| 00:20:19 | ivanvp_ | not to be a troll, but you think having a windows version is important? |
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| 00:21:00 | ivanvp | perhaps I'm in the wrong sector of programming, but I don't know a single windows dev, especially ones using something other than MS stack |
| 00:24:09 | Araq | so you think he wants to query drives for other developers? ;-) |
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| 00:25:48 | nevercast | You said I can use a Python library in Nim ? |
| 00:25:49 | nevercast | How ? |
| 00:25:58 | Araq | Nimborg |
| 00:26:31 | nevercast | Python and Lua, nice, thanks. |
| 00:27:57 | ivanvp | query drives? |
| 00:28:06 | nevercast | block devices |
| 00:28:11 | nevercast | hard drives, yes. |
| 00:29:00 | Araq | ivanvp: fwiw I don't know a single linux dev who writes commercial software for linux ... ;-) |
| 00:30:56 | nevercast | Looks like there is no *unix/posix standard way for this. OSX might be missing out for awhile. |
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| 00:31:21 | ivanvp | commercial for linux? like for sale? yeah me too actually |
| 00:32:20 | nevercast | I know a Fedora dev, which is as close as it gets being under the RedHat umbrella. That doesn't really count though I guess. |
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| 00:36:45 | Araq | OSX doesn't get drives right anyway, it treats everything the same |
| 00:37:57 | Araq | it's one of my favourite misfeatures. Got an USB stick? good luck trying to free space on it with the finder. it will just move everything to the recycle bin. which is kept on the stick. |
| 00:39:00 | Araq | (yes, I can use the terminal instead, but the average OSX user cannot.) |
| 00:39:31 | nevercast | I'm stuck between a decision on dependencies and portability with the added "difficulty" consideration. I can use util-linux or libparted. But then I have to use their low-level API. I could use a shell tool, but then that has to be installed on the host system. I guess fdisk/gdisk are likely the most common ported tools. Perhaps I should hook their output. A lot of them provide script support (sfdisk, sgdisk) |
| 00:39:50 | nevercast | Araq, the average user will probably expect the recycle bin to be the obvious place, and clear it after. |
| 00:40:04 | nevercast | I think it's stupid. You can Shift+Delete from the USB yes ? |
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| 00:40:27 | Araq | wrong, the average user comes to me instead and ask for my help :P |
| 00:41:09 | nevercast | Oh, yes I get that too. I've started turning people down that use OSX. If they can pay stupid prices for a device, they can pay for tech support too. |
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| 00:48:06 | Araq | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:49:26 | nevercast | On windows I can open \\.\PhysicalDisk0, and this is equivilent to /dev/sda in Linux |
| 00:49:33 | nevercast | Both these files let me read the first disk on the system |
| 00:49:46 | nevercast | But I'd like to not use known constants. I don't know how to query the OS for these paths. |
| 00:50:01 | nevercast | MSDN/Technet is good at providing a Microsoft API for this. Linux is lacking. |
| 00:50:28 | nevercast | OSX I'm not considering at this point. |
| 00:51:08 | Araq | Linux generally expects you knowing the dir hierarchy, so hardcoding /dev/sda is fine I think |
| 00:51:15 | Araq | *you to know |
| 00:51:49 | nevercast | I can read /proc/partitions or /sys/block, that seems fine. |
| 00:52:00 | nevercast | I'll probably go with procfs, it seems more recommended than sys |
| 00:52:26 | nevercast | Another option is udev, but systemd can manipulate udev and I don't know if udev libraries will reflect the rules. |
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| 00:55:14 | nevercast | libudev seems the best way, it queries all devices in Kernel /sys and returns the /dev node. |
| 00:56:58 | Araq | dunno, sounds bad |
| 00:57:11 | Araq | 7 characters long and 3 vowels |
| 00:58:46 | Araq | (boy this joke never gets old :-) ) |
| 01:02:27 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 695e2e9 Araq [+1 ±7 -0]: implemented macros.getImpl |
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| 02:29:22 | nevercast | <Araq> 7 characters long and 3 vowels |
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| 10:18:25 | NimBot | nim-lang/Nim devel 0cc662d Araq [+0 ±1 -0]: fixes bootstrapping |
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| 10:41:08 | federico3 | for Debian users: https://wiki.debian.org/Nim |
| 10:41:14 | federico3 | feedback is welcome |
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| 10:50:25 | wdouglass | federico3: great work! i've been looking forward to a debian package |
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| 12:06:22 | federico3 | wdouglass: oh the compiler is already packaged, the wiki page is about packaging other stuff |
| 12:09:29 | federico3 | did Araq's talk got published? |
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| 13:24:42 | baabelfish | is there a way to apply tuple to a function? |
| 13:29:58 | reactormonk | baabelfish, pass the tuple as arguments? |
| 13:30:05 | baabelfish | reactormonk: indeed |
| 13:30:57 | reactormonk | baabelfish, not that I know of, but you should be able to write a macro that does that - use the proc signature, index the tuple fields and iterate over the sig and assign from the indexed tuple fields. |
| 13:31:09 | reactormonk | ... index by name or by position, whatever you like btter |
| 13:31:25 | baabelfish | reactormonk: nice |
| 13:32:34 | r-ku | macro would work if tuple member count was known at compile time only |
| 13:32:59 | reactormonk | r-ku, isn't that kinda given with a tuple? |
| 13:33:25 | r-ku | idk about nim tuples but python tuples can have any number of things in them |
| 13:33:51 | reactormonk | baabelfish, update your nim and use getImpl - but I'm not really sure how you would do the overload resolution :-/ |
| 13:34:21 | baabelfish | hmh |
| 13:34:24 | reactormonk | r-ku, nah, in statically typed languages, tuples are known at compile time. Otherwise you'd use a map or dict, hash, etc. |
| 13:34:41 | r-ku | good to know, thanks for clarification ;) |
| 13:35:09 | reactormonk | r-ku, feel free to ask. |
| 13:36:24 | reactormonk | baabelfish, pretty sure I asked Araq about that before :-) |
| 13:36:30 | baabelfish | heh |
| 13:39:09 | reactormonk | baabelfish, migth as well poke him about it. |
| 13:39:45 | baabelfish | https://github.com/baabelfish/luabinds#calling-c-functions-from-lua lua.attach("sum", sum) creates a tuple type from the parameter types and a function that creates an instance to be applied to that function |
| 13:40:12 | baabelfish | old shit code, but was wondering if I have to do something similar in the future... |
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| 13:46:35 | filcuc | hi all, i'm the author of the nim qml bindings. I debugged an issue on bsd where my app couldn't start |
| 13:46:57 | filcuc | finally i discovered that the issue was due due to not linking to pthread |
| 13:47:38 | filcuc | basically i use dynlib for dynamically load some functions from a C library |
| 13:48:32 | filcuc | however it seems i must manually link to pthread. is this correct? |
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| 14:15:32 | reactormonk | filcuc, when not defined(macosx): {.passL: "-pthread".} <- maybe it's recognized as macosx? |
| 14:16:22 | reactormonk | if you use --passL:pthread on the nim c command, does that fix your problem? |
| 14:17:51 | filcuc | reactormonk, yes |
| 14:17:57 | filcuc | i had to pass it explictly |
| 14:18:18 | filcuc | reactormonk, https://github.com/filcuc/DOtherSide/commit/f85f02f4aea6ff08653af1eef431f97e44f17668 |
| 14:19:56 | reactormonk | filcuc, are you using threads somewhere then? |
| 14:20:52 | filcuc | reactormonk, well my DOtherSide C library is a wrapper for Qt libraries |
| 14:20:56 | filcuc | so yeah... |
| 14:21:05 | filcuc | i think that Qt use threads :) |
| 14:21:10 | filcuc | and Qml for sure |
| 14:21:19 | reactormonk | filcuc, but not the nim library threads? In that case, just put in {.passL:"-pthreads".} in your code |
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| 14:22:11 | filcuc | reactormonk, where i should put that line? i mean with importc pragma i put them near the function i import |
| 14:22:21 | filcuc | reactormonk, in that case is a global thing... |
| 14:23:18 | reactormonk | filcuc, strange, it should be in there by default... but just dump it somewhere. Doesn't matter. |
| 14:23:55 | reactormonk | filcuc, hm, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/threads.nim#L10-L12 |
| 14:24:07 | reactormonk | actually not sure what the correct solution is. |
| 14:25:36 | filcuc | reactormonk, maybe something is not working correctly on BSD |
| 14:25:56 | filcuc | reactormonk, i can confirm that pthread are not linked by using ldd |
| 14:26:27 | filcuc | without me expliclty adding the --passL:-lpthread ldd doesn't show any link dependency with pthreads |
| 14:27:53 | filcuc | reactormonk, maybe, as you said, BSD is recognized as OSX |
| 14:28:20 | filcuc | reactormonk, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/threads.nim#L112 |
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| 14:51:02 | Araq | reactormonk, filcuc that code is only active with --threads:on |
| 14:51:10 | reactormonk | Araq, he left |
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| 14:51:21 | filcuc | no i'm here |
| 14:51:42 | reactormonk | oh, oops |
| 14:51:56 | filcuc | Araq: so you suggest that the correct thing it's to add --threads:on in my compilation cmake file? |
| 14:52:39 | filcuc | Araq: however in my case i can solve it easily. However a user who install my bindings through nimble must add it manually |
| 14:53:11 | Araq | I'm only explaining the current behaviour |
| 14:53:24 | Araq | I have no opinion on what you should do ;-) |
| 14:53:24 | filcuc | Araq: :| a now that in some way a user must read the documentation. But is there a possibility to make this automatic? |
| 14:56:38 | filcuc | Araq: --threads:on|off turn support for multi-threading on|off |
| 14:56:49 | filcuc | Araq: is there some more doc about what that means? |
| 14:56:59 | filcuc | Araq: for example why can't that be on by default? |
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| 15:02:24 | Araq | dunno what would break with --threads:on as default |
| 15:10:04 | Araq | def-: you tested #3143 (readline) well, I suppose? |
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| 15:14:30 | onionhammer | so it's still 'nims' instead of 'nimscript' atm? |
| 15:14:50 | Araq | yeah |
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| 17:19:08 | dom96 | What's up guys? |
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| 18:26:29 | dom96 | http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/1566 |
| 18:27:11 | Demos | if only I was not moving out this weekend ..... |
| 18:28:02 | federico3 | and I'll be travelling from DebConf |
| 18:28:02 | dom96 | Demos: ahh, that's a pity. Maybe you could do a Mini LD some other time? :) |
| 18:28:12 | Demos | yeah |
| 18:28:18 | Demos | I may work on Phosphor more |
| 18:28:26 | Demos | I wanna add a texture module and DX12 support |
| 18:28:27 | federico3 | what is it? |
| 18:28:37 | dom96 | federico3: we still need to get that pint in Dublin |
| 18:28:37 | Demos | graphics library |
| 18:29:12 | Demos | loads up a (shader) program and uses introspection and such to make it so you can say program.uniformName = someBuffer |
| 18:29:15 | Demos | and that kind of stuff |
| 18:29:19 | federico3 | dom96: indeed, and see if we can summon strcmp1 |
| 18:30:29 | dom96 | federico3: I should be free some time in September, so we can arrange something then. |
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| 18:40:58 | strcmp1 | yeah as long as im still in dublin im down for that |
| 18:41:22 | Demos | are there any other nim people in America? |
| 18:43:03 | dom96 | strcmp1: how long are you in Dublin for? |
| 18:43:17 | dom96 | Demos: There is tons. |
| 18:43:26 | dom96 | We really do need to get a proper map going. |
| 18:43:30 | Demos | yeah |
| 18:43:54 | strcmp1 | dom96, donno. i live here, but i might travel soon |
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| 18:45:07 | dom96 | I see. |
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| 18:45:46 | dom96 | strcmp1: When are you up for meeting up? |
| 18:46:10 | strcmp1 | anytime :) |
| 18:47:16 | dom96 | strcmp1: can you PM your email or another way to contact you? |
| 18:48:26 | strcmp1 | sure |
| 18:49:09 | dom96 | I'll contact you and federico3 whenever I'm free :) |
| 18:49:18 | strcmp1 | sounds good |
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| 18:52:09 | federico3 | I'll be in Dublin on tomorrow night |
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| 19:06:22 | flyx | should I update the package version in a .nimble file immediately after I tag it? |
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| 19:37:33 | dom96 | flyx: before |
| 19:37:58 | dom96 | in most cases the commit your tagging should be changing the version in the .nimble file |
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