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00:23:08FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> I have an array of `int` and I'm shifting contiguous members, e.g. what's in indexes 2..5 gets copied into indexes 4..7.↵↵Currently I'm using `for`/`countdown` and it works fine, but maybe there's a faster way?
00:26:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> using `a[b .. b + size] = a.toOpenArray[c, c + size]` might be faster
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01:50:55FromDiscord<guttural666> how do I get basic comparison operators to work with distinct types, like distinct int? may be my problem here (getting a type mismatch error) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1176701310880460950/image.png?ex=656fd37e&is=655d5e7e&hm=da4b278fb458627623e8ed19284a8a0ea8ca17adc68cfe1022b3c123ab5228c2&
01:52:05FromDiscord<guttural666> actually I'm not sure what the problem is
01:53:10FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You can borrow `inc` or `!=` for int.↵They are defined in system module.
01:55:00FromDiscord<guttural666> so what does one do? implement != for distinct ints?
01:55:18FromDiscord<guttural666> oh you CAN
01:55:21FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#%21%3D.t%2Cuntyped%2Cuntyped↵Just borrow `==` and you can do `!=`.
01:56:05FromDiscord<guttural666> how do I borrow
01:56:23FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#distinct-type-modeling-currencies
01:57:18FromDiscord<guttural666> aahhh, thanks didn't even know about this at all
02:10:43FromDiscord<guttural666> don't get how this is supposed to work https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1176706292937658449/image.png?ex=656fd822&is=655d6322&hm=1d6fa2bfd7efd4b93459f853bedb049ac6a7cd0a53b8ee63b7618d9a04a136b4&
02:11:40FromDiscord<guttural666> and why this should not work by default, what's the point in having distinct types if they are a pain in the ass
02:16:03FromDiscord<demotomohiro> `!=` is a template https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#%21%3D.t%2Cuntyped%2Cuntyped↵It should get `!=` if you borrow `==`.
02:16:36FromDiscord<guttural666> hmm
02:18:34FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-distinct-type
02:19:41FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Distinct type create a new type and it might work differently from base type.
02:20:19FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Damn bridge down 😄
02:20:21FromDiscord<guttural666> yeah, but I wonder why they don't "inherit" all the functionality by default and just let users override it if necessary
02:20:27FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Cause that's not distinct
02:20:32FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> that's a form of 'weak distinct'
02:21:08FromDiscord<guttural666> well it at least forces you to explicitly cast, and it adds a bit of expressiveness
02:21:56FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> The point is that the internal storage is the same but the interface is not
02:22:02FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> you can make converters to emulate weak distincts
02:22:39FromDiscord<guttural666> hmm
02:22:53FromDiscord<guttural666> probably makes sense
02:23:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4M6I
02:23:58FromDiscord<guttural666> going to prefer the :%s/Base/int conversion right now 😄
02:27:13FromDiscord<guttural666> but I think I understand the reasoning, so thanks
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06:08:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @guttural666 "and why this should": Type safety perhaps
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07:36:16PMunchAs a counter point, what's the point of having distinct types if they are the same as the base type?
07:36:50PMunchThe whole point of distinct types is that they share the same storage type as their base, but come with different semantics
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07:38:43PMunchFor example let's say you have a `type Timestamp = distinct uint`, it probably doesn't make sense to do `myTimestamp div 2`, and at the same time it doesn't make sense to have `myInt += 10.seconds`. But `myInt div 2` makes sense, and so does `myTimestamp += 10.seconds`. These are types with different semantics, but which both share the same storage type
07:40:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Weak distincts are a nice premise
07:40:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Where you want to prevent implicit conversions to the type, but want to have all the operations of the parent
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07:45:48PMunchMaybe the `type Bar {.borrow: '.'.} = distinct Foo` syntax should be extended to an argument-less version which does that
07:46:45PMunchHmm, might be tricky to implement though..
07:47:16PMunchTake the above example what should the `+` operation between two `Timestamp` distincts do?
07:48:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Something declarative like my lender toy seems ideal
07:48:09PMunchShould `proc '+'(x, y: int): int` be turned into `proc '+'(x, y: Timestamp): Timestamp`?
07:48:22PMunchLender toy?
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07:49:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/nimtrest/blob/master/lender.nim#L226-L242 solves all ambiguity
07:50:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It also does not do what the compiler does, it just emits a procedure annotated `inline`
07:50:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The compiler uses the exact same procedure for all borrows
07:50:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Which means it falls apart in many places
07:51:40PMunchAh right, so you just tell it how you expect to be able to use it and it figures the rest out itself?
07:52:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea it emits procedures that call the code based off what you wrote
07:53:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does not handle generics though
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08:00:07Amun-Rayou rarely need all the operations of the base type
08:00:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Right but sometimes you do
08:01:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I really like how strict distinct is, but there are some times 😄
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08:01:30Amun-Raright, I like the way they are implemented, I usually add one/two borrows top :>
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10:08:30FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> What is fastest way to iterate over `seq[(int, int)]`? If it makes any difference, I want to `return true` if `(int, int) in seq[(int, int)]`, but since this can be called many times on big seqs, it'd be nice to know what is most performant approach
10:11:05FromDiscord<odexine> hashset?
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10:32:21PMunchYeah, the most performant solution is to not use a seq for this
10:42:42FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> Are they expandable though?
10:50:28FromDiscord<anuke> yes
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10:52:49FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @toma400 "What is fastest way": can your seq contain a given `(int, int)` multiple times?
11:17:10FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> In reply to @nnsee "can your seq contain": I made check for it to exclude those
11:17:31FromDiscord<nnsee> what you want is a hash set
11:17:36FromDiscord<nnsee> https://nim-lang.org/docs/sets.html
11:18:31FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> Gotcha, seems indeed like perfect thing ❤️
11:18:41FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> I guess also doing HashSet comparison would be easier that way
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12:24:05FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> hey yall, I wanted to get started with hacking and malware development specifically. So, At the moment I know the basics of python, like a higher level understanding of programming and programs and all. Have made few programs as well
12:24:19FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> So, should I get started with nim for making malwares?
12:32:59PMunchWe certainly don't want people to use Nim for malware as it keeps triggering false positives with AV for us who use Nim for more legitimate purposes
12:33:19PMunchMost people around here won't help out either if it seems like you're writing malware for this exact purpose
12:33:52PMunchMay I suggest a more productive pursuit of programming?
12:34:19FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pr0c_mm3r "So, should I get": why specifically malware? why not anything else?
12:34:28FromDiscord<nnsee> malware development is generally frowned upon here
12:34:41FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> why not just mc server implementation 🤔
12:34:47FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @nnsee "why specifically malware? why": well Im specifically interested in that and cybersec
12:35:03FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> Nothing unethical though, Might just test them in a VM
12:35:24FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "We certainly don't want": wait so, nim is just used for bypassing AV?
12:35:54FromDiscord<nnsee> AVs for VMs also submit samples to AV vendors which means nim keeps ending up in the AV shitlist
12:36:04FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "May I suggest a": Im specifically interested in the field of cybersec, that's why I asked 😐
12:36:32FromDiscord<nnsee> there's a million things to do in cybersec besides writing malware
12:36:42FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @nnsee "AVs for VMs also": that's why I asked, is nim specifically for bypassing AV
12:36:55FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @nnsee "there's a million things": RE and binexp?
12:37:09FromDiscord<nnsee> in fact i'm very confident that >95% of people working in the cybersec field do _not_ write malware
12:37:32PMunchNim is certainly not used only for bypassing AV. In has unfortunately become somewhat popular with malware writers. I guess the single stand-alone binary and good performance while staying ergonomic is as good a selling point to them as it is to the rest of us.
12:37:54FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pr0c_mm3r "that's why I asked,": not sure what you mean by this. Nim is a general purpose programming language. The fact that it is used by a large number of people for writing malware and Nim happens to end up in AV shitlists is an unfortunate side effect of the language being good
12:38:23FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pr0c_mm3r "RE and binexp?": for example. Or vuln research
12:38:48FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "Nim is certainly not": oh, so Is it a good language to learn now? Im only familiar with basics of python
12:38:52PMunchThe problem is hat as people write malware in Nim it gets submitted to AV vendors. These vendors are typically pretty bad at getting counter examples when new languages roll around, so their fingerprinting algorithms end up just fingerprinting Nimisms. This leads to completely legitimate programs written in Nim (including the compiler itself) being confused for malware.
12:39:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "why not just mc": Pain lol, have you worked on your impl recently or?
12:39:30FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @nnsee "for example. Or vuln": well, I gotta learn networking first for anything else yeah? Say, network hacking?
12:39:41FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> Im interested in that joint as well
12:40:06FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Pain lol, have you": currently i'm translate my ue4 game external game cheat to full C, with pain in ass
12:40:13PMunchI'll urge you once more to
12:40:17FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit) removed "game"
12:40:26FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pr0c_mm3r "well, I gotta learn": well in any field it's good to have a grasp of the underlying subject before delving into the offensive side of it
12:40:26PMunchWhoops, that sentence wasn't complete..
12:40:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "currently i'm translate my": Ah fair
12:40:44FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit) "C," => "C (nim compilation backend),"
12:41:04FromDiscord<nnsee> i have a degree in "Ethical Hacking and Network Security" and a lot of what we studied was just regular networking
12:41:16PMunchI was about to say that I urge you once more to consider something more productive for your programming endeavors
12:41:20FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> So, can I try anything else specifically in nim in this field?
12:41:45PMunchYou _can_ do pretty much anything in Nim
12:41:55FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> But first things first, is learning it gonna be worth it for me? Like, I am just familiar with python like I said earlier
12:42:09FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "You _can_ do pretty": could you give me some examples?
12:42:18FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> Network based for example?
12:45:20FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> hey man?
12:57:25PMunchJust think of anything, then imagine Nim doing it
12:58:40FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "Just think of anything,": so nim is a good language for me
12:58:58PMunchNim is a good language for anyone
12:59:11PMunchBut whether you are good for the Nim language or not I'm not so sure
12:59:22FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> Perhaps that syntax would make it easier for me to shift to it. Also I dont necessarily have to know lower level languages like C?
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12:59:37FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "But whether you are": Im not so sure of the use cases, that's why
12:59:53FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pr0c_mm3r "Perhaps that syntax would": no, but knowing C concepts comes in handy
13:00:00PMunchYou don't have to know C, but it certainly helps
13:00:00FromDiscord<nnsee> but generally no
13:00:46PMunchpr0c_mm3r, that was a jab at you for wanting to use Nim for malware purposes.
13:02:47FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> got any good resources though?
13:03:04PMunchGoogle is pretty good these days I've heard
13:03:13PMunchHas answers for all sorts of stuff, not only Nim
13:03:28FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "<@832568108744048641>, that was a": lmao, Ill just keep that shit on hold for later, I might just get started with network hacking
13:06:16FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @PMunch "Has answers for all": great, : D
13:06:38FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> maybe even write a google dork script to download relevant stuff? xd
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13:13:27FromDiscord<nnsee> hackerman starter pack
13:13:37FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> lmfao
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14:07:25FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> @nnsee can you tell me what you're doing in cybersec? Pentester?
14:08:19FromDiscord<nnsee> pentester, redteamer, vuln researcher, cyber exercise development
14:08:43FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> damn, you're a whole package, : O
14:09:06FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> so ig you started off having interest in this field?
14:09:16FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> With programming and stuff?
14:10:40FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> ig later on instead of maldev, Ill do re and binary exploitation
14:10:42FromDiscord<nnsee> well my interest in the field got started when i was quite young, around 10 i would say, and i had gotten a game console (the original PSP) and wanted to know how to get free games on it
14:10:42FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> in nim
14:11:24FromDiscord<nnsee> you had to "jailbreak" your PSP which iirc involved opening an image file which abused a flaw in the image parser and enabled loading unsigned applications
14:11:36FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> In reply to @nnsee "well my interest in": sheesh, you did start off at a young age
14:12:00FromDiscord<nnsee> to 10-year old me, opening an image and having text fly across the screen, the PSP suddenly rebooting itself and it magically being able to run any old application was so, so cool to me
14:12:24FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> of course
14:12:39FromDiscord<nnsee> that's where my IT interest started from
14:13:07FromDiscord<nnsee> a totally unrelated story arc was me installing linux on my PC because it looked cool when i was like 12 and getting really, really into linux
14:13:32FromDiscord<nnsee> and another one being me picking up programming to write mods for games and stuff
14:13:55FromDiscord<pr0c_mm3r> hmm, guess that winds up to you being a overall tech savvy, since you were 10
14:14:11FromDiscord<nnsee> when i was a bit older, i started buying used networking devices online and hacking them because it was fun
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14:14:21FromDiscord<nnsee> started a blog too, after a while
14:14:27FromDiscord<nnsee> got a job thanks to it, so no regrets
14:22:33FromDiscord<nnsee> https://nns.ee if you're interested, shameless self plug
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14:37:32PMunchWas 10, PSP just released.. That made me feel old
14:38:07PMunchI think if modding was as big as it was back when I was a kid that's where I would have started. What initially drove me to CS was trying to code games
14:41:31FromDiscord<nnsee> wait, how old are you again?
14:48:20PMunchMe?
14:48:27PMunchI'm 31
14:49:53arkanoidnnsee, nice blog!
14:56:53FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> In reply to @nnsee "and another one being": This sounds so amazing. Honestly modding was my entry to programming, and funnily also a reigniter. But I love that story about PSP jailbreaking, sounds amazing even now (maybe because I'm huge emulator fan too)
14:57:32PMunchYeah that jailbreaking with an image sounds super cool
14:57:41PMunchMaybe I'll dig my PSP out of the basement
14:57:54PMunchIt unfortunately has a stuck shoulder button though..
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15:19:19FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @arkanoid "<@961485620075720734>, nice blog!": thanks!
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15:29:13FromDiscord<jviega> Young whippersnappers
15:30:26FromDiscord<jviega> There's got to be someone older than me in this community, but over a year later, I have no clue who it would be
15:34:28FromDiscord<nixfreak> hmm
15:43:39arkanoidjviega, well, one year later, earth people tend to go +1
16:04:30FromDiscord<srabb> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4M9U
16:04:42FromDiscord<jviega> You have to add ~/.nimble/bin to your path
16:05:23FromDiscord<srabb> In reply to @jviega "You have to add": can you explain that to me please
16:05:34FromDiscord<srabb> im really new to nim and linux and all of that
16:06:02FromDiscord<jviega> In your .profile add to the end, `export PATH=$PATH:~/.nimble/bin` and then log out and log back in
16:06:27FromDiscord<jviega> (or, execute the file again with `. ~/.profile`)
16:07:26FromDiscord<srabb> In reply to @jviega "In your .profile add": .profile?
16:07:40FromDiscord<jviega> Do you know how to edit a file on your computer?
16:07:43FromDiscord<srabb> i guess so
16:07:47FromDiscord<jviega> Edit the file named ~/.profile
16:08:13FromDiscord<srabb> where is it
16:09:37FromDiscord<jviega> In ~/.profile
16:09:53FromDiscord<jviega> If it doesn't exist yet you'll be creating it
16:10:04FromDiscord<srabb> what directory is the file on
16:10:44FromDiscord<srabb> the same on as my nim file?
16:11:04FromDiscord<jviega> The ~/ specifies the directory
16:11:16FromDiscord<jviega> ~ means your home directory
16:41:28FromDiscord<srabb> where is .profile i cant find it
16:43:36FromDiscord<srabb> i found it using ls -a
16:43:46FromDiscord<srabb> but i dont know how to edit it using the terminal
16:45:49FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I set environment variable on .bashrc.
16:47:06FromDiscord<demotomohiro> If you run `export PATH=$PATH:~/.nimble/bin` on your terminal you can use Nim.↵But you have to run that command everytime you longin to terminal.
16:49:23FromDiscord<redmechanics> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Maa
16:50:03FromDiscord<srabb> In reply to @demotomohiro "If you run `export": ok finally i installed it thanks
16:50:35FromDiscord<demotomohiro> `echo 'export PATH=$PATH:~/.nimble/bin' >> .profile` adds the command to `.profile`.↵Anyway, in general running random commonds on the internet without knowing what it does is not secure though.
16:56:05FromDiscord<bostonboston> I thought I remembered reading somewhere you can hide the call to nimMain show how when making a dll, is that true
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16:58:35FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @redmechanics "i am writting an": How about to add bound check when you access seq or add `assert line.len > argIndex` before doing `line[argIndex]`.
17:05:50FromDiscord<apetransaction> how do i assign variables from asyncronous things https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1176931559274729603/Screen_Shot_2023-11-22_at_11.05.33_AM.png?ex=6570a9ee&is=655e34ee&hm=909ad1ac3188a6a628c6716c98423b2c07ad1c77c95a7567bbbe8f96084c72c8&
17:05:54FromDiscord<apetransaction> i cant find how
17:06:08FromDiscord<apetransaction> i wanna get the responce from here but i cant find a way to
17:12:51FromDiscord<that_dude.> In reply to @bostonboston "I thought I remembered": Thought it was behind a nomain flag or smth
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17:18:40FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> Forgive me stupid followup to that `seq/hash set` question above, but... will OrderedHashSet perform better than regular HashSet? Or it doesn't matter at all?
17:18:46FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> (edit) "Forgive me stupid followup to that `seq/hash set` question above, but... will OrderedHashSet perform better than regular HashSet? Or ... it" added "does" | removed "doesn't"
17:20:33FromDiscord<odexine> i would assume that it would perform worse
17:37:41FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> In reply to @odexine "i would assume that": Why so? :o
17:37:56FromDiscord<odexine> ordering needs to be additionally tracked
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17:44:31arkanoidnim forum input has been broken for me for quite some time: I can't click preview, I get zero feedback after clicking "reply" (but it's posting!)
17:46:33arkanoidsome errors in console
17:46:36arkanoidUncaught Error: Error: unhandled exception: karax.nim(644, 14) `same(kxi.currentTree, document.getElementById(kxi.rootId))`
17:46:52FromDiscord<bootymonster69> Good to see so much activity
17:47:38arkanoidclicking on "preview" returns HTTP 400 on POST https://forum.nim-lang.org/preview
17:48:44FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> In reply to @odexine "ordering needs to be": So like not only during initial ordering, but also later, to make sure it stayed intact?
17:49:01FromDiscord<odexine> yes
17:54:25FromDiscord<TӨMΛ ☠> Thank you so much ❤️
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18:25:02NimEventerNew thread by ggb-sw1: Can someone tell me how to read the AST associated with a varaible?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10669
18:27:44FromDiscord<jviega> @bostonboston yes it's true, you can put it in a constructor so it gets called before main()
18:49:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hey y'all, out of curiosity, is it realistic to model human language in a way that something like Tensorflow or Arraymancer could generate language without relying on an LLM or similar?
18:50:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's hard to model the idea I have tbh
18:50:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But, rather than having massive training sets of what are basically examples of the human language, would it, even in very loose theory, be possible to do something like that?
18:50:39FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Hey y'all, out of": if you don't want to rely on a LLM what do you want to rely on?
18:50:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "if you don't want": Built from the ground up, to see if it's even possible
18:51:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I should probably look into learning data science in general for this tbh
18:51:32arkanoidbootymonster69: it could be just me
18:51:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's a vague concept of illogical thought processes meshing together :p
18:51:50FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Built from the ground": I have char-RNN shakespeare generator but that was impressive in 2015: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/master/examples/ex06_shakespeare_generator.nim
18:52:31FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I should probably look": Look for "Transformers"↵↵keywords: BERT, attention is all you need
18:52:48FromDiscord<mratsim> Maybe try experimenting with spaCy first
18:53:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> SpaCy?
18:53:11FromDiscord<mratsim> Rasa-NLU might have tutorials as well
18:53:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Char-RNN? :p
18:53:43FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "SpaCy?": https://spacy.io
18:53:56FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Char-RNN? :p": character based Recurrent Neural Network
18:54:03arkanoidfound the culprit, it was a firefox extension
18:54:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh neat
18:54:55FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Char-RNN? :p": Text generated after training on Shakespeare: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/master/examples/ex06_shakespeare_generator.nim#L413
18:55:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That looks hella cool!
18:56:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "Text generated after training": That's actually better than I expected honestly
18:56:30FromDiscord<Phil> TIL Arraymancer is not just about hyper efficient weird math algo stuff on N dimensional array data structures
18:56:41FromDiscord<odexine> lol
18:56:42FromDiscord<Phil> It is about hyper efficient weird math algo stuff for ML!
18:56:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Still mostly gibberish obviously but, somehow more consistent than I thought
18:56:48FromDiscord<odexine> phil arraymancer was always about ML
18:56:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "It is about hyper": That... Wasn't common knowledge?
18:57:14FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "That... Wasn't common knowledge?": Look I literally never read the README, I saw the name mentioned occasionally
18:57:23FromDiscord<Phil> I saw array and checked out
18:57:42FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I never even read the README before, just knew from context-
18:58:06FromDiscord<odexine> 👀
18:58:24FromDiscord<odexine> i was working on a colour palette extractor a while back using arraymancer
19:03:54FromDiscord<mratsim> I actually wanted to have it play games:
19:04:19FromDiscord<mratsim> https://github.com/mratsim/agent-smith
19:05:29FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @odexine "i was working on": wow I was using OpenAI color palette in 2018, https://github.com/mratsim/agent-smith/blob/a2d9251e289f92f6b5fb68e19a98d16b00f2694c/examples/ex02_00_pong_cem.nim#L67
19:06:39FromDiscord<odexine> well i wasnt using any machine learning, i was just using the usual k-means and w/e
19:07:09FromDiscord<odexine> it didnt turn out too well and someone had kinda already made what i wanted kinda so i somewhat-dropped it
19:07:13FromDiscord<odexine> it was pretty damn slow too
19:07:47FromDiscord<odexine> i gotta go for now tho its 4 am i have things to do by 9 xdddddddddd
19:07:59FromDiscord<mratsim> I don't remember if I have k-means implemented
19:17:38FromDiscord<odexine> You do
19:21:05FromDiscord<redmechanics> i have an interpreter for a language i am making and when in the interpreted fie
19:37:23FromDiscord<redmechanics> anyone got any idea of somthing i could code ?
20:02:13NimEventerNew thread by mszs: Nimlsp does not see packages installed with nimble, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10671
20:03:14FromDiscord<fowl.mouth> In reply to @redmechanics "anyone got any idea": Code up something that suggests ideas for projects to code
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20:04:15NimEventerNew thread by mishankov: Yahttp - simple HTTP client, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10672
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20:11:00Amun-Raor code up something that codes up projects
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20:16:10FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> hm, i think i love nim `distinct` in interpop with c..
20:16:22Amun-Rayes
20:17:53Amun-Raespecially enum flags
20:19:11FromDiscord<.bobbbob> Im a bit confused on how to get an uploaded file with jester. I can do request.params["image"] to get the name of the uploaded image but im not sure how to get the actual image and save it to a file. anyone know?
20:19:15Amun-RaI mean: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Mb6
20:22:57FromDiscord<ezquerra> In reply to @isofruit "TIL Arraymancer is not": Actually it is quite useful for signal processing too
20:27:39FromDiscord<redmechanics> can nim be used for ai / machine learning if yes does anyone have ressources ?
20:28:23NimEventerNew thread by mishankov: Some sort of interface-like functionality or varargs, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10673
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21:20:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @mratsim "I actually wanted to": Oh that sounds super fun
21:27:19FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @redmechanics "can nim be used": You may want to scroll up and see me realizing like a dumbass that one of nim's most prominent projects called arraymancer is in fact for ML
21:27:42FromDiscord<Phil> So yeah, there are corresponding projects
21:28:19FromDiscord<Phil> Also running `nimble search machine learning` grants you a fair list of projects to look at. Or searching for that on nimble.directory
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22:14:03FromDiscord<Dralhim> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4MbK
22:15:12FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @odexine "You do": probably need some optim then, reduction/aggregation/summarization algo are tricky to make fast.↵I have a couple in Arraymancer that get slower the more thread I have.
22:17:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In Nim chars are ordinals
22:17:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So yes it's what you said
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22:21:21FromDiscord<bostonboston> Can you only use `{.strdefine.}` in your main module
22:21:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No you should be able to use it everywhere
22:25:05FromDiscord<bostonboston> Ah, it must be exported
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22:35:28arkanoidnim -h: --eval:cmd evaluate nim code directly; e.g.: `nim --eval:"echo 1"` defaults to `e` (nimscript) but customizable: `nim r --eval:'for a in stdin.lines: echo a'`
22:35:36arkanoidwhat does it mean "defaults to `e`"
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22:36:10FromDiscord<bostonboston> `nim e` as opposed to `nim c` right?
22:36:46arkanoidoh! ok, now I see with nim --fullhelp
22:36:48arkanoidthanks
22:37:37FromDiscord<bostonboston> You got it, I was gonna compare it to how `nim r` defaults to `nim c`
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23:17:51arkanoidbostonboston I just benchmarked nim r with and without caching, debug/release, nim e, bash, python, ruby for a trivial task: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10595#71310
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23:26:00arkanoidI mean for scripting
23:32:03FromDiscord<bostonboston> Interdasting
23:32:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Now do `--cc:tcc`
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23:46:17arkanoidElegantbeef, never used it, let me try
23:48:31arkanoidError: `--tlsEmulation:on` must be used when using threads with tcc backend
23:48:42arkanoidnot using threads, not using tls
23:49:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--threads:off`
23:49:19arkanoidtcc: error: undefined symbol 'fabs'
23:49:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Threads are always imported with nim 2.0 which means that it stopped working with TCC, as it's not a supported C compiler anywho
23:49:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah shame
23:49:51arkanoid?
23:50:45arkanoidI thing I'm trying to compile the most trivial nim program possible (countup and increment)
23:52:46arkanoidit works with --passl:"-ldl -lm"