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| 00:08:25 | FromDiscord | <moerm> see you |
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| 00:35:48 | shashlick | moerm: so far, i've had great success with cpu, ram and disk usage and with Nim, the velocity of dev is amazing |
| 00:36:24 | shashlick | in two months of part time work, I have moved over from notepad++ |
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| 03:02:57 | FromDiscord | <inv> Hello, sorry, just few minutes with nim: how to create array with 10^6 elemets with 0..1000 random number ? |
| 03:03:12 | FromDiscord | <inv> trying to do it without any loop, is it sequtils ? |
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| 03:23:20 | FromDiscord | <inv> did it: ```map(repeat(0, 1_000_000), proc(x: int): int64 = rand(1000))``` |
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| 07:30:33 | PMunch | Hmm, when did else cases start to complain about invalid else statetemnts because all cases are covered? |
| 07:32:31 | narimiran | couple of weeks ago, i think |
| 07:32:39 | narimiran | it is a great change, IMO |
| 07:56:26 | Zevv | yeah super |
| 07:56:45 | Zevv | I now even make all my discards explicit instead of else-ing |
| 07:57:05 | Zevv | way easier to have the compiler point out to me what I need to do when I add a member to my enums |
| 07:57:50 | Zevv | oh wait, the other way around. I shoud read before answering, right |
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| 08:06:09 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> eh |
| 08:06:15 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> hello |
| 08:07:32 | Zevv | Hi waghanza |
| 08:08:17 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> Could anyone help me in https://github.com/the-benchmarker/web-frameworks/pull/1011 |
| 08:08:32 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> I try to install `nimpretty` |
| 08:18:14 | leorize | is there any problem? |
| 08:19:52 | narimiran | wadhanza yes, you can use `nimpretty`from cli on linux (to answer your question from that thread) |
| 08:21:09 | narimiran | waghanza ^ |
| 08:21:53 | FromGitter | <waghanza> @narimiran how ? |
| 08:22:10 | narimiran | nimpretty <filename> |
| 08:22:42 | FromGitter | <waghanza> no, I mean, how to install |
| 08:22:43 | FromGitter | <waghanza> it |
| 08:23:02 | leorize | clone Nim's git repo |
| 08:23:16 | leorize | cd nimpretty |
| 08:23:24 | leorize | nim c nimpretty.nim |
| 08:24:13 | leorize | it's also installed automatically if you use the git version of choosenim |
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| 08:49:25 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> When `nim c nimpretty.nim` I have `../compiler/pathutils.nim(13, 22) Error: cannot open file: pathnorm` |
| 08:49:28 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> on **devel** |
| 08:50:02 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> but not on **master*** |
| 08:50:46 | leorize | yea, you'd need to use the master branch |
| 08:51:08 | leorize | the devel compiler is vastly different from the stable one, so not everything works |
| 08:53:41 | FromDiscord | <waghanza> 😉 |
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| 11:02:38 | FromGitter | <mratsim> btw 0.19.0 was a year ago already :P |
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| 11:29:05 | PMunch | mratsim, lies! |
| 11:29:13 | PMunch | It was barely yesterday! |
| 11:29:50 | FromGitter | <mratsim> ah sorry it was 0.18.0 on March 1st |
| 11:49:09 | narimiran | and this year, we release v1.0 on April 1st! |
| 11:53:37 | PMunch | mratsim, haha I was just messing with you :P But 0.19.0 didn't feel that long ago |
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| 15:17:49 | shashlick | has anyone figured out how to write to stdin of a process you spawn and get its output? |
| 15:18:20 | shashlick | given the process waits for stdin to close, which only happens when the parent exits really |
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| 15:48:23 | planetis[m] | hey, whats the future of object constructors in nim (i.e. MyObj(x: x)) are there here to stay? Will they be extended to support default values? or I better not use them? |
| 15:48:47 | Zevv | shashlick: that's generally a hard problem because of blocking |
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| 15:52:21 | shashlick | Zevv, ya, I have to use an intermediate file looks like |
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| 15:59:10 | Zevv | or do it async or with threads. |
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| 16:14:51 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @planetis there is a default value RFC |
| 16:15:01 | FromGitter | <mratsim> and a constructor RFC as well |
| 16:15:48 | FromGitter | <mratsim> https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/126 |
| 16:16:11 | FromGitter | <mratsim> https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/126 |
| 16:16:38 | FromGitter | <mratsim> sorry: https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/48 |
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| 16:31:16 | planetis[m] | thanks for the links, I believe there was also a proposal for type inference, so you don't have to write result = initTable[int, float]() , but can't find it. Was it rejected? |
| 16:33:40 | planetis[m] | imho the last one would make nim awesome |
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| 16:34:57 | planetis[m] | oh found it https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/2071 |
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| 16:38:03 | planetis[m] | btw using result = MyObj(foo: foo) creates two zeroMem calls, is that a reported issue? |
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| 16:52:19 | Araq | planetis[m], not sure but the code generator is getting an overhaul. |
| 16:52:35 | Araq | the zeroMem calls are optimized by C though |
| 16:52:41 | Araq | to a single one |
| 16:54:07 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I’m pretty sure they’re not |
| 16:54:20 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I found duplicate zeroMem in both Arraymancer and Nimbus iirc |
| 16:55:29 | FromGitter | <mratsim> GCC would only optimize them if they are stack objects i think |
| 16:55:42 | FromGitter | <mratsim> (i.e. it can prove that there is no side-effects) |
| 16:56:14 | planetis[m] | i though so, it wouldn't be really an issue, (didn't check the assembly though) |
| 16:57:00 | FromGitter | <mratsim> (or you tag them with the “pure” function attribute (not allowed to touch anything besides parameters and global variables for GCC) |
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| 16:57:40 | planetis[m] | btw is there any small coding task in Nim that I can contribute? like a refactor? |
| 16:58:00 | FromGitter | <mratsim> look into the issues in Nim tracker |
| 16:58:24 | FromGitter | <mratsim> the easy one should be tag with “easy” but easy in the eye of the beholder |
| 16:59:05 | planetis[m] | will do |
| 17:00:08 | Araq | mratsim: well usually it's on the stack |
| 17:00:49 | FromGitter | <mratsim> ref objects do exist ;) |
| 17:03:54 | planetis[m] | lol i meant rewrite, refactors are not small tasks :) |
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| 17:17:15 | narimiran | planetis[m]: well, there is the ongoing task to improve documentation https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/10330 - it is quite easy thing to do |
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| 17:46:45 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Hello |
| 17:48:23 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Could one of the forum mods please explain the (sometimes temporary) vanishing of (perfectly polite and constructive) posts? |
| 17:48:37 | narimiran | posts shouldn't disappear |
| 17:48:57 | narimiran | do you have a link to a thread where that happened? |
| 17:49:35 | FromDiscord | <moerm> namiram Well it happened multiple time to me. Sometimes earlier (granted, then some posts were a bit harsh) and the last time yesterday (perfectly polite and constructive) |
| 17:50:01 | FromDiscord | <moerm> The one yesterday (night) https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/4728 |
| 17:50:14 | FromDiscord | <moerm> *Now* my post is there again |
| 17:50:21 | shashlick | yes |
| 17:50:25 | narimiran | yeah, it is there, i see it |
| 17:50:44 | narimiran | before that, you posted this: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/4726#29493 |
| 17:51:22 | narimiran | and one another comment there. before that: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/4716#29465 (4 days ago) |
| 17:51:25 | narimiran | what is missing? |
| 17:51:53 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran Yes, correct. But my own threads never vanished (nor posts in it) |
| 17:52:35 | narimiran | ok, what *did* vanish? |
| 17:52:44 | FromDiscord | <moerm> The first one you linked from yesterday was visible after I created it ... later it vanished ... and sometimes today it reappeared |
| 17:53:31 | FromDiscord | <moerm> (sorry, I mean the one *I* linked to, in pointers and refs) |
| 17:54:05 | narimiran | i visit forum quite frequently and i didn't notice anything vanishing then reappearing |
| 17:54:24 | FromDiscord | <moerm> It looked as if a mod had vanished it and (possibly another mod) later made it reappear |
| 17:54:37 | narimiran | i seriously doubt that |
| 17:54:50 | narimiran | we 99% of time deal only with spammers |
| 17:55:02 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran Not to create trouble but kindly note that I'm not lying nor am I particularly stupid |
| 17:55:21 | narimiran | sometimes you'll see some old forum posts appear but there's no new post there |
| 17:55:29 | FromDiscord | <moerm> When I say that my post was gone at least for some hours then it *was* gone. |
| 17:55:33 | FromGitter | <alehander42> well next time, please report it while it's vanished |
| 17:55:58 | narimiran | that's because it is posted by some new user. sometimes it will be valid post, which will be revealed when mods enable it, sometimes it is a spammer |
| 17:56:11 | FromDiscord | <moerm> alehandler I *did* (here) but there was no reaction - which I can understand as it was quite late |
| 17:56:24 | narimiran | next time: screenshots please |
| 17:56:31 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Uhm, I'm neither exactly new nor am I a spammer |
| 17:56:36 | FromGitter | <alehander42> ah i see |
| 17:56:45 | narimiran | your posts weren't disappearing for me |
| 17:57:21 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran Please get it: That means *nothing* if you ware not there at that time |
| 17:57:36 | narimiran | that's why i said: screenshots please next time |
| 17:57:57 | narimiran | because all this discussion means nothing too ;) |
| 17:58:02 | FromDiscord | <moerm> It *did* disappear, I even tried to force-reload the page to exclude a browser hiccup. It was *gone*, at least for some hours |
| 17:58:48 | FromDiscord | <moerm> And I'm not talking about it to make a fuss but because I want to know the reasons (maybe technical) and I want to guide some mods attention to it |
| 17:59:12 | FromDiscord | <moerm> I don't think I'd be a good community member if I saw something not working and just kept it to myself |
| 18:00:12 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Result so far "nariman saying F*ck off unless you have proof". Hmmm, OK. |
| 18:00:27 | FromGitter | <alehander42> this is uncalled for moerm, please be reasonable |
| 18:00:28 | narimiran | please. i didn't say that |
| 18:00:50 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran That what I read. Maybe I'm wrong |
| 18:00:56 | FromDiscord | <moerm> alehandler Pardon? |
| 18:01:28 | narimiran | i could also write "moerm saying fuck you mods for messing with my mind", but that isn't very nice nor productive, is it? |
| 18:01:35 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Me telling something and hearing "screenshot please" is to be understood as ...? |
| 18:01:39 | FromGitter | <alehander42> nobody said "fuck off", it's just obvious that we don't know why the posts disappeared |
| 18:01:45 | FromGitter | <alehander42> what do you want us to do honestly? |
| 18:01:56 | narimiran | undestood as: we want to investigate it |
| 18:02:22 | FromGitter | <alehander42> screenshot can give additional info: hour, other missing posts |
| 18:02:24 | FromDiscord | <moerm> alehandler "We don't know why" is a perfectly acceptable answer. "Bring proof" however implies that I'm making up stuff |
| 18:02:51 | * | narimiran can't believe what he's reading |
| 18:03:07 | FromGitter | <alehander42> well, it wasn't the intention, let's call it a misunderstanding |
| 18:03:11 | FromDiscord | <moerm> "Hour" - I *did* mention it here right when I noticed it, so the chat logs could help re. the time |
| 18:04:16 | shashlick | we're all coders here, "it doesn't work" is not actionable, and asking for more info is perfectly reasonable |
| 18:04:22 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran, alehandler "misunderstanding" - Accepted. As I said I'm not bringing this up to create trouble. But neither am I taking it lightly when someone hints that I'm lying |
| 18:04:50 | narimiran | i'm not implying that you're lying. jesus christ!!! |
| 18:04:54 | FromGitter | <alehander42> again: not the idea, the point was to somehow collect more info next time if this happens |
| 18:05:02 | FromGitter | <alehander42> but yeah lets all calm down :D |
| 18:05:14 | FromGitter | <alehander42> thats pre-friday burnout haha |
| 18:05:23 | narimiran | if anything, you're the one attacking (because of the way you (mis)interpreted some messages) |
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| 18:05:55 | FromDiscord | <moerm> shashlick Yes, agreed. But a) I *did* provide info (e.g. the chat yesterday night) and b) yes, "it doesn't help doesn't provide insight, but it provide a clue *that* something isn't working |
| 18:06:51 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Again @narimiran, alehandler I'm not interested in creating trouble and I'm willing to apologize if I was too sensible. But maybe, just maybe narimiran might think a second about his wording too |
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| 18:07:44 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran "because of the way you (mis)interpreted some messages" - thanks for a good laugh (honestly |
| 18:07:58 | narimiran | please re-read everything written so far once you cool down. i hope you'll see there was no bad intentions on my side |
| 18:08:13 | FromDiscord | <moerm> The way one is understood - both you, I, and everyone - is also everyones resposability |
| 18:08:40 | FromGitter | <alehander42> btw moerm, how is the proof thing going |
| 18:08:44 | FromGitter | <alehander42> what was it: |
| 18:08:55 | FromGitter | <alehander42> tla+ ? |
| 18:08:56 | FromDiscord | <moerm> I don't say that you had bad *intentions*. In fact my guess is more that you communicated carelessly (probably under stress) |
| 18:08:57 | narimiran | and currently you're the only one who understood it as i'm implying that you're lying, and not (like everybody else) that i'd like more information so i can check what's going on |
| 18:09:04 | FromGitter | <alehander42> i remember there was an idea to combine it with the compiler |
| 18:09:54 | FromDiscord | <moerm> alehandler No, not tla+ but the Z3 engine. I said that I don't have the time *now*. But Zevv seems to be working on something. |
| 18:10:25 | FromDiscord | <moerm> It's in early stage afaik but his work looks good |
| 18:11:18 | sealmove | hi, I have another macro question: How do you extract the type of a passed symbol? https://termbin.com/xmki |
| 18:11:51 | FromDiscord | <moerm> nariman My take so far is simple: "Why should I invest work in helping newbies when it sometimes just vanishes and nobody cares a lot?" - and, yes, I consider this case closed at least for the moment and will not bring it up again. Thank you, have a nice day |
| 18:12:15 | narimiran | please continue to help newbies. |
| 18:12:37 | FromDiscord | <moerm> The weather here is quite nice |
| 18:12:59 | narimiran | as you can see, all you're vanishing posts have reappeared, so you're help will be seen |
| 18:13:08 | Araq | I did delete spam today fwiw |
| 18:13:28 | Araq | but there is also a bug, posts by spammers are not deleted automatically |
| 18:13:53 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Whatever. Zevv is working on a Nim-Z3 interface. That's AWESOME! |
| 18:13:56 | Araq | which is why I have to do it by hand. The reason seems an overly complex SQL query which we got slightly wrong |
| 18:14:44 | shashlick | this is an international tech chat folks, please everyone refrain from passing judgement on how people talk and word things and stick to the issues |
| 18:14:46 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Araq Maybe that's the simple explanation. I could understand perfectly well that a mod confronted with loads of spam occasionally clicks the wrong post |
| 18:15:47 | narimiran | as i said half an hour ago: this is not some mod playing with your posts |
| 18:17:14 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Btw, I remember times when Nim implementations of crypto, hash, etc were 10%, sometimes even 20% slower than C implementations. That has changed dramatically. I can hardly tell you how pleased I am to have a hash implementation that is (a little bit) *faster* in Nim! Lovely, just great. Kudos to Araq and the team! |
| 18:17:41 | FromGitter | <mratsim> As a forum mod I don't delete posts but ban whole accounts, I don't think anyone delete posts, besides when libman goes too far ;) |
| 18:18:06 | FromGitter | <mratsim> and it has like 2-3 warnings before deletion |
| 18:18:21 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran I read what you write (but that thing is dead afaic and I won't discuss anymore - as I have no screenshot, haha) |
| 18:18:39 | * | narimiran roll eyes |
| 18:18:52 | FromDiscord | <moerm> mratsim *g (I think he means really well, though) |
| 18:19:12 | Araq | well I take responsibility, blame me for any lost messages |
| 18:19:27 | FromDiscord | <moerm> narimiran I know that from my wife (and have learned to sigh and ignore it) Thank you. Nice weather here |
| 18:20:25 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Araq No problem at all (no matter who did it). "Confronted with loads of spam someone might have done a bad click" is perfectly acceptable as an explanation and understandable. |
| 18:20:35 | FromGitter | <mratsim> yes I agree, but sometimes it's just derails a thread for 30 posts ;) |
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| 18:21:13 | sealmove | is type info lost when you pass something to a macro? |
| 18:21:27 | Araq | sealmove, it depends. |
| 18:21:28 | FromDiscord | <moerm> mratsim I'm a mod myself in a (mid sized) community and I understand you. In fact, those cases are particularly hard *because* those guys mean well |
| 18:21:40 | FromGitter | <mratsim> it's not lost, either it's not computed if you use an untyped macro, or availaible if you use a typed macro |
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| 18:22:45 | sealmove | how to use it? for example i want to use the type of passed argument to create a proc that takes an argument of that type |
| 18:23:11 | sealmove | can't find a proc in macro module for that extracts a type.. |
| 18:28:38 | FromDiscord | <moerm> How much trouble is it to catch *all* the usualy **ix/ux signals (not just SIGC)? And: Is there example code anywhere? |
| 18:29:14 | FromDiscord | <moerm> I'd also minimally need HUP, USR1 and USR2 |
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| 18:33:18 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @sealmove have a look at how I generate iterators with proper types in loopfusion: https://github.com/numforge/loop-fusion/blob/master/loopfusion.nim |
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| 18:37:54 | sealmove | mratsim: thanks! exactly what I need |
| 18:40:02 | Araq | moerm: read lib/system/excpt.nim line 527 |
| 18:40:45 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Araq Thanks a lot, will do. |
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| 18:43:41 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Btw, @Araq Any idea when 0.2 ~ 1.0 will be reached? I mean 0.19.9 looks promising ... |
| 18:45:21 | Araq | it got delayed because of this new holy --newruntime switch which will destroy our competition... |
| 18:45:59 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Hmmm, tell me more about it (or give me a link), please ... |
| 18:49:36 | Araq | I'm writing an article and the implementation at the same time. Which is probably a terrible idea. |
| 18:51:02 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Hmmm Sorry, but yes I agree. |
| 18:55:02 | FromDiscord | <moerm> see you all, I'll be back later I guess |
| 19:03:59 | sealmove | mratsim: it worked already! :) |
| 19:04:45 | sealmove | what do you mean "will destroy our competition"? |
| 19:05:15 | sealmove | will crash our competitors? :D |
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| 19:33:42 | sealmove | when you have a varargs parameter and you want to make a call where you pass nothing as argument, how do you explicitly specify that? |
| 19:37:52 | sealmove | for example this fails to compile: https://termbin.com/hchg |
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| 19:46:12 | Araq | example([], 5.5) |
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| 19:49:30 | sealmove | (－‸ლ) that was dead simple |
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| 20:01:48 | Araq | yay |
| 20:01:50 | Araq | temp4.nim(10, 1) Error: cannot bind another '=destroy' to: Foo |
| 20:02:06 | Araq | it finally works, strict checking for destructors |
| 20:02:51 | FromGitter | <arnetheduck> now if we could also constrain construction to specific funcs... :) |
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| 20:05:24 | Araq | .requiresInit exists in the compiler but isn't exposed as a pragma |
| 20:06:12 | ptdel | nice, so if I accidentally unallocate something again after it's already been done i can catch on that? |
| 20:06:47 | Araq | well yeah. If your destructor checks for that. |
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| 21:03:30 | pacujo | Porting a program to nim, I ran into what looks like some sort of a glitch. |
| 21:03:40 | pacujo | A simple "import seqs" results in: |
| 21:03:50 | pacujo | ../../etc/nim/nim-0.19.4/lib/core/seqs.nim(18, 13) Error: undeclared identifier: 'Allocator' |
| 21:04:14 | pacujo | Or maybe it's my half-hearted installation of nim. |
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| 21:04:36 | pacujo | A comment in seqs.nim claims: |
| 21:04:40 | pacujo | # strs already imported allocators for us. |
| 21:05:10 | pacujo | Nim Compiler Version 0.19.4 [Linux: amd64] |
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| 21:05:29 | FromGitter | <liquid600pgm> do you guys have any tutorials on threads in nim? |
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| 21:06:57 | sealmove | oh varargs have to be of the same type? |
| 21:08:20 | sealmove | sorry, I mean varargs[typed] |
| 21:09:36 | sealmove | the type is inferred from the 0th argument, and the type of 1st, 2nd, ... are overritten within the macro |
| 21:09:42 | sealmove | is this intended? |
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| 21:12:35 | sealmove | sorry nvm |
| 21:13:32 | sealmove | Araq: what you suggested (using `[]` for calling without arguments) works for procs but not macros |
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| 21:15:16 | sealmove | if you pass `[]` it is interpreted as `array[0 .. -1, empty]` |
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| 21:16:49 | shashlick | pacujo how did you install Nim |
| 21:17:22 | shashlick | liquid600pgm there's stuff in the manual for threadpool and spawn |
| 21:17:38 | shashlick | But for simple stuff, just createThread is good |
| 21:18:05 | Araq | pacuja: don't import seqs.nim |
| 21:18:58 | Araq | sealmove, well maybe |
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| 21:20:55 | sealmove | eh ok, will have to live with this |
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| 21:32:04 | sealmove | is it possible to overload macros? |
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| 21:38:14 | sealmove | oh it works :)) that's beautiful |
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| 21:58:03 | sealmove | is it possible to call an anonymous function (without giving it a name)? |
| 22:00:03 | solitudesf | (proc = echo "test")() |
| 22:00:36 | sealmove | solitudesf: oh that works? sweet! |
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| 22:51:11 | FromGitter | <danielecook> Anyone know of an easy way to calculate the median from an array? |
| 22:51:44 | FromGitter | <danielecook> Also, a way to convert an array to a `Counter()` like object, and calc. median from that would be more helpful |
| 22:51:51 | FromGitter | <danielecook> 1) Counter from python |
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| 23:33:01 | FromGitter | <mratsim> import tables and use CountTable |
| 23:33:09 | FromGitter | <mratsim> @danielecook ^ |
| 23:34:06 | FromGitter | <mratsim> for median you can just copy paste the 3 lines from Rosetta code: https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Averages/Median#Nim |
| 23:42:54 | FromGitter | <danielecook> ah thank you! I did find count table but wanted to find the most efficient method |
| 23:45:31 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I don’t think there is a more efficient way than allocating an intermediate array besides directly using a sorted data structure |
| 23:46:12 | FromGitter | <mratsim> I’m far from an algorithm guru though |
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| 23:49:25 | FromDiscord | <moerm> Hello |
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