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00:26:23leorizeso I've been experimenting a bit with Azure Pipelines
00:27:03leorizewhile I don't have concrete numbers yet, looks like the integration to testament slowed testing down about 10-20 mins
00:27:42leorizeapparently the way I programmed testament to report to azure seems to get flagged and throttled heavily :P
00:28:11leorizeI'll experiment with some strategies to avoid this
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00:52:04FromDiscord<treeform> disruptek "treeform: got another candidate for your nimbench" link?
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01:48:31disruptektreeform: it was in reference to the benchmark zevv made to show what not having realloc costs in terms of runtime array growth speed.
01:48:55disruptekhttps://irclogs.nim-lang.org/20-01-2020.html#05:17:39
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02:42:27disruptekyou know what? zevv you're a genius.
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02:43:19disruptekthat realloc issue is almost certainly the cause of the base64 performance problem under arc.
02:48:47disruptekhmm, but i thought -d:useMalloc would yield a different speed, and it doesn't.
03:01:55disruptekit's nimPrepareStrMutationV2.
03:06:42disruptekoh, i see. i guess it doesn't matter for strsV2.
03:06:53disruptekso, yeah, you nailed it.
03:07:54disruptekshit, this week we'll have a huge bump in arc performance and get it usable in async.
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03:17:25FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> On the forums Araq gave a "few months" timeline for gc:arc. Does that mean that arc is planned for a v1.x release maybe?
03:17:41disruptekyeah
03:18:00FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> Awesome
03:18:13disruptekyeah, i really like it.
03:18:37disruptekit has a /lot/ of room for improvement, which is awesome.
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03:20:21disruptekwhich is not to say that it won't be fast out of the gate, of course.
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03:30:06disrupteki wonder what it means that our base64 benchmark relies upon the performance of realloc so heavily.
03:30:28FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> I'm more looking forward to deterministic destructors
03:31:31FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> and the sink/lent stuff. It's going to be a significant change in how Nim code is written, I think
03:33:10leorizeto how optimized nim code is written :P
03:33:14leorizenormal nim code stays the same
03:33:17leorizemore or less
03:33:23disrupteki dunno. i don't know that it can change very much as long as people cannot query whether something is lastReadOf or lastWriteOf or simply whether something is lent.
03:33:49disruptekbut, you could do that stuff in theory.
03:38:12disrupteki think realloc will speed up base64 somewhat, but not much as i hoped.
03:39:30disruptekprobably still be 25-50% slower than base, for this benchmark.
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05:15:22FromGitter<Varriount> Why is base64 slow? Is there a fundamental flaw?
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06:12:14Zevvdisruptek: yeah I kno
06:13:37Zevvso, arc works fine for npeg, but I also still have some leakage. what is the best way to approach this?
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07:03:35FromDiscord<Rika> https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03
07:03:35FromDiscord<Rika> Time to replicate this again in Nim
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07:27:14FromDiscord<mratsim> that's a confusing timeline
07:28:12FromDiscord<Rika> what i got from the entry was that "V is a mess"
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08:00:10narimiran@Vindaar ggplotnim seems to be failing on windows :/ (tests/testDf.nim)
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08:03:10FromDiscord<mratsim> @Rika you can ask @Cadey directly, she wrote the article 😉
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08:08:17Zevvprobably wont be the last :)
08:08:57FromDiscord<Rika> @mratsim no I mean I just want to write it for no good reason
08:09:21FromDiscord<mratsim> most of my Nim code is written for no good reason :p
08:09:44FromDiscord<Rika> It's way too fun writing nim code
08:11:14FromDiscord<Rika> Couldn't run the code I generated on my laptop
08:11:16FromDiscord<Rika> Not enough ram
08:20:09PMunchGot your code? I probably have enough RAM :)
08:21:29FromDiscord<Rika> Uh
08:22:00FromDiscord<Rika> My desktop can prolly run it
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08:54:11FromDiscord<Clyybber> Ugh, is it really worth it to deprecate arrays.low != 0
08:55:23FromDiscord<Clyybber> It doesn't double the API surface for every proc, just for procs that return an index
08:55:29FromDiscord<Clyybber> And afaikt we don't have many of those
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08:59:15FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: Wdyt about a magic that gives us the openarrayoffset?
08:59:33FromDiscord<Clyybber> so we can return the index - theoffset
08:59:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> and it will work for array[-4, 5, ...] too
09:01:58FromDiscord<Clyybber> ugh, or maybe not. It wont work for enums then
09:07:07FromDiscord<Clyybber> maybe introduce an openarray variant with two generic params?
09:07:14FromDiscord<Clyybber> Where one is the index type?
09:07:20FromDiscord<Clyybber> And for seq it would just be int
09:20:12Araqdidn't you read my suggestion?
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09:28:35Araqwhat's wrong with a minor sigmatch patch
09:29:07Araqarrays are not always convertible to openArray, we'll see how many Nimble packages it breaks
09:29:18Araqand then we can maybe come up with something more complex
09:43:46ZevvAraq: the alloc counters are fixed, but I still have one case were cleanup is only done at the end of NimMainModule - no way to properly report that from within nim
09:45:55Zevvall but two tests now "clean": one with false positives, one really leaking
09:46:01AraqI've been thinking about -d:nimLeakReport
09:47:29Araqideally also with some API so that the thread local caching we do for env vars and program args is taken into consideration
09:51:07Zevvmakes sense
10:04:22FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: Ah, somehow skipped it
10:09:26FromDiscord<Clyybber> Afaict it doesn't bite with my suggestion though
10:09:46FromDiscord<Rika> afaict?
10:10:18FromDiscord<Clyybber> as far as i can tell
10:10:21Zevvas far as I can tell
10:11:39AraqClyybber: no but I dislike adding new magics
10:13:54FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: Are you referring to the offset thing?
10:13:57FromDiscord<Clyybber> I don't like it either
10:14:05FromDiscord<Clyybber> I think better is an openarray[I, T]
10:14:28FromDiscord<Clyybber> Then most procs would continue to use openarray[T]
10:14:42FromDiscord<Clyybber> but those who return indices can use openarray[I, T]
10:17:24Araqthe openarray[I, T] idea is good but ultimately a minor pessimization
10:17:41Araqas you need to pass one more hidden integer argument
10:18:49Araqfeatures that require more features for the fixups are bad
10:19:33Araqideally a feature simplifies some other part of the language
10:20:53FromDiscord<Clyybber> I agree. But removing arrays starting at != 0 would really be a bummer
10:21:22Araqhow so? as long as array[Enum] continues to work I don't mind
10:21:47FromDiscord<Clyybber> I would mind. I regularily use arrays starting at 1 because it fits better
10:21:51FromDiscord<Clyybber> with some algorithms
10:23:02FromDiscord<Clyybber> It also allowed me to more easily translate my lua code
10:23:25FromDiscord<Clyybber> And its also nice when you are implementing an algorithm from a paper
10:23:54Araqinteresting
10:24:34Araqwell we can at least deprecate arrays starting at a negative index then
10:24:47Araqdoesn't help with the 'find' problem though
10:24:59Araqin the end, fortunately we don't have to do anything
10:25:12Araqthe existing design ain't bad
10:25:27FromDiscord<Clyybber> yeah, its just missing openarray[I, T] I'd argue
10:26:00Araqmeh but then we need to fix every stdlib proc that uses openarray
10:26:20Araqand as a nice "bonus" the code becomes slightly larger, yay
10:26:25FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: No, just the ones who return an index
10:26:58Araqok but we better review them all then
10:27:01stefantalpalaruI would like to integrate a Nim wrapper in a subdirectory of the upstream repo. Are there any tricks to make Nimble look for *.nimble files in subdirectories?
10:27:09FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: I'd be up for the job
10:27:22Araqcan't you work on something more important?
10:29:07AraqI vote for "let's not do anything"
10:29:51stefantalpalaruNever mind, I found the subdir support docs: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble#package-urls
10:33:00FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: Fine with me
10:33:45FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: What about moving =destroy(dst) out of `=` and `=sink` ?
10:38:57FromGitter<Kvothe87> hello
10:39:37FromGitter<Kvothe87> i'm trying to do a simple thing but consider that i'm a total beginner
10:39:50FromGitter<Kvothe87> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=27XZ
10:41:04FromGitter<Kvothe87> i tried to format a json, i only wanted to get the formatted string with echo, and i'm not interested in the content
10:42:03FromGitter<Kvothe87> when i run the code above first i did not get anything echoed and then i started to get bad gateways
10:42:43FromGitter<Kvothe87> the first echo was just to debug if i was doing something wrong with the i
10:43:12FromGitter<Kvothe87> can you please help me both in solving what is wrong, and ways to improve it?
10:43:14FromDiscord<Rika> it looks like you're parsing json, is there a reason you're reimplementing it?
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10:47:11FromDiscord<Rika> Kvothe87, when i ran this code locally, it got stuck in a loop somewhere making no progress
10:47:25FromDiscord<Rika> hence the bad gateway
10:47:33FromGitter<Kvothe87> i'm only interested in formatting a string to a string, not in creating or evaluating the content
10:49:11FromDiscord<Rika> oh i see
10:49:31FromDiscord<Rika> your code gets stuck in the first while loop because it starts with a [ which is not in lim
10:49:38FromDiscord<Rika> it never enters the next while loop
10:49:43FromDiscord<Rika> and i never gets incremented
10:52:15FromDiscord<Cadey~> hi @Rika
10:52:32FromDiscord<Rika> hello
10:52:49FromDiscord<Rika> gcc segfaulted when i tried doing what you did for V on nim
10:52:58FromDiscord<Cadey~> hahahahahahaha
10:53:30FromDiscord<Rika> it took a significant amount of time too; maybe that's because i was doing it in WSL though
10:54:47FromDiscord<Cadey~> i did my tests on a real linux system tbh
10:56:54FromDiscord<Rika> ~~try doing it for nim now
10:56:56FromDiscord<Rika> ~~
10:57:03FromDiscord<Rika> forgot to close uuuuuuuuuuuuugh
10:57:07Yardanico@Kvothe87 what about https://nim-lang.org/docs/json.html#pretty%2CJsonNode%2Cint
10:58:42AraqClyybber: don't we do that now after cooldome's patch?
11:04:54FromDiscord<Rika> @Cadey~ if you wanna try it with nim lol https://gist.github.com/de-odex/cfa9a06964ac0a3550c0ea78f0ac7b0a
11:05:36FromDiscord<Cadey~> @Rika fun fact, i did this in rust recently. it oomed the biggest instance amazon offered
11:05:48FromDiscord<Rika> i mean, the new one
11:05:54FromDiscord<Rika> the 2nd post you made
11:05:59FromDiscord<Rika> the modularized one 😛
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11:19:18FromGitter<alehander92> zevv thats good, does it work now
11:19:20FromGitter<alehander92> the counters
11:20:28Zevvyeah, that's good now. The only problem is that some stuff is only reclaimed after nim is done nimming, so I can't print the correct stats from nim in all cases
11:20:55Zevvand there seems to be a real leak in one test, haven't looked into it but I suspect something exception related
11:21:03FromGitter<alehander92> you need a hook i guess?
11:21:09FromGitter<alehander92> or is it some kind of shared stuff
11:21:22Zevvenvironment variables do crazy things with memory
11:21:34Zevvand some =destroys are put at the bottom of NimMain by the codegen
11:21:41Zevvso that's simply too late
11:22:48Zevvso if we simply want to know about global leaks I guess we could emit a printf at the end of NimMain, but it's not nice or anything
11:24:10FromGitter<alehander92> well i guess there can be some kind of a hook that just uhm gets called there instead
11:24:20FromGitter<alehander92> and then just quits without cleaning up itself
11:24:24FromGitter<alehander92> but not sure if thats enough
11:32:40Zevvyeah but call the hook from where?
11:32:59Zevvanyway, it was not about the counters, that was collateral damage. I just wanted to clenaup the allocs
11:33:19Zevvand hooray its green again, I can get my coffee and cake now
11:35:53FromGitter<Kvothe87> @rika thanks
11:36:23FromGitter<Kvothe87> @yardanico i guess that's wha ti want
11:38:04FromGitter<Kvothe87> although I think it is not doing what i want
11:38:04FromGitter<Kvothe87> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=27Yl
11:40:51FromGitter<Kvothe87> since it never goes to a new line
11:40:57FromDiscord<Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=27Ym
11:43:27FromDiscord<Rika> Kvothe87^
11:43:54FromDiscord<Rika> %"string" makes a json that looks like just "string"
11:48:25FromGitter<Kvothe87> @rika thank you very much. I did try with parsejson(text) but apparently i was making a mistake somewhere else.
11:57:07FromDiscord<Rika> odd
12:00:18FromGitter<Kvothe87> no, no with what you wrote me, text.parsejson or parsejson(text) the results was both correct. I meant that after yardanico suggestion tried something similar to what you suggested and used parsejson(text) but probably i did change something else that produced the undesired result
12:02:07FromDiscord<Rika> ah i see
12:02:14FromDiscord<Rika> maybe you did $parsejson(text)
12:02:21FromDiscord<Rika> %, not $
12:06:18PMunch@Rika, @Cadey~, just ran the test you provided Rika. My memory consumption was up to about 20G at one point (however I have about 4G of other programs open) but it did finish :)
12:07:22PMunchWith -d:release though. Might be worse without it
12:10:39FromGitter<alehander92> https://www.williamjbowman.com/resources/wjb2019-depmacros.pdf
12:11:17FromGitter<alehander92> Araq something a bit like that is what i am talking about when i say stuff like "type system dsl-s" for a lang toolkit
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12:11:41FromGitter<alehander92> of course thats a very general topic, but i guess its aexample of this line of thinking
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12:17:29sekaois there any other way to create a heterogenous collection (such as, a seq that can hold strings OR ints) besides using object variants?
12:18:01PMunchsekao, no
12:18:20PMunchWell, you could use pointers, but it would be impossible to know which type was which
12:19:22sekaook understood
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12:22:04FromGitter<alehander92> usually you dont want that
12:22:32FromGitter<alehander92> variants should be easy enough to use
12:22:59FromGitter<alehander92> if you need, you can create constructors/reuse jsonnode for simple cases
12:23:12FromGitter<alehander92> or use https://github.com/andreaferretti/patty or https://github.com/alehander92/gara
12:23:13PMunchMaybe someone should create a macro for this case
12:23:17FromGitter<alehander92> if you want pattern matching
12:23:42PMunchJust I want either this, this, or that in a container and I can't be arsed to manually define an enum and a type for it.
12:23:53FromGitter<alehander92> i think https://github.com/andreaferretti/patty#constructing-variant-objects
12:23:56FromGitter<alehander92> is good
12:23:59FromGitter<alehander92> i wanted to add it to gara
12:24:06FromGitter<alehander92> but then just kinda left it as todo
12:24:29PMunch@Rika: http://ix.io/27Yt
12:24:44FromGitter<alehander92> yes, you're completely right, something like `variant` should be even in sugar imho
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12:30:57PMunch@Rika, not too much of a difference with a debug build: http://ix.io/27Yv
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12:41:14FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran oh darn. Will check and attempt to fix it. There's only two things I can imagine going wrong. I'll let you know
12:45:04FromDiscord<Rika> PMunch, dang. i could only run on release, and it took really long
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12:50:29AraqZevv, calloc can be a pessimization
12:50:38FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran ok, not what I expected. It just can't delete the file in the same test I create it, since it's "being used by another process". Guess I have windows homework to do :P
12:50:43Araqfor the common ObjectRef(fieldA: 4) construct
12:50:58Araqwe can optimize away the zeroMem
12:51:06Araqand so can the C compiler
12:51:24Araqbut if you move it into the allocation it's not under our control anymore
12:57:42PMunchRika, yeah this machine is a bit overpowered for what I do :P
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13:09:13Araqalehander92: interesting link
13:09:38ZevvAraq: yeah, but what if calloc is more then 10 times faster then malloc+memzero? (which it is for me)
13:10:06Zevvand yes, cow and all.
13:10:09Zevvbut still
13:10:29Araqit isn't for ObjectRef(...)
13:10:52Zevvbut it might be for seqs and strings. So what to do? Can't objectref be smartened so it knows to either alloc or alloc0?
13:11:04Araqthat's what I mean, yes
13:11:24Zevvok. Shall I revert the calloc for now? I'd like to get this merged in first because it grows and grows
13:12:32Araqwell looking at nimNewObj
13:12:54Araqcurrently it relies on zeroing so calloc is fine I guess
13:13:15Araqwe need to keep in mind to optimize it further though
13:13:16Zevvok
13:13:40Araqand also: we need an emplace_back optimization
13:13:52AraqClyybber: any idea how to do that?
13:13:55Araqbbl
13:13:56Zevvyou're talking dirty. you mean 'add' right?
13:14:07Araqadd ObjectConstr(...)
13:14:47Araqit's very common and must be as fast as possible
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13:33:18FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: If we can guarantee that add will add the object to somewhere where its eventually destroyed
13:33:40FromDiscord<Clyybber> Then we should be fine
13:33:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> and we don't have to generate a destructor nor a wasMoved
13:34:00FromDiscord<Clyybber> and then we are as good as emplace back
13:37:37FromGitter<Vindaar> was the `polynumeric` really part of the stdlib years ago?
13:37:44FromGitter<Vindaar> *library
13:45:47FromDiscord<Clyybber> Araq: I think the most important stuff for performance now will be to make sink implicit and improve the selfassign logic
13:46:11FromDiscord<Clyybber> so that when we can guarantee no selfassign is possible we don't generate those copies
13:46:42Zevvwhat is the recipe for hunting gc:arc leaks in my code?
13:47:41FromDiscord<Tak> When you call seq.len or array.len, is it a cached property or does it re-calculate each call?
13:48:09YardanicoI don't think nim's stdlib generally does any kind of caching for stuff like this
13:48:18FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: Getting a small repro case and then looking at the injectdestructor transformed code
13:48:27FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Tak No it is a field
13:48:32FromDiscord<Clyybber> It is not recalculated
13:48:41FromDiscord<Tak> Oh good so its not necessary for me to assign a const via let then?
13:48:48FromDiscord<Clyybber> Nope
13:48:49Yardanicoconst is not let though :P
13:49:01FromDiscord<Tak> Immutable* better? :p Thanks!
13:49:21Yardanicowell yeah, you don't really need to, only if you use it a lot of times so you might want to shorten the code or something like that
13:49:41Yardanicobtw, var - runtime mutable, let - runtime immutable, const - compile-time
13:49:50Yardanicowell, you can also have both var/let at compile time too
13:51:40PMunchHooray, the sun is back!
13:53:30FromGitter<alehander92> PMunch woah
13:53:32FromGitter<alehander92> summer time
13:53:57PMunchOh no, that isn't until the end of March
13:54:14PMunchToday is the first day you can see the sun in our city
13:54:39Zevvclyybber: how to expand easily? --expandMacr?
13:55:19FromDiscord<Clyybber> Oh, sorry I forgot
13:56:00FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: Ah, yeah --expandMacro
13:56:23Zevvcool thanks
13:57:10FromDiscord<Clyybber> And for inspecting the generated code do ./koch temp -d:toDebug=procYouWantToDebug
13:57:33FromDiscord<Clyybber> and then nim_temp c and so on
13:57:53ZevvtoDebug, oh
13:57:59Zevvnew to me
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14:01:05FromDiscord<Tak> For general usage, is it recommended to leave Nim compiling to C via GCC/Clang? I.e are ObjC and C++ targets more designed for code-base integration?
14:02:50PMunchPretty much yeah
14:03:16PMunchThe C++ target is in some cases better, but for the most part it's fine to just leave it compiling to C
14:03:55FromDiscord<Tak> Is that due to it leveraging std::vector, std::exception etc.? Or just very case specific? 🙂
14:04:14PMunchYeah IIRC it's mostly to do with exceptions
14:04:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> C backend has been improved on that end though
14:05:00FromDiscord<Clyybber> So just use the C backend if you don't need cpp
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14:05:28PMunchYeah, I've noticed much less of a difference lately
14:06:35FromDiscord<Tak> Ok cool thanks 🙂
14:09:03Zevvah dang the leaks are in envVars, I knew that
14:10:59FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: Interesting, I thought I had fixed them
14:11:15Zevvwhen?
14:11:23ZevvI'm on a branch a few days old, didnt rebase yet
14:11:36FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: Nevermind, I thought you were talking about getEnv
14:11:42Zevvyeah I was
14:12:49FromDiscord<Clyybber> Like system.getEnv right?
14:13:13Zevvindeed
14:16:06FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: Can you try again with https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/12018 reverted?
14:16:08disbot➥ fixes #11833
14:18:19FromDiscord<Clyybber> Nevermind, dumb suggestion, that PR was pre rewrite
14:18:31Zevvyeah, I was wondering already what I did wrong :)
14:19:38Zevvanyway, findEnvVar does a rawNewString that does never get freed
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14:21:13FromDiscord<Clyybber> Okay thanks, can you open an issue so we don't forget?
14:21:18FromDiscord<Tak> If I am comparing an int/byte etc. to an enum, is there a nicer syntax than using the enum.ord every time? Or should I just use a macro that does that for me?
14:21:26Zevvclyybber: willdo
14:22:45Zevvhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13217 go disbot go
14:22:48disbot➥ [ARC] os.getEnv memory leak ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=27YN
14:23:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> thanky
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14:26:11Zevvywelcome
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14:30:23FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran I think I fixed the problem, see the PR
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14:31:01narimiran@Vindaar thanks!
14:31:29m4r35n357Hi all, trying to find a program called py2nim, come up with nothing so far - does it actually exist?
14:31:51m4r35n357all I found was this page: https://github.com/metacraft-labs/py2nim
14:31:56Yardanicowell, that's it
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14:32:03Yardanicothe actual code is in https://github.com/metacraft-labs/languist
14:32:09m4r35n357really? have you seen it?
14:32:56Yardanicoyes, before it was in py2nim, now py2nim is just like a "symlink" for "langust" :P
14:33:00Yardanicoalthough it's not really maintained
14:33:27m4r35n357(from the README) How to use: ./py2nim <filename>.py
14:33:29Yardanicoand I doubt it will work for any big real-world python apps
14:33:47Yardanicom4r35n357: well, if you look at the source code it just calls "languist" now
14:33:51FromGitter<alehander92> yes
14:33:54m4r35n357I onwly want to convert a small piece of pure Python
14:33:58FromGitter<alehander92> its called py2nim_deprecated
14:34:01FromGitter<alehander92> the old one
14:34:13m4r35n357yes, but the README doesn't say that!
14:34:15FromGitter<alehander92> (the original one)
14:34:32Yardanicom4r35n357: well, why not read 6 lines of code :P
14:34:42Yardanicoand it's not like it's a finished project
14:35:25Yardanicom4r35n357: can you share that piece of python code though? I'm just curious
14:35:36m4r35n357I did read it
14:35:50m4r35n357but at that point I realized I was fighting the README . . .
14:36:44m4r35n357first part of https://github.com/m4r35n357/ODE-Playground/blob/master/ad.py
14:36:50FromGitter<alehander92> m4r35n357: sorry
14:37:11Yardanicom4r35n357: well, not sure if list comprehensions will be translated though
14:37:21FromGitter<alehander92> just commited a fix to the readme
14:37:36m4r35n357can't remember how to put usernames in my text ;)
14:38:04YardanicoI usually type 1-2 characters and press tab :)
14:38:14m4r35n357Yardanico, that is it ;)
14:38:45FromGitter<alehander92> so yeah
14:38:49m4r35n357OK, so is languist maintainid?
14:38:59FromGitter<alehander92> you might have some success with the `_deprecated` one currently
14:39:08FromGitter<alehander92> it is not really maintained actively
14:39:14FromGitter<alehander92> but ruby2nim based on it
14:39:22FromGitter<alehander92> should be kinda useful i think
14:39:25m4r35n357OK I only wanted to try it, that is fine
14:39:41FromGitter<alehander92> but py2nim based on it wasnt tested/developed so much
14:39:53m4r35n357I could probably just write it from scratch, but the internet told me there was an easier way ;)
14:40:10m4r35n357and I believed it!
14:40:14FromGitter<alehander92> yes!!
14:40:31FromGitter<alehander92> well your code is kinda the code py2nim_deprecated should be able to help
14:40:35Yardanicoyou'll probably spend more time finding py2nim and figuring it out in total than rewriting by hand though :D
14:41:07m4r35n357OK cheers guys I will look into this, I have a bit of time to investigate
14:41:10FromGitter<alehander92> but .. yeah, sorry, i should try to at least semi-fix one of both
14:41:18FromGitter<alehander92> one day
14:41:38FromGitter<alehander92> to do like 70%ish work of the intended, but more robustly
14:42:08m4r35n357I think something like this is really hard, what with program imports & such
14:42:13FromGitter<alehander92> m4r35n357 if you try, you need to add some code that invokes your operations, like tests
14:42:29FromGitter<alehander92> thats not the hardest part
14:42:37FromGitter<alehander92> we kinda managed to start something like https://github.com/metacraft-labs/fast-rubocop
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14:42:45FromDiscord<Rika> how would someone go by implementing a plugin system in nim
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14:42:55Yardanicoyou mean runtime one?
14:42:57FromGitter<alehander92> which worked for several cops
14:43:07FromGitter<alehander92> so its almost doable with some % error
14:43:09FromDiscord<Rika> yes
14:43:22FromDiscord<Rika> runtime can load and reload plugins
14:43:25Yardanicoso you can add plugins (like new dll's)? I don't really know, but I think it might be easier with --gc:arc
14:43:29Yardanicoor just use a scripting language :P
14:43:35Yardanicoembed it in your nim app
14:43:38FromDiscord<Rika> yeah i'm considering wren
14:45:23FromGitter<alehander92> what kind of project
14:45:25FromGitter<alehander92> is it
14:46:12FromDiscord<Rika> me?
14:46:13FromDiscord<Rika> uh
14:46:39FromDiscord<Rika> another implementation of tachiyomi for PC
14:47:09YardanicoYou want plugins for different manga sources?
14:47:14FromGitter<alehander92> ahh
14:47:17FromDiscord<Rika> mhm
14:47:25FromDiscord<Rika> wren or even lua seems 100% ok
14:47:45FromDiscord<Rika> also why i asked about a GUI a while back lol
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14:47:51FromDiscord<Rika> still dont know what i'm going with
14:48:09FromDiscord<Rika> since windows native gui looks abhorrent and i dont think i wanna go the electron route
14:48:18Yardanicogintro or fidget? :P
14:48:26FromDiscord<Rika> gintro????
14:48:30YardanicoYes, why not?
14:48:41FromDiscord<Rika> ive never heard of it moreof
14:48:45FromDiscord<Rika> woah
14:48:47FromDiscord<Rika> gtk
14:48:51Yardanicogtk works on windows
14:48:54FromDiscord<Rika> i know
14:49:02FromDiscord<Rika> this looks nice
14:49:06FromDiscord<Rika> ive never seen it wtf
14:49:11FromDiscord<Rika> am i blind or idiotic
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14:51:05Zevvfor me that's not even mutually exclusive
14:51:15ZevvI'm often a blind idiot
14:51:18FromDiscord<Rika> am i blind and/or idiotic?
14:51:26Zevvstrange that there is no word for that, right?
14:51:30Zevv'and/or'
14:53:17FromDiscord<Rika> that's usually just or
14:53:29FromDiscord<Rika> the or in english is really an xor
14:53:30Zevvlanguage, bah
14:53:36Zevv"am i blind xor idiotic"
14:53:49FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Rika Wait are you the guy who made tachiyomi?
14:53:57FromDiscord<Rika> nope
14:54:01FromDiscord<Rika> christ im not inorichi
14:54:12FromDiscord<Rika> i'm not that good at programming
14:58:35FromGitter<alehander92> i failed my 4th driver exam
14:58:46livcdwhat happened ? :D
14:58:49FromGitter<alehander92> so you guys are smart not idiots :D
14:59:01FromGitter<alehander92> ah i was very close i am very glad of this one
14:59:18FromGitter<alehander92> but in the end i forgot to look through the right side mirror while moving in the right lane
14:59:59FromGitter<alehander92> which was like super dangerous sorry guy in blue car
15:00:06FromDiscord<Rika> my friend failed within 1 minute because they counterflowed
15:00:43FromGitter<alehander92> so i am glad to practice that a bit didnt realize how bad i am at this one
15:00:52FromGitter<alehander92> but i am ready to go at at least several more!
15:01:16FromGitter<alehander92> ah i guess thats what i did? counterflow?
15:01:31FromDiscord<Clyybber> alehander92: you are in croatia right?
15:01:39FromGitter<alehander92> no, bulgaria
15:01:46FromGitter<alehander92> narimiran is safe
15:01:50FromDiscord<Clyybber> ah, is it even enforced there?
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15:02:00FromGitter<alehander92> you'd be surprised!
15:02:22FromGitter<alehander92> the examiners are relatively harsh
15:02:26FromDiscord<Rika> counterflow is driving in the wrong side alehander
15:02:38FromGitter<alehander92> in a good way
15:02:45FromGitter<alehander92> ah, ok, i dont do that
15:02:45FromDiscord<Clyybber> alehander92: Interesting, in romania its the complete opposite
15:02:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> like nobody even has a drivers license
15:02:59FromGitter<alehander92> except some very small streets when turning
15:03:16FromGitter<alehander92> yeah i can imagine some wildwest-iness :P
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15:03:29FromGitter<alehander92> but the thing with licenses is probably a bit overstated for the big cities
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15:03:46FromGitter<alehander92> i'd say sofia traffic seems almost .. civilized
15:03:54FromGitter<alehander92> when i am not on the road
15:04:15FromGitter<alehander92> are you romanian :O
15:04:35FromDiscord<Clyybber> nah, I was born in germany but my family is from transilvania
15:05:06FromDiscord<Rika> 🤔
15:05:21FromGitter<alehander92> not surprised you managed to put a president there!
15:05:58FromGitter<alehander92> awesome i wonder about going to bucharest
15:06:02FromGitter<alehander92> after my wedding
15:06:18FromDiscord<Clyybber> oh, nice
15:06:42narimiran@alehander92 :)
15:06:45FromGitter<alehander92> its like , paris is a bit too far for 2-3 days, so .. maybe its .. like a paris but near danube
15:06:54FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Rika well, transylvanian saxons are germans emmigrated to romania
15:06:57FromGitter<alehander92> with proper corn food
15:07:05narimiranglad to hear i'm safe :)
15:07:20FromDiscord<Clyybber> and then during communism immigrated back, because they lost their privileges :p
15:08:20FromGitter<alehander92> ohh i see
15:08:26FromGitter<alehander92> ive heard transilvania is like
15:08:30FromGitter<alehander92> very beautiful
15:08:59FromDiscord<Clyybber> yeah, good place to spend your holidays
15:09:02FromGitter<alehander92> narimiran of course :)
15:09:28FromGitter<alehander92> but i guess that bucharest is interesting too, i just enjoy urban stuff
15:09:30FromDiscord<Rika> i have no idea what europe's countries/geography/etc is
15:09:32FromGitter<alehander92> cities*
15:09:35FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran ugh, now it doesn't like cairo on windows. why is that :/
15:09:35FromDiscord<Rika> since im a filthy asian
15:09:46FromGitter<alehander92> rika wow, vietnam?
15:09:50FromDiscord<Rika> nope
15:09:52FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Rika where are you from?
15:09:53FromDiscord<Rika> philippines
15:09:57FromGitter<alehander92> ah awesome
15:10:00FromDiscord<Clyybber> oh, nice
15:10:04narimiranbut yeah, @alehander92, please look at your mirrors before turning. and not only that, check if anybody is besides you. it should be automatic for all drivers
15:10:05FromGitter<alehander92> wesley so
15:10:06FromDiscord<Rika> got trump #2 over here
15:11:17FromGitter<alehander92> narimiran yeah its a very big red flag
15:11:32FromGitter<alehander92> thats why i am glad that this issue happened after all
15:11:42FromGitter<alehander92> to teach me a lesson
15:11:54narimiran@Vindaar i don't have a windows machine locally so i cannot reproduce it. should we then test only one of those test files?
15:12:05FromGitter<alehander92> rika yeah, but still its a cool country
15:12:22FromGitter<alehander92> balkans are probably the southeast asia version of europe indeed
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15:12:27FromGitter<alehander92> not only because southwest
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15:13:13FromGitter<Vindaar> I run dual boot on my machine at home. Will need to set up Nim etc. there first though (that's gonna be fun). Would like to test it beforehand. I'll get back to you
15:13:23FromGitter<alehander92> but maybe middle east..i imagine japan/china as the england/germany/france, korea as benilux and india as south countries..yeah
15:13:29FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Rika Duterte is extremely hard against drugs right?
15:13:38narimiran@Vindaar ok, great, ping me when you'll have something
15:13:46FromGitter<Vindaar> will do!
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15:15:47FromDiscord<Rika> mhm he is
15:15:58FromDiscord<Rika> we prolly shouldnt dive into that here though 😛
15:16:22FromDiscord<Clyybber> yeah, sadly the offtopic channel on discord isn't linked to the IRC/gitter one 😦
15:16:36sekaohello, i have another quick question about object variants. am i correct that i am paying the "cost" of all the fields that are unused? i.e., the object it creates will take the space required for all fields defined in the case's branches?
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15:17:24FromDiscord<Rika> it was when yardanico's bot was still alive lol
15:17:33FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Which vi editor you guys recommend on macos?
15:17:49Zevvalthough i hate it I recommend nvim
15:18:07Zevvbecause it is the only vi supported by leorizes *excellent* nim.nvim plugin
15:18:10FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Why do you hate it?
15:18:14solitudesfsekao, you're "paying" the cost of the biggest branch
15:18:43sekaoah, interesting. that is good to know, thanks
15:19:22Zevvit is less stable then vim, and tends to be slower with huge files. And as a dutchie I need ot support my local foss software
15:20:00FromDiscord<AGNiMA> 🙂
15:20:47FromDiscord<Clyybber> @Rika Oh, I was about to ask yardanico why he doesn't employ his bot
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15:20:59AraqZevv, there is unpairedEnvAllocs
15:21:11Araqin osenv.nim in order to deal with the leak detections
15:21:15Araqbut it's stupid :-)
15:21:24Araqmaybe we can find something better...
15:21:47FromDiscord<Clyybber> Zevv: local foss software?
15:21:53FromDiscord<Clyybber> leorize is dutch too?
15:21:57Zevvno, vim is
15:22:10FromDiscord<Clyybber> oh, nice
15:22:25ZevvAraq: well its not that bad, but it would be nice to be all clean of course
15:22:33Zevvcant we emit the proper destroys for those?
15:22:39Zevvi have no clue yet how that works
15:23:30Zevvclyyber, how does that work then? :)
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15:23:47Zevvyou have too many bs and too many ys
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15:24:50FromDiscord<Rika> haaaaaaa, i dont know where to start with this tachiyomi port
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15:36:00FromGitter<alehander92> Clyybber both of those channels are very public anyway :P
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15:36:24FromGitter<alehander92> hm offtopic*
15:39:21nixfreakHello getting an error installing choosenim again, I already had it installed via choosenim , but when I went to update via choosenim I get SIGBUS: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?) Osx Version 10.15.2 SIGBUS: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)
15:40:28FromGitter<Varriount> Do you not get a stack trace?
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15:51:40nixfreakThere is no stack trace
15:52:38nixfreakchoosenim stable [9:52:04]SIGBUS: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?)
15:58:44FromDiscord<Rika> macos right? isnt choosenim built there? build it as debug
15:59:28disruptekthat makes sense; spend an hour or two debugging choosenim.
15:59:54disruptekZevv: clyybber is full of bs.
16:00:04nixfreakhmm , choosenim worked just fine last year when i first installed
16:00:42nixfreakI can still compile though using nim c , so its only choosenim having issues
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16:15:49Zevvdisruptek: you are full of *what*?
16:16:03disruptekwin
16:16:08Zevvone day araq will juat kick and ban you dude
16:16:25Zevvwell deserved, I'd say
16:16:42disruptekrude.
16:16:55Zevvbut true
16:17:04Zevvc'est la vie
16:20:16nixfreakso does anyone know why choosenim would have this bug ?
16:20:31disruptekyes.
16:20:38nixfreakI see that choosenim was just updated also
16:21:17nixfreakI don't want to put a bug report in unless its not my fault lol
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16:22:20disruptekyou should create an issue. the developer loves issues.
16:22:39disruptekit's gonna be one of those salty days, i can just tell.
16:23:40nixfreakAre you being sarcastic ?
16:23:46Zevvochtendhumeur
16:23:59Zevvyes, google that disruptek
16:24:34FromDiscord<citycide> There's already a bug for that in choosenim, maybe 2
16:24:46disrupteki tried but i googled avx512vbmi instead.
16:25:06Zevvgood try though
16:25:12disruptekclose enough, i think.
16:25:57disruptekthinking about putting my mratsim hat on today.
16:26:33dom96nixfreak can you give this binary a go? https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/releases/download/v0.5.1/choosenim-0.5.1_macosx_amd64_debug
16:26:56dom96should give you a stack trace
16:27:21dom96Zevv: don't worry, I've got ban powers too
16:28:37dom96nixfreak also, if it's the old choosenim that's failing to update itself, you might just want to grab the binary and replace it yourself
16:28:38nixfreakyes I can trying out now
16:29:02dom96it's possible the bug only exists in whatever version of choosenim you're running
16:29:42disruptekah, an artisanal bug.
16:29:55disruptekhand-crafted for you and you alone.
16:32:31FromDiscord<citycide> This is the existing issue: https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/issues/122
16:32:34disbot➥ SIGBUS: Illegal storage access. (Attempt to read from nil?) on macOS ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=27Z9
16:32:48nixfreakchoosenim --version [10:32:13]choosenim v0.4.0 (2019-04-19 04:03:57) [macosx/amd64]
16:33:41nixfreakok so I have a log from the binary , one sec
16:34:02dom96oh, looks like timotheecour already gave us a stack trace
16:34:10dom96nimarchive to blame tut tut
16:34:42nixfreakhttp://pastebin.ws/7j9iln
16:34:47nixfreakbrb
16:35:02dom96oh, that's different
16:35:24nixfreak./choosenim-0.5.1_macosx_amd64_debug --version [10:35:04]choosenim v0.5.1 (2020-01-15 05:59:20) [macosx/amd64]
16:35:34dom96please post that in that issue
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16:37:26FromDiscord<AGNiMA> can i install 1.0.6 with choosenim? I can't seem to see the commands for unrelease version
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16:38:02dom96choosenim devel
16:38:11dom96check out the --help
16:38:15dom96IIRC it mentions this
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16:45:08narimiran1.0.6 is not yet out, you can grab 1.0.5 from nightlies; devel is way ahead of that (containing new features, not just bugfixes)
16:48:11dom961.0.5 isn't really a thing, right? It's the in-development 1.0.6
16:49:37disrupteki think version-1-0 branch reports its version as 1.0.5.
16:52:32FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I got devel setup
16:52:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Now nimph is kicking my butt
16:53:01FromDiscord<AGNiMA> It don't download dependencies for each package.
16:53:19dom96Use Nimble instead? :P
16:53:33disrupteknimble is much more stable.
16:54:05FromDiscord<AGNiMA> nimble doesn't allow me to lock depency per project.
16:54:53FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I was thinking of just using docker...
16:55:07disruptekyou have a nim.cfg with --clearNimblePath and --nimblePath=/some/where?
16:55:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> --clearNimblePath
16:55:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> --nimblePath="$config/deps/pkgs"
16:55:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> --excludePath="/opt/nimble/pkgs/"
16:55:35disruptek`nimph doctor`
16:56:04FromDiscord<AGNiMA> no `nimx` requirement for /Users/xxxx/Documents/NimProjects/test/deps/pkgs/nimx-#head
16:56:17narimirandom96: as disruptek said, 1.0.5 is a "backport devel" version
16:56:33dom96narimiran right
16:56:48disruptekthat's just telling you that you have a package that isn't listed in your requirements but does show up in your search paths.
16:56:49dom96It follows the standard Nim odd/even release numbering
16:57:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Exception: spec.nim(153, 10) `path.len > 0`
16:57:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> crashing because something bad happened
16:57:37FromDiscord<AGNiMA> # Dependencies
16:57:37FromDiscord<AGNiMA>
16:57:37FromDiscord<AGNiMA> requires "nim >= 1.1.1"
16:57:37FromDiscord<AGNiMA> requires "nimx"
16:57:55disruptekis this package public?
16:58:15FromDiscord<AGNiMA> yes
16:58:25FromDiscord<AGNiMA> https://github.com/yglukhov/nimx
16:58:44disruptekno, i mean the one you're working on. `test`.
16:59:11FromDiscord<AGNiMA> oh test is just my local directory I did not commit to git.
16:59:21disruptekhmm, nimx crashes my nimph, too.
17:00:30FromDiscord<AGNiMA> oh, i was pulling my hair...
17:01:11FromDiscord<AGNiMA> let me try something much simpler
17:03:20FromDiscord<AGNiMA> sweet nimph work "whip"
17:03:30disruptekwhat?
17:03:33FromDiscord<AGNiMA> required "whip" and it now downloads all the deps
17:03:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA> # Dependencies
17:03:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA>
17:03:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA> requires "nim >= 1.1.1"
17:03:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA> requires "whip"
17:03:54FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I am guessing nimx just breaks on nimph doctor
17:05:16disrupteki don't see anything wrong with nimx, so it's probably a nimph bug.
17:05:27nixfreakOk so choosenim doesn't work on osx right now , but I can still use nim c to compile
17:05:54FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Thanks disruptek 🙂
17:06:22nixfreaksweet Prompt: [email protected] already exists. Overwrite? [y/N] Answer: y Success: nimx installed successfully.
17:06:25disrupteki think maybe i'm doing the wrong thing when trying to determine a release for a naked url (no anchor).
17:08:13disruptekoh, i think it's opengl#head that's a problem.
17:08:39FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I remember opengl error yesterday
17:08:58FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I didn't ask about it, i wipe it and started back with a clean project.
17:09:34disrupteki dunno, that syntax passes the parser. i guess i'm gonna have to look at this properly.
17:10:25nixfreakDoes anyone know of a site or a blog that have python3 apps side by site nim ones ?
17:10:41nixfreakbeside the learning resource on the nim-lang site
17:10:59disruptekomg it's `nake` actually. because it ends with a /.
17:11:08lqdev[m]well, there's rosetta code @nixfreak
17:11:13disruptekso dumb.
17:11:15lqdev[m]and that's about all I know
17:11:27nixfreakthanks lqdev[m]
17:12:44disruptekyep. i guess we will sanitize the urls from the nimble packages database.
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17:19:32FromDiscord<AGNiMA> disruptek, ty 🙂
17:19:56disruptekdo you want to test it?
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17:28:39FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> how can i make my code independent from the garbage collector?
17:28:55disruptekalloc and free your stuff manually.
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17:29:27FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> c and c++ do it manually?
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17:30:33disruptekyes. garbage collectors have to start somewhere.
17:31:33FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> but... lets take a variable made in C, you dont allocate it yourself
17:31:50disruptekwho does it for you?
17:32:18FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> where do you specify it then?
17:32:38FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> (i am very new to low level, be patient if i say stupid things
17:33:20disruptekin c, you generally alloc memory with `malloc`, for example.
17:34:29Zevvone step back disruptek
17:35:14FromGitter<alehander92> recruit you can also declare a variable in Nim as well
17:35:16disruptekon the stack, you don't need to alloc memory. is that what you mean?
17:35:18ZevvRecruit: normal variables are sometimes called "automatic" variables. The live as long as the scope where the are defined, typically inside a proc
17:35:22FromGitter<alehander92> what you need to learn about is stack vs heap
17:35:28FromDiscord<AGNiMA> sure disruptek
17:35:40FromDiscord<AGNiMA> I need to update nimph ?
17:35:42disruptekagnima: nimph-0.6.20
17:35:48disrupteki'm your huckleberry.
17:35:59ZevvAnd theres this guy that made an excellent writeup about just this subject
17:36:02Zevvlet me find that for you
17:36:12Zevvah yes here it is http://zevv.nl/nim-memory/
17:36:16disrupteki hear he has really hairy ankles.
17:36:23disruptekskeeves me out.
17:36:53FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> that web explains manual memory managment?
17:37:05FromDiscord<AGNiMA> It's compiling 🙂
17:37:28Zevvit explains the basics, where stuff goes in memory, and who is responsible for taking care of that memory
17:37:45Zevvits not complete, as it does not go into the details of the GC, for example
17:38:08disruptekjust try not to think about the ankles. those hairy, hairy ankles.
17:38:17FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> ok, thank you, and do you know of somewhere where i can learn about m.m.m
17:38:31FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> possibly in nim
17:38:33FromGitter<alehander92> zevv in clyybber there are many letters b
17:38:41Zevvdisruptek: stop scaring away the new people dude.
17:38:45FromGitter<alehander92> i am not sure if this was communicated well
17:38:47Zevvan too many ys as well
17:38:56FromGitter<alehander92> so that was the bs thing
17:39:04Zevvooooh right
17:39:05Zevvha
17:39:11Zevvget it now :)
17:39:20disruptekzevv is a little slow on the uptake.
17:39:23FromGitter<alehander92> assume good intentions :P
17:39:29Zevvnot with mr D
17:39:47ZevvI cant stop thinking about the hairy ankles now
17:40:06disruptekrecruit: zevv's article is all you need. experiment.
17:40:09FromGitter<alehander92> /r/nocontext everywhere
17:40:57FromGitter<alehander92> recruit if you know C you can also look at the nim generated code for very simple examples
17:41:17FromGitter<alehander92> (it starts in NimMainModule usually )
17:41:33FromGitter<alehander92> in the nimcache folder -> <stuff>.nim.c or something
17:42:47FromDiscord<AGNiMA> disruptek it download app the deps
17:42:48FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> i dont know C, but i can read it and undterstand it more or less
17:43:00FromDiscord<AGNiMA> just opengl is throwing error when i try to run a quick example test
17:43:06Zevvnot the nim generated code. bad idea :)
17:43:11disruptekagnima: cool.
17:43:22FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Awesome work 🙂
17:43:27disruptekthanks for the report.
17:43:53FromDiscord<AGNiMA> disruptek you think you can remove the hash on the directory or is it by pattern ?
17:44:06disruptekhash on the directory?
17:44:34FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> @zevv, i do find it hard, but i might try to get a bit more in depth if i want examples,
17:44:34FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007>
17:44:34FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> thank you all, awesome community
17:44:45FromDiscord<AGNiMA> nimx-#head
17:44:57disruptekah, the compiler needs that for... reasons.
17:45:07FromDiscord<AGNiMA> ahh
17:45:22disruptekhysterical reasons.
17:46:09FromDiscord<AGNiMA> for some reason when nimx import opengl, from context.nim, so i went to context and try importing "deps.pkgs/opengl-#head/src.opengl"
17:46:18disrupteksetup a `goto` alias as is demonstrated in the nimph readme and you'll be happy.
17:46:29FromDiscord<AGNiMA> okay
17:47:32disruptekyou should be able to just `import opengl` if everything is working correctly.
17:48:15FromDiscord<AGNiMA> /Users/xxxx/Documents/NimProjects/test/deps/pkgs/nimx-#head/nimx/context.nim(2, 8) Error: cannot open file: opengl
17:48:49disruptekopengl#head is dumb.
17:48:56FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran managed to install Nim on windows and can reproduce the same problem locally. It's a start
17:49:05FromDiscord<AGNiMA> Yeah
17:49:09disrupteki don't even want to support that, but...
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17:49:43FromDiscord<AGNiMA> your call
17:50:24disrupteknimx is fully of creepy stuff. this is a good test.
17:53:20FromDiscord<AGNiMA> lol, good luck, let me know if you need testing
17:53:57disruptekseems to me that /not/ supporting opengl#head is a bug. we have the code to associate branches and tags and `head` is supported as a special case of these.
17:55:19disrupteki don't understand how there's a requirement in nimx for variant-0.3 and yet the last tag is 0.2.10
17:56:04disrupteksame problem with ttf.
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18:00:09agnimaI am on here now :), msg me if you need testing :)
18:01:03disruptekwell, our handling of ">= 0.2 & < 0.3" is broken somehow. i guess at least this isn't a blocker for you.
18:05:34FromGitter<alehander92> welcome to irc
18:05:39FromGitter<alehander92> says the gitter guy
18:05:53FromGitter<Vindaar> @narimiran I just don't understand dependencies on windows :( no matter where I put the libcairo-2.dll it still doesn't work
18:14:49agnima:)
18:15:58FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> @Vindaar, if you ever fix it, let me know bc i have the same problem with blas.dll
18:22:12FromGitter<Vindaar> It's probably something really basic I'm not aware of for windows. But well, gonna stop for today.
18:22:37FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> tried adding it to path (and adding .dll to pathextension?
18:23:33FromGitter<Vindaar> Tried both adding the gtk binaries to path, tried putting the libcairo to my mingw bin path, tried putting the dll into the dir of the file I'm compiling. nothing
18:23:35dom96compile with -d:nimDebugDl?
18:23:53FromGitter<Vindaar> forgot that was a thing. thanks, I'll try
18:25:17FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> and .dll to path extension?
18:26:00dom96You've likely got a DLL that's 32bit where your .exe is 64bit or vice versa
18:26:13dom96or one of your DLLs depends on another DLL which doesn't exist
18:26:30dom96(You can use dependency walker to check)
18:27:03FromGitter<Vindaar> both my nim installation and the gtk bundle are explicitly 64 bit. So that seems unlikely (unless for some reason the 64bit gtk bundle also contains 32 bit dlls)
18:29:43FromGitter<Vindaar> @Recruit_main_70007 (couldn't have chosen a longer name, right? :P) just tried that too, didn't help
18:30:16FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> just recruit if you want, it didnt properly @ me
18:30:39FromGitter<Vindaar> ok, I don't know how discord (and the bridge) handles that
18:31:06Araqputting the DLLs next to your .exe always works
18:31:16Araqif the DLL can be loaded, that is
18:31:23FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> nope, not always
18:31:41FromGitter<Vindaar> well, I guess the problem is that it can't be loaded, but I don't get why yet :)
18:32:00Araquse "CFF explorer" to look at a DLL's dependencies
18:32:10Araqand whether it's a 64 bit DLL
18:37:02FromGitter<Vindaar> according to cff explorer it is 64 bit indeed
18:38:32Araqmy aporia.exe uses GTK and the GTK with its deps is 35 DLLs
18:38:40Araqlikely you forgot something
18:38:46Araqlike zlib1.dll
18:39:11Araqfreetype6.dll
18:39:27Araqlibcario-script-interpreter.dll
18:39:42Araqlibexpat-1.dll
18:39:58FromGitter<Vindaar> but I actually just directly using cairo in my code. Just downloaded the gtk bundle, because apparently that's the easiest way to get cairo on windows
18:40:15Araqor maybe liblibdll.dll, the sillyness is endless
18:44:15FromGitter<Vindaar> And I guess Araq is right again :D. 1. I needed what feels like *all* dlls from the gtk bundle and 2. windows doesn't care about my path but all those dlls *had* to be put next to the binary. ugh, thanks Araq
18:44:38FromGitter<Vindaar> that still doesn't solve my actual problem, but yay
18:47:21FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> is nimtorch broken?
18:47:21FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> i get a compilation error with the test program, (killing the process just shows things about one file, i belive it might lack a folder in path)
18:47:49FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> the file is autograd_backward.nim
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18:50:35FromGitter<Vindaar> Ok, I'll continue tomorrow. Thanks everyone and have a good evening :)
18:53:33leorize[m]how do you properly export a C++ var without mangling?
18:54:24leorize[m]apparently c++ treats extern on variables differently than C for whatever reason
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18:56:45Zevvclyybber: you here?
18:57:14leorize[m]anyone here familiar with the docgen?
18:57:26leorize[m]https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13201
18:57:27disbot➥ Make file descriptors from stdlib non-inheritable by default
18:57:42leorize[m]I can't get the docs to build :(
18:58:07leorize[m]easiest reproduction is to build doc for nativesockets
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19:19:40Araqleorize[m], keep in mind that the docgen assumes --os:windows
19:22:46leorize[m]then why did it try to evaluate the code path for linux & bsds :/
19:30:43FromDiscord<treeform> I think we should ship win32 and win64 dlls with nimble packages some how... Window dlls are much harder to find and build then Mac or Linux.
19:31:10FromDiscord<treeform> I usually include a dll folder for my libs.
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19:33:47FromDiscord<Recruit_main_70007> write that down @mratsim
19:41:37FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> nimble has pre- and post-hooks for commands/tasks (such as `build`, etc). Could one perhaps have Windows DLLs in a subfolder that's copied to the output folder on build?
19:44:19FromDiscord<DeltaPHC> It's up to the package owner to do that
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21:02:40FromGitter<zacharycarter> hmm mratsim: I'm trying out weave but uhhh
21:03:00FromGitter<zacharycarter> I'm not sure how to store the results from spawn in a sequence
21:03:49FromGitter<zacharycarter> oh nevermind
21:03:58FromGitter<zacharycarter> I forgot you had to specify generic args for `FlowVar`
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21:08:46FromGitter<zacharycarter> well - I still run into an issue...
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21:08:56FromGitter<zacharycarter> the proc I'm trying to spawn - `proc path*[G: Graph, N: Node, D: Distance](graph: G, start, goal: N): seq[N]`
21:09:18FromGitter<zacharycarter> and I get - ``` ⏎ C:\Users\carte\projects\junkers\shipgen.nim(322, 23) template/generic instantiation of `spawn` from here ⏎ C:\Users\carte\projects\junkers\astar.nim(202, 74) Error: Invalid node kind nnkBracketExpr for macros.`$` ⏎ ⏎ `````` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e27687eb674071d4ed1b840]
21:12:58FromGitter<zacharycarter> but I guess this isn't going to work period because of - ``` ⏎ path has arguments managed by GC (ref/seq/strings), ⏎ they cannot be distributed across threads. ⏎ Argument types: (Spaceship, tuple[x: int, y: int], tuple[x: int, y: int]) ⏎ ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5e2769599797b560f2c7dc1c]
21:16:58shashlickanyone has an osx setup I can ssh into and debug stuff? these choosenim bugs hmm
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22:28:46disruptekrequires "foo 0.3" -- does it mean that we accept 0.3.1? or only 0.3.0?
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22:48:14dom96the latter
22:48:28dom96there is an implicit `==` in there
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22:57:20FromDiscord<exelotl> how do you document getters/setters in Nim?
22:57:51FromDiscord<exelotl> Right now I'm putting the doc comment underneath the getter, and leaving the setter undocumented
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22:59:40FromDiscord<exelotl> (i want to describe them as a single property, e.g. "this flag determines the video mode")
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