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| 00:25:11 | desophos | or a way to import only a type plus its methods (the procs which take that type as their first argument) |
| 00:25:19 | desophos | that would be cool |
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| 01:07:39 | desophos | it sure is quiet here |
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| 01:39:00 | gmpreussner_ | hey desophos, just hang in there... people will respond later |
| 01:41:42 | gmpreussner_ | desophos: this might help with the workings of import: http://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#modules-import-statement |
| 01:43:20 | desophos | yeah gmpreussner_ i read that; i understand that there are alternatives, i was just commenting on the default import |
| 01:50:40 | gmpreussner_ | you can fully qualify exported symbols, but it's not required |
| 01:50:47 | gmpreussner_ | only if there is an ambiguity |
| 01:51:01 | gmpreussner_ | i.e. when you import 'foo' from two different modules |
| 01:52:09 | desophos | i think importing names as unqualified is confusing; in python it's `from mod import *` which is explicit and discouraged |
| 01:58:58 | gmpreussner_ | i haven't used python, but i guess it depends on what you're used to |
| 01:59:41 | desophos | i think that it's important to know where symbols come from |
| 02:00:22 | gmpreussner_ | i wouldn't want to qualify all the time (my main background is C++ and C#) |
| 02:00:35 | desophos | if you're importing five different modules, why would you want your global namespace filled with unqualified symbols? for convenience? what happens when you forget where some proc is from and have to look through every single one of your imports? |
| 02:01:04 | gmpreussner_ | you cannot use unqualified symbols if there are ambiguities |
| 02:01:18 | gmpreussner_ | if you import the same symbol twice, you MUST qualify |
| 02:01:38 | gmpreussner_ | i think the expectation is that this will rarely happen |
| 02:02:21 | gmpreussner_ | it could be more likely if you're using third party packages that are not part of your ecosystem |
| 02:02:48 | gmpreussner_ | but even then you'd most likely encapsulate and hide away those specifics before they leak into your main code base |
| 02:03:58 | gmpreussner_ | i'm probably not the best person to ask though. i'm used to code bases where third-party dependencies and platform specifics are abstracted away |
| 02:04:52 | gmpreussner_ | we also chose quite specific names for everything, so we don't even need namespaces |
| 02:04:59 | gmpreussner_ | for better or worse :) |
| 02:05:32 | gmpreussner_ | even in C#, which is namespace heavy, you don't need to fully qualify though |
| 02:05:40 | gmpreussner_ | it makes the code very noisy and adds little |
| 02:08:16 | cazov | right but the point desophos is making is that it may not be easy to determine the origin of unqualified names _so_ a `better default` would be similar to how python does imports, where the names from `import some_module` are referred to like `some_module.some_name` and if you _don't_ want to refer to the fully qualified name then you should have to use a secondary form of import |
| 02:08:39 | desophos | right cazov |
| 02:09:00 | cazov | instead, with nim, if you want to require to fully qualify your names then you need to do like `from some_module import nil` or whatever it is which is weird and confusing |
| 02:09:06 | desophos | yep |
| 02:09:31 | cazov | the argument could be made that if you're worried about not knowing where names come from then you fully qualify everything as you're writing the code |
| 02:09:45 | desophos | that's what i'm doing but it's a huge pain |
| 02:10:10 | cazov | yeah, since you don't have the compiler to complain to you about that unless you use the confusing import syntax |
| 02:10:30 | desophos | because it means you can't write `an_obj.a_proc` if both an_obj and a_proc are defined in another module |
| 02:10:50 | desophos | i mean if a_proc is |
| 02:11:00 | cazov | also that |
| 02:11:10 | desophos | you have to write `other_mod.a_proc(an_obj)`, which i brought up earlier |
| 02:11:29 | cazov | i don't know a good way around that |
| 02:11:54 | cazov | namespaces solve the problem but they are kind of clunky |
| 02:12:06 | desophos | i suggested that there be a way to import only a type plus its methods (the procs which take that type as their first argument) |
| 02:12:34 | cazov | that would be pretty good |
| 02:12:56 | cazov | you can hack that by creating an intermediary .nim but it'd be better if you could use a macro or something on the import itself |
| 02:14:48 | desophos | there's probably a way to do it with a macro |
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| 05:09:22 | gmpreussner_ | desophos, cazov: might wanna start a forum discussion on that topic. i'm not really qualified to comment on that :) |
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| 09:31:34 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel e84a411 JamesP [+0 ±1 -0]: add example to proc headings for... 1 more lines |
| 09:31:34 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 1f3e473 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #3458 from jlp765/systemExamples... 2 more lines |
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| 10:25:52 | Araq | if you need to figure out where a symbol comes from, maybe you should press F2 to jump to the definition... but hey, why not use notepad for programming. we don't need no stinkin' Photoshop, MS Paint works great. |
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| 10:50:00 | Araq | OnO: terminal.nim doesn't work with --app:gui anymore |
| 10:50:33 | Araq | and stuff I'm importing ends up importing terminal.nim, so it's not like I can simply not import terminal.nim ... |
| 10:51:16 | Araq | but hey, better have colors than a compiler usable as a library, right? ;-) |
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| 12:16:11 | ayia | hi guys, are there any alternative to car/cdr (first/rest) in nim? |
| 12:34:34 | ayia | is anybody here? :) |
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| 12:53:12 | flyx | ayia: well there are a[a.low] and a[a.high], is that what you're looking for? |
| 12:58:04 | Araq | ayia: usually 'seq' is preferred over list in Nim. a[0] is first, a[^1] is the last element |
| 12:59:12 | flyx | I didn't know about ^ syntax, is that documented somewhere? |
| 13:00:43 | flyx | ah, found it |
| 13:01:26 | ayia | Araq: can I do something like first(@["a", "b", "c"]) => "a" and rest(@["a", "b", "c"]) => @["b", "c"] ? |
| 13:02:12 | ayia | a[0] is instead of first i guess... what about rest? |
| 13:02:21 | flyx | a[1..^1] ? |
| 13:03:51 | ayia | hm... `@["a", "b", "c"][1..^2]` didn't work in repl (`nim i`) |
| 13:05:45 | * | flyx is not sure if `^` works in this context, as he never used it before |
| 13:05:56 | ayia | worked via normal compilation: `@["a", "b", "c"][1..2]` but function alternative instead of [] syntax would be preferable |
| 13:06:24 | flyx | if not, the traditional way is a[1..a.high] |
| 13:09:12 | Araq | ayia: with devel, `[]`(a, i) works. sort of. it's not a first class proc, but you can pass it to a template this way |
| 13:12:54 | ayia | got it, thanks! |
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| 14:04:29 | Jehan_ | Araq dom96: Current devel HEAD is broken because the last PR had # instead of ## for a couple of the examples. Just FYI. :) |
| 14:04:50 | Araq | hrm? |
| 14:04:55 | Araq | you mean docgen is broken? |
| 14:04:59 | Araq | or everything? |
| 14:07:18 | Jehan_ | Araq: I mean you can't build anything because lib/system.nim is broken. :) |
| 14:07:29 | Araq | o.O |
| 14:07:30 | Jehan_ | Hint: system [Processing] |
| 14:07:30 | Jehan_ | lib/system.nim(867, 3) Error: invalid indentation |
| 14:07:40 | Araq | lovely |
| 14:07:54 | Jehan_ | Eh, it happens, and it's trivial to fix. :) |
| 14:08:03 | Jehan_ | But I thought you might want to know anyway. :) |
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| 14:12:56 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel c977daf Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: added poDemon flag for process management |
| 14:12:56 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 03550f1 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: createThread is more convenient to use with a proc taking no arguments |
| 14:12:56 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 3ccd5ca Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: make terminal.nim work with --app:gui |
| 14:12:56 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel d221241 Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: fixes wrong doc comments |
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| 14:28:00 | HaCk3D | Araq: ping |
| 14:28:10 | Araq | pong |
| 14:28:32 | HaCk3D | ur suggestions for unicode fix to nimcurses doesnt worked |
| 14:28:50 | HaCk3D | ive tried {. emit "c code" .} |
| 14:29:04 | HaCk3D | so as posix setlocale |
| 14:29:41 | HaCk3D | so, pdcurses isn't working properly on *nix |
| 14:30:54 | Araq | well if I had a dollar for everything that doesn't work properly on *nix I'd be a millionaire. |
| 14:31:00 | HaCk3D | can u advice me where too look and what to fix on nimcurses |
| 14:31:02 | HaCk3D | :DDDD |
| 14:31:35 | Araq | well it IS a unicode problem, right? |
| 14:31:43 | HaCk3D | + |
| 14:32:10 | HaCk3D | ive tried even LC_ALL("RU_ru.utf8") ./main |
| 14:32:11 | Araq | first of all, check your input .nim files are stored in UTF-8. (the compiler doesn't check for this) |
| 14:32:17 | HaCk3D | echo works perfect |
| 14:32:28 | HaCk3D | k, w8 a bit |
| 14:33:40 | HaCk3D | file main.nim -> main.nim: UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 14:34:11 | HaCk3D | btw it shows only some letters |
| 14:34:28 | HaCk3D | like "иве" instead of "Привет" |
| 14:34:46 | HaCk3D | so setlocale helped a bit, but not so good :) |
| 14:34:54 | Araq | what do you mean? it shows? |
| 14:35:07 | Araq | echo shows this? pdcurses shows this? |
| 14:35:25 | HaCk3D | printw("Привет") = "_ @иве B" |
| 14:35:36 | Araq | does echo "Привет" without cursing work? |
| 14:35:38 | HaCk3D | some other letters work too |
| 14:35:42 | HaCk3D | ofc |
| 14:35:49 | HaCk3D | echo works perfect |
| 14:36:00 | Araq | ok, that's good to hear. |
| 14:36:10 | HaCk3D | but in curses mode printw() doesnt |
| 14:36:37 | HaCk3D | and btw echo in curses mode works too, but it messed all the text |
| 14:37:00 | HaCk3D | idk where to dig |
| 14:37:47 | HaCk3D | tried everything: all variants of setlocale, changed the wrapper lib from "ncurses" to "ncursesw" (w - for wide char) |
| 14:39:13 | HaCk3D | btw rnowley, the author of nimcurses doesnt reply to my PR |
| 14:39:20 | HaCk3D | do u know him? |
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| 14:56:57 | Araq | no. |
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| 18:23:24 | xet7 | Is there wiki software programmed with nim ? |
| 18:28:25 | Araq | I use "nim rst2html" for every document I write |
| 18:29:03 | Araq | that's not really "wiki" software, but I prefer static web pages. |
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| 21:09:53 | HaCk3D | hm, does any1 know why execCmdEx "echo -e 'lines\ncols'|tput -S" shows wrong amount of columns and rows? |
| 21:17:29 | Araq | use r"echo ... " for raw string literals? |
| 21:20:00 | HaCk3D | it shows me the default size of terminal, i think, coz it print "24 80" all the time |
| 21:20:08 | HaCk3D | even if i resize the term |
| 21:20:54 | HaCk3D | r"..." |
| 21:20:58 | HaCk3D | doesnt help |
| 21:22:04 | HaCk3D | and "stty size" shows stty: standard input: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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