| 00:01:26 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> `static[range[3..high(int)]]` this compiles |
| 00:02:52 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> but |
| 00:03:11 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> `Shape[2, 2]` doesnt crash |
| 00:03:34 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Yea i got a solution https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Tts |
| 00:03:52 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> not ideal, but it works |
| 00:04:14 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> lol |
| 00:04:33 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i mean at that rate i might as well stick to a newShape() |
| 00:05:05 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> You mean `initShape` π |
| 00:05:14 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> `newShape` π |
| 00:05:29 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> In nim conventions `new` indicates a heap allocated object |
| 00:05:40 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> `init` is used to indicate a stack allocated object |
| 00:05:40 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> mm fair enough |
| 00:06:17 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> maybe i should go complain that this doesnt work on github |
| 00:06:32 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Possibly |
| 00:06:41 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> the error message at the very least is |
| 00:06:42 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> obtuse |
| 00:06:42 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Might be an issue already for it, either way go check and make one! |
| 00:07:23 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> you know being a python dev, i didnt really understand what language maturity meantβ΅after spending 1 month with nim and opening 4 issues on github, i think i'm starting to get it |
| 00:07:31 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> lol |
| 00:07:36 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> still love the language |
| 00:07:54 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well python makes it easy it's 30 years old and types dont exist π |
| 00:08:40 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> downside is its flaws are also very mature and will never go away π |
| 00:08:59 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Pythons? |
| 00:09:03 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yeah |
| 00:09:42 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well they have no intention in fixing the flaws in the language design, lack of static types, whitespace stupidity and no actual private/public |
| 00:10:14 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Having to do `\` on multi-line statements is just odd |
| 00:10:32 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> have you done a lot of python before |
| 00:10:34 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Nope |
| 00:10:38 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yeah i figured |
| 00:10:44 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> those are baby issues |
| 00:10:45 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> lol |
| 00:10:57 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> lack of static types is a massive issue to me |
| 00:11:32 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> python was my first language and ive been using it forever so that never really bothered me |
| 00:11:37 | timdorohin | Even PHP finally has something akin to type checking |
| 00:11:47 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> when they introduced type annotations it was enough for me to not mess up |
| 00:12:23 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> and honestly duck typing is really nice if you have a lot of very similar objects floating around |
| 00:13:27 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> my real problems were its speed and the global interpreter lock |
| 00:13:42 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> and compared to nim its metaprogramming ability feels really archaic and useless |
| 00:13:59 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> and it has a terrible ffi |
| 00:14:40 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> and it's really hard to make executables |
| 00:14:45 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> and when you do they're massive and eat ram |
| 00:14:51 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i could go on |
| 00:15:08 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Also it's limited to the hardware it can run on π |
| 00:15:18 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yep! |
| 00:15:22 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Looks at micro python being slow as all balls on embedded |
| 00:15:35 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> you cant even control the memory at all |
| 00:15:45 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> like even your arrays are managed for you |
| 00:15:52 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> pissed me off sometimes |
| 00:16:17 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> idk why you'd try to use it on embedded unless you were too lazy to learn something like nim |
| 00:16:32 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Rpi is pushing it for the pico π |
| 00:17:09 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> get with the times rpi π nim is the next python |
| 00:17:47 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Dont ever say that again |
| 00:17:59 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> If nim is the next python i have to put my boots on and leave |
| 00:18:25 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> fiiine but can the compiler at least not crash every other day π |
| 00:18:31 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Mine doesnt π |
| 00:18:41 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i guess i just have a talent for breaking things |
| 00:18:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Write better code π |
| 00:18:59 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> writes new compiler |
| 00:23:11 | FromDiscord | <aryn> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Well they have no": > whitespace stupidityβ΅β΅you mean: IndentationError: Inconsistent use of tabs and spaces :mmCat: |
| 00:25:32 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> That and the `\` |
| 00:25:59 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i prefer nim's approach of spaces only |
| 00:26:16 | FromDiscord | <aryn> any good IDE can manage automatically jumping 4 spaces when you hit tab |
| 00:26:31 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ttw |
| 00:26:42 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well almost all editors default to 4 spaces for a tab |
| 00:26:56 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> You have to opt-in to use tabs, and as such most people that are for tabs dont actually use tabs π |
| 00:27:11 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> ~~I personally like tabs due to customizabillity~~ |
| 00:27:20 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> You wot? |
| 00:27:37 | FromDiscord | <aryn> all i need is the ability to have tab-esk behaviour |
| 00:27:43 | FromDiscord | <aryn> you hit tab is makes 4 spaces |
| 00:27:47 | FromDiscord | <aryn> or a tab char, either or |
| 00:27:55 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well that's the default in most editors |
| 00:28:17 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> No good reason not to use Pycharm |
| 00:28:29 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Tabs give the user customiziabillity for the indentation level without encoding it in the file, so they have control |
| 00:28:38 | FromDiscord | <aryn> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2Tty |
| 00:29:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> in order of most annoying |
| 00:31:28 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> oh yeah its import resolution is horrendous |
| 00:31:41 | FromDiscord | <aryn> ../ just.. isnt a thing |
| 00:31:53 | FromDiscord | <aryn> for no reason whatsoever, although nim has it. which makes me sane |
| 00:32:09 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> you have to do `from . import x.x` |
| 00:32:14 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> no it does not make sense |
| 00:32:20 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> no you cannot go further back than that |
| 00:32:27 | FromDiscord | <aryn> . is the current dir no? |
| 00:32:31 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yeah |
| 00:32:33 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yeah |
| 00:32:48 | FromDiscord | <aryn> iirc you can with some weird module hackery |
| 00:33:04 | FromDiscord | <aryn> but realistically just copying / simlinking the file is more appealing |
| 00:33:56 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> best part is when your IDE automatically includes subdirectories in the python path, so when you try to run it anywhere else the imports break |
| 00:35:43 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Thought the best part was when you're using annotated functions so the global variables are inaccessible to your scope without doing `global varName` |
| 00:35:53 | FromDiscord | <aryn> also i did not know '$' was a standard proc to implement. https://nim-lang.org/blog/2017/10/02/documenting-profiling-and-debugging-nim-code.html gives the impression its similar to the JVM toString method? |
| 00:36:03 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> It's the stringification operator |
| 00:36:07 | FromDiscord | <aryn> ye |
| 00:36:20 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> echo internally invokes it for all parameters |
| 00:36:27 | FromDiscord | <aryn> oh nice |
| 00:36:35 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So generally speaking if you want custom output you override it and it makes live better |
| 00:36:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Though Nim's default echo for types is very good |
| 00:36:47 | FromDiscord | <aryn> understandable |
| 00:37:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> similar to the JVM langs then |
| 00:37:25 | FromDiscord | <aryn> its often advised to override it since you just get memory addresses through the default implementation |
| 00:37:50 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well Nim's default on objects is very nice, it's `fieldname: value` |
| 00:37:58 | FromDiscord | <aryn> oh, nice |
| 00:38:08 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Though you cannot use it on ref objects |
| 00:38:14 | FromDiscord | <aryn> understandably so |
| 00:38:15 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Unless you manually dereference them |
| 00:38:21 | FromDiscord | <aryn> can you print memory locations? |
| 00:38:29 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> `ptr.repr` |
| 00:38:34 | FromDiscord | <aryn> ah |
| 00:38:40 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i couldnt get it the other day |
| 00:38:43 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> That shows the entire pointer indirection |
| 00:38:51 | FromDiscord | <aryn> lemme have a see |
| 00:39:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtA |
| 00:39:49 | FromDiscord | <aryn> indeed https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/822630474006003722/unknown.png |
| 00:40:15 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> oh thats cool i didnt know that |
| 00:40:22 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i was doing `cast[int](ptr)` |
| 00:40:38 | FromDiscord | <aryn> oh lol |
| 00:40:39 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well that's if you just want the highest pointer |
| 00:40:45 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> If you have nested pointers this will resolve it for you |
| 00:40:56 | FromDiscord | <aryn> like fields to an object? |
| 00:41:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> as a nested pointer |
| 00:41:14 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtB |
| 00:41:18 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i came from java/kotlin we have no pointers |
| 00:41:24 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well in java you have references |
| 00:41:30 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Pointers are just managed references |
| 00:41:36 | FromDiscord | <aryn> well yeah but its not exposed |
| 00:41:52 | FromDiscord | <aryn> ah so you make a pointer of a pointer of a pointer |
| 00:41:52 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> imagine accessing memoryβ΅this meme was made by python gang |
| 00:42:08 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well you dont often need the lowlevel stuff in Nim |
| 00:42:11 | FromDiscord | <aryn> java doesnt allow any actual access to memory either lmao |
| 00:42:23 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> It abstracts a lot of the low level very efficiently |
| 00:42:38 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i might try inject into some exes with nim, seems like it could do it fine |
| 00:42:51 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> The rule is "If C can do it Nim can do it" |
| 00:43:15 | FromDiscord | <aryn> well c / cpp is the preferred lang for some stuff like |
| 00:43:23 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> oh yeah? where is nim's `goto` π ? |
| 00:43:40 | FromDiscord | <aryn> proc |
| 00:43:41 | FromDiscord | <aryn> :^) |
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| 00:44:16 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtC |
| 00:44:26 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Goto is just hard to reason about |
| 00:45:22 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> ah but then it doesnt work in procs |
| 00:45:30 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> That works in procs |
| 00:45:38 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> no like a proc cant break out of hehe |
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| 00:45:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> What?> |
| 00:45:47 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> (edit) "What?>" => "What?" |
| 00:45:54 | FromDiscord | <aryn> well.. it wouldnt be in it? |
| 00:46:06 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> sorry i meant procs dont work in it |
| 00:46:11 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> not it doesnt work in procs |
| 00:46:13 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Uhh |
| 00:46:20 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> They should |
| 00:46:48 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> you can break out of blocks in another scope with a proc? |
| 00:46:55 | FromDiscord | <aryn> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtE |
| 00:47:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtE" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtF" |
| 00:47:04 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Ah you're right |
| 00:47:07 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I figured it'd work |
| 00:47:20 | FromDiscord | <aryn> you can break hoho tho |
| 00:47:27 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i tried to make a `goto` macro for fun and this was my one roadblock to making it work |
| 00:47:45 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well it's a silly thing to make, so there's your first problem π |
| 00:47:50 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> But let's see |
| 00:47:54 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> but i want it π’ |
| 00:47:57 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Why? |
| 00:48:01 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> for fun π |
| 00:50:12 | FromDiscord | <aryn> in other news: OVH almost went on fire agan |
| 00:50:13 | FromDiscord | <aryn> (edit) "agan" => "again" |
| 00:50:35 | FromDiscord | <aryn> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2TtG |
| 00:51:07 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> π³ |
| 00:52:41 | FromDiscord | <aryn> :iOSFlushed: |
| 00:55:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Seems like if you turned each scope into a anonymous procedure you could then make a procedure per scope then replace the `goto name` with a procedure call π |
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| 00:56:36 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yeah thats actually how i implemented it at first |
| 00:56:41 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> two problems though |
| 00:57:07 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> 1. if you goto within the proc, you end up getting nested, and then code after the goto will be executed eventually |
| 00:57:28 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> 2. if you solve that by adding return, it wont work outside an anonymous procedure |
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| 00:58:19 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> now this could be done if there was a way to detect the scope at compile time |
| 00:58:56 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> There is though |
| 00:59:07 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> what is it |
| 00:59:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> give me a second |
| 01:00:11 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> also even if you add the return, making a loop with goto will probably trigger the recursion limit |
| 01:00:25 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> maybe there's a way around that though |
| 01:00:36 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well recursion limit is a debug only thing |
| 01:00:40 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> oh really |
| 01:00:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well there is a stack limit |
| 01:00:56 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> But the debug builds have a recursion limit of like 1000 i think |
| 01:01:02 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> 2000 yeah |
| 01:01:07 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> but i mean |
| 01:01:12 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> is a stack limit any better lol |
| 01:06:48 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-asmnostackframe-pragma |
| 01:06:49 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> @ShadowElf37 here is my silly solution https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtK |
| 01:07:04 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> lmao this code |
| 01:07:26 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> also look at that link it might fix the nesting |
| 01:08:06 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Seems like i might be wrong with the break outer but meh |
| 01:08:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Close enough π |
| 01:10:22 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i cant even test edge cases cause there's no macro but i have a feeling that changing this even slightly will break lmao |
| 01:10:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Hey you're the one that wanted to make goto |
| 01:10:55 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I fully believe it's doable with a macro |
| 01:11:02 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> uh huh |
| 01:11:06 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> make it then π |
| 01:11:16 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Sorry i only make macros for useful things |
| 01:11:31 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> thats what i thought π |
| 01:12:21 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well you havent provided evidence it's impossible to implement |
| 01:12:27 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So get back to me when you d |
| 01:12:29 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> (edit) "d" => "do" |
| 01:13:03 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> i'll make one that's so tantalizingly close to working that you cant help but fix it for me π |
| 01:16:38 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Bet you wont |
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| 01:24:59 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TtN |
| 01:25:12 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> checkmate i win |
| 01:25:24 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Except you didnt prove anything |
| 01:25:40 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> compiler will think its undefined no matter what |
| 01:25:59 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> goto and section could subscribe the body into a macrocache that then requires openning with `impl(forward)` |
| 01:26:43 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> ok that might actually be a better way to approach this ngl |
| 01:27:49 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well my block statment does the same thing just without the impl step |
| 01:28:15 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> `goto` would enable goto inside the code, then replace it with then entire generated procedures + goto logic |
| 01:28:47 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> ok but having a macro at the top that just rewrites everything is cheating |
| 01:28:59 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Literally how you're supposed to use macros to solve problems |
| 01:29:17 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> yeah but it's not really like goto if i have to do that |
| 01:29:45 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well it's not apart of the language so you cannot get it 1:1 |
| 01:30:25 | FromDiscord | <ShadowElf37> not with that attitude you cant π |
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| 03:19:35 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Pointers are just managed": heh, are you sure beef? ;p |
| 03:19:50 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I had that backwards |
| 03:19:52 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> π |
| 03:20:45 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I think i meant "unmanaged" but didnt write it |
| 03:21:03 | FromDiscord | <exelotl> managed... by you :P |
| 03:21:09 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> haha |
| 03:22:22 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I wonder if prestige is farming the food for his meal himself π |
| 03:23:16 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Said he'd talk to me this evening, almost 10pm now π |
| 03:43:51 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> is there any form of sequence or array in nim that can store different values |
| 03:44:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> You mean like float/int? |
| 03:44:27 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> I mean like a seqence and a float |
| 03:44:35 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Homogenous only |
| 03:44:53 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Wrap in an object variant if you need multiple kinds |
| 03:46:53 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Quite simple thing to do https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Tuc |
| 03:49:24 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> I'm just going to show my code and ask if it's possible |
| 03:50:00 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I mean i just showed it is π |
| 03:50:41 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> no I mean what I want to do |
| 03:50:43 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Tud |
| 03:51:15 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> if you look at the get_neighbors proc |
| 03:51:32 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> distances.add train_row, dist |
| 03:51:48 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> and then I want to sort that data |
| 03:53:09 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> You havent explained where the boxed values are needed, or why |
| 03:53:51 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> because train_row and dist are a seq[float] and a float respectively |
| 03:54:36 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> so add train row then add dist |
| 03:54:42 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> then it'd just be floats |
| 03:56:25 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> you think that would work? |
| 03:56:40 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well i dont know what the underlying logic is, but if you just want them all together in a single list that'd work |
| 03:57:02 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> there is a `seq.add(openArray[T])` |
| 03:57:08 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So i know it'd technically work |
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| 04:26:18 | Prestige | Hey @ElegantBeef I'm hopping on discord now if you're available |
| 04:26:30 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> ok |
| 04:36:04 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> why does nim only have homogenous iterables |
| 04:38:27 | leorize[m] | homogenous iterables? |
| 04:45:28 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Wait until you see field or fieldPairs |
| 05:22:53 | Prestige | Beef I added you to the repo if you wanted to use it for testing - it's the scriptloader branch we were on |
| 05:23:39 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Ok |
| 05:26:17 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Eh! My tests pass! |
| 05:29:47 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well i ticked the version to 0.2.0 so if you wanna give that a whirl to save me a minute π |
| 05:31:09 | Prestige | same error it seems |
| 05:31:34 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I cant even get it to compile |
| 05:31:51 | Prestige | deps issue? |
| 05:32:06 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> `prestigebot.nim(50, 12) Error: undeclared field: 'text' for type irc.IrcEvent [declared in /home/jason/.nimble/pkgs/irc-0.3.0/irc.nim(85, 3)]` |
| 05:32:34 | Prestige | need to update irc module |
| 05:33:53 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I have 0.3.0 |
| 05:34:05 | Prestige | looks like they didnt publish a new release |
| 05:34:17 | Prestige | I installed it locally |
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| 05:37:15 | Prestige | or you can just change it to raw instead of text if you want |
| 05:37:24 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Eh i just installed #head |
| 05:45:00 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So seems `createInterpreter` just doesnt respect the `std/` searching the system path |
| 05:46:56 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So now you can just `cp` the Nim stdlib to the project and just replace all `std/`, but that's not great |
| 05:47:02 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Have to investigate why it doesnt work further |
| 06:02:52 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Saem what're you working on? |
| 06:03:08 | saem | Learning about converters |
| 06:03:23 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Just remove them π |
| 06:03:25 | saem | And making sure I understand that and typerels |
| 06:08:35 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Ah i've found the issue with it prestige when you imported options it imported typetrait which then attempted to get a std import relative to itself for whatever reason which generated this import path `/stdlib/pure/stdlib/core/macros.nim` |
| 06:08:58 | Prestige | oh, nice |
| 06:09:01 | Prestige | hmm |
| 06:09:22 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Nervously reasons about a solution in the compiler |
| 06:16:03 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Hey i think i have viable solution |
| 06:16:10 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Though idk if it'll be accepted π |
| 06:16:18 | saem | What ya thinking? |
| 06:18:05 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Actually this is easier than i thought, so it's just a single else |
| 06:19:32 | saem | Ideally it's less conditionals. :D |
| 06:21:11 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well ideally we dont add the current path to a module path if it's prefixed with `std` |
| 06:21:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/compiler/options.nim#L811 |
| 06:23:06 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Hence the issue i had since typetraits is inside `pure` it appended `stdlib/pure/` to the start for the `std/macros` import statement which was found at `core/macros` |
| 06:24:05 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> This version works for me but i'm uncertain if it breaks the actual compiler https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TuE |
| 06:25:19 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So let's hope the compiler builds and tests pass π |
| 06:28:36 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Also saem good job again on fixing nimsuggest, was so much less tedious to go around after properly opening the compiler folder |
| 06:29:48 | saem | Aww, thanks! But it's lots of other people's work. |
| 06:30:15 | saem | I'm noticing it becoming easier and easier too though, which is awesome. |
| 06:30:30 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Ah, thought the vscode spawning was the main issue π |
| 06:32:44 | saem | Oh, that's another thing. |
| 06:34:06 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Tests are passing, and i'm nervously sweating |
| 06:34:48 | saem | I would look at the tests, you might be able to throw in a few more tests to cover the bases. |
| 06:35:07 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I'm testing all cause i touched the module find logic |
| 06:35:11 | saem | I'm doing that now for converters now. |
| 06:45:30 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> anyone know of a np.zeroes like function for nim |
| 06:46:03 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Nim auto inits memory |
| 06:46:10 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> So it's just `newSeq(size)` |
| 06:46:31 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> doesnt np.zero only apply to arrays |
| 06:46:49 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Arrays have to be compile time constant size |
| 06:46:53 | FromDiscord | <InventorMatt> if you use arraymancer you can create a zeros tensor of arbitrary size |
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| 06:48:11 | FromDiscord | <Livingstone> In reply to @InventorMatt "if you use arraymancer": does it also have a .shape like method? |
| 06:48:39 | FromDiscord | <InventorMatt> yes it does |
| 07:00:16 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well prestige if that PR gets accepted you should be able to use the devel compiler and have it work π |
| 07:41:44 | ForumUpdaterBot | New Nimble package! spacenimtraders - A new awesome nimble package, see https://github.com/ire4ever1190/SpaceNimTraders |
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| 07:43:29 | FromDiscord | <hobbledehoy> nice |
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| 08:20:15 | FromDiscord | <be> Now i'm waiting for doom being as nimble package |
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| 08:47:51 | FromDiscord | <Rika> REST API doom? |
| 08:51:40 | FromDiscord | <mischa_u> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Also saem good job": where can I get this fix? |
| 08:51:47 | FromDiscord | <mischa_u> (edit) "where" => "where/how" |
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| 08:55:27 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> I mean just use saems nimsuggest extension and a devel nimsuggest |
| 08:55:55 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Oh boy i've started with the "i mean" again |
| 08:55:56 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Shoot me |
| 08:58:53 | FromGitter | <bung87> /Users/bung/.nimble/pkgs/chronos-2.6.1/chronos/asyncsync.nim(301, 27) Error: type mismatch: got <WriteItem> but expected 'Future[asyncstream.WriteItem]' β /Users/bung/.nimble/pkgs/chronos-2.6.1/chronos/streams/chunkstream.nim(164, 20) Error: attempting to call routine: 'await' |
| 08:59:20 | FromDiscord | <Rika> youre awaiting a sync proc? |
| 08:59:25 | FromGitter | <bung87> why nim doc raise so much error ? I still dont know the reason after one year |
| 09:00:29 | FromGitter | <bung87> no, it report code in chronos, I dont modified it |
| 09:02:04 | FromDiscord | <Goel> How does it work the live "Nim in Action" by Manning? Is there a limit in how many pages i can view each day? |
| 09:04:23 | Prestige | @ElegantBeef sweet! |
| 09:45:15 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by HJarausch: Gimp plugin? , see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7665 |
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| 10:21:19 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by Oyster: 'ord' cannot be passed to a procvar, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7666 |
| 10:37:08 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> I may have broken the nim forums, I made a user but the verification email never came so I deleted my user and tried to re-create it. Now I get an `unknwon error occured` π¦ |
| 10:53:10 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> Hello. I recently found Nim language and wanted to jump right to deep water. I'm trying to make kernel with Nim. Found nimkernel and JackOS from Github. Can't get either of them to compile (and run). I've tried to play around with `--os:any` or `--os:standalone` and `--gc:arc` or `--gc:standalone` and end up errors like:β΅`Error: system module needs: nimErrorFlag` or `fatal error: string.h No such file or directory` or `Error: Port memor |
| 11:04:43 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> probably faq but how do you generate `n` unique random numbers in some range? |
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| 11:05:39 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> In reply to @jtiai "Hello. I recently found": did you try `--gc:none`? |
| 11:06:33 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "did you try `--gc:none`?": Not yet. |
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| 11:14:42 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "probably faq but how": hmm, one solution is to make a set and use `random.sample` |
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| 11:17:19 | FromDiscord | <Solitude> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "probably faq but how": rand range and add that to set? |
| 11:18:24 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> In reply to @Solitude "rand range and add": this has serious effeciency problems |
| 11:22:33 | FromDiscord | <Rika> try it first |
| 11:25:50 | FromDiscord | <Goel> `A forward declaration contains no procedure body, just the procedureβs name, parameters, and return type.β΅A future version of Nim will likely remove the need for forward declarations and allow procedures to be defined in any order.` Really? |
| 11:26:10 | FromDiscord | <Solitude> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "this has serious effeciency": you want them unique |
| 11:27:29 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> yes, but it's ineffective to add the same element to a set. it's smarter to generate the whole range and pop elements. |
| 11:27:43 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> another way I thought of is using `shuffle` on a seq |
| 11:28:18 | FromDiscord | <Rika> In reply to @Goel "`A forward declaration contains": what do you mean> |
| 11:28:21 | FromDiscord | <Rika> yeah really |
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| 11:39:48 | liblq-dev | @sealmove https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Twq |
| 11:39:51 | liblq-dev | this is as efficient as it can get |
| 11:40:32 | liblq-dev | maybe you can make it even more efficient if you use an array instead of a seq but i wrote this for general-purpose use and sometimes `amount` isn't determined at compile time |
| 11:56:03 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Um.. These are not unique :s |
| 11:56:41 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Nice helper proc though |
| 11:59:36 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> @sealmove do your numbers fit into a bitset? |
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| 12:01:17 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> they can exceed 1_000_000 |
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| 12:02:05 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> Then maybe use a perfect hash |
| 12:02:27 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> What's the limit for bitset? |
| 12:03:06 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> (u)int16 iirc |
| 12:03:32 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> In reply to @Clyybber "Then maybe use a": First time I hear this term |
| 12:04:15 | m4r35n357 | I have asked half-jokingly about 128 bit floats before, but does anyone here know if this is on any roadmap? |
| 12:05:41 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> https://nim-lang.org/docs/compiler/bitsets.html#bitSetCard%2CTBitSet maybe it supports more than int16? |
| 12:06:20 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> I dont think so |
| 12:07:11 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> discard the perfect hash idea, I think they require too much storage |
| 12:07:26 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> maybe just iterate through the range |
| 12:07:57 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> and yield an element with a certain probability |
| 12:08:40 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> the probability should be 1 for the last element should it be reached |
| 12:08:49 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> For now I generate the range as a seq, then use shuffle, them iterate the seq and read first `n` elements. |
| 12:09:01 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> the issue is that floats are probably too imprecise |
| 12:09:16 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> but we have rationals |
| 12:09:26 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> tho theres a maximum |
| 12:09:49 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "For now I generate": heh then your range cant be that big |
| 12:10:10 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Because of space inefficiency? |
| 12:11:10 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> The range is height width bytesPerPixel of a png image |
| 12:11:42 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> aah I see |
| 12:12:06 | FromDiscord | <clyybber> why not sample width and height seperately then? |
| 12:12:38 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> That's a good idea π₯³ |
| 12:13:50 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Width, height, and byte of pixel can be sampled seperatly . |
| 12:16:42 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> But hmm, in this case 2 pixels of the same row or same column will never be picked? |
| 12:20:03 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Nvm. Obviously if I sample separately, I won't use shuffle, but use a bitset of (x, y, z) tuple instead. |
| 12:21:59 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> The only way to prevent assignment to a particular field is to write override procs in the form of ``proc `field=`(obj: var T) {.error: "Cannot assign to constnat field.}``? |
| 12:22:43 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> Or have it in a separate module and not provide the setter at all? |
| 12:25:05 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> This would work too, though I think it is better to be more explicit. I'm thinking how I should handle `const T` fields when wrapping C/C++ |
| 12:30:01 | m4r35n357 | clybber was "the issue is that floats are probably too imprecise" aimed at me? |
| 12:30:08 | m4r35n357 | hard to tell . . . |
| 12:42:34 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Is there anything that can't be made in nim? |
| 12:42:41 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Could a kernel be written in nim? |
| 12:42:56 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> yes, https://github.com/dom96/nimkernel |
| 12:43:25 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Even a game engine? |
| 12:44:07 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> Yes. Basically anything you can do in any other general-purpose programming language |
| 12:45:19 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> who do I need to talk to, to fix my account on the nim forums is that only araq? |
| 12:45:35 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> Also dom |
| 12:46:03 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> thanks hax π |
| 12:50:34 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> I used nimble to download fltk, but the nim compiler says there's an error when importing fltk. |
| 12:52:14 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> What's the error? |
| 12:52:50 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> And are you compiling with c++ as it says to do in the docs? |
| 12:54:27 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TwP |
| 12:56:06 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TwT |
| 13:01:03 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> Have you installed nim via `choosenim`, or your distro's package manager? |
| 13:01:28 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> And installed `fltk` with `nimble install fltk`, correct? |
| 13:01:47 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> I installed nim by downloading it directly from a tarball and setup the paths. I then did `nimble install fltk` as you said. |
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| 13:04:20 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Hang on. I think I could make a symlink from the /bin directory to the /pkg/bin directory |
| 13:04:28 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> I'm not sure how things work when installing from tarball, but `nimble install` should download installed package in `~/.nimble/pkgs`, and then `nim cpp test.nim` should pick it up from there. So you should check if the package is downloaded correctly, |
| 13:04:45 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> because ~/.nimble/bin is in the path and fltk is in ~/.nimble/pkg/bin/ |
| 13:06:51 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Forget it. I'll just install via git. |
| 13:06:59 | FromDiscord | <Valdar> if you do "nimble list --installed", does fltk show up? |
| 13:09:21 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> For some reason, nimble ONLY installed the nimble file, but didn't install the nim files required for fltk. By downloading the nim files myself from github, it compiled successfully. |
| 13:10:53 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Do you think this is a bug? |
| 13:13:33 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> `nflt` package is broken actually - it has `srcDir = "src"`, but all files are placed on toplevel |
| 13:14:16 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> So it works if you clone it directly, (because `test.nim` is located at toplevel, `import fltk` works resolves to relative path) |
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| 13:15:21 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> But when you try to install it via package manager nimble puts source files form `srcDir` on toplevel, and because there are none you get β΅> "didn't install the nim files required for fltk" |
| 13:17:13 | FromDiscord | <txtincome> Can nim do bash like interpolation. ${} and that sort of thing. |
| 13:17:40 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> there are a coyuple of ways to do that in nim https://nim-lang.org/docs/strformat.html |
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| 13:46:43 | FromDiscord | <ttx> Can I have the compiler enforce styles such as how the variables are named or if a function is in camel case vs snake case? |
| 13:49:50 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> `--styleCheck:off|hint|error` |
| 13:50:04 | FromDiscord | <Rika> will enforce camel only |
| 13:50:08 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> Though it only checks for compliance with nep1 yes |
| 13:50:17 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> (edit) removed "yes" |
| 13:50:24 | FromDiscord | <ttx> What if I want to make custom rules? |
| 13:50:58 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> Not supported, though it takes about eight lines to resuse `compiler/parser` |
| 13:51:30 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> So you can write your own linter |
| 13:51:40 | FromDiscord | <ttx> How would you recommend enforcing a style guide? By the compiler? A static checker? |
| 13:52:25 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> I would recommend using `--styleCheck` if this is enough for you, otherwise you can start from https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Tx9 and add your rules |
| 13:52:56 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> `compiler` package is not available on playground so it doesn't compile |
| 13:54:06 | FromDiscord | <ttx> Since nim is written in nim, I could always make my own nim compiler with changes to the rules. |
| 13:54:12 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/2Txb |
| 13:56:11 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @zidsal "is there a way": I suppose not. Actually I haven't seen this feature used particularly often, so I doubt it will give a fine-grained control over different warnings |
| 13:56:32 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> boo, thats a shame I want to add it to my pre-commit hook |
| 13:57:10 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @ttx "Since nim is written": Exactly. Actually working with nim ast from compiler is just as simple as writing macros (I might argue it is even easier since you just have single program instead of compile/runtime separation) |
| 14:10:22 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> In reply to @ΰΈ£ΡΰΈΙΰΉΰΉΧ©Ρ "did you try `--gc:none`?": Tried `--gc: none` now and error changed to `fatal error: setjmp.h: No such file or directory` |
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| 14:55:49 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by Icedquinn: Found article on concurrency: "Go statement considered harmful", see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7667 |
| 15:07:06 | giaco__ | I'm trying to understand a bit more some nim internals, could you please help me understand why this iterator would not work if "if" to check value type at runtime, but would work by proc overloading? https://nim-lang.org/docs/iterators.html#fieldPairs.i%2CT |
| 15:10:50 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @giaco_ because value can be of different types, and in Nim a single value can't be of two possible types decided at runtime |
| 15:10:50 | FromDiscord | <Rika> because its a compile time thing |
| 15:11:19 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> the same reason as to why you can't use `if` to switch on types in generic procedures |
| 15:18:32 | giaco__ | but in that same example, if I replace the "when" block with a simple "echo value.type" I'm getting the correct output |
| 15:18:52 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> because "value.type" is resolved at compile time |
| 15:19:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/822851821961478214/unknown.png |
| 15:19:36 | giaco__ | is this due to the fact that fieldPairs is unrolled? |
| 15:22:06 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> no, it's due to the fact that there's no such thing as `typeof` (type is an alias for that) at runtime |
| 15:22:23 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you actually can get type info at runtime with https://nim-lang.org/docs/typeinfo.html , but this is RTTI and I would recommend against it |
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| 15:48:00 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by Dabod: Can application access to orc interface?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7668 |
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| 16:12:31 | giaco__ | Yardanico: thanks, I've got the problem by reading about RTTI and typeinfo, thanks |
| 16:14:51 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Is ``rdstdin`` not supposed to be listed on the lib page? <https://nim-lang.org/docs/lib.html> |
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| 16:20:15 | liblq-dev | it's supposed to be there, but no one is bothered to update that page |
| 16:22:25 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> there are lots of modules that are supposed to be there, but aren't, see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/16656 |
| 16:23:32 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Anything I can do to help? |
| 16:24:24 | leorize[m] | you can help us add the missing modules there :) |
| 16:24:38 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> How do I do that? |
| 16:26:54 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> I think this is source of standard library list page:β΅https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/doc/lib.rst |
| 16:27:06 | leorize[m] | that's correct |
| 16:28:46 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> In reply to @no name fits "How do I do": you can submit a PR to add the links, this is the relevant file: <https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/doc/lib.rst> |
| 16:29:51 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> So I fork it, fix it and do a PR? |
| 16:29:57 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Is it a generated file? |
| 16:30:04 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> yes and no |
| 16:30:09 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Alright |
| 16:30:17 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> you can just edit the file |
| 16:30:21 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Cool, cool |
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| 16:35:51 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TxY |
| 16:36:33 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> To be honest it takes ~20 lines to write your own linter that would check for whatever style you want |
| 16:36:49 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> fair enough π |
| 16:37:04 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> And just compile it to binary, wrap it in `cligen` and you get your post-commit hook |
| 16:37:36 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @zidsal "fair enough π": You want to check for snake case vs camel case style or something else? |
| 16:37:45 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> pretty much |
| 16:37:55 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> or that enums start with a Capital if they are pure e.t.c |
| 16:39:12 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> how exactly do you hook into you're code to lint it |
| 16:39:53 | FromDiscord | <aryn> so where should i report a scammer thats in this server |
| 16:40:27 | FromDiscord | <aryn> not sure if @ Moderator is for IRC or here |
| 16:42:35 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> do you mean @makel11? |
| 16:42:38 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yeah lol |
| 16:42:57 | FromDiscord | <aryn> unless its a troll, but i doubt it |
| 16:43:03 | FromDiscord | <aryn> new account aswell |
| 16:43:15 | FromDiscord | <aryn> why join here of all places :blobCatThink: |
| 16:43:28 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> he started with that classic "I don't want to sound weird but I made a mistake regarding your steam account" |
| 16:43:32 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yee |
| 16:43:42 | FromDiscord | <aryn> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/822873039624208425/unknown.png |
| 16:43:47 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> and then was about to say that he reported it for scamming and its about to get banned |
| 16:44:31 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i thought it was gonna be like, oh wow do you wanna play games sometime π |
| 16:44:43 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> π |
| 16:44:47 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> This all sounds plausible so far, why would someone lie on the internet |
| 16:44:52 | FromDiscord | <aryn> oh true |
| 16:44:55 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i really should be worried |
| 16:45:10 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> I just said nt fucking scammer rat and he blocked me instantly |
| 16:45:29 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> I once played along with those steam scammers to see what they will do |
| 16:45:58 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yea i do normally, i just cba today |
| 16:46:00 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> the scammer I tried that with sent me a "steam admin's" discord |
| 16:46:12 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> so obvious |
| 16:46:22 | FromDiscord | <Cloudperry> like at least make a fake steam supp website or something π |
| 16:46:30 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> So what category should these modules be under? @konsumlamm |
| 16:46:46 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> I'd hate to put something in the wrong place |
| 16:46:47 | FromDiscord | <aryn> so do we ping @ Moderator? or is that an IRC thing |
| 16:47:20 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @aryn check the description, yes |
| 16:47:24 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yeah i saw that |
| 16:47:32 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> so who is it? can you PM me with the details? |
| 16:47:39 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @zidsal "or that enums start": https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ty6 |
| 16:47:39 | FromDiscord | <aryn> <@&371760044473319454@makel11 lol |
| 16:47:45 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> i might not look like one, but I'm a moderator as well :P |
| 16:47:45 | FromDiscord | <aryn> https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/822873042182078474 |
| 16:47:50 | FromDiscord | <aryn> oh lol |
| 16:47:57 | FromDiscord | <aryn> yeah everyone having white throws me off |
| 16:48:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i use compact mode aswell |
| 16:48:51 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @haxscramper "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ty6": It might be very hard to actually start using compiler API for the first time (lack of examples is the biggest issue), but it could be used as a starting point |
| 16:48:57 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> @haxscramper it didn't even clock to me, that you could import the compiler I'm going to have fun with this |
| 16:49:09 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ty7 |
| 16:49:26 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ty7" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Ty8" |
| 16:49:42 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> GC_fullCollect() shouldn't really be used unless you absolutely have to |
| 16:49:52 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it forces the GC to collect whatever garbage there |
| 16:49:59 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> In reply to @Yardanico "GC_fullCollect() shouldn't really be": sure, but I mean at the end of the program, just before it exits |
| 16:50:08 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @brainproxy there's no need |
| 16:50:12 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> the OS will free all the memory itself |
| 16:50:31 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> In reply to @no name fits "So what category should": whatever category you find appropriate, reviewers will correct you if they think it's wrong |
| 16:50:34 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> was there an issue at some point with older Nim where not having it would cause a problem? |
| 16:50:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> no? |
| 16:51:05 | FromDiscord | <Rika> How old are we talking about |
| 16:51:13 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Cool, I'll try. It's probably all super wrong |
| 16:51:18 | FromDiscord | <Rika> Sounds like a really old version if so |
| 16:52:48 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> I don't think that there ever was a thing like that |
| 16:52:57 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @brainproxy can you link to the example where that was written? |
| 16:53:25 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> In reply to @zidsal "<@!608382355454951435> it didn't even": It is also possible to get typed AST, though it is comparatively more involved. See https://github.com/haxscramper/haxdoc/blob/4adb04e764af6606fcfdde11f02c03ee9e17ab90/src/haxdoc/compiler_aux.nim#L48 for example |
| 16:54:00 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> in "Hello World" example here: https://filcuc.github.io/nimqml/β΅β΅and I've seen it some other places as well, can't think of exact ones at the moment |
| 16:54:47 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> @konsumlamm <https://nim-lang.github.io/Nim/assertions.html> says that system reexports it, so would that be an internal module? |
| 16:54:57 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> I'm just going by your list |
| 16:55:14 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> it's not internal, it's just imported by default |
| 16:55:42 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @brainproxy that's really weird |
| 16:55:49 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> maybe it's related to nimqml? |
| 16:55:55 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> it's also linked in `system` |
| 16:56:02 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> so under automatic imports? |
| 16:57:57 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> ye |
| 16:58:52 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> In reply to @Yardanico "maybe it's related to": not sure, I took it out of the codebase I'm working (which uses NimQml) and it doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 16:58:57 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> In reply to @brainproxy "not sure, I took": exactly |
| 16:59:03 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> the OS always frees memory of the app when it exists |
| 16:59:04 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> (edit) "exists" => "exits" |
| 16:59:08 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> no matter which language you write it in |
| 16:59:36 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> yep, makes sense, I just wondered why some people do like that (and my team's project got it as a copy/pasta, I guess) |
| 16:59:49 | FromDiscord | <brainproxy> anyway, doesn't seem to be a point to it, so getting rid of it |
| 16:59:56 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> @konsumlamm Does it make sense to make a section for the unstable stuff, or should I fit it under the existing sections? |
| 17:00:40 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> i wouldn't put it in the existing sections, either a new one or don't add them |
| 17:00:55 | FromDiscord | <konsumlamm> again, just do what you think is right, people will correct you |
| 17:01:20 | FromDiscord | <no name fits> Sorry |
| 17:04:48 | saem | Yay, it's the weekend. Time to do fun things in the compiler! |
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| 17:22:51 | FromDiscord | <dom96> hmm, we don't have any way to access the capacity of a seq do we? |
| 17:23:38 | FromDiscord | <aryn> .len? |
| 17:24:17 | jfondren[m] | http://zevv.nl/nim-memory/ reverse-engineers it for illustrative purposes |
| 17:24:43 | FromDiscord | <dom96> https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/97 |
| 17:24:57 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @aryn ".len?": that's not the same as a seqs capacity |
| 17:25:59 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @jfondren "http://zevv.nl/nim-memory/ reverse-engineers it for": nice, thanks |
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| 17:29:27 | FromDiscord | <dom96> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Tyl |
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| 17:32:09 | FromDiscord | <dom96> weirdly in my app the capacity and len are the same |
| 17:34:24 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by Nealie: Norm & Functions, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7670 |
| 17:34:59 | FromDiscord | <aryn> In reply to @dom96 "that's not the same": oh misread the q ll |
| 17:35:00 | FromDiscord | <aryn> (edit) "ll" => "lol" |
| 17:44:35 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @dom96 wdym "weirdly"? how do you create the seq? |
| 17:46:02 | FromDiscord | <dom96> same as I do in the play link |
| 17:46:07 | FromDiscord | <dom96> dunno what's going on |
| 17:46:12 | giaco__ | I am generating bindings starting from wsdl soap definitions. I can generate bot C and C++ from wsdl, but I don't know which one to pick to make my life easier with c2nim/nimterop. Any hint? |
| 17:46:23 | giaco__ | s/bot/both |
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| 17:52:24 | saem | could go from wsdl straight to nim if you're up for writing the generator I suppose. I would use C, that's entirely based upon the C backend seems to get more traffic/love. |
| 18:00:00 | FromDiscord | <Ayy Lmao> I'm a noob so this is likely a stupid question. I am reading numbers from a data stream that I know to be big endian, and I am using https://github.com/treeform/flatty/blob/master/src/flatty/binny.nim to read them. I am finding I have to call `swap` after I read them to get the right numbers. Would needing to call `swap` be system dependent? If so, how do I account for that? |
| 18:00:59 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> use maybeSwap |
| 18:02:03 | FromDiscord | <Ayy Lmao> What do I pass into the enable bool? |
| 18:02:12 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> `maybeSwap(cpuEndian == littleEndian) # will only swap if you're on LE` |
| 18:02:22 | FromDiscord | <Ayy Lmao> Cool, I |
| 18:02:25 | FromDiscord | <Ayy Lmao> I'll try iit |
| 18:02:33 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#cpuEndian |
| 18:04:10 | FromDiscord | <Ayy Lmao> That seems to work, thanks! |
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| 18:26:55 | giaco__ | saem: no, I'm not writing a generator, I think it would be a huge effort |
| 18:31:42 | giaco__ | I'm using gsoap to turn it into C/C++, then I work it out with nim |
| 18:32:18 | giaco__ | but I don't have a lot of experience with bindings |
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| 19:08:00 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> how do you forward declare a variable, initialize its value later, but keep it immutable after the first assignment? :P |
| 19:09:39 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you don't since you said yourself "initialize it later" :P |
| 19:09:48 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> i mean you technically can do it with `unsafeAddr` |
| 19:10:15 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TyN |
| 19:10:19 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> ah |
| 19:10:24 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> yeah the nim compiler won't let you do this :) |
| 19:10:29 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> ^^ |
| 19:10:35 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> but why do you want this |
| 19:11:44 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TyO |
| 19:12:22 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> The reason I want it is complicated, which means there is probably a better solution :P |
| 19:12:27 | FromDiscord | <haxscramper> I sometimes do this when I need to fill `const` in a loop or something |
| 19:12:27 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> x y problem maybe? |
| 19:12:33 | ozzz | guys how to check if file already opened by open(logfile, logfile_name, fmAppend) |
| 19:12:36 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> @DefinitelyNotYardanico yes |
| 19:12:36 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @haxscramper yeah, same, but I think in sealmove's case it's different |
| 19:13:57 | ozzz | would it be ok if I declare var logfile: File = nil |
| 19:14:50 | ozzz | and befort open, do some verification - if logfile == nil then... etc |
| 19:14:57 | ozzz | ? |
| 19:15:06 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> yes |
| 19:15:17 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> But it's only possible because `File` is actually a pointer to a c FILE |
| 19:15:32 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> so you can do it your way, but I'd recommend doing it some other way to not rely on internal details :) |
| 19:16:07 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> but well, the fundamental problem in my code is that I am generating (potentially) recursive parsers, and each parser is actually a variable declared with `let` which holds 2 procs (get, put). |
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| 19:16:18 | ozzz | I just started discovering nim, so I still think as in C |
| 19:16:34 | ozzz | Yardanico, thanks a lot |
| 19:17:12 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> type declaration has no problem since recursive types work in nim, but it errors when generating the return type of the field, which is the same type as the return type of the outer parser |
| 19:17:32 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> (edit) "type declaration has no problem since recursive types work in nim, but it errors when generating the return type of the ... field," added "parser of the" |
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| 19:20:21 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TyQ |
| 19:28:55 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> why not have some kind of an interface object instead of a let? |
| 19:29:03 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> well, you'd still need to have it as `var` but still |
| 19:29:12 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> honestly I need more code to understand the problem :P |
| 19:36:46 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> oh wait, tuples do not support recursion, right? |
| 19:36:52 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> you need an object type for this |
| 19:38:27 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @sealmove tuples cannot be self-recursive of course, but if you have a tuple of two procs then it's just two proc pointers |
| 19:39:47 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> yes, problem is... the `get` proc always returns a tuple with the fields... |
| 19:41:14 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @sealmove btw, I tried binarylang and it fails for me |
| 19:41:33 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2TyU |
| 19:41:46 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> there is a dependency, bitstreams |
| 19:41:55 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> but it didn't install when I installed binarylang from nimble |
| 19:42:04 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> that's weird |
| 19:42:06 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> ah it actually did |
| 19:42:21 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> but readme doesn't specify that you have to import bitstreams anywhere ;) |
| 19:42:35 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> any reason you don't just export bitstreams? |
| 19:42:36 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> yes, i fixed this. binarylang now export it |
| 19:42:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> :D |
| 19:42:50 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> i think i fixed it yesterday |
| 19:44:52 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> don't forget to bump nimble ver when you update stuff, or use github tags |
| 19:45:28 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> haven't learned how these work, but I plan to learn soon |
| 19:45:59 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> normal "tag" in git is just a pointer to a commit |
| 19:46:02 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> binarylang is only now approaching some stability. right now it's changing too much |
| 19:46:04 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> you just create a tag on some commit - that's a release |
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| 19:51:29 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> never done it before, but it sounds very easy. i did the docs recently, soon there will be versioning too. slowly it turns into a real project ^^ |
| 19:51:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> or at least just bump the nimble ver, so that if you do "nimble install" or stuff it'll update |
| 19:52:22 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> yeah, doesn't `nimble install` always download the latest version? |
| 19:52:50 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> (edit) "yeah," => "wait," |
| 19:52:59 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it does but it'll ask to overwrite because it's the same version |
| 19:53:09 | FromDiscord | <sealmove> oh I see |
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| 20:16:32 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> a `{.global.}` pragma makes a global variable per proc, if that proc has a static param will it make 1 global per constant? |
| 20:18:28 | leorize | yep |
| 20:19:18 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> ok, and I am presuming that proc A cannot access proc B's {.global.} ? |
| 20:22:33 | leorize | yep |
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| 20:53:18 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> is there a better way for multiple macro's to be able to access a shared tableRef then making a third proc that returns a {.global.} table? |
| 20:55:21 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Macro cache exists sorta for this goal |
| 20:55:46 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/macrocache.html though still need to have it stored in a single file |
| 20:56:36 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @ElegantBeef "still need to have it stored in a single file" not sure what you meant by tthis |
| 20:56:37 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> (edit) "tthis" => "this" |
| 20:57:22 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Does it give a way to access the CacheTable across modules? If so i have 0 idea how |
| 20:57:26 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @zidsal you can have global compiletime values, but yeah, macrocache is better |
| 20:57:27 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> `Instead the API here needs to be used.` do you know what the docs mean by that π |
| 20:57:39 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @ElegantBeef you can just add to the same CacheTable in different modules |
| 20:57:51 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it's just a distinct string |
| 20:57:54 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> because it's handled by the compiler |
| 20:58:10 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Yea but the table has to be in a specific file right? |
| 20:58:14 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> It's not global |
| 20:58:59 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Like there isnt one global table/cacheseq? |
| 21:11:55 | leorize | why would you need a proc that returns a global table? |
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| 21:13:24 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> @leorize its to share between macros I'm making a macro that auto generates a model from castledb, I was also going to make 1 that can convert that model and the file into actual objects. I was hoping to share meta information about the file between them so that I don't need to parse the filw twice |
| 21:15:49 | leorize | is this information only consumed at compile-time or? |
| 21:15:55 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> yu[p |
| 21:16:39 | leorize | yea, sounds like macrocache is the way to go |
| 21:16:55 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> it looks like from the docs that it wont be supproted going forward thought? |
| 21:17:09 | leorize | it's the other way around actually :P |
| 21:17:33 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> ah I've missunderstood the docs then |
| 21:17:48 | leorize | it will be the only form of global compile-time variables supported in the future |
| 21:18:03 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> yeah need to fix the docs |
| 21:18:16 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> thats a heck of a typo π |
| 21:18:21 | leorize | I wouldn't say you're the first to misunderstood it :P |
| 21:18:30 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @zidsal it's not a typo |
| 21:18:37 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> it's just that the wording is a bit bad |
| 21:18:41 | leorize | someone PR-ed a deprecation warning thinking the same idea as you did |
| 21:18:56 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> "This module provides an API for macros that need to collect compile time information across module boundaries in global variables. Starting with version 0.19 of Nim this is not directly supported anymore as it breaks incremental compilations. Instead the API here needs to be used." |
| 21:19:01 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> "0.19 of Nim this is" this is refers to global variables |
| 21:19:02 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> not macrocache |
| 21:19:15 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> but yes it's unclear |
| 21:19:24 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> ah right ya that makes sense |
| 21:19:30 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Macrocache is terribly documented and yard is presently making it better |
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| 21:34:47 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> I've been trying to make my own kernel by using nimkernel, jackos and nimkernel_ext but I usually end up compilation error: `Error: system module needs: appendString`. There are very little documentation I could find that I could check what to do next. |
| 21:36:57 | leorize | you'll have to ping Araq for this one, --os:standalone is one of the thing that's not tested/documented very well I'm afraid |
| 21:37:08 | leorize | there's also --os:any too |
| 21:37:18 | leorize | maybe the compiler doc will give you something |
| 21:38:40 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> Funny thing is that people reported successfully done compiled with older versions of nim. |
| 21:39:09 | leorize | being untested makes it easy to have regression introduced :P |
| 21:39:24 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> And there is https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/14011 which can't say if it is relevant.... |
| 21:39:59 | leorize | seems to be the one |
| 21:42:30 | FromDiscord | <dom96> Best way to get answers for these more niche things is to submit issues and/or write forum threads |
| 21:42:51 | FromDiscord | <dom96> I recall running into similar things, IIRC I just did my best to avoid procs that trigger it |
| 21:43:37 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> I have only stuff that some dom96 did... π |
| 21:45:37 | leorize | dom's code being unmaintained isn't anything too new :P |
| 21:45:51 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> zing |
| 21:47:53 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> ecksdee |
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| 21:53:21 | FromDiscord | <jtiai> I go to a sleep and meanwhile one of you smart people figures out my problem. π |
| 21:54:55 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> is that how it works? can someone here solve Np hard for me, we'll split the credit 50/50 |
| 21:55:14 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> 60/50 and deal! |
| 21:55:47 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> well I mean if you're proof manages to break ratios so they add up to 1 sure |
| 21:58:40 | FromDiscord | <dom96> In reply to @leorize "dom's code being unmaintained": I challenge you to find a Nim repo from 2013 that is still maintained π |
| 21:59:07 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> ~~Wait until dom learns about the compiler~~ |
| 21:59:09 | leorize | nim-lang/Nim? |
| 21:59:15 | Yardanico | oprypin: hello, is there an issue with the FromGitter bridge? it's been down for the last 6 hours |
| 21:59:24 | leorize | if you ask me about your code then I give up :) |
| 22:00:36 | FromDiscord | <dom96> Hah, the Nim repo doesn't really count |
| 22:00:44 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> Hello everyone. does anyone know how to run selfbot discord nim? |
| 22:00:44 | FromDiscord | <dom96> but you know that |
| 22:01:27 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In Python it was clear how to do it, but in Nim Dimscord it was not entirely clear ... |
| 22:01:47 | * | FromGitter joined #nim |
| 22:01:47 | oprypin | Yardanico, uh first there was some instability of the services themselves, then looks like it went down, yeah :/ |
| 22:01:48 | FromGitter | <Yardanico> I'm adding docs to https://nim-lang.org/docs/macrocache.html and wondered if runnableExamples should actually use assert/doAssert to check for correctness even if the example will look a bit convoluted then - https://nim-lang.org/docs/macrocache.html#items.i%2CCacheSeq |
| 22:02:04 | Yardanico | oprypin: no problem, thanks for restarting it :) |
| 22:02:12 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well it's against discords TOS so i doubt many people will help |
| 22:02:58 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @timotheecour also most of the procs in that module are implemented with compiler magics, so runnableExamples can't be used for them, right? |
| 22:04:34 | leorize | dom96: https://github.com/search?q=created%3A%3C2014-01-01+language%3ANim&type=Repositories&l=Nim&l= |
| 22:04:49 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Well it's against discords": And if in direct messages? |
| 22:04:49 | leorize | looks like your jester got in the list, congrats |
| 22:05:01 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> If you want selfbots use a better chat client |
| 22:05:28 | FromDiscord | <dom96> leorize: why are you being sarcastic? |
| 22:06:22 | FromDiscord | <dom96> amazing, 6 of those repos are actually ones I created |
| 22:06:30 | leorize | dom96's software not being maintained is kind of a trope in nim :p |
| 22:06:41 | FromDiscord | <dom96> (on the first page) |
| 22:06:57 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well when this pissing contest is over i got a tape measure if you need one, just wash it off after |
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| 22:08:02 | leorize | took me by surprise that nake is still being developed |
| 22:08:29 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Probably the same feeling the nake devs have π |
| 22:08:50 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @ElegantBeef "If you want selfbots": Yes, I need a selfbot in order to receive messages from one server channel, to which I cannot add a bot, since I do not have the appropriate rights. I'm not going to do anything bad, why) |
| 22:09:15 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well go make one, i dont think we can actually help you without breaking the TOS |
| 22:10:20 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Well go make one,": I understood you, thank you very much for your help, I wish you success. |
| 22:10:32 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> See leorize that's how you do sarcasm |
| 22:11:19 | leorize | :P |
| 22:11:48 | FromDiscord | <dom96> leorize: if you're just playing around then please stop, what you're saying just comes off as you trying to ridicule me |
| 22:13:31 | leorize | sorry, I didn't mean that |
| 22:13:53 | FromDiscord | <dom96> it's all good π |
| 22:16:58 | ForumUpdaterBot | New thread by R3c: Nimble download/install sequence improvement, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7671 |
| 22:17:18 | FromDiscord | <aryn> In reply to @_ssmaxx "In Python it was": i dont think dpy even supports it anymore |
| 22:17:29 | FromDiscord | <aryn> as it was made against TOS |
| 22:20:48 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @_ssmaxx I think this discussion is more suitable for the Dimscord discord server - https://discord.gg/bw4mHUV, and even then, discussing stuff that is against TOS is not usually allowed. |
| 22:21:11 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @aryn "i dont think dpy": But it works on dpy |
| 22:21:20 | FromDiscord | <aryn> i dont think it does ima be honest |
| 22:21:41 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @Yardanico "<@!764452254816141313> I think this": Thank you |
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| 22:29:38 | giaco__ | Before trying with higher lever approaches like nimterop, I'm giving c2nim a try over a quite complex .h. I'm getting "soapStub.h(9808, 30) Error: token expected: ;" and I'm expecting that there must be a line that is confusing the parser, do you have any experience with it to help me find out what's wrong? C code is generated from wdsl and compiles correctly with gcc |
| 22:30:21 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Preprocessors tend to cause c2nim to have a bad time afaik |
| 22:30:33 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> In reply to @Yardanico "<@!764452254816141313> I think this": Are you ru? |
| 22:31:08 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> there's a #ΡΡΡΡΠΊΠΈΠΉ channel for discussion in russian, but it's better to use english so you get more people who can help you |
| 22:31:32 | FromDiscord | <_ssmaxx> Yes, I understand |
| 22:32:12 | giaco__ | ElegantBeef, any idea here? http://ix.io/2TAq |
| 22:32:20 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and yes, I'm russian if you were asking that |
| 22:33:22 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> Well i assume by the name soapfmac is a macro |
| 22:33:49 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> C2nim doesnt play with them afaik |
| 22:37:35 | giaco__ | yeah, but I think they should be empty ones |
| 22:38:18 | giaco__ | like stated here: https://www.genivia.com/doc/guide/html/group__group__soap.html#gaf9c67beaa852bbda509579313b9ca11b |
| 22:41:17 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> @Yardanico β β > wondered if runnableExamples should actually use assert/doAssert to check for correctness even if the example will look a bit convoluted then β β yes, please use assert (not doAssert, see contributing.html) for those examples, it can always be written in a non-convoluted way; we can discuss more in your WIP PR if you have one [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=60567a0d3a9448256c1c5499] |
| 22:41:33 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> ok, sure |
| 22:41:38 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> and what do you think about magic procs? |
| 22:42:05 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> using them with runnableExamples is not possible afaik |
| 22:45:45 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> @Yardanico β β > also most of the procs in that module are implemented with compiler magics, so runnableExamples can't be used for them, right? β β No, this works fine: ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=60567b19ad83ec3d7d429a15] |
| 22:46:10 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> (donβt forget the trailining `=`) |
| 22:46:40 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> oh I thought that it would do something bad, thanks |
| 22:47:23 | FromGitter | <timotheecour> np |
| 23:07:31 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> amazing, turns out jester has all the documentation I need for how the macrocache works |
| 23:09:41 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @timotheecour https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/17431 |
| 23:10:07 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> damnit yard you where 6 minutes too late π |
| 23:10:22 | FromDiscord | <Yardanico> @zidsal I mean the module is really simple to use if you get the main idea :) |
| 23:10:28 | FromDiscord | <zidsal> π |
| 23:40:11 | ForumUpdaterBot | New question by cain a: How do I get input from the console in Nim?, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66727513/how-do-i-get-input-from-the-console-in-nim |
