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| 03:46:40 | def- | wan: News from the benchmarks: *The laptop overheated and broke down while re-running the benchmarks, so I'm currently setting up a new x86 device to run them. Apologies for the delay in updating the results.* |
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| 07:43:55 | wan | no fucking way. So the ARM was not alone in overheating... |
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| 09:40:26 | bendlas | Hi, I'm having trouble building nim from source |
| 09:40:44 | bendlas | I followed the instructions on installation from github |
| 09:41:51 | bendlas | but I seem to run into https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1651 |
| 09:41:57 | bendlas | even though that's closed |
| 09:44:28 | bendlas | hm, it works on the devel branch, but master is broken |
| 09:55:16 | notfowl | use the devel branch |
| 10:01:02 | notfowl | bendlas, ^ |
| 10:16:00 | Araq_ | bendlas: how can you "run into" #1651 ? |
| 10:16:20 | Araq_ | it's caused by running a wrong shell command |
| 10:16:29 | Araq_ | we fixed the docs in the meantime |
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| 13:57:34 | nickles | Does anyone know, where the 0.10 manuals are? |
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| 14:16:27 | BlaXpirit | yes |
| 14:18:16 | nickles | @BlaXpirit: If that's an answer to my question: very funny :[ Ok, where would that be? |
| 14:18:29 | BlaXpirit | I don't know :| |
| 14:20:57 | flaviu | nickles: They don't seem to be up any more. Previously, they were located at build.nimrod-lang.org/docs/ |
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| 14:25:29 | nickles | @both: thx |
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| 14:26:49 | nickles | Are there any docs as to how to use this chat (commands, etc)? |
| 14:27:14 | flaviu | IRC? Mostly just google. |
| 14:27:43 | * | flaviu is done with /me blah blah, you can /part to leave a channel and /join #channel to join one. |
| 14:30:17 | Araq_ | nickles: 'koch web' produces the full documentation, but it only works on windows. I'm fixing it for Linux. |
| 14:31:09 | Araq_ | speaking of which ... I don't like the readability of the new docs all that much |
| 14:32:50 | Araq_ | the new italics read like crap |
| 14:32:55 | Araq_ | I'll get rid of them |
| 14:35:52 | nickles | @all: thx |
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| 14:43:05 | StefanSalewski | Hello Araq -- I just noticed that Polymorphism does not really work for deprecated proc names. Is that intended, or should I try to learn the github issue tracker for this? |
| 14:43:39 | Araq_ | hrm what do you mean? |
| 14:44:31 | StefanSalewski | I used {.deprecated: [cairo_surface_destroy: destroy].} in wrappers to allow original C function names |
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| 14:44:54 | StefanSalewski | #cairo_surface_destroy(s) # does not work fine: Error: type mismatch: got (Surface) |
| 14:45:19 | StefanSalewski | while destroy(s) works fine. |
| 14:45:53 | Araq_ | interesting |
| 14:46:01 | Araq_ | yeah report it |
| 14:46:35 | StefanSalewski | OK, will report it, thanks. |
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| 14:47:21 | Araq_ | btw we told you the idea has no merit :P |
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| 14:50:48 | StefanSalewski | Yes, when polymorhism does not work, then there is negative benefit. But when porting from C generally there can be benefit: Copy&Past --> long names --> fine deprecated warning --> fast easy fix. |
| 14:51:23 | Araq_ | the fast and easy fix is the same though |
| 14:51:36 | Araq_ | whether you get a deprecation warning or a compilation error |
| 14:53:24 | StefanSalewski | I have ported myself C GTK code to Ruby -- it was not always easy for me to map long to short function names. May be easier in Nim by better compiler warnings. Can Nim compiler guess a good hint? |
| 14:56:27 | StefanSalewski | I may find out how good Nims error messages are soon when trying to port aporia to GTK3 :-) |
| 14:59:36 | Araq_ | well Nim is not Ruby. gotta go, see you later |
| 15:03:11 | StefanSalewski | I really prefer "Warning: use move_to instead; cairo_move_to is deprecated" over "Error: undeclared identifier: 'cairo_move_to'" : Not a big advantage, maybe. Bye... |
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| 15:07:45 | EXetoC | is 'deprecated' used after those declarations? |
| 15:09:18 | EXetoC | the intention is to notify users of deprecations surely, so either you did something wrong or you stumbled upon a bug |
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| 15:31:00 | StefanSalewski | Exetoc: I have the list with deprecated identifiers generally at the bottom of my wrappers -- and it works fine, with the exception that polymorphism does not work. |
| 15:32:02 | StefanSalewski | It is a minor bug -- I will report it at github issue tracker... |
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| 15:40:27 | EXetoC | Araq_: do you think that int|int{lit} should be allowed? |
| 15:41:57 | Araq_ | EXetoC: no. |
| 15:49:29 | EXetoC | Araq_: what about determining if an argument is a compile-time value? where the parameter is neither a const nor a {lit} that is |
| 15:49:44 | EXetoC | but then again we do have templates, so there might not be much of a use for that then |
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| 15:54:58 | Araq_ | already in the works... |
| 15:55:00 | Araq_ | bye |
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| 16:17:12 | boydgreenfield | Araq: Saw your comment re: italics in new docs – can’t say I disagree. Feel free to bold if you think that helps (just add `em, cite {font-weight: 600; color: #484848}`). Example: http://imgur.com/DdMa2P9,wa8N3Kf,B44uwNZ#2 |
| 16:18:18 | boydgreenfield | I’m also note in love with the inline links being all std. text, when they should really be a monospace for code and sans serif for section, etc. links. There, however, I couldn’t see how to readily differentiate them from what was in the rST throughout the documentation. |
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| 19:10:55 | matkuki_ | Is there a svg image available of the Nim logo displayed on the website? |
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| 19:13:30 | flaviu | matkuki: It probably exists, but the guy who made it hasn't been around for a while unfortunately. |
| 19:14:03 | matkuki | flaviu: Thanks for the info. |
| 19:14:42 | flaviu | matkuki: If you want to trace it, http://reign-studios.net/philipwitte/nimrod/new-symbols.png |
| 19:15:03 | flaviu | The logo is the top, third one from the left. |
| 19:15:45 | matkuki | flaviu: cool, thanks |
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| 19:43:43 | Araq_ | hi boydgreenfield, no worries, I already fixed it |
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| 20:04:59 | boydgreenfield | Araq: Ok perfect. Thanks! |
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| 20:40:58 | Araq_ | flaviu: bug #1721 works for me (const foo: seq[string] = @[]) |
| 20:41:13 | Araq_ | and I looked at the code and it should work |
| 20:43:20 | flaviu | Ok. I guess that it just decided to start working? |
| 20:43:44 | flaviu | I usually put a commit num, but I guess I forgot that time. |
| 20:43:47 | flaviu | https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/1708 still is a problem though. |
| 20:45:56 | Araq_ | yeah I know |
| 20:46:43 | Araq_ | anybody on macosx here and not asleep? |
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| 22:39:05 | Araq_ | hey, guys I made minor adjustments to the website |
| 22:39:18 | Araq_ | contrast is better now. opinions? |
| 22:40:53 | flaviu | Araq_: I think you accidentally made the curser different. I doesn't feel right. |
| 22:40:53 | flaviu | I don't see any change in contrast though. |
| 22:41:25 | Araq_ | browser refresh did it for me |
| 22:41:33 | Araq_ | was a visible change |
| 22:41:47 | flaviu | Ah, ok |
| 22:42:33 | flaviu | Yep, significantly better. Although the code is too bright now, IMO |
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| 23:05:42 | j3rky_ | when using static[T] in type declarations of generics, is there a way to access that parameter's value in the bodies of procs? the first response to a forum post (http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/572#3102) suggests that it is not possible. is that still true? |
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| 23:23:49 | Araq_ | j3rky_: static[T] exists for macros |
| 23:23:55 | Araq_ | there you can get the value |
| 23:24:03 | Araq_ | but it's broken anyway |
| 23:24:15 | Araq_ | it'll end up in .experimental |
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| 23:27:16 | j3rky_ | ah ok, thanks Araq. so i guess it's best to not rely on it for now. |
| 23:27:30 | flaviu | Araq_: Are macros to end up in experimental? |
| 23:28:15 | Araq_ | flaviu: no, but I wonder if the code pattern that causes the majority of VM crashes can end up in experimental :P |
| 23:28:30 | flaviu | Which code pattern is that? |
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| 23:33:51 | Araq_ | flaviu: 'VM: ptr/ref T cannot work in general' says my todo |
| 23:34:34 | Araq_ | but also global variables are hard to handle correctly |
| 23:36:22 | Araq_ | I'm still surprised of how hard this thing turned out to be. |
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| 23:36:38 | Mat4 | hello |
| 23:36:45 | Araq_ | hi Mat4 |
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| 23:37:33 | flaviu | But weren't you initially trying to bring a bit of sandboxing to the VM? At least that's when I remember from when I last looked at the code. |
| 23:38:00 | Mat4 | Exist there a language support file for Notepad++ ? |
| 23:47:54 | Araq_ | flaviu: there is sandboxing. |
| 23:49:55 | Araq_ | Mat4: dunno, but notepad++ is based on scintilla which has Nim support, but I think the lexer is pretty outdated |
| 23:50:36 | Mat4 | thanks, I will take a look at scintilla |
| 23:50:56 | flaviu | ok. I'm not sure it's worth it, but I guess you know what you're doing. |
| 23:54:55 | Araq_ | "Error: interpretation requires too many iterations" surely is essential |
| 23:55:16 | Araq_ | RAM usage still not under control but then that's not nearly as important |
| 23:55:25 | Araq_ | and the FFI is not supported anymore. |
| 23:55:33 | Araq_ | that's what I mean by sandboxing |
| 23:55:43 | Araq_ | maybe you have different things in mind |
| 23:56:32 | flaviu | Yes, I did. But no FFI takes care of the majority of sandboxing. |
