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00:48:36FromDiscord<primechampion270> discord.gg/prettygirls
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01:28:29FromDiscord<m______________________________l> In reply to @heysokam "> But every new": maybe exaggeration
01:58:34FromDiscord<riku5543> They really spammed all the channels huh 😭
02:45:40FromDiscord<DetermiedNim1> In reply to @alipolo17777 "i love languages like": like ruby!
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07:08:45FromDiscord<riku5543> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/YaJGKEXz
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08:43:43FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @riku5543 "I watched the social": I'm not familiar with the specifics of what araq said but I'd imagine it's the same thing as knowing how locks work in any language
08:43:56FromDiscord<_timurski> as in being familiar with atomics, memory safety, memory visibility
08:45:24FromDiscord<riku5543> In reply to @_timurski "as in being familiar": Does nim have native atomics? Are there any good resources to learn more about them? (It's okay if you don't wanna answer, I could look it up as well)
08:46:03FromDiscord<_timurski> there is std/atomics and probably more stuff related to locks, and you could always read the source code :>
08:46:46FromDiscord<_timurski> though if you wanna learn about them in general then there's other more General resources online for that, just googling how they work at the hardware level since it's not Nim specific
08:47:01FromDiscord<riku5543> Ah okay, thanks :D
09:05:05FromDiscord<shalokshalom> In reply to @riku5543 "I watched the social": Elixir can do that with GenServer, F# has MailboxProcessor and so on. Can all be global and mutable. 🙂
09:08:46FromDiscord<riku5543> Huh, so how does it access the global memory safely? Does it use atomics internally?
09:35:34FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @riku5543 "Huh, so how does": i'm personally not familiar with the implementation details but i think you can get the idea across with how you would do it if you only knew about atomics: have an atomic `bool` that a thread sets when it's using it and releases when it's no longer using it, preventing any concurrent modifications
09:37:00FromDiscord<_timurski> like for example a mutex just means only one thread has access to the variable at any given time (memory safety), + it has guarantees that that thread correctly sees the writes of any previous thread and correctly writes its results before any other thread accesses it (memory visibility)
09:38:40FromDiscord<riku5543> You're awesome, thank you :D Multithreading still scares me so learning about this stuff should make it a lot easier. (And make async programs easier to write too \:P)
09:39:37FromDiscord<_timurski> the low level details can get kind of complex but to be honest you don't need to go down to the hardware instruction level (at least i haven't felt the need for that, and ive done a good bit of work with multithreading for optimization)
09:40:16FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @_timurski "as in being familiar": once you understand those few concepts and how constructs like condition variables and locks are based on the same principles you won't have issues with parallelism
09:42:30FromDiscord<_timurski> but also i read what you said earlier, all of this stuff only applies if you're talking about a multi threaded environment
09:42:45FromDiscord<_timurski> you don't need anything like atomics or locks in the same sense if you're only on 1 thread
09:42:50FromDiscord<_timurski> which is what most web dev people talk about
09:42:59FromDiscord<_timurski> async != parallel
09:43:15FromDiscord<_timurski> in that case you still might want synchronization mechanisms but it's nothing to do with atomics
09:43:35FromDiscord<_timurski> i dont do anything in web dev, but there is a distinction that exists so make sure you're researching the right thing for you
09:49:35FromDiscord<riku5543> Ah the only issue is that I get a compile-time memory safety error for using a global variable inside an async proc.↵↵(Actually I just checked and it's only because I'm using a callback for asynchttpserver's acceptRequest. Earlier I was using raw asyncnet and could access globals there, maybe because I simply asyncCheck'd a client loop..)↵I'll have to look into that lol
10:17:33FromDiscord<gesee37> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=BqRlVlUp
10:18:48FromDiscord<gesee37> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=wCpfpLML" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ABbYuBUb"
10:20:08FromDiscord<gesee37> This way async callback can just take the server as input and pass informations around
11:13:09FromDiscord<c0rey1015> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/lmYwSdEs
11:13:30FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @gesee37 "> There's a particular": also yeah in general global variables are bad practice
11:13:53FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @c0rey1015 "👋 Available for New": have you been hired a single time for anything
11:14:10FromDiscord<_timurski> like ever
11:16:28FromDiscord<0ffh> In reply to @_timurski "like ever": In my experience, those are just spam, I see them on every programming or machine learning related server I visit.
11:16:51FromDiscord<krissh.wtf> might be one of those north korean spies lol
11:22:33FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @0ffh "In my experience, those": yes ik
11:22:42FromDiscord<_timurski> I just hope one day I'll get a response
11:22:47FromDiscord<_timurski> maybe it'll be entertaining
11:22:55FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @_timurski "also yeah in general": I find them useful only when dealealing with macros
11:23:38FromDiscord<gesee37> In reply to @c0rey1015 "👋 Available for New": Hope it works my bro. ↵If you ever get someone I can be your assistant 😭
11:23:54FromDiscord<gesee37> (edit) "dealealing" => "dealing"
11:53:30FromDiscord<lainlaylie> In reply to @c0rey1015 "👋 Available for New": <@&371760044473319454> spam
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22:36:03FromDiscord<emiliajssl> When will Nim migrate its LaTeX generation to Typst 🗣️
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22:52:31FromDiscord<_timurski> TRUE
22:52:40FromDiscord<_timurski> (nim has latec generation?)
22:52:47FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Yeah
22:52:54FromDiscord<emiliajssl> I'm flabbergasted it does
22:53:04FromDiscord<emiliajssl> That it's even the only one that does
22:53:09FromDiscord<emiliajssl> It's like
22:53:12FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Bongers
22:53:16FromDiscord<emiliajssl> 💯
22:53:36FromDiscord<_timurski> ah i see https://nim-lang.org/1.6.6/docgen.html#document-types-latex
22:53:44FromDiscord<_timurski> doesn't seem very useful though tbh
22:53:56FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Why not
22:54:33FromDiscord<_timurski> well, i just dont know if many people are actually compiling nim projects with their docs to LaTeX
22:54:43FromDiscord<_timurski> does it support having LaTeX in documentation actually render as LaTeX?
22:54:55FromDiscord<_timurski> i need to read more carefully but that's the only use i could imagine for that specifically
22:55:01FromDiscord<_timurski> which to be fair would be quire awesome
22:55:07FromDiscord<emiliajssl> In reply to @_timurski "does it support having": I feel that would be a bit problematic
22:55:22FromDiscord<emiliajssl> It's honestly easier to convert from markdown to just latex
22:55:34FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Otherwise then scope cree
22:55:35FromDiscord<emiliajssl> P
22:55:41FromDiscord<_timurski> hmm
22:55:44FromDiscord<emiliajssl> People will ask why doesn't this work properly etc
22:55:51FromDiscord<emiliajssl> I mean
22:56:07FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Having fully offline structure PDF documentation of a language is
22:56:14FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Generally useful
22:56:26FromDiscord<_timurski> i've found that it would be very useful to be honest to have docs render be rendered to actual typst blocks for the stuff i'm working on; if i had the time i'd write a neovim plugin or something that lets you do something like that
22:57:27FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Like doc hover on symbols?
22:57:42FromDiscord<_timurski> like so you could have documentation above a proc like↵## Calculates $cal(M)_p^1$ mass matrix
22:57:48FromDiscord<_timurski> (edit) "like↵##" => "like↵`##" | "matrix" => "matrix`"
22:57:55FromDiscord<_timurski> and it would actually render as typst
22:58:01FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Dunno how that would work at least in vscode, I want to think it converts the MD to html to be rendered
22:58:10FromDiscord<emiliajssl> And typst has html conversion planned
22:58:22FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @_timurski "like so you could": if there was something that took this and generated docs from it that rendered properly that would be divine
22:58:29FromDiscord<_timurski> In reply to @emiliajssl "Dunno how that would": yeah idk its pretty niche
22:58:58FromDiscord<_timurski> laving latex support is cool and typst would be cool too im just not sure how much it would be used when html exists
22:59:01FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Math would be easier
22:59:05FromDiscord<_timurski> yeah
22:59:10FromDiscord<_timurski> it would be a lot easier 😭
22:59:10FromDiscord<emiliajssl> At least the math syntax by typst
22:59:14FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Rather than latex
22:59:21FromDiscord<_timurski> you really can't document math well without rendering math symbols
22:59:38FromDiscord<emiliajssl> In Zig I'm just literally forced to make it into a function as
22:59:47FromDiscord<emiliajssl> It doesn't support any math rendering
22:59:51FromDiscord<_timurski> mass matrices have names.. but certain symbols have no good name except the symbol they're given, which might be some curly R or something
23:00:28FromDiscord<_timurski> maybe one day ill write my own text editor which renders math stuff properly everywhere in the code...
23:01:11FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Nim nim nim
23:01:14FromDiscord<emiliajssl> Typst 🗣️
23:19:12FromDiscord<Aceroph> nim nim nim pss pss pss
23:19:38FromDiscord<Aceroph> does emacs render it properly? i learned that it rendered SVGs↵(@_timurski)