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00:50:09dukesterNim noob here. Trying to sign up to the Nim forum, but it wont let me. Is the forum down?
01:00:35dukesternever mind! i see that the forum's mail-sender is (still) facing some issues
01:00:38FromDiscord<bostonboston> Inheritance bad always, simple as
01:00:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> As you actively use C#
01:01:04FromDiscord<bostonboston> Unfortunately
01:01:18FromDiscord<bostonboston> Interfaces okay sometimes
01:02:53FromDiscord<bostonboston> C# happens to be the lingua franca of my work place, because I'm not a senior developer (or developer at all) they semi require I write in a language someone else can review
01:03:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do have to say though in the case of UI OOP is hard to beat
01:03:38FromDiscord<bostonboston> I concede that
01:04:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I tried statically typed UI with no runtime dispatch and it was hell 😛
01:04:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Moreso due to Nim than just the idea
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01:04:47FromDiscord<.throwstar> Thats what im saying
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01:05:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My latest UI uses inheritance, runtime dispatch, and hides it in a semi usable builder pattern
01:05:47FromDiscord<bostonboston> We have a custom UI lib for one of our embedded environments, single threaded, no async, but luckily it's all just colored boxes and text
01:06:00FromDiscord<bostonboston> C++
01:06:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I was tempted to use an object variant instead of inheritance for my ui library, but felt that was a bit too tedious to setup
01:07:19FromDiscord<.throwstar> In reply to @bostonboston "We have a custom": Workplace development moment
01:11:25FromDiscord<ambient3332> I'm tempted to try ECS for UI
01:11:44FromDiscord<bostonboston> They made a lot of silly decisions before I got there
01:11:46FromDiscord<.throwstar> Whats ECS
01:11:50FromDiscord<ambient3332> entity component system
01:12:02FromDiscord<ambient3332> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity_component_system
01:13:20FromDiscord<.throwstar> In reply to @bostonboston "They made a lot": Id try to not express myself creatively with workplace code. Its a whole different beast than just development for fun
01:13:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh ECS is a bit hard to do declaratively
01:13:51FromDiscord<bostonboston> Good thing we're not allowed to fix our code
01:13:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I wanted declarative stateful UI
01:14:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=YhfbgkXO
01:15:32FromDiscord<.throwstar> In reply to @ambient3332 "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity_component_syst": UI is a complicated thing so it requires a complicated solution. I dont think it needs to be as complicated as that though
01:16:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well you can make a ECS specifically for UI or use an existent ECS, either way it seems a bit awful imo
01:17:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm one of those weirdos that wants to define UI in code
01:18:10FromDiscord<.throwstar> If its a small project its not a big deal
01:18:45FromDiscord<bostonboston> I have unfortunately grown in fondness to xaml
01:19:30FromDiscord<bostonboston> More so I'm probably fond of the big bloated machine that is .net that makes it easy to do whatever I want even if it's wrong
01:21:20FromDiscord<ambient3332> Can't you use declarative style that build the underlying data structure, but the actual data structure is independent from the code? and you can run that data structure as the basis for the UI?
01:22:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You could, but that sounds like work
01:22:20FromDiscord<.throwstar> Thats what im saying
01:22:54FromDiscord<.throwstar> Complexity killed the tech start-up
01:23:32FromDiscord<ambient3332> It's quite astonishing how little code the consumer is happy to pay for
01:23:51FromDiscord<whorf> is there no built-in for flattening a sequence?
01:23:57FromDiscord<ambient3332> and when you make super complex stuff that requires ton of work and innovation you actually make 100x less money
01:24:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `sequtils.flatten`?
01:24:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait that's not a thing
01:25:21FromDiscord<.throwstar> In reply to @ambient3332 "and when you make": Youre mixing up work development and for fun development
01:25:46FromDiscord<ambient3332> In reply to @.throwstar "Youre mixing up work": I'm just actually talking two of my different products that I sold/am selling
01:25:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea ambient I'm a for fun programmer
01:25:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No one in their right mind would pay me!
01:26:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @whorf choose one https://github.com/beef331/nimtrest/wiki/Code-snippets#procedure-based-introspection 😄
01:27:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> the one with `rootType` is more sensible
01:28:22FromDiscord<.throwstar> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yea ambient I'm a": Im just trying to say that expressing yourself for money is risky
01:30:51FromDiscord<whorf> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@426851559952089088> choose one https://github.com": I already had an urge to use zero-functional so I'm just gonna start converting things to it: <https://github.com/zero-functional/zero-functional>
01:33:43FromDiscord<ambient3332> I dread to use zero-functional and sugar, as they feel more like language features instead of libraries and then I would be using them all the time
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01:35:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh noes a small dependency
01:36:23FromDiscord<ambient3332> I mean having highly customizable language is both a pro and con. Pro as in you can express yourself freely. Con as there's no stable baseline
01:38:13FromDiscord<kreed1415> I noticed that futhark prepends "struct_" to the name of every struct it wraps. Is there an alternative to this behavior that is others could recommend or a way to turn it off? I assume it's done to prevent possible name collisions
01:39:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can turn it off if you want
01:39:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pmunch shudders at that idea though
01:39:40FromDiscord<bostonboston> There is still such a thing as idiomatic nim, but I do recall when some new comer on the four was like "why can't we just make (nim implementation) more like python?" And everyone was like "well Nim is not python, anyways here's a set of macros that allow you to write Nim like python"
01:40:01FromDiscord<bostonboston> Forum not four
01:40:11FromDiscord<ambient3332> Is there a document or something on what idiomatic Nim looks like?
01:40:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually you might have to use the rename callback
01:40:29FromDiscord<kreed1415> yeah i figured it would require the callback
01:40:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/PMunch/futhark?tab=readme-ov-file#compatibility-features-and-readability mentioned in here
01:40:33FromDiscord<kreed1415> im already using that
01:40:44FromDiscord<kreed1415> I just wasn't sure if this is an incredibly stupid idea lol
01:41:23FromDiscord<kreed1415> it seems like at the very least I could change it to something not as gross. For something like SDL where the types are everywhere it does get incredibly wordy
01:42:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Removing the manual overloading and prefixing is ideal
01:42:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nothing like `renderer.rendererSetColor(...)`
01:44:22FromDiscord<kreed1415> hmm I did notice that SDL2 wrapper was done differently
01:45:24FromDiscord<kreed1415> instead of just providing the struct, SDL2 wrapper provides a WindowPtr which hides the ptr struct_Window
01:45:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Opaque types are common place
01:46:04FromDiscord<kreed1415> any idea if you can tell futhark to generate those?
01:46:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does already for "Unknown Objects"
01:47:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Otherwise you'll likely have to declare the types beforehand
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02:25:15FromDiscord<whorf> How do I pass a seq into a proc which takes vararg? I want to pass a sequence of arguments to db.bindParams: <https://nim-lang.org/docs/db_sqlite.html#basic-usage-storing-binary-data-example>↵Manual shows that this should work fine with an array but is it not possible with seq?
02:26:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You just pass it
02:26:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `seq` and `array` implicitly convert to `openArray`
02:31:16FromDiscord<whorf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=TDVvENoD
02:31:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `@[1u8, 2, 3]`
02:32:43FromDiscord<whorf> huh
02:32:45FromDiscord<whorf> interesting
02:33:09FromDiscord<whorf> well now i gotta figure out why my seq[string] isn't converting
02:33:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is no overload there for it to match to
02:33:55FromDiscord<whorf> it doesn't match to string?
02:34:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `val: string` is not a collection
02:34:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a single string
02:35:20FromDiscord<whorf> if it accepts string and int, then @["a","b"] should work if @[1,2] works?
02:35:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> None of those overloads match for `seq[int]` or `seq[string]`
02:36:07FromDiscord<whorf> ohhhh sorry i get what you did with the u8 thing now↵I want this to be treated as a vararg
02:37:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Vararg overloads are a bit squirrely
02:37:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So depends what your signature is, generally you want one vararg and have it last parameter
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02:42:01FromDiscord<whorf> The signature for bindParams does have it as the last parameter. Does it matter that it's a macro?
02:42:36FromDiscord<whorf> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319132750548045854/image.png?ex=6764d99c&is=6763881c&hm=fbc4254f1f23caf6e807aa48cc8e663fe9f31f8e6a0966bd01a68c0d8d7c1b6d& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319132750904688753/image.png?ex=6764d99c&is=6763881c&hm=046b55a24c0a6ef0ce3503882614bf971e96ad73fdc06fc7bf8d680bb9dacca4&
02:43:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the overload error?
02:43:56FromDiscord<whorf> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=aVtVNFDR
02:44:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh yea you're overloading untyped
02:44:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Overloaded untyped can never be called
02:45:02FromDiscord<whorf> me just want pass list to function accepting multiple values why no possible
02:45:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Overloading untyped means that the last parameter is always semantically checked to see if it matches, so it'll never fallback to `untyped`
02:47:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Change that to `varargs[typed]`
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03:05:22FromDiscord<kreed1415> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=kGrLRqkd
03:06:13FromDiscord<kreed1415> however, Futhark seems to have separated the Event itself from the Enum of events.
03:08:44FromDiscord<kreed1415> This seems to be the enum of actual Event types: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319139326356881442/image.png?ex=6764dfbb&is=67638e3b&hm=065bb8b235c147b344123149edb05c8c6ffc08893bab1c00e24589f3151bda4d&
03:09:37FromDiscord<kreed1415> but the actual type that pollEvent() expects is: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319139546734002196/image.png?ex=6764dff0&is=67638e70&hm=fab6ef3cd242eebbce8265cc3b6c2352766e52e76332d13282e6c404733eeeb9&
03:10:58FromDiscord<kreed1415> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=xOdxLtqE
03:11:47FromDiscord<kreed1415> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=RixUiMKl" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=BrwVQcPO"
03:12:00FromDiscord<kreed1415> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=mMcDpYTC" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=cKtpchLu"
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03:13:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should generate nice names
03:13:53FromDiscord<kreed1415> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It should generate nice": the problem is that the names don't match
03:14:41FromDiscord<kreed1415> in this canse event.type_field is a Uint32 and Event_Quit is an enum_EventType
03:16:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah the field is not an enum
03:16:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Odd might need to explicitly define the types
03:16:48FromDiscord<kreed1415> the problem is that SDL is basically a giant mass of enums, so the wrapper quickly becomes useless if it can't generate thm
03:16:50FromDiscord<kreed1415> (edit) "thm" => "them"
03:16:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pmunch can give better advice so impatiently wait for him I guess
03:17:04FromDiscord<kreed1415> yeah I suppose that's the best course of action
03:19:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Until then you can of course do `Event_Quit.uint32` if you really want to make it work
03:21:53FromDiscord<kreed1415> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Until then you can": ah yeah that does work
03:23:13FromDiscord<kreed1415> I shouldn't have to do this lol
03:23:14FromDiscord<kreed1415> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319142974998974484/image.png?ex=6764e321&is=676391a1&hm=fbca22424a9fddac0502b459ec36d8a86c500b2e15a26e2b66590c6cb74e7226&
03:23:31FromDiscord<kreed1415> it definitely feels like there has to be a better way
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09:40:10FromDiscord<arm_3_d> does GC_ref/unref work with --mm:refc?
10:03:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It works with Refc and the Rcs
10:06:18FromDiscord<pmunch> In reply to @kreed1415 "it definitely feels like": That's just the way of C unfortunately. If SDL was written in Nim this would've been a typesafe thing, but alas.
10:07:02FromDiscord<pmunch> That being said you could create a converter from whatever `EventQuit` is to a uint32. That way you could compare them directly
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10:24:05FromDiscord<kapendev> hot take: type safety is not that important sometimes.
10:24:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hotter take, type safety is the be all end all
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11:07:44FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> hottest take: depends
11:16:04FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @fabric.input_output "hottest take: depends": hottest make: clean
11:29:39FromDiscord<nnsee> bravo
11:29:49FromDiscord<nnsee> i ghasped at that joke
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11:44:58FromDiscord<heysokam> In reply to @kreed1415 "": you could wrap that uint as an enum of cuint32 size
11:45:12FromDiscord<heysokam> they map seamlessly to C, just like enum sets
11:45:38FromDiscord<heysokam> (edit) "size" => "size, in both the function and the usage of the enum"
11:46:33FromDiscord<heysokam> (edit) "function" => "struct field" | "usage" => "definition"
12:04:34FromDiscord<albassort> there are two potential evils
12:05:10FromDiscord<albassort> would you rather:↵1. I use exec() on a binary file to call an api through a tool↵2. i wrap a python function to use grpc
12:05:21FromDiscord<albassort> there is a nim grpc but it wont parse the files for whatever reason
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12:16:13FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> In reply to @albassort "would you rather: 1.": 3. xmlrpc 🙏
12:17:05FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @fabric.input_output "3. xmlrpc 🙏": ...?
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13:19:05FromDiscord<xtrayambak> How can I tell Nim to emit `struct XYZ final : public Thing::Class` instead of `struct XYZ : public Thing::Class` in the C++ backend?
13:19:37FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I tried the `{.final.}` pragma but it tells me that I can't make the object inheritable in that case
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13:22:45FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Nevermind, I had tagged the parent class as final as well
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14:40:22FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> In reply to @albassort "...?": python has xmlrpc in the std
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14:54:17FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @xtrayambak "Nevermind, I had tagged": Nevermind, it still does that..
14:54:30FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bjiuDXrQ
14:54:59FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=jPskYkOG
14:55:05FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I tried `{.final.}`, didn't work
14:55:29FromDiscord<xtrayambak> here's the declaration in Nim by the way (`Seat` is the wrapped version of `LSeat`) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1319317185969258526/uOmKTn5.png?ex=67658560&is=676433e0&hm=a60c68f28578dda95076db864c412f6dade86d16a7414a68970371bac02e3538&
14:55:44FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (edit) "`LSeat`)" => "`LSeat` with the `{.inheritable.}` pragma)"
15:05:48FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=OZGABpYB
15:06:10FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Never heard of that pragma, got the docs for it?
15:06:39FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas-codegendecl-pragma
15:07:01FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> nimforue works by that as i know in some cases
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16:07:09FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @griffith1deadly "https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementatio": By the way, is there a good Nim-ic way to generate code for `return new Class(param1, param2)`?
16:07:23FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I tried wrapping it via importcpp but it kept acting weirdly
16:07:55FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (i. e, the compiler would throw an internal error)
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16:15:46FromDiscord<bostonboston> You can emit
16:29:47FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @bostonboston "You can emit": It gives me a very weird error in that case, wait
16:43:59FromDiscord<bostonboston> Did you also read all of this https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#importcpp-pragma-importcpp-for-procs
16:44:05FromDiscord<bostonboston> It knows a little more than me
16:46:09FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @xtrayambak "By the way, is": do you mean import/export cpp constructors? if yes, mark proc as constructor pragma
16:47:06FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=eHXCvGdr
16:47:09FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> from docs
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16:48:58FromDiscord<bostonboston> Using the importcpp pragma is there a way to get inner types from generics?
16:50:28FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @bostonboston "Using the importcpp pragma": https://github.com/jmgomez/NimForUE/blob/devel/src/nimforue/unreal/core/containers/map.nim#L14
16:50:33FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> you mean that?
16:54:58FromDiscord<bostonboston> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=OufcnYQH
16:56:17FromDiscord<bostonboston> Is that was '0 is for
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17:17:18FromDiscord<nixfreak> I know this script is wrong but why doesn't filename work ? https://paste.debian.net/1340557/, Trying to read domains in a file and printout results , In bash this is easy for me but I would like to figure this out.
17:31:52FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @nixfreak "I know this script": `loadDomainFile` looks fine to me. Do you get any error message?
17:32:53FromDiscord<nixfreak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=VxgCFUDy
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17:45:55FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @nixfreak "Hey thanks for looking": In line 20 in `checkDomain` proc, variable `filename` is used but it is not declared. You probably need to add `filename` parameter to `checkDomain` and pass filename to `checkDomain`.
18:00:01FromDiscord<nixfreak> ok so add filename to the proc ?
18:11:13FromDiscord<amarevite> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=uXfeiOKK
18:12:08FromDiscord<nixfreak> @demotomohiro I don't think I'm following you , could you perhaps supply an example?
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18:16:58FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> In reply to @amarevite "i have the following": there's `typedesc`, but in general you can't put `typedesc` on the RHS of `=` or `:`, they're only for compile-time
18:17:54FromDiscord<amarevite> yeah i tried messing around with typedesc and wasnt getting anywhere
18:19:12FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/rHWfbxwI
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18:22:37FromDiscord<amarevite> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=PZtwqXlC
18:24:28FromDiscord<nixfreak> @amarevite Ok thats makes sense thanks
18:28:30FromDiscord<amarevite> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=CsewOIiK
18:33:00FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bopEuJWs
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18:39:25FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=GogxRqYf
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18:42:52FromDiscord<amarevite> thats interesting i havent seen code like that before↵let me try that out
18:45:42FromDiscord<amarevite> oh wow yeah thats exactly what i need thank you so much
18:47:22FromDiscord<amarevite> and fwiw i went with the first example code block since i find it easier to read and understand, thank you
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19:01:01FromDiscord<nixfreak> Ok so I added the logic for checkDomain because of rmsg object, but why is proc main() , filename undeclared ? https://paste.debian.net/1340563/
19:01:59Amun-Ranixfreak: where is it declared?
19:02:39FromDiscord<nixfreak> in checkDomain proc
19:02:55Amun-Rayes, that's variable local to check_domain
19:03:08Amun-Rait's not available outside the proc
19:03:34Amun-Rathere is no "filename" variable neither in main() nor in global context
19:05:18FromDiscord<nixfreak> do I need global pragma ?
19:06:08Amun-Rawhat is that filename variable for?
19:06:41Amun-Rayou don't need global pragma, you need to declare that variable
19:07:45Amun-Rawhat's the relation between filename and domain?
19:08:24Amun-Ralet's say we have "foobar.com" domain, what filename stores the domain contents?
19:08:35FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @nixfreak "do I need global": In Nim, all variables need to be declared before using it. And each variables has its scope.↵When you declare a variable inside a procedure, it become a local variable and you can use it only inside that procedure.
19:09:46FromDiscord<nixfreak> filename is the variable that hold the txt file
19:09:52FromDiscord<nixfreak> (edit) "hold" => "holds"
19:10:45Amun-Raso if the domain is "foobar.com" what file specifically contains the data?
19:11:14FromDiscord<nixfreak> domains.txt
19:12:01Amun-Ranixfreak: https://paste.debian.net/1340565/
19:12:25Amun-Rabtw. you don't have to annotate main() with '*'
19:13:44FromDiscord<nixfreak> ohh ok duh declare filename then load filename as a parameter
19:13:52Amun-Rayes
19:13:58FromDiscord<nixfreak> I don't know why I didn't see that .. sorry thanks
19:14:13Amun-Rain this case "const filename = …" is even better
19:14:42FromDiscord<nixfreak> yeah I agree
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21:14:12FromDiscord<nixfreak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=fMMyvzyb
21:14:46FromDiscord<nixfreak> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=lRpJvwoB" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=aVlBtera"
21:15:27FromDiscord<lozercaustic> go to nimble/pkg folder, modify the source, then echo that 🙂
21:15:55FromDiscord<nixfreak> ?
21:20:40FromDiscord<albassort> In reply to @fabric.input_output "python has xmlrpc in": but does it grpc?
21:20:45FromDiscord<albassort> (edit) "grpc?" => "grpc into a protobuf?"
21:27:44FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> In reply to @albassort "but does it grpc": it becomes an xml string
21:28:02FromDiscord<fabric.input_output> which you can put in a grpc string ig ;)
21:28:12FromDiscord<albassort> hmmm
21:28:20FromDiscord<albassort> something tells me this isn't relevant lol
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