl* {.importc: "hndl".}: cint you only need {.importc.}
21:53:48gradhafowl: I don't remember doing that myself, that should be c2nim
21:54:17gradhaTBH I don't remember doing anything with that repo at all…
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21:59:27OrionPKmust have been a lot more alcohol
21:59:39gradhayep, good night, have to watch some porn
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22:06:02BitPuffinexactly, that the .c and .nim is in the same is the reason I think it's maintainance hell
22:06:17BitPuffinif a new version comes out with bug and security fixes you need to update the source
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22:06:56dom96I like how honest gradha is
22:15:10AraqBitPuffin: yeah but chances are also 1) it introduces new bugs and security issues
22:15:57Araq2) the issues don't affect you because you don't use "obsure feature" in the first place
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22:37:27OrionPKAraq is there a c2nim directive to skip function bodies and do {.nodecl} ?
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22:38:27BitPuffinAraq: Well okay 1) it might but those can be fixed in future updates which you have to manually add once again, 2) maybe not you, but other people using your wrapper might run in to them
22:38:38BitPuffinsomeone else is already doing the job of updating packages etc
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22:38:51BitPuffinwhy would you take that upon yourself to do
22:38:55BitPuffinyeah I can see the advantages
22:39:00BitPuffinbut I don't really know
22:39:12BitPuffinI think it's better to just depend on a library
22:40:14OrionPKoops you dont have libgio-2.0-0.dll
22:41:04OrionPKor oops, you dont have openssl.dll
22:41:29BitPuffinso grab them
22:42:23BitPuffinOrionPK: why not at compile time download them and compile them, that way you'll always have the latest, ofc it shouldn't download each time you compile
22:42:50OrionPKthat would be silly
22:42:59BitPuffinwhy?
22:43:03OrionPKyou dont know if something has changed that the library you're using doesnt support
22:43:14OrionPKyou want to use the version the library or app was built against
22:44:23BitPuffinwell okay then download a specific version then, at least it will be less maintainence hell if you can just update an url
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23:53:20Varriountdom96, ever thought of using libgit2 for nimbuild?
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