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00:06:16FromGitter<arnetheduck> these are problematic, they lead to dangling pointers unless you're careful -> somewhat defeat the purpose of a safe(r) language
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00:18:34shashlickNot able to compile for Android since -landroid-glob is missing
00:35:32FromGitter<jrfondren> how about this? https://gist.github.com/jrfondren/4f0a1598464f42205c8049823bc15421
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01:32:19FromGitter<Varriount> ryukoposting: Are you around? How goes things?
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02:09:22rayman22201@shashlick: you need to add custom glob.c
02:09:23rayman22201see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2891
02:21:46shashlickoh cool thanks, will check it out
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02:29:37shashlick@rayman22201: I don't see anything about a custom glob.c in that thread
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02:51:45jasper__shashlick: termux Nim uses this https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/tree/master/packages/libandroid-glob
02:52:41shashlickya but i need to figure out how to cross compile that in dockcross
02:57:00shashlicki got libandroid-glob compiled but now it asks for __ctype_get_mb_cur_max
03:08:06shashlickokay I got nim compiled but it gives a weird error - /system/bin/linker: No such file or directory
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03:53:38disruptekwhat a mess.
03:56:47shashlickokay that was cause it expects to run on a real android device
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04:11:28shashlickmeh, got it to compile in 64-bit, now I get: library "libc++_shared.so" not found
04:21:12shashlickwhew - finally got the csources nim binary working in android! now to get it to build koch in dockcross
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06:33:23FromGitter<jrfondren> cool, templates can be scoped.
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06:59:52FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Can someone on Nim stable eval the snippet in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/11089?
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07:00:58FromGitter<kaushalmodi> It's a small snippet printing 2 floats via strformat; just need to confirm if that issue is actually a regression from stable -> devel
07:01:10FromGitter<jrfondren> I get 1.0 on stable
07:01:48FromGitter<jrfondren> and 1 with the devel build I have, same as you
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07:03:18FromGitter<kaushalmodi> @jrfondren Thanks for confirming!
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07:05:00FromGitter<mratsim> it's probably related to the strformat refactoring to allow it in templates
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07:14:02Araqso weird, I see no commit that changes anything like that
07:16:19Araqalso ... I remember ensuring that formatFloat produces .0 but apparently it never did (?)
07:19:26Araqgit bisect ftw, can anybody tell me the offending commit?
07:25:41FromGitter<kaushalmodi> Araq: Unless someone figures out the commit, I'll do the git bisect at work today; 3:25am here right now :)
07:27:08narimirani can do it in an hour or so
07:27:36Araqok ty
07:35:11FromGitter<jrfondren> it's Strformat symbol binding (#10927) , commit 3a5a0f6d46fa0b43ec223d60b2e0f600305eb5f8
07:37:08FromGitter<jrfondren> reverting only the changes to `formatValue*(result: var string; value: SomeFloat; specifier: string): void`results in a buggy nim that crashes after printing 1.0 like before
07:38:47FromGitter<jrfondren> well, it's just a ValueError: invalid type in format string for string, expected 's', but got f
07:43:09AraqI don't understand how it could ever produce 1.0 given that 'formatBiggestFloat' doesn't do that
07:44:01Araqand there appears to be no logic to add .0
07:45:03FromGitter<mratsim> @Araq, is the extern symbol needed in parseutils? see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/11067
07:46:12FromGitter<jrfondren> when i revert just the change to that proc, it's no longer called at all.
07:46:49FromGitter<jrfondren> the old proc `proc format*(value: SomeFloat; specifier: string; res: var string) =` is not called. so something else is formatting floats. this could be a total fluke.
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07:52:56FromGitter<jrfondren> oh. it's the generic one of course.
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07:55:38FromGitter<jrfondren> sorry, that was a fluke :(
07:56:13FromGitter<mratsim> normally we should have an ambiguous call alert when 2 generics match
07:56:39FromGitter<jrfondren> nah I broke the SomeFloat version so it matched [T] and used $ to format the float
07:58:14Araqaha, maybe it used $ before
07:58:46Araq$ does produce 1.0 so something like that is going on
08:04:55Araq=sink to =move
08:05:58Araqproc `=move`(a, b: var T)
08:06:18Araqoops wrong channel :P
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08:17:19FromGitter<jrfondren> aye, on stable that proc isn't called for `fmt"{foo}`. it's called for `fmt"{foo:>0.1f}`
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08:25:30FromGitter<jrfondren> I believe it's `proc add(result: var string; x: float)`that used to format floats in the first case
08:25:47FromGitter<jrfondren> in the `elif compiles(add(res, arg)):` branch of callFormat
08:26:03Araqyup, thanks
08:26:16Araqeasy to fix now that I understand it
08:26:31FromGitter<jrfondren> cool
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09:59:57FromGitter<jrfondren> brushing off five years of bitrot wasn't too painful: https://github.com/dom96/ipsumgenera/pull/35
10:00:18FromGitter<jrfondren> with some help from `git log -p|grep -C10 TimeInfoToTime|less`
10:07:33Araqit wasn't rocket science but you deserved a rocket
10:09:23FromGitter<jrfondren> ah, the emoji. Thanks :)
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10:54:55federico3https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19718015 Post mentioning Nim on HN
10:59:25PMunchStill people complaining about style insensitivity..
11:02:49narimiranmy guess is that 80% of those complaints are because people think nim is first-letter case insensitive
11:03:32federico3the first-letter is case sensitive
11:03:55narimiranyes, i know, and people on #nim probably know that too, but general population doesn't
11:06:42federico3yet the example in the post is with lower case
11:08:37Zevvhttps://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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11:20:59narimiranZevv: yep, i've just written my response there.... :D
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12:15:49FromGitter<kaushalmodi> @jrfondren Thanks for your help with fixing of #11089 !
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12:41:03dom96I have a feeling the general public will think it even crazier that the first letter is case sensitive whereas the rest isn't
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12:43:33shashlickHey @dom96 did you need anything else to post the choosenim binaries I made?
12:44:17dom96Will try to post them tonight. Caught the flu this Sunday and still suffering.
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12:45:57Araqleorize!
12:46:06Araqhow did you find 'x = x' ?
12:46:43leorizewhat?
12:46:48leorizeyou mean that string bug?
12:49:00FromGitter<arnetheduck> dumdidum.. https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9844 ..
12:49:21leorizeAraq: I found it by accident and reported as #10689
12:51:15AraqI'm writing a forum post about this bug :P
12:51:50Araqeither we claim move/swap doesn't need to allow for self-assignments or we need to fix the full =sink design :-)
12:52:09Araqwhich would be super annoying and at least a full day of work
12:52:40Araqon the other hand, I already know how you guys will vote so I might as well skip the post and change the spec while I'm writing it
12:52:52Araqso '=sink' is gone, it's the old '=move'
12:54:34FromGitter<kaushalmodi> I happened to just scroll through the devel commits; you have a typo in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/437f4648102d8bf5c59d9860a43766e5ae1994e1 :P
12:54:39FromGitter<kaushalmodi> thanks for fixing 11092
12:54:48FromGitter<kaushalmodi> *typo in commit message
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12:56:36Araqok thanks
12:59:52leorize[m]Araq: do you think that you should read more bugs with the "Destructors" label first? :p
13:00:30Araqthe problem is not that I wasn't aware of self-assignments
13:01:01Araqthe problem is that didn't see the interactions with 'wasMoved'
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14:15:08FromGitter<gogolxdong> I know the nimble install nimx -dy issue, -d means --depsOnly
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14:17:16FromGitter<gogolxdong> I'm compiling http://ix.io/1GYy , GUI doesn't show up.
14:19:04FromGitter<gogolxdong> compling with nim cpp , nim c works.
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14:24:39ZevvThe forum seems to bump years old posts for some time, something wrong there?
14:25:17FromGitter<liquid600pgm> I think it bumps threads with recent activity
14:27:32ZevvWhat's the acivity in https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2725 then? It's all jan 2017
14:27:47narimiranZevv: it is the spammers you don't see ;)
14:28:43narimiranthey pick random posts where they post, but their accounts are moderated, so you don't see their spam, but the topic gets bumped to the top
14:29:11ZevvAh that makes sense
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15:07:55dom96yeah, that's a bit of a bug
15:08:13dom96The forum has a `modified_at` field for each thread, and that gets updated when a new post is written
15:08:51dom96Shouldn't be a hard fix, if anyone wants to tackle that, hacking on the forum is fun :)
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15:17:12FromGitter<mratsim> Breaking news: Nim devs offer bounties for hacking their forum
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15:57:09shashlicki'm not able to run the android aarch64 compiled nim csources binary using qemu because it looks for /system/bin/linker64
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15:57:44shashlickthe binary runs fine on an actual android phone but no equivalent ld-linux file available so not able to bootstrap to the next step
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15:58:26shashlickany idea where I can find a /lib/ld-linux-aarch64.so.1 file so i can symlink in the dockcross container?
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16:02:22FromGitter<alehander42> :(
16:02:24FromGitter<alehander42> ops
16:02:29FromGitter<alehander42> wrong chat sorry
16:06:17FromGitter<alehander42> whats happening these days here
16:07:20shashlickbeen depressingly quiet these days
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16:19:10FromGitter<mratsim> maybe becaue people are enjoying the sun :D
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16:28:39shashlickokay i'm making progress on android build, but have to make all binaries static so that it doesn't keep looking for /system/bin/linker64
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16:51:47Zevvshashlick: are you targetting native android or termux?
16:58:38dom96My temptation to write an article titled "In defense of Style Insensitivity" has never been higher
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17:00:16FromGitter<alehander42> *sorts comments by controvertial*
17:01:28dom96Style insensitive search in FB's internal code search would have saved me hours, true story
17:01:52FromGitter<alehander42> hm don't they have some kind of regex-based code search
17:02:35dom96of course, but I want a check box, writing a regex for each search term would be annoyin
17:03:00FromGitter<alehander42> agreed
17:05:02FromGitter<alehander42> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/11094/files
17:05:15FromGitter<alehander42> lowkey this might be one of my fav PR-s lately
17:05:20narimiran:)
17:05:29FromGitter<alehander42> so many initTable in my codebases
17:05:36FromGitter<alehander42> going away :D
17:06:02narimiranthen you are a perfect candidate to test these changes before they're merged ;)
17:06:11FromGitter<alehander42> juust going out
17:06:23FromGitter<alehander42> looking at PR-s at the perfect irresponsible moment
17:06:44narimirani tested it locally with some basic examples, but something more thorough would be very welcome!
17:07:07FromGitter<alehander42> i might try it later but no promises
17:07:08FromGitter<alehander42> ok
17:07:08dom96Nice. I assume this will only apply to `init` not `new`, right?
17:07:31narimiranthanks, ping me if/when you do
17:09:56narimirandom96: i haven't tested Ref variants :/
17:10:02FromGitter<alehander42> Btw finally back from Japan
17:10:28FromGitter<alehander42> One guy almost assured us he wants to translate a Nim(our projeft
17:10:37FromGitter<alehander42> Related article into Japanese
17:10:50FromGitter<alehander42> But the problem is that I have to write one first
17:11:04dom96narimiran: oh, so the intention is for `newTable` to no longer be needed either?
17:11:58dom96This will make things a little confusing :/
17:12:35dom96import somePkg; var x = newPkg() # hrm, do I need to do this if I don't need to do it for anything in the stdlib?
17:12:44dom96It's a massive inconsistency
17:12:54narimirandom96: nah, i think copy-pasted too much stuff :) thanks for catching that :)
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17:22:02narimiran@alehander42 (and everybody else interested): don't test it yet. it seems my latest changes refactored working code into a non-working one :D
17:23:22shashlickZevv: I wouldn't know the difference, pretty much day one for me on Android
17:23:36shashlickBut I'm using termux to test on the device
17:24:25shashlickNot sure how useful it is getting the nim compiler running on Android but I'm making images nonetheless
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17:27:07shashlickCompiling binaries that run on Android should be easy already with --os and --cpu
17:28:57FromGitter<liquid600pgm> what should be the signature for a custom `default()` proc?
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17:52:38FromGitter<jrfondren> it's not generic. can you even have a custom proc?
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18:01:13FromGitter<jrfondren> maybe with term rewriting templates?
18:04:47FromGitter<jrfondren> those have been removed from the manual though so I guess their use is (more) discouraged
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18:15:56FromGitter<jrfondren> yeah this works on devel:
18:16:03FromGitter<jrfondren> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5cbf56634b4cb471d945af66]
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18:53:05Araqon devel there is system.default(T)
19:01:32FromGitter<liquid600pgm> yeah, I noticed. that's what I want to overload
19:01:34FromGitter<liquid600pgm> but how?
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19:10:23FromGitter<Varriount> @Iqdev Try `proc default(t: var MyConcreteType)`!
19:10:35FromGitter<Varriount> Er, sorry, I meant
19:10:46FromGitter<Varriount> for that to be a question mark
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19:14:28FromGitter<jrfondren> @Varriount result: default(float) returns 0.0, the new proc is defined but not used
19:18:33FromGitter<Varriount> @jrfondren Darn
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19:20:28jasperYou can specialize typedescs like `proc default(T: typedesc[MyType]): T = ...`. Though that doesn't get called automatically for `var x: MyType` if that is what you were after.
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19:21:36FromGitter<liquid600pgm> I'm after defaults for object/tuple fields
19:23:23FromGitter<jrfondren> `proc default(T: typedesc[int]): int = 42` et al. works, followed by `echo default(int)`, but a `var x: int` is still initialized to 0. is that intended?
19:24:12Araqsure.
19:24:42Araqto override the default value of obj.field write field: int = 42 in the object declaration and implement this feature
19:24:48Araq;-)
19:25:00Araqbut even then default(int) will produce 0
19:29:00AraqTIL https://www.includeos.org/ looks interesting
19:29:14FromGitter<jrfondren> or `proc default(T: typedesc[ObjName]): ObjName = result.field = 42`
19:29:29FromGitter<jrfondren> but you still have to initialize with default(ObjName)
19:30:56Araqlook. what you want is reasonable but (a) it doesn't exist and (b) system.default has nothing to do with it
19:35:52FromGitter<jrfondren> [x] performant, [x] portable, [x] secure, [x] lean, [ ] easily administered
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19:38:23Mister_Magistercan i compile nim compiler for arm and then use nim on arm?
19:38:27FromGitter<jrfondren> if an app in a OS flakes out, you can attach a debugger, you can strace it, you can check logs while it's running, you can check the network, etc. Stuff like IncludeOS is like the joke about cops doing unnecessary stuff. "Having solved all software reliability problems, we're now optimizing the OS out of our application!" with Erlang-on-Xen, Erlang itself is already an OS
19:39:29FromGitter<jrfondren> there are arm builds now yeah. They use cross compilation but probably compiling from arm is even easier.
19:39:59Mister_Magisterso there is nothing wrong with compiling it on arm? it should work?
19:40:18Mister_Magistertrying it rn tbh
19:40:38FromGitter<jrfondren> if you're targeting android you'll run into some problems
19:40:47Mister_Magisterasking because opensuse's obs has nim built only for x32/x64
19:40:53Mister_Magisterno i'm not
19:41:45Mister_Magisteri'm targetting normal linux run on arm
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19:48:14Mister_Magistercompiling nim uses nim compiler. fascinating
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20:02:29shashlickI just built Nim for arm
20:03:43shashlickhttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/4i0lon90rwi0uat/AADZr8EUwExggMQ46PYCz0oIa?dl=0
20:04:38shashlickCompiling on arm will take a while, these will be added to nightly builds eventually
20:05:27Mister_Magisterlol it did work ootb
20:05:38Mister_Magistershashlick: me too
20:05:41Mister_Magisterbut on obs https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log/home:mister/nim/latest_armv7hl/armv8el
20:05:55Mister_Magistergotta talk with suse guys to add arm target
20:06:05federico3Mister_Magister: FYI Debian ships Nim for various ARMs since years
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20:06:54Mister_Magisterheh
20:08:40Mister_Magisteri just discovered nim and wanted to play with it
20:08:48Mister_Magisterlooks pretty sweet
20:09:34shashlick@federico3: any point in adding arm target to nightlies then
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20:10:59federico3shashlick: huh?
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20:11:21shashlickI was planning on adding various arm builds to nightlies
20:11:27shashlickIs there any point?
20:11:51federico3well, if people want to use the devel version - or to detect regressions on ARM...
20:12:13Araqtesting on ARM!!!!
20:12:27shashlickI built 0.19.4 as well, perhaps they can be made official
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20:13:08shashlickYa that will be included - testing using qemu on Travis
20:13:21shashlickConcern is whether testing will complete in time
20:15:57Araqonly test a selection of tests
20:16:01Araqlike the GC tests
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20:20:02Mister_MagisterAraq: i think my built tested everything
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20:43:49shashlickHow long did it take
20:44:02shashlickAnd what hardware?
20:48:22Mister_Magistershashlick: on obs so dunno what hardware
20:48:26Mister_Magistercompile time is in log i linked
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21:37:00disrupteki guess what i didn't understand about this exception effects system is that your .raises. is basically a flattened hierarchy walk, and the compiler interprets it as such.
21:38:00disruptekso you have to be prepared, when defining functions, to specify a complete exception type hierarchy, and have it remain unchanged.
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21:56:18disruptekso there's an opportunity for nim here to statically check for dominating else clauses when we have a .raises. actually, i guess i'm surprised it doesn't already happen. we can't determine that from the types? because of the backend?
21:56:36disruptek^dominating except blocks, i mean.
21:58:02disruptekanyway, then you can also test that the .raises. is accurate to the types so that you catch a logic bug in your capture of exceptions when something changes.
21:58:30disruptekls
21:58:43disruptekis that what we're already doing?
22:00:17disruptekno, i guess not. this would fix these error messages, too, i think.
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22:48:14grey___hey everone
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23:07:37shashlickSup
23:22:50FromDiscord_<demotomohiro> I did ``time sh build_all.sh`` (in latest devel branch) on ARMv8 CPU on Tegra X1 Chip.
23:22:50FromDiscord_<demotomohiro> real 27m11.290s
23:22:51FromDiscord_<demotomohiro> user 18m16.230s
23:22:51FromDiscord_<demotomohiro> sys 0m55.170s
23:28:15FromDiscord_<demotomohiro> It might be IO bottlenecked because it uses SDCard as storage.
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23:55:21FromGitter<gogolxdong> Was do notation removed from manual?