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| 00:33:42 | dhasenan | Looks like you have to define a nimble or babel package to get them to behave. |
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| 01:16:35 | EXetoC | yeah |
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| 01:54:50 | fowl | can two modules have the same name? hopefully not |
| 02:04:23 | EXetoC | fowl: some two modules are bound to share the same name so I think it should work. making the names unique by renaming generates a linker error though |
| 02:05:02 | EXetoC | "import a.a as a_a" is a little awkward though, but I guess it could be turned into a convention |
| 02:06:51 | EXetoC | it's like re-inventing hierarchies |
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| 02:21:00 | fowl | a/a ends up as a_a.c and a/b ends up as a_b.c |
| 02:21:13 | fowl | er b/a is b_c.c |
| 02:21:32 | fowl | doesnt it? |
| 02:24:10 | EXetoC | fowl: no, I just get a.c and a.o, but I probably need to add package files |
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| 02:27:39 | fowl | EXetoC, if making it a babel package solves it then it really isnt a problem |
| 02:30:25 | EXetoC | fowl: are you referring to the linker issue? and yes that does it |
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| 02:34:06 | EXetoC | I would prefer it if we wouldn't have to simulate hierarchies, but I find it easy to deal with. it would be nice to have the option of qualifying symbols with additional path components though, if necessary to make the code more clear or simply to have the ability to resolve collisions without renaming |
| 02:35:12 | EXetoC | not that two modules names can have the same name anyway, regardless of whether or not it's later referred to by name |
| 02:35:24 | EXetoC | time for another forum discussion |
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| 08:42:02 | BlaXpirit | apparently ref types don't work in VM |
| 08:44:31 | BlaXpirit | .eval type T = ref object; proc n(t: T): int = 5; const b = T().n; echo b |
| 08:44:33 | Mimbus | BlaXpirit: 5 |
| 08:44:49 | BlaXpirit | but in this code it does work?? |
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| 09:23:14 | ddum | Hi, I am trying to build character.nim in urhonimo/examples |
| 09:23:32 | ddum | But it fails with: urhonimo/examples/nimcache/stdlib_times.cpp:12:8: error: ‘tzset’ was not declared in this scope |
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| 09:41:08 | LoneTech | I managed to get a LED blinking on an msp430. next step will be detecting a button using an interrupt, I think. |
| 09:41:45 | LoneTech | then on to the complicated mess.. voltage scaling, clock system setup, usb |
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| 09:49:21 | gokr | ddum: Ehm... sounds familiar. Are you using devel branch of nim? |
| 09:50:18 | ddum | Yes, updated today: Nim Compiler Version 0.10.3 (2015-03-23) [Linux: amd64] |
| 09:51:37 | ddum | libc6 installed version: 2.19-0ubuntu6.6 |
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| 09:52:57 | gokr | ddum: Ok, let me check |
| 09:53:11 | ddum | thank you! |
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| 09:55:10 | gokr | ddum: Just pulled and did koch boot on nim, then built character.nim fine here. Ubuntu. |
| 09:56:31 | ddum | Does your: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/time.h declare tzset() function? Mine doesnt |
| 09:57:01 | def- | Hm, in the times module it imports sys/time.h but according to tzset's manpage on Linux you just need time.h |
| 09:57:03 | gokr | No hit with grep there |
| 09:57:57 | def- | I think the tzset is quite new and was introduced for some mac os x problems |
| 09:58:16 | LoneTech | tzset is in time.h per posix, judging by the ifdef in there |
| 09:58:55 | LoneTech | freebsd and macosx also list it in time.h per man pages |
| 09:59:10 | gokr | I guess related: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/issues/2301 |
| 09:59:14 | def- | I get the same error |
| 10:00:44 | def- | <times.h> instead of <sys/times.h> fixes it, I'll make a PR |
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| 10:04:36 | ddum | works :) |
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| 11:45:01 | john_smith | Hello, everyone! I wrote a translation of java program for binarytrees benchmark from benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org. http://pastebin.com/mxkrS6Xw here's the source code. The problem is that java program runs in 6.3s +- 0.5s. My finishes in 1:03m +- 2s. Any suggestions on how to improve performance? |
| 11:45:59 | LoneTech | that reminds me I haven't checked how to profile nim programs |
| 11:47:43 | LoneTech | john_smith: why are you calling new(left) before assigning a value to left? |
| 11:50:06 | john_smith | Well, I needed to do this for result so I thought that I need to do this for left and right as well. |
| 11:50:48 | LoneTech | no, the problem was result was nil. since you're about to assign left and right, that doesn't matter. |
| 11:51:18 | john_smith | Oh, right. Thanks. |
| 11:53:30 | LoneTech | if bottomUpTree returned a TreeNode rather than a TreeNodeRef you wouldn't have to do that new either. I'm still new to nim, so I could miss things |
| 11:55:02 | Ven | I'm wondering. nim-js is a different backend, right? But maybe nim->c->llvm->emscripten would have worked? |
| 11:55:42 | qwr | john_smith: it might be faster to use tuple instead of object |
| 11:56:00 | def- | Ven: from what I gathered you can indeed use emscripten with Nim |
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| 12:01:32 | def- | john_smith: The winning C implementation on Benchmarks Game is so cheating. In the rules it says "Please don't implement your own custom memory pool or free list." but they do just that |
| 12:01:38 | def- | This looks like an interesting benchmark for GC |
| 12:17:40 | LoneTech | yes, the winning C entry is a test of Apache runtime memory pools, not the standard library malloc |
| 12:18:59 | LoneTech | I guess the one at 11x is the reference version |
| 12:19:58 | LoneTech | also, I suspect the stretch tree should be deallocated earlier; it is a specific step in the spec |
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| 12:23:43 | LoneTech | doing a full collect after that check makes no speed difference though. java's advantage may be from a more advanced gc strategy |
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| 12:27:02 | sepisoad | why c2nim excludes static class members but includes private and protected members |
| 12:28:31 | LoneTech | because static class members aren't part of the objects, I would guess |
| 12:30:10 | LoneTech | I didn't even know it tried to process C++ |
| 12:39:16 | Ven | is there some kind of parsing module for nim? i.e. with EBNF |
| 12:41:15 | LoneTech | perhaps pegs? http://nim-lang.org/pegs.html |
| 12:41:58 | Ven | LoneTech: will look into it ty |
| 12:44:43 | EXetoC | does 'nimble build' not fail for anyone else? either it doesn't find the 'nim' dep or it doesn't do anything related to building |
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| 12:52:01 | LoneTech | the pegs documentation leaves something to be desired, though. it claims a regular expression does not behave as intended, but didn't declare the intent; the only conclusion is that the RE is misconstructed, not that REs as such are weak. |
| 12:52:39 | LoneTech | the difference it describes does not make REs non-deterministic |
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| 12:56:16 | qwr | RE is deterministic for detecting whether there is match or not |
| 12:57:22 | qwr | but there can be different ways how parts of RE are applied to the input sequence, so the captures from RE match are implementation specific |
| 12:57:53 | EXetoC | LoneTech: I wouldn't mind using only PEG, but that module does indeed need some work |
| 12:58:37 | LoneTech | like an example of how to use it to build an AST. |
| 13:03:07 | EXetoC | I suspect that you need a ton of separate grammars becuase of the fact that it generates a 1-d array, and so things become ambiguous when repetition is involved |
| 13:03:37 | EXetoC | more than one repetition to be exact |
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| 13:03:59 | LoneTech | yes. I mean a parser generator capable of recursive processing would be of use, and the pegs module isn't that currently |
| 13:05:04 | LoneTech | there are parser modules for json, csv, sql, xml, and rst in the library. but they don't seem to build on this |
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| 13:07:58 | EXetoC | I like imperative parsing. it would be nice to have equivalent PEGs though |
| 13:10:09 | LoneTech | I think Parsec might be a good example to refer to |
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| 14:13:25 | EXetoC | Araq: a.type(b) worked before, but now it's expanded to type(a, b). is it not supposed to work? if so, can it still be done in a single statement? |
| 14:16:47 | EXetoC | type(b)(a) does work. |
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| 14:19:34 | BlaXpirit | o.o |
| 14:20:12 | BlaXpirit | type(a, b) makes no sense |
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| 14:23:06 | EXetoC | BlaXpirit: keep in mind that 'type' is defined in the system module: "proc `type`*(x: expr): typeDesc {.magic: "TypeOf", noSideEffect.}" |
| 14:23:40 | BlaXpirit | ah i get what you mean by this |
| 14:23:44 | EXetoC | and so the method call syntax applies here too |
| 14:24:00 | BlaXpirit | well this is abuse of method call syntax, i'm glad it fails :| |
| 14:28:30 | EXetoC | I guess it's more consistent now |
| 14:32:46 | LoneTech | I've had worse pains writing interrupt handlers: https://github.com/lonetech/nim-msp430/blob/master/blink.nim |
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| 14:34:12 | LoneTech | it will be interesting to write a usb device stack in nim |
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| 14:59:09 | xxx | any good way to cross-compile for linux from mac? Would love to use the fact that nim deploys statically linked binaries to make running stuff remotely/across a cluster easier |
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| 15:00:26 | tstm | I'd use a VM. But perhaps there are some cross compiling options as well.. |
| 15:00:57 | xxx | eh, yeah, if a vm is the only choice that's trivial, was just wondering if there was one less hoop I could jump through |
| 15:02:50 | dhasenan | Is there some way for me to bring up a local copy of the Nim website? I have some doc changes that I'd like to test before submitting a pull request. |
| 15:02:54 | LoneTech | xxx: you could compile with --genScript then use the generated script to compile the C version on the target machine |
| 15:03:04 | def- | xxx: if you can figure out how to cross-compile C for linux, then it works the same, see this: http://nim-lang.org/nimc.html#cross-compilation |
| 15:03:13 | xxx | LoneTech: that's probably the pest solution, thanks! forgot that would be worth trying .. |
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| 19:12:30 | gokr | Anyone seen filwit? He promised me a paper cutout crown ;) |
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| 19:14:51 | BlaXpirit | gokr, it's basically gear-shaped :| |
| 19:15:10 | gokr | Well, he was working on it for me |
| 19:15:34 | EXetoC | why not metal? |
| 19:15:46 | gokr | Hehe |
| 19:15:51 | BlaXpirit | wa |
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| 19:38:32 | BlaXpirit | gokr, lol http://i.imgur.com/nwrIhtF.png |
| 19:39:02 | BlaXpirit | it's probably wrong |
| 19:39:23 | gokr | Hehe, well, I think filwit was talking about a two piece thing, in color etc |
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| 19:39:31 | gokr | Aha! When you speak of the devil |
| 19:39:31 | BlaXpirit | oh yeah, and it's thinner on the left |
| 19:39:35 | BlaXpirit | consider this a joke |
| 19:39:38 | BlaXpirit | :| |
| 19:39:41 | gokr | :) |
| 19:40:07 | gokr | filwit: I am soon in need of a crown ;) |
| 19:40:25 | filwit | gokr: oh right! |
| 19:40:32 | filwit | gokr: thanks for reminding me |
| 19:41:04 | gokr | No problem |
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| 20:38:22 | fowl | findExe should list .cmd files on windows, yes? |
| 20:38:52 | fowl | trying to use it for ~/.nimble/bin is worthless |
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| 20:52:25 | flaviu | why would there be a findExe in the stdlib? |
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| 20:58:51 | fowl | i assume os and related modules exist so we can claim some kind of portability |
| 21:03:20 | BlaXpirit_ | i don't like tables api |
| 21:03:25 | flaviu | well, instead of putting a findExe in the stdlib, I'd add directory map+filter. |
| 21:03:31 | BlaXpirit_ | look at this https://gist.github.com/rbehrends/98ebf2cd893d203fb38e |
| 21:03:46 | BlaXpirit_ | it contains 3 table lookups when only 1 is really needed |
| 21:04:32 | BlaXpirit_ | well sometimes adding new item is also needed, so that would be 2 |
| 21:04:36 | fowl | is that how you would solve it |
| 21:05:15 | fowl | map all files on $PATH to a list then filter it |
| 21:06:23 | flaviu | Doesn't findExe work the same way? |
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| 21:09:03 | fowl | no, mapping means creating a list and filtering is reducing the list |
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| 21:36:29 | bretthart | i'm looking for some examples using spawn and parallel, where are they? |
| 21:39:29 | def- | bretthart: I've only seen http://nim-lang.org/manual.html#parallel-spawn and https://github.com/Araq/Nim/tree/devel/tests/parallel |
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| 21:42:53 | bretthart | def-, any idea why so few examples? |
| 21:43:27 | def- | people don't write much parallel code in Nim yet or don't put it online |
| 21:44:02 | bretthart | these examples are in the devel branch, any idea if they work in master? |
| 21:44:28 | def- | Not sure, recently a few bugs in parallel were fixed |
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