| 00:02:13 | reactormonk | Araq, got an idea about how to move main() in the C code? |
| 00:02:28 | reactormonk | avr apparently cares |
| 00:02:51 | reactormonk | Uint2048, global var? eh. |
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| 00:03:06 | reactormonk | Uint2048, and yup, guess why. It's not a var. |
| 00:03:11 | Araq | you mean it has to be the first function? |
| 00:03:18 | reactormonk | yup |
| 00:03:27 | Araq | in what sense? |
| 00:03:37 | reactormonk | yee log |
| 00:03:50 | Araq | the first function of the .c file. the first function in the universe? |
| 00:04:07 | reactormonk | if main() is moved to top of blink.c nimcache file, it can upload and run successfully |
| 00:04:15 | reactormonk | Uint2048, to solve it, return a var <type> |
| 00:04:42 | Araq | that's some bizarre C dialect |
| 00:06:12 | reactormonk | yes, it is |
| 00:07:13 | Araq | there is no support in the C codegen for "move this thing at the top of the C file" |
| 00:07:50 | reactormonk | any way to hack it? |
| 00:08:15 | Araq | sure but requires yet another pragma |
| 00:10:20 | Araq | just use "sed" to modify the C code. oh wait ... regexes cannot count braces so I suppose it's tricky |
| 00:10:44 | reactormonk | fuck |
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| 00:44:03 | reactormonk | err, wut. nim c still not producing output binary |
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| 00:46:42 | Demos | I tracked down that twitter bug, I think she was using {.header: "<glfw3.dll>".} |
| 00:46:46 | Demos | erm .h |
| 00:47:11 | Demos | because if I import initGlfw via dynlib it mangles the name of the function |
| 00:47:47 | Demos | changing the generated name of the init function would help, but there's no way we can be collision-free in all cases with header files |
| 00:48:00 | Demos | esp since it's good to try not to mangle too much for debugging reasons |
| 00:48:25 | fowl | People report issues via twitter now? |
| 00:48:49 | Xe | people do everything via twitter |
| 00:48:52 | Xe | including tweeting |
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| 00:50:23 | Demos | someone I follow happened to be complaning about nim on her feed |
| 00:52:34 | federico3 | how can I do a blocking readLine() over a device file? |
| 00:52:58 | reactormonk | federico3, err, you just do it? |
| 00:53:42 | federico3 | reactormonk: readLine is frequently returning an empty string |
| 00:54:41 | reactormonk | federico3, maybe a select is what you're looking for? |
| 00:57:00 | federico3 | reactormonk: hm, this one? http://nim-lang.org/docs/osproc.html#select,seq[Process],int |
| 00:57:15 | federico3 | I don't think so |
| 00:57:34 | reactormonk | federico3, that's for child processes, I was thinking of posix select |
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| 00:58:16 | federico3 | (shouldn't readLine block until \n is found?) |
| 00:59:05 | reactormonk | check the source |
| 00:59:18 | reactormonk | Araq, any way I can add -I stuff via pragma? |
| 01:00:11 | federico3 | oh, there's a serial interface in http://nimio.us/ |
| 01:00:35 | Araq | reactormonk: yes, .passL or .passC |
| 01:00:44 | reactormonk | ah, sweet |
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| 01:08:22 | reactormonk | wu-lee, sooo you want your own main or is setup/loop fine? |
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| 01:10:45 | reactormonk | Araq, err, any way to add some C files to be compiled? |
| 01:11:01 | Xe | .compile prefix? |
| 01:11:24 | Xe | pragma* |
| 01:11:33 | Araq | {.compile: "foobar.c".} |
| 01:12:46 | reactormonk | Araq, not in here: http://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html |
| 01:13:14 | Araq | http://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html#additional-features-compile-pragma |
| 01:13:19 | Araq | as I said |
| 01:13:33 | Araq | implementation specific pragmas are in nimc, not in the manual |
| 01:13:48 | Araq | but I guess at this point nobody cares about this distinction |
| 01:14:35 | Araq | also who did that CSS for the docs again? it's still superb |
| 01:15:18 | Varriount | Araq: The thing is, people expect the compiler user guide to tell how the compiler is supposed to be invoked, not explain new pragmas. |
| 01:15:48 | Varriount | Even a link in the pragmas section of the manual would clear things up. |
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| 01:20:52 | Araq | Varriount: theindex works in any case |
| 01:21:10 | Araq | but yeah we can move these over to the manual anyway |
| 01:21:18 | reactormonk | Araq, uhm, I invoke nim, no errors, but not output file is produced |
| 01:21:41 | Araq | --genscript implies --compileOnly? dunno |
| 01:22:13 | reactormonk | Araq, http://pastie.org/10254039 |
| 01:22:48 | Araq | try -f |
| 01:23:09 | Araq | but I dunno, seems like gcc produces the output somewhere else? |
| 01:23:39 | reactormonk | nope, no help |
| 01:24:34 | reactormonk | I have no idea where. |
| 01:25:27 | Araq | --listCmd -f |
| 01:25:58 | reactormonk | ... nothing |
| 01:26:13 | reactormonk | ah there, found it. |
| 01:26:18 | reactormonk | check the command line again ^^ |
| 01:26:48 | Araq | 'c' in the wrong position? |
| 01:27:10 | reactormonk | nope, forgot a passC in front of the mmcu |
| 01:27:17 | Araq | true |
| 01:27:26 | Araq | er |
| 01:27:34 | reactormonk | but why doesn't the compiler compilain? |
| 01:27:34 | Araq | shouldn't Nim complain about this command line? |
| 01:28:58 | reactormonk | yes, it should |
| 01:33:08 | reactormonk | Araq, importc on vars -> no decl, exportc -> decl? |
| 01:33:28 | Araq | not really |
| 01:33:48 | Araq | but good enough |
| 01:33:49 | Araq | good night |
| 01:33:54 | reactormonk | ^^ ok |
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| 01:41:16 | reactormonk | wu-lee, got to another problem |
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| 02:09:07 | reactormonk | wu-lee, code size too big. |
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| 02:31:33 | reactormonk | wu-lee, https://gist.github.com/5400966dfcca17660fdb nim -d:release --cpu:avr --os:standalone --deadCodeElim:on --gc:none --parallelBuild:1 --passC:-mmcu=atmega328p c blink.nim |
| 02:31:39 | reactormonk | change as needed for your board |
| 02:32:40 | dtscode | who is this wu-lee person? |
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| 02:36:22 | reactormonk | dtscode, see chatlog |
| 02:36:41 | dtscode | ah |
| 02:36:50 | dtscode | I thought I was missing half the convo |
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| 02:38:34 | reactormonk | wu-lee, apparently it's horribly inefficient because .text overflow here |
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| 03:00:19 | Demos | what do we think about using __nim__moduleInit instead of moduleInit or moduleInit0000 |
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| 05:14:16 | vikaton | ooo |
| 05:14:18 | vikaton | arduino |
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| 06:42:37 | vikaton | what gcc version does Nim use |
| 06:43:42 | reactormonk | vikaton, system one |
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| 10:23:11 | r-ku | how do i define struct so it does not have "TNimObject Sup;"? need to parse binary file here |
| 10:23:25 | Araq | don't use inheritance |
| 10:23:49 | r-ku | that will need ugly workaround. oh well. thanks |
| 10:24:25 | Araq | you can also use .inheritable, pure iirc |
| 10:25:10 | Araq | it's surprising how often that is required for wrappers, or maybe not |
| 10:25:30 | r-ku | that looks like what i need. thank you |
| 10:26:32 | r-ku | one more question Araq. {.packed.} does not take an argument. is there really no way to specify custom alignment? |
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| 10:27:24 | Araq | nah, but you can .importc, header the whole struct and then it's compatible since the compiler doesn't generate its own version of the struct |
| 10:27:37 | Araq | this way even bit fields work |
| 10:28:31 | r-ku | yeah i thought of that, but was hoping to write everything in nim too. anyway not that i need it. but there are some applications that could surely use this option. |
| 10:28:46 | Araq | that said, the C code really shouldn't use customized alignment. C's advantage is supposedly an "ABI" compatibility |
| 10:32:15 | Araq | r-ku: yeah even more control would be nice, but people also count the number of pragmas and yell "too complex". |
| 10:32:45 | Araq | apparently they never count C's pragmas or C#'s annotations |
| 10:33:52 | r-ku | well... in this specific case there already is pragma for packing. so if it could take param and put it into generated c code it would be like minimal added complexity. |
| 10:34:50 | Araq | yeah I agree |
| 10:34:50 | r-ku | while i too think there are lots of pragmas its also a nice unified syntax to customize behavior. i rather have 50 pragmas instead of 50 different rarely used syntaxes to learn |
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| 15:07:46 | wuehlmaus | hi, all. One question that arrises here is if nre is broken in 0.11.2 but only works in the dev version right now. True? |
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| 15:15:43 | drewsrem | Can I "resolve" a symbol in a macro? - As in: can I have a macro that takes a string argument and reads its content? |
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| 16:09:15 | AxBen | Where's windows.nim? |
| 16:10:57 | coffeepot | AxBen: on my Nim it's under C:\Nim\lib\windows |
| 16:11:36 | AxBen | I cloned from GitHub (fresh install) and it's no longer there.... |
| 16:11:44 | coffeepot | oh, no idea then :/ |
| 16:12:12 | EastByte | https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/tree/devel/lib/windows |
| 16:12:19 | EastByte | looks pretty empty there |
| 16:13:14 | AxBen | I cloned from git clone https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim.git |
| 16:13:33 | AxBen | A lot of stuff there, but no windows.nim |
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| 16:17:30 | drewsrem | Is it possible to escape the ending triple-quotes in a triple-quoted-string-literal? |
| 16:18:27 | Arrrr | lol |
| 16:18:45 | Arrrr | Maybe with \ ? |
| 16:19:33 | Arrrr | "$parentDir/nim.cfg where $parentDir stands for any parent directory of the project file's path" Do this actually work? |
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| 17:05:37 | Araq | AxBen: it got removed because it's archaic. it'll be a nimble package soon, "oldwinapi" |
| 17:06:43 | Araq | drewsrem: nope, you need to use string concatenation instead |
| 17:06:51 | drewsrem | Araq, thanks |
| 17:07:38 | Araq | as for your other question, there is bindSym but it takes a compile-compile-time value |
| 17:07:53 | Araq | and doesn't allow for 'getImpl' (which is planned though) |
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| 17:19:37 | drewsrem | thanks, will search for it |
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| 17:46:23 | AxBen | :@Araq: What would I do in the meantime? Not compile Nim no more? When is soon? Where would I get an archaiv version of Nim? |
| 17:46:49 | Araq | take it from the master branch? |
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| 17:47:11 | Araq | take from an official release? |
| 17:48:00 | Araq | we have the releases to develop against, it's bad to depend on "nim devel" |
| 17:48:28 | Araq | if that doesn't work for you, tell us and we can reconsider this approach or perhaps release more frequently |
| 17:49:52 | AxBen | That sure doesn't work for me, as some of my "libs" depend on the windows module. The current situation leaves me in the nowhere. |
| 17:50:37 | Araq | hrm can you elaborate? |
| 17:54:24 | AxBen | Do I really have to elaborate that? If you would mark all the functions a deprecated or so, wouldn't mind it. But cutting the whole module all at a sudden W/O A REPLACEMENT forces me to go back to the master branch with just a few releases per year, making it impossible to git pull new stuff. |
| 17:55:09 | AxBen | Why not leave the stuff in? I sure doesn't break things... |
| 17:55:22 | Araq | well I can finish "oldwinapi" *now* |
| 17:55:41 | Araq | my question is if that's good enough or if that cannot work for some reason for you |
| 17:56:17 | Araq | and i need to restore it for "nim devel" |
| 17:56:18 | AxBen | That would depend on the functionality of oldwinapi. Haven't seen any docs so far. |
| 17:56:38 | Araq | it's windows.nim with a cleaned up license text |
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| 17:57:12 | AxBen | I have no probs with that and would gladly change my sources, but I need sth that I can use... |
| 17:57:52 | Araq | ok, good. give me a few minutes |
| 17:58:00 | AxBen | GREAT |
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| 18:15:33 | AxBen | Got to leave. Looking forward to "oldwinapi" (grin). Thanks for your efforts! |
| 18:15:46 | AxBen | :quit |
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| 18:17:33 | drewsrem | Assuming I have an ref-object type, called foo, with a field called bar which is an int, is there a way to create a setter for bar that has access to foo? - i.e. foo.bar = 10 calls a "setter"-proc |
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| 18:19:46 | Arrrr | i think it is possible with proc `.bar=` |
| 18:26:45 | drewsrem | Arrrr, `bar=` worked, thanks |
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| 18:36:51 | Araq | well too bad. |
| 18:37:05 | Araq | oldwinapi is a nimble package now. |
| 18:37:14 | Araq | (I mean too bad he left) |
| 18:39:03 | Arrrr | Quick Q: how do i tell to my exe "the path for this dll is in x folder" ? |
| 18:40:00 | Araq | not too sure, you can edit %PATH% but usually just put it next to the .exe |
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| 18:43:36 | Arrrr | I wanted to load the dll from a different place, but saw i can change it from where the dynlib is declared |
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| 18:48:18 | Araq | Arrrr: yeah you can do that |
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| 19:42:04 | Arrrr | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3arcgs/the_unix_philosophy_and_elixir_as_an_alternative/csfl06s |
| 19:43:50 | pigmej | Arrrr: you know what's funny ? Elixir is NOT fast |
| 19:45:41 | Araq | what has this thing to do with unix? |
| 19:46:22 | pigmej | Araq: nothing ? Just like most of 'innovative' things on reddit |
| 19:46:37 | Araq | no I skimmed the real article |
| 19:46:44 | Araq | and found no reference to unix |
| 19:47:14 | Arrrr | Complain about it, the author is shitting on nim |
| 19:47:28 | fowl | Who cares |
| 19:48:06 | Araq | I don't think he shits on nim in particular. |
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| 19:48:33 | Araq | it's just a way of saying "look at me, I'm up to date" |
| 19:48:47 | Araq | except that he is not :P |
| 19:49:02 | Araq | cause he missed Crystal. XD |
| 19:49:48 | Arrrr | sigh (thinks about blaxpirit) |
| 19:50:20 | pigmej | Arrrr: the author compliments JVM... |
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| 19:51:19 | Arrrr | w-what's wrong about that |
| 19:51:48 | pigmej | Arrrr: nothing straight, but it's kindof opposite of nim, rust |
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| 19:53:46 | miglo | is there something like an abstract method in nim? |
| 19:54:24 | miglo | I would like to define an abstract type as it is known from Java/C++ |
| 19:54:45 | miglo | ...as abstract class |
| 19:54:58 | Arrrr | yes "method doSomething() = quit "Surprise"" |
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| 19:55:09 | pigmej | Arrrr: rotfl:D |
| 19:55:28 | pigmej | but anyway, I once hit something like this in some wonderfull library in python |
| 19:55:46 | pigmej | it had somewhere sys.exit('..') in some error catching things |
| 19:56:23 | miglo | Arrrr: but this isn't really an abstract method, isn't it? |
| 19:56:43 | Arrrr | No, the compiler wont yell at you if you dont implement it |
| 19:57:10 | Arrrr | But it's the closest thing you'll see |
| 19:57:44 | Arrrr | Maybe with pragmas and macros it is possible to get something like this |
| 20:02:57 | Araq | well you can raise an exception instead |
| 20:03:55 | fowl | cant you put {.error.} Inside the base function |
| 20:04:11 | fowl | For a compile time err |
| 20:04:27 | Araq | yeah but then it would always produce a compile-time error |
| 20:04:39 | fowl | Oh |
| 20:04:45 | Araq | the error pragma knows nothing about "I want people to override this" |
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| 20:29:26 | reactormonk | Isn't an abstract method something for a concept? |
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| 20:53:12 | Phaal | Hello! I looking for download/upload http library with speed limiting and resume capability. Something like curl. Is there something like that in pure nim, or should i better stick with curl? |
| 20:54:09 | Araq | we used to have libcurl in the stdlib ... but *cough* it got deleted and will be a nimble package real soon ... but hey, you can still get it from the master branch |
| 20:54:11 | reactormonk | Phaal, pretty sure there's no rate limiting in there. |
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| 20:54:35 | reactormonk | Araq, pfft. Just deleting random stuff whenever you feel like it. |
| 20:54:50 | Araq | reactormonk: it was part of some RFC |
| 20:55:09 | reactormonk | And no one felt like adding it? |
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| 20:55:31 | Araq | adding what? |
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| 20:55:52 | reactormonk | libcurl back into a git repo somwhere, e.g. nim-lang |
| 20:55:57 | Phaal | I have Nim 0.11.2 installed and curl header is still there... so ok, i will use curl. |
| 20:56:17 | Araq | reactormonk: I'm working on it ... |
| 20:56:29 | Phaal | Thx for info :) |
| 20:56:49 | reactormonk | Araq, I assume it follows the old TFoo conventions? |
| 20:57:25 | Araq | no idea, I think it has got an update in the meantime |
| 20:58:38 | Araq | hrm I wonder where ozra is ... last words from him were something like "I'll be drunk like there is no tomorrow" |
| 20:59:19 | Araq | should have taken him seriously :P |
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| 21:14:54 | miglo | has someone used / implemented the strategy pattern in nim or knows a good example that shows it in the sense of "that's how it's done in nim"? |
| 21:19:25 | miglo | I have implemented it for exercise but I'm still thinking in terms of interfaces, objects, abstract objects/methods, polymorphism |
| 21:20:30 | Araq | usually you just pass a closure proc to the constructor, store it in the object and then invoke it |
| 21:20:45 | Araq | if you even need the object |
| 21:21:06 | miglo | ok, so same as in python |
| 21:21:25 | Araq | similar to Python yeah |
| 21:21:45 | Araq | though Python has more support for the classical OO ways I guess |
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| 21:33:55 | JohnYy | During Nim installation on Windows, if you check the "Setup Path Environment" box and you don't have a Path environment variable, it's not created |
| 21:33:58 | JohnYy | so it's not added at all |
| 21:34:18 | JohnYy | is it a bug? |
| 21:34:56 | JohnYy | (I just tried to make my little sister install Nim heh) |
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| 21:39:46 | Phaal | Is there somewhere example of curl write callback (in Nim) ?... i dont know how to pass nim File type through pointer to this callback :( |
| 21:40:17 | fowl | JohnYy: never heard of not having PATH but I guess its possible |
| 21:41:24 | fowl | Phaal: Nims File is File* in c |
| 21:42:50 | Phaal | hmm... i rewriting this example to Nim: http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/ftpget.html |
| 21:43:31 | Phaal | i passed File to callback function, then i tried open it in callback, but i get error |
| 21:43:32 | reactormonk | Phaal, try c2nim :D |
| 21:43:59 | Phaal | ok , i ll try :) |
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| 21:45:50 | reactormonk | Phaal, although probably a bad idea. |
| 21:45:56 | reactormonk | it will procude shitty nim code imo |
| 21:48:59 | Phaal | hmm... i tried: var outstream = cast[File] (outstream) |
| 21:49:03 | Phaal | but sigsev |
| 21:50:25 | Phaal | this is my code: http://pastebin.com/ib6qpCiS |
| 21:53:18 | reactormonk | pretty sure there's a better idea than casting.... but I donno |
| 21:54:58 | Phaal | this is what c2nim suggested to me ..hehe |
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| 21:55:58 | Araq | JohnYy: environment vars are in the registry these days, not in autoexec.bat ... |
| 21:58:22 | Araq | install "rapid environment editor" and see for yourself. don't use windows absurdly complex ways to arrive at the bullshit UI for dealing with the environment vars |
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| 22:01:50 | JohnYy | I don't know what autoexec.bat is... |
| 22:01:58 | Araq | good. |
| 22:02:39 | JohnYy | all I know is, in Windows environment variable (in the config panel...), there's 2 lists of environment variable, one for the current user, and one for the system |
| 22:02:39 | miglo | I've a created a type: type Callback = proc () ... and additionally: proc newBox(f: Callback) ... that should act as a constructor ... now I'm passing proc action() = echo "action" ... to newBox(action) |
| 22:02:57 | JohnYy | Nim's installer add the folders paths to the Path variable of the user |
| 22:03:19 | JohnYy | but if he doesn't have one, it doesn't do anything so it has to be added manually |
| 22:03:20 | miglo | but the compiler complains always :-/ |
| 22:04:17 | Araq | JohnYy: possible but why is there no path variable? |
| 22:04:25 | miglo | now it works |
| 22:04:29 | JohnYy | I don't know why she doesn't have one |
| 22:04:42 | JohnYy | (and she doesn't either) |
| 22:04:48 | Araq | she should have. everybody has. |
| 22:07:15 | miglo | it's difficult to change the way how to think ... to think nim'ish |
| 22:09:58 | Araq | miglo: not sure about that. YAGNI goes a long way in Nim. ;-) |
| 22:10:04 | dom96 | Araq: Everybody has a *system* PATH |
| 22:10:12 | dom96 | not necessarily a *user* PATH |
| 22:10:32 | dom96 | The installer should probably add Nim to the *system* PATH. |
| 22:10:52 | JohnYy | or... add the path to the user path |
| 22:11:08 | JohnYy | Golang has its own GOPATH variable |
| 22:12:09 | Araq | dom96: *shrug* fix it. :P |
| 22:12:21 | dom96 | I'm not in charge of the installers |
| 22:12:29 | dom96 | Time to delegate. |
| 22:12:31 | Araq | now you are. |
| 22:12:48 | JohnYy | is it on Github? |
| 22:13:03 | Araq | of course |
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| 22:18:23 | fowl | miglo: what was the issue |
| 22:18:43 | fowl | Er how did you fix it |
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| 22:22:36 | miglo | I'm still learning nim and what I did was "var x: newBox(action)" instead "var x: Box " and then "x = newBox(action)" |
| 22:25:05 | fowl | Ah |
| 22:25:57 | miglo | my impression is that the classical oop strategy pattern needs a lot of boilerplate code |
| 22:26:31 | miglo | the functional style seems to be more ... mmm ... practical |
| 22:26:48 | fowl | Show me what you have maybe it can be reduced |
| 22:27:51 | miglo | I've followed the advice of Araq and passed the "strategy" just as an function to the constructor of an object |
| 22:28:24 | miglo | the code is much simpler then my first more oop oriented solution |
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| 22:29:29 | miglo | and I think that it even doesn't provide any disadvantages compared to the typical oop solution |
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| 22:30:48 | miglo | simple but nevertheless still easy to extend if more 'strategies' are needed |
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| 22:33:54 | miglo | I also stumbled about the programming language "pony" which seems to be also very interesting |
| 22:35:13 | miglo | but their tutorial is not complete, yet |
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| 22:36:24 | miglo | seems to be a very young language |
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| 23:36:45 | reactormonk | self-hosting? :-@s9 |
| 23:40:23 | Araq | reactormonk: last time I checked, I couldn't download it anywhere |
| 23:41:24 | Araq | however poly-lang is a great example of how to design a language. Designed by people who chose what makes sense in the *context of their language* rather than worrying about "oh this looks like in Python but behaves differently so it will be confusing" |
| 23:45:47 | wu-lee | reactormonk: another progress report |
| 23:46:06 | wu-lee | good news this time, I think I just found the problem |
| 23:47:26 | wu-lee | absense of crt.o, hence entry point at start of .text only works if main() routine happens to be on the execution path from there |
| 23:49:36 | wu-lee | in that, compiling nim -> c, and then c -> bin -> hex -> upload now works for me |
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| 23:50:47 | wu-lee | my makefile had a two step .c -> .o, .o ->.bin compilation, which doesn't implicitly add a crt.o object |
| 23:51:14 | wu-lee | as happens when a one step .c -> .bin is used (compile and link) |
| 23:55:17 | wu-lee | seems that the nim compiler does the same, omits the crt.o |
| 23:56:27 | wu-lee | in this case, anyway. |
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