<< 23-07-2020 >>

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00:14:38	FromDiscord	<Varriount> @disruptek: Did you relocate to Antarctica?
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00:18:28	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nah he's a moleman now
00:18:59	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> He's currently bumming internet off the someones basement, but will run a cable to their router tomorrow
00:21:06	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Yardanico: If you stream, I will join (at least to chat)
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00:29:57	Yardanico	@Varriount ok sure :D
00:30:21	Yardanico	although right now I'll be mostly finished work with ircord
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00:40:34	Prestige	refs can be nil, yeah?
00:40:51	Yardanico	yes
00:42:36	Yardanico	@Varriount I'm live :P
00:42:38	Yardanico	~ystream
00:42:38	disbot	ystream: 11Stream at https://twitch.tv/yardanico, voice chat either on Mumble (mumble://uberalles.mumbl.io/) or in Discord (https://discord.com/invite/ezDFDw2) -- Yardanico
00:43:52	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Yardanico: I'm on Mumble
00:43:54	Yardanico	oh nice
00:43:57	Yardanico	lemme join
00:43:58	Prestige	Hm so why can I pass in a nil ref but can't explicitly pass in nil?wa
00:44:18	Yardanico	ref itself uses memory too
00:44:27	Yardanico	hmm
00:44:35	Yardanico	but you should be able to pass it, what's the proc?
00:44:40	Prestige	https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bFu
00:45:07	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> nil isnt a var
00:45:30	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bFD
00:45:31	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> There
00:45:46	FromDiscord	<juan_carlos> Does anyone know if imageman compiles if you do not have the libjpeg-turbo?, I want it to NOT compile if lib is not installed.
00:45:53	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> the requirement of using `var Foo` is that the passed in needs to be a predeclared `var`
00:46:01	Prestige	So I have to create a dummy variable? hmm
00:46:14	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Well yea you use var
00:47:51	Prestige	Wish I could just pass in nil, maybe I'll make a template for this
00:50:08	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> It's a reference you dont need var
00:50:16	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bvI
00:50:37	Prestige	Did you send the right paste?
00:50:49	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> yea
00:50:52	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> The most recent one
00:50:58	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Run it
00:51:17	Prestige	it just isn't what I want
00:51:27	Prestige	Ended up doing this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bPT
00:51:40	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> It literally is↵https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bPV
00:51:53	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> non of that template bafoonery
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00:52:31	Prestige	Your paste you are creating a new var, that's what I'm avoiding
00:52:39	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Look at the most recent one
00:52:42	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i send a nil directly in
00:52:57	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Not using var means you dont need to make a new var
00:53:05	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> references are mutable when passed to procs
00:53:24	Prestige	Yeah it's just an example, I need a var param for my actual use case
00:53:37	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Not if it's a reference
00:54:20	Prestige	I'm reassigning the reference
00:54:29	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> huh?
00:54:59	FromDiscord	<Rika> he's replacing the pointer
00:55:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> so it has to be a var
00:55:06	Prestige	^
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00:59:06	Prestige	Hi Yardanico
00:59:11	Yardanico	:P
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01:29:18	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/735669834993500271/unknown.png
01:29:28	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> irc formatting to markdown and markdown to IRC 😛
01:42:44	FromDiscord	<Rika> :thonk:
01:43:21	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> https://github.com/Yardanico/ircord/blob/master/src/utils.nim#L24 and https://github.com/Yardanico/ircord/blob/master/src/utils.nim#L150
01:43:33	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> not gonna roll it out today (maybe later in the evening), since need to do some stuff later and this might break
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02:21:32	Prestige	Very nice
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03:45:36	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Zevv, Yardanico: I'm still confused about CPS. It looks pretty much like what the compiler does to generate iterators
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03:47:52	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Except that it doesn't split up a procedure into a bunch of smaller procedures, it just uses a hidden parameter to indicate what sub-section should be executed.
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04:30:17	icyphox	how would i write the Nim equivalent of Python's `if x in ["foo", "bar"]: ...`
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04:32:54	FromDiscord	<Rika> icyphox: exactly the same
04:33:44	icyphox	yeah... then the error is something else then
04:34:12	icyphox	and i negate by writing `if x not in...`?
04:35:29	FromDiscord	<Varriount> notin
04:35:46	FromDiscord	<Varriount> icyphox: one token
04:35:58	icyphox	oh
04:36:00	icyphox	TIL
04:36:17	icyphox	thanks!
04:37:41	FromDiscord	<Rika> icyphox: if you dont like how `notin` looks, you can use`not_in`
04:37:55	FromDiscord	<Rika> since style insensitivity still applies to it
04:38:25	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Or notIn, NOTin, and NoTiN
04:38:32	Yardanico	no
04:38:36	Yardanico	not the second or third one
04:38:42	Yardanico	@Varriount you forget a lot about nim :P
04:38:47	Yardanico	forgot*
04:38:55	Yardanico	we don't have first letter case insensitivity since long time
04:39:03	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Oh yeah, first letter is case sensitivity
04:39:19	icyphox	lol
04:39:24	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Well then, notIN and nOtIn
04:39:27	icyphox	rika: thanks, but i hate underscores lol
04:39:38	Yardanico	but no one writes like that anyway @varriount
04:39:39	Yardanico	:P
04:39:49	icyphox	i mean, they're fine in python but ew in nim
04:39:51	icyphox	xd
04:40:12	FromDiscord	<Varriount> I like underscores for the plain fact that there's no confusion over abbreviations.
04:40:35	FromDiscord	<Rika> icyphox: only suggested it anyway, """idiomatic""" would be `notin` anyway
04:40:48	icyphox	gotcha :)
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05:00:01	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Araq: Would it ever be possible to isolate an entire closure?
05:03:13	Zevv	varriount: CPS is basically two things: split your functions into self contained parts that have no knowledge of each other, and to eliminate the stack
05:03:52	Zevv	what was once on the stack, is now stored into a little blob for each of these parts
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05:04:07	Zevv	the little blob is a pointer to the part, and its "stack" data
05:04:34	Zevv	so you can store this little blob somewhere, send it to someone else or store it in your freezer for a week
05:04:45	Yardanico	xd
05:04:53	Zevv	when you want to "continue" your program, you just call the pointer in your little blob and pass it the data
05:05:01	Zevv	and *poof* you're back in business
05:05:31	Zevv	if you now originally had 2 functions, you can suddenly call their little blobs round robin
05:06:02	Zevv	that's coroutines. Or you have a little blob that says "call me whenever there is data on socket X"
05:06:05	Zevv	that's async
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05:06:55	Zevv	or you have a little blob that sais "call me whenever you want to something with the next element of this list"
05:06:58	Zevv	and thats an iterator
05:07:14	Zevv	so yes, its very related, but it goes deeper then iterators only
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05:08:03	Zevv	problem if that silly nimcsp project is that we're trying to do that in nim macros and not in the compiler. it might pull of a proof of concept, but i feel it will never fly
05:09:21	Yardanico	well to be fair AFAIK 4raq had to do a lot of stuff to make closure iterators work properly :P
05:09:26	Yardanico	the whole lambda lifting thing
05:10:45	Zevv	right. and some of that might be perfecly reusable, but I still cant see how we can use those parts from a nim macro
05:11:14	Zevv	but a macro could do similar things of course, up to a certain point
05:11:48	Zevv	anyway, i spent a few evenings on it and then I basically got stuck in the mud
05:11:58	Yardanico	disruptek continued and had some more success :P
05:12:11	Yardanico	Zevv: you did see https://github.com/disruptek/cps right?
05:13:10	Yardanico	and this https://github.com/disruptek/cps/blob/master/tests/tock.nim works
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05:30:13	FromGitter	<bung87> it's alternative solution to something in nim ?
05:31:20	Yardanico	to current async
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05:32:54	FromGitter	<bung87> ah , it look more light weight than async right?
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05:39:06	Zevv	dang he's such a prick. just finishing the work i don't want to.
05:39:13	Yardanico	exactly
05:39:35	Zevv	and he even knows how to spell cps
05:39:40	Yardanico	cspssda?
05:39:44	Yardanico	csps
05:39:46	Yardanico	scp
05:39:48	Yardanico	csp
05:39:58	Zevv	nope, hadn't seen that yet, let me see what's in there!
05:40:01	Yardanico	speshimen
05:40:03	Yardanico	final answer
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05:42:19	Zevv	bung: its a potential building block for async, iterators, coroutines, exceptions
05:42:26	Yardanico	exceptions?
05:42:30	Yardanico	do you not like goto exceptions? :P
05:42:39	Zevv	sure, anything that involves non-linear code flow
05:43:01	Yardanico	btw I slept like 6 hours and now im in this weird state
05:43:04	Zevv	with cps you can make exceptions in the langugae, without needing support from the language core, in theory
05:43:10	Yardanico	where I'm kinda awake and not sleepy but also want to go to sleep
05:43:17	Yardanico	argh
05:43:20	Zevv	whats your local time
05:43:25	Yardanico	08:43 am rn
05:43:31	Yardanico	I woke up on ~21:00 yesterday
05:43:59	Zevv	dude. at my age that kind of behaviour probably throws me in a coma
05:44:13	Yardanico	you're not even 90 are you
05:45:31	Yardanico	actually how old are you if you don't want to hide it? :P
05:46:09	Zevv	disruptek and me, we're statler and waldorf
05:46:30	Zevv	I'm 45, and he must be, like, 90 or so
05:46:34	Yardanico	waaaaaaaaaaaat
05:46:41	Yardanico	i honestly thought you're much younger
05:46:48	Yardanico	I feel too young now
05:46:49	Zevv	that what she said
05:47:02	Yardanico	🤔
05:47:08	FromGitter	<bung87> she ?
05:47:21	Yardanico	well, it can be a he if you fancy /s
05:48:13	FromGitter	<bung87> oh, I thought I misgender to disruptek
05:48:19	Yardanico	LOL
05:48:32	Yardanico	poor disruptek
05:49:40	Zevv	well, I do feel pretty sorry for him, but thats for other reasons. being stuck without a job in a country on the brink of collapse, pff
05:50:34	narimiran	Yardanico: " i honestly thought you're much younger" --> that's not how you treat an elderly person! shame on you!
05:51:26	Zevv	nah, we are used to these things. it only hurts the first, like, fifty times or so
05:51:27	Yardanico	wait am I not supposed to say something like "wow I thought you're younger!" to everyone who's more than 1.5x older than me? :P
05:52:42	FromGitter	<bung87> interesting, 1.5x sounds like performance thing.
05:52:43	narimiran	if 1.5x is the formula to go by, there are people here who would say that to 25 year olds!
05:52:47	Zevv	anyway, I have this little dictionary of internet slangs to bluff my way through
05:52:59	Zevv	and I go "hello, fellow kids"
05:53:18	Yardanico	XD
05:53:29	Zevv	I even learned "ikr" the other day. it was in my little dictionary
05:53:30	Yardanico	btw, about clyybber - I honestly thought he's older :P
05:53:51	narimiran	he's 17, 19 or something like that, right?
05:53:57	Yardanico	19
05:54:00	Yardanico	i'm 20
05:54:10	Zevv	I really stopped caring and thinking about all thay I guess. There's cool people, and not-so-cool peopl
05:54:13	Yardanico	lqdev is younger
05:54:20	Yardanico	I think he's like ~16
05:54:32	Yardanico	@Rika is ~17-19 afaik
05:54:34	Zevv	tons of 50 year olds who never got beyond 14, mentally
05:54:55	Yardanico	time to make a poll on the forum about age :DDD
05:55:25	Zevv	And I know ar4q is at least 15
05:55:29	FromGitter	<bung87> both of you younger to me
05:55:35	Yardanico	Zevv: actually it's not hard to know his real age
05:55:40	Yardanico	I know it +-2 years
05:55:49	narimiran	36 iirc
05:55:52	Yardanico	yeah
05:55:56	Yardanico	36-38 i think
05:55:58	Zevv	good for you :)
05:56:04	Yardanico	he even has a wikidata page!
05:56:10	Yardanico	https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q60678874
05:56:25	Yardanico	"instace of human"
05:56:26	narimiran	wait, 4raq is a human????
05:56:31	Yardanico	i was surprised too
05:56:39	Yardanico	also apparently a programmer
05:56:54	FromDiscord	<Rika> I am 18
05:56:54	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> His name isnt short for a real quasi alien?
05:56:55	Zevv	yeah, he's a mere morta. He's not like Fabrice Bellard or Mike Pall or so
05:57:03	Yardanico	D:
05:57:05	Zevv	these are both robots from outer space
05:57:10	narimiran	true
05:57:13	Yardanico	https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1047432253.9167/poster,840x830,f8f8f8-pad,1000x1000,f8f8f8.u1.jpg
05:57:20	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Wait rika im older than you 😦
05:57:26	FromDiscord	<Rika> I like to believe lq is not human too
05:57:29	Zevv	lets do a bubblesort
05:57:33	Yardanico	internet is a good thing, we can forget about age when chatting
05:57:34	FromDiscord	<Rika> Beef you didn't know
05:57:35	FromDiscord	<Rika> ?
05:57:39	Yardanico	Zevv: there's a stalin sort implementation in Nim
05:57:41	Yardanico	it's even in nimble
05:57:47	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nope i just assumed you were older than i 😄
05:57:47	Zevv	haha
05:57:50	Yardanico	https://github.com/Knaque/stalinsort
05:57:51	FromDiscord	<Rika> Why?
05:58:03	FromDiscord	<Rika> Do i sound mature or tired of this world or smth
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05:58:11	Yardanico	everyone sounds tired of the world nowadays
05:58:13	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Cause i forget that i've aged 😛
05:58:19	Yardanico	me too honestly
05:58:36	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> i think oh i'm.... shit 21
05:58:37	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> fuck
05:59:29	FromDiscord	<Rika> you're shit?
05:59:34	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Yea
05:59:48	Zevv	aren't we all
06:00:02	FromDiscord	<Rika> true...
06:00:08	narimiran	btw, you guys know my age? (even better, those who don't know - can you guess?)
06:00:16	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> 26.8
06:00:32	Yardanico	narimiran: I didn't know at first, now I roughly know
06:00:39	Zevv	do you grow facial hair yet?
06:00:46	Yardanico	it's annoying
06:00:49	Yardanico	i don't know what to do with it
06:00:53	Zevv	let it go
06:01:05	narimiran	more than 26.8 ;)
06:01:09	FromGitter	<bung87> I guess 30+?
06:01:18	Yardanico	@bung87 lemme guess your age..
06:01:20	narimiran	30+ is correct, but not precise
06:01:27	Yardanico	~33
06:01:28	disbot	no footnotes for `33`. 🙁
06:01:36	Zevv	on the grand scale of the cosmos, precise enough
06:01:49	narimiran	yeah, currently 33, in a week it will be 34
06:01:53	FromGitter	<bung87> Yardanico my born year is contained in my nick name...
06:02:02	Yardanico	yes
06:02:04	FromDiscord	<Rika> yall are old
06:02:20	Zevv	I'm so old, I just made my volvo go past 314159, and the trip odometer set to 265.4
06:02:29	narimiran	@Rika but our behaviour is infantile, so it is ok....
06:02:38	FromDiscord	<Rika> oof
06:03:00	Yardanico	Zevv: but why not 42069
06:03:01	narimiran	Zevv: volvo 240?
06:03:06	Yardanico	like all cool kids
06:04:24	Zevv	https://zevv.nl/div/400018900082_280045.jpg
06:04:32	Zevv	true story, that ^
06:06:57	Yardanico	waow
06:11:59	FromDiscord	<Avatarfighter> All the kids go 42069 smh
06:14:19	narimiran	you guys do realize that 314159 is higher than 42069, and Zevv should drive in reverse for 272k km to reach the number you want :P
06:14:30	Yardanico	btw, just re-tested binary size with 1-line hello world
06:14:32	Yardanico	5616 bytes
06:14:43	Yardanico	that's nim c --cc:clang --os:any -d:posix --gc:arc --panics:on -d:danger --opt:size -d:useMalloc -d:noSignalHandler --clang.exe="zigcc" --clang.linkerexe="zigcc" --passC:"-flto -target x86_64-linux-musl" --passL:"-flto -target x86_64-linux-musl" hello.nim
06:14:51	Yardanico	and then strip -s hello and strip -R .comment -R .note -R .note.ABI-tag hello
06:14:53	narimiran	i know some of these words
06:14:55	Yardanico	XD
06:15:19	Yardanico	and it's 100% static
06:15:20	Zevv	Yardanico: show me the C
06:15:23	Yardanico	Zevv: sure
06:15:30	Yardanico	also it allocates 0 bytes
06:15:37	Zevv	yeah that's useless.
06:15:44	Yardanico	since arc now can place static strings as static
06:15:46	Yardanico	no heap allocation at all
06:16:03	Zevv	oh wow does arc do that these days
06:16:07	Yardanico	yes
06:16:08	Zevv	that's pretty sweet
06:16:11	Zevv	also const arrays?
06:16:13	Yardanico	idk
06:16:30	Zevv	I'll give https://github.com/zevv/nim-arduino a spin one of these days
06:16:33	Yardanico	Zevv: main file https://gist.github.com/Yardanico/6d2ad51fd861a11205468a7c362ab459
06:16:39	Yardanico	actually
06:16:41	Yardanico	lemme add other to gist
06:16:54	Zevv	can we *please* get disrupteks name mangling into nim
06:16:57	Zevv	pretty pretty please
06:17:07	Yardanico	updated in https://gist.github.com/Yardanico/6d2ad51fd861a11205468a7c362ab459
06:17:09	Yardanico	all 3 C files
06:17:16	Yardanico	"static const struct"
06:17:56	Zevv	I think I got reportUnhandledError out somehow once as well
06:17:58	Zevv	but can't remember
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06:18:49	Yardanico	nim is getting good enough for making router botnets
06:19:13	Yardanico	Zevv: does it matter in the end? hmm lemme check
06:19:29	Yardanico	"nm: hello: no symbols" ah right
06:19:35	Yardanico	time to launch ghidra
06:19:37	Yardanico	to disassemble
06:22:24	Zevv	oh right: I was sure I got much lower then you, but I just measured text+data, and you're measruing the whole elf, right
06:22:29	Yardanico	yes
06:22:35	Zevv	nice
06:22:38	Yardanico	bloaty?
06:22:41	Yardanico	for measuring text + data
06:22:42	Zevv	what does 'size' do for you
06:22:51	Zevv	`size hello`
06:22:52	Yardanico	text 4026
06:22:53	Yardanico	data 340
06:22:55	Yardanico	bss 1664
06:23:34	Zevv	sweet. Shared gcc is 2424 text, 584 data
06:23:40	Zevv	no musl and other tricks
06:23:45	Yardanico	lemme try shared
06:24:06	Zevv	2320
06:24:10	Yardanico	4064 :c
06:24:12	Yardanico	what did you do
06:24:18	FromDiscord	<Rika> magic
06:24:18	Zevv	nim c --os:any -d:posix --gc:arc --panics:on -d:danger --opt:size -d:useMalloc -d:noSignalHandler hello.nim && size hello
06:24:23	Yardanico	ah lemme try with gcc
06:24:40	Zevv	for the tiny stuff like atmels, text+data is all that matters
06:24:47	Zevv	elf is for grown ups
06:25:34	Yardanico	Zevv: text 2575 data 624
06:25:51	Yardanico	but why total size is 14432
06:26:01	Yardanico	bss 136
06:28:16	Zevv	elf stuff
06:28:25	Yardanico	i am confuse
06:28:27	Zevv	you can go down if you like that kind of thing
06:28:30	Zevv	but its stupid work
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06:29:26	Yardanico	btw binary size for echo vs stdout.write (with \n added) is 100% same
06:29:52	narimiran	Zevv: nooooooo
06:29:55	Yardanico	ah wait
06:30:01	narimiran	you'll ruin your odometer if you go on a drive
06:30:10	Zevv	I did yesterday already
06:30:14	narimiran	you won't be a cool kid anymore
06:30:19	Yardanico	AHAHA
06:30:28	Zevv	when the police summoned me from standing still in the middle of the highway to take a picture
06:30:36	FromDiscord	<Rika> LOL
06:30:37	Yardanico	binary size for stdout.write is 4x of echo
06:30:41	Yardanico	idk why but it's 19kb
06:30:52	Zevv	use the source, luke
06:31:19	Yardanico	seems like it pulls much more from system
06:32:34	Yardanico	c system loc with stdout.write - 906
06:32:41	Yardanico	with echo - 205
06:35:24	Yardanico	btw trying to use the compiler after compiling it with arc on latest devel gives a funny error
06:35:26	Yardanico	"Error: unhandled exception: 'sons' is not accessible using discriminant 'kind' of type 'TNode' [FieldDefect]"
06:35:40	Yardanico	sadly it regressed a bit
06:35:50	Yardanico	before it could compile hello world with sink inference disabled
06:36:13	Yardanico	just need to minimize the compiler to reproduce the error, ez
06:36:15	Yardanico	XD
06:36:47	FromDiscord	<Rika> glhf
06:36:54	Yardanico	its only ~60k cloc
06:37:23	Yardanico	ah nice
06:37:31	Yardanico	with ORC i get a crash in refs_v2.nim
06:37:33	FromDiscord	<Rika> "only"
06:37:53	Yardanico	Zevv: btw wanna learn a cool trick?
06:38:16	Yardanico	-d:nimArcDebug -d:traceArc
06:38:37	Yardanico	gives spammy output about refcounting stuff
06:39:51	Yardanico	"nim c --gc:arc -d:leanCompiler --sinkInference:off -o:bin/nimarc -r compiler/nim.nim c -r hello.nim"
06:39:51	Yardanico	meta
06:40:39	Yardanico	wait did I break something "/home/dian/Things/Nim/lib/system.nim(26, 3) Error: expression 'float' is of type 'type float' and has to be used (or discarded)"
06:43:05	Yardanico	i'm just testing all these nim libs for arc bugs in hope that this helps running the compiler with arc :P
06:43:18	narimiran	Yardanico: what nim libs?
06:43:19	Yardanico	because i'm scared of directly understanding the issues
06:43:33	Yardanico	narimiran: well, there's https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Status-of-gc:arc-and-gc:orc-(library-compatibility) but it's not full
06:43:59	narimiran	ok, because the other day i've run all the important packages
06:44:07	Yardanico	I did too a few days ago
06:44:16	narimiran	yay, duplicated work :)
06:44:23	Yardanico	how did you pass --gc:arc ?
06:44:29	Yardanico	well, I used orc though
06:44:31	narimiran	one by one
06:44:33	Yardanico	heh
06:44:37	Yardanico	i cheated
06:44:46	Yardanico	https://gist.github.com/Yardanico/fed1d44965987ffbfc32eed5118e9d7f
06:45:02	narimiran	hehe, nice touch!
06:45:27	Yardanico	results in https://github.com/Yardanico/random-stuff/issues/6
06:45:28	disbot	➥ important packages new
06:45:33	narimiran	btw, manual testing did discover that some of the packages weren't tested at all
06:45:44	Yardanico	yeah I was surprised too
06:45:48	Yardanico	I noticed it when testing too
06:46:10	narimiran	now it should be fixed in the latest devel, i pushed the fix yesterday
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06:46:20	Yardanico	i've seen that too :P
06:47:24	Yardanico	so out of 121 packages 28 failed
06:47:32	Yardanico	half of them because of closure sink inference
06:47:38	Yardanico	maybe I should retest
06:47:41	Yardanico	with --sinkInference:off
06:47:58	Yardanico	actually i guess I'll do it right now
06:49:13	narimiran	yeah, i've seen three main categories of failures:
06:49:22	Yardanico	did you check my results link? :P
06:49:48	Yardanico	but yeah, pls share
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06:50:17	narimiran	1. sink inference; 2. deep copy; 3. cannot bind another `=destroy`
06:50:29	Yardanico	3 is due to order of finalizers and types and constructors
06:50:35	Yardanico	it's fixable manually
06:50:41	Yardanico	need to reorder code
06:51:19	narimiran	oh, and some failed assertions here and there; also some sigsegvs
06:51:26	Yardanico	:)
06:52:26	Yardanico	ok testing without sink inference now
06:52:27	narimiran	btw, did you notice any difference in arc and orc?
06:52:36	narimiran	e.g. one works, other doesn't?
06:52:49	narimiran	i tested first half of the packages with both and no difference
06:53:00	narimiran	so i tested second half only with arc
06:53:04	Yardanico	well ideally there should be no difference except for memory leaks
06:53:16	Yardanico	but if nim compiler is doing something wrong the stack traces might be different :)
06:53:21	Yardanico	with arc/orc when a program SIGSEGVs
06:53:58	Yardanico	e,g, see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15039
06:54:00	disbot	➥ [ARC] Weird cursorifier bug with methods + doubly-linked lists ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2dH6
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06:56:08	Yardanico	"FAILURE! total: 46 passed: 35 skipped: 0 failed: 11" for first batch
06:56:16	Yardanico	same stuff
06:57:04	Yardanico	arraymancer, cello, chronicles, chronos, combparser, ggplotnim, hts-nim, karax, macroutils, nim-markdown, INim (that one is because nimscript doesn't like --gc:arc or --gc:orc in configs, will need to manually test)
06:57:57	Yardanico	seems like without sink inference things are better
06:58:39	Yardanico	and yeah it's still a not-decided topic
07:00:41	Yardanico	btw seems like people are very original in naming nim libs :)
07:00:43	Yardanico	me too
07:00:54	Yardanico	take a shot every time you see a nim library which starts with the letter "n"
07:01:06	Yardanico	ah actually not that much
07:01:06	Yardanico	sad
07:01:09	Yardanico	"FAILURE! total: 60 passed: 47 skipped: 0 failed: 13"
07:01:21	Yardanico	mostly deepCopy
07:01:26	Yardanico	also PNimType
07:02:08	Yardanico	im interested in this PNimType thing
07:02:10	Yardanico	gonna check it out
07:02:43	Yardanico	maybe I should also go batshit crazy and do my old stuff
07:02:48	Yardanico	when I cloned all nimble repos
07:02:52	Yardanico	and run tests in ALL of them with orc
07:03:57	Yardanico	weird, can't reproduce that PNimType thing when testing manually
07:05:15	Yardanico	this one is legit though "/macroutils.nim(1137, 7) Error: cannot generate destructor for generic type: seq[tuple[node: NimNode, pos: seq[int]]]"
07:10:54	Yardanico	oh that one is easy to repro
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07:16:26	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15043
07:16:35	Yardanico	disbot ded
07:16:40	Yardanico	~strema
07:16:41	disbot	no footnotes for `strema`. 🙁
07:16:44	Yardanico	wait disbot not ded
07:21:57	Yardanico	I love rain
07:22:21	Yardanico	oh nice with nimyaml compiler just crashes, more fun
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07:46:11	Yardanico	ok minimized the crash
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08:40:39	FromGitter	<bung87> https://github.com/bung87/mozjpeg/blob/master/src/mozjpeg.nim
08:40:45	FromGitter	<bung87> I got `Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64: ⏎ "_jpeg_CreateCompress", referenced from: ⏎ ⏎ ``` _optimizeJPG in api.c.o```` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5f194d0c9360cb1f46640159]
08:40:55	FromGitter	<bung87> what am I doing wrong ?
08:41:17	Yardanico	you need to link with libjpeg
08:41:36	Yardanico	try adding --passC:"-ljpeg"
08:41:47	Yardanico	i mean in config or command-line when compiling
08:45:50	FromGitter	<bung87> nim c --passL:"-ljpeg" "/Users/bung/nim_works/mozjpeg/src/mozjpeg.nim"
08:46:12	FromGitter	<bung87> I got one error now, less than before
08:46:33	Yardanico	ah well you're not building mozjpeg itself
08:46:38	Yardanico	I can't really help but you need to build it as well
08:46:44	Yardanico	I mean https://github.com/bung87/mozjpeg/tree/master/src/mozjpeg/mozjpeg-3.3.1
08:47:47	FromGitter	<bung87> I need use it as shared lib ?
08:48:42	Yardanico	then you're doing it wrong?
08:50:50	FromGitter	<bung87> am trying wrap its c api , not intend to build mozjpeg as dll
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09:19:31	ForumUpdaterBot	New thread by Sirinath: Single Open Intermediate Language (SOIL) Initiative, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6578
09:19:43	Yardanico	pls stop
09:20:31	Yardanico	"it is the aspiration that there be a Single Open Intermediate Language that supports all major languages on all major platforms."
09:20:37	Yardanico	it's all https://xkcd.com/927/ again
09:25:25	Araq	it's worse
09:25:40	Araq	"What about the JVM and the CLI/CLR/.NET?
09:25:40	Araq	Both of these (proprietary) systems were designed to primarily support a single language, "
09:25:52	Yardanico	proprietary?
09:26:03	Araq	not true, .NET is pretty complete for any language
09:26:17	Araq	> the fact that both of these systems needed extensions specifically to support dynamically typed languages are demonstrative of their failure to be language agnostic.
09:26:35	Araq	as opposed to webassemlby that cannot even get the calling stack right?
09:26:44	Araq	madness
09:26:58	Araq	> WebAssembly operates at a much lower level, providing each language the freedom to specify its own optimized implementation without the need for built-in support.
09:27:19	Araq	er and .NET cannot do that?
09:27:36	Araq	but ok, .NET is from evil M$ so let's instead use wasm.
09:29:03	Araq	how do I create a thread in webassembly btw
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09:29:18	Yardanico	to be fair it is possible
09:29:24	Yardanico	with emscripten :P
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09:31:25	Araq	https://emscripten.org/docs/porting/pthreads.html
09:31:45	Araq	"As of Sep 2019, some browsers have disabled SharedArrayBuffer due to the Spectre set of vulnerabilities. Until it is restored you can still experiment with it if you flip a pref in those browsers."
09:32:57	Araq	I'll say it once again. please give me a x86 DOS emulator instead
09:34:22	Araq	the x86 instruction set produces dense code anyway, it's good format, and extensible and it survived 40 years
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09:35:11	Araq	plus compilers can produce code for it and it supports arbitrary control flow too. every PL can be mapped to it, it's great stuff
09:39:26	Araq	just what is the point of all of this, grow wasm until it supports POSIX and runs on the CPU directly without a VM...
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09:40:08	Yardanico	> supports POSIX - you're very close to reality :P
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09:40:09	Yardanico	https://wasi.dev/
09:41:02	Araq	well I'm not kidding, I know how these things work
09:41:18	alehander92	oii
09:41:20	alehander92	how is it
09:42:18	alehander92	hmm something like soil might work one day
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09:43:07	Araq	first you want some "declarative" stuff because Alan Turing was evil (HTML), then you figure out you need to run real programs (JS), then you need to run the programs faster (wasm). then you need more features like I dunno, threads and access to a file system maybe. And debugging support.
09:44:45	Araq	we have "Soil". today. It's called x86 code. Yes, there are multiple different OSes on top of it. Yes interop between programming languages is terrible. it always is, Haskell is simply quite different from Python.
09:44:55	Araq	bbl
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10:03:30	Yardanico	hm, someone commented on a russian translation ( of https://medium.com/better-programming/a-python-substitute-i-tried-out-the-best-programming-language-youve-never-heard-of-9e29cd1893c0 - also read https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6577 )
10:03:42	Yardanico	that nim is lying in the main page a bit (for now)
10:03:49	Yardanico	about "Nim's memory management is deterministic and customizable with destructors and move semantics, inspired by C++ and Rust. It is well-suited for embedded, hard-realtime systems." - since it's not the default yet
10:04:20	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Yardanico: The point I was trying to make earlier about CPS is that it's equivalent in spirit to iterators, and that we should leverage iterators for a new async implementation.
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10:05:50	FromDiscord	<Varriount> The separate continuations are equivalent to the separate logic states in an iterator, and the parameters passed between continuations are equivalent to a (closure) iterator's state data.
10:06:38	Zevv	current async *is* built on iterators
10:06:43	Zevv	but iterators are too limited
10:07:17	FromDiscord	<Varriount> It's built on a weird pass-one-iterator to another architecture
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10:09:26	FromDiscord	<Varriount> The problem with implementing the CPS strategy as actual separate procedures is there will be many more memory allocations/moves as parameters are shuffled from continuation to continuation. Plus, thing like 'try' and 'defer' would need to be emulated.
10:09:45	FromDiscord	<Varriount> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/readlink.2.html
10:11:14	FromDiscord	<Varriount> See https://medium.com/google-developer-experts/coroutines-suspending-state-machines-36b189f8aa60
10:11:29	FromDiscord	<impbox> So I'm looking at 13375 again (compileTime->runtime barrier crossing), https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13375#issuecomment-662925429 between modules
10:11:30	disbot	➥ Accessing compileTime variable at runtime returns zeroed data. ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bba
10:13:21	FromDiscord	<impbox> has anyone managed to get compileTime registering and runtime accessing stuff working between modules?
10:18:11	Yardanico	@impbox I made your example work with tables :P
10:18:15	Yardanico	a workaround
10:18:38	FromDiscord	<impbox> ooh
10:18:51	Yardanico	https://gist.github.com/Yardanico/bb201d2d1e17373f1ab31d24cf21273f
10:19:31	FromDiscord	<impbox> wow!
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10:20:13	FromDiscord	<impbox> weird that it can work with tables but not seqs
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10:21:33	Yardanico	your solution was a bit wrong I feel also
10:21:38	Yardanico	you used compileTime but not static block
10:21:45	Yardanico	so you added them to a seq at runtime
10:21:51	Yardanico	to a compile-time seq :P
10:22:05	Yardanico	if you want to assign them at runtime, it'll work just fine I think
10:22:23	FromDiscord	<impbox> ahh i took mine from the manual https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#pragmas-compiletime-pragma
10:22:38	Yardanico	hrm
10:22:38	FromDiscord	<impbox> maybe that manual example needs fixing
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10:23:37	FromDiscord	<impbox> thanks for your help though, any idea why it works with tables and not seqs? I can use tables for my use case so it's ok
10:23:37	Yardanico	the runtime solution - https://gist.github.com/Yardanico/4ba733120dbf283c0d17bb1403659f47
10:23:43	Yardanico	yeah, I'm not sure why :P
10:23:53	Yardanico	(although you could use tables for runtime soultion too if you want)
10:24:18	FromDiscord	<impbox> mmm i want all registration to happen at compile time
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10:24:34	Yardanico	then that compile-time table solution should work I guess
10:24:40	FromDiscord	<impbox> seems like that works with the static block
10:24:41	FromDiscord	<impbox> \o/
10:28:43	Yardanico	well seems like the table solution is not the most efficient one as it recreates the table each time you call the callProc proc(??)
10:28:53	Yardanico	so it's technically still runtime (well of course)
10:29:43	Yardanico	maybe the c compiler optimizes it, idk
10:29:49	Yardanico	https://i.imgur.com/mOuGV3k.png with arc
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10:47:03	FromDiscord	<impbox> interesting!
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11:08:23	Zevv	disruptek: I'm kind of offended by how charming your CPS implementation is
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11:26:06	Araq	Yardanico: 1.2 ships with --gc:arc and the default doesn't matter IMO. if you need it, you can use it easily. the fact that e.g. NimYaml doesn't work on it isn't relevant as you don't need a YAML parser on a CPU with 16KB of storage
11:26:25	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> @Araq Do you have a little bit of time? I considered multiple options to solve our problem with the overwhelming amount of documentation, and how to fit all into one category. I considered this: https://example.docsy.dev/docs/
11:26:41	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Its a static homepage, made with either Jekyll or Hugo.
11:27:05	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> And I could transfer the whole content in Learn and Documentation and fuse it together.
11:27:58	Araq	we don't have to fit all into one category, we can have two
11:28:21	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> There are multiple issues with that
11:28:33	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> You dont like the software shown?
11:30:04	hzx	I'd love to see Nim's documentation in Dash/Zeal format
11:30:22	Araq	we already use Jekyll for the website and I will never ever accept Hugo. if we rewrite it once again, we'll rewrite it in Nim
11:31:17	Araq	but sorry, I have to go, will be back tonight
11:31:30	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> I know that we use Jekyll already.
11:31:33	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Thanks a lot.
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11:36:55	FromDiscord	<dom96> > It's built on a weird pass-one-iterator to another architecture↵@Varriount What's weird about the implementation? how else would you implement it?
11:37:20	FromDiscord	<dom96> I think you may be mistaken with how it works, iterators are not passed around
11:44:06	ForumUpdaterBot	New thread by Jasonfi: Web app architecture?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6580
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11:53:07	Yardanico	seems like these SOIL guys are really KEEN on inviting everyone to their initiative
11:53:08	Yardanico	https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/5915
11:53:09	disbot	➥ Single Open Intermediate Language (SOIL) Initiative
11:54:02	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Wouldnt IR from LLVM be more suitable for that?
11:54:20	Yardanico	they have "what about llvm" in their faq
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12:06:51	alehander92	hm
12:06:55	alehander92	i have two ideas for rfc-s
12:07:05	alehander92	but maybe the second one needs a pre-rfc: here it is
12:08:54	alehander92	do we need a pattern matching solution inside the stdlib/language, or in fusion? or should it remain as a third party lib thing as it is now?
12:08:55	alehander92	(python and ruby seem to add pattern matching as well?)
12:09:59	alehander92	if we do, should a rfc be about a stdlib addition or about fusion one? (and should it be a new dsl based on more research on other systems, or mostly adaptation of patty / gara)
12:10:10	alehander92	+ ast_pattern_matching by krux02
12:10:12	alehander92	Araq ^
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12:36:35	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Did anyone railway oriented programming in Nim?↵https://vimeo.com/97344498
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12:39:22	FromDiscord	<Varriount> dom96: I would essentially copy Rust's architecture.
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12:41:16	FromDiscord	<dom96> Yes, I would do too if I had the time
12:41:17	FromDiscord	<Varriount> The only component missing that would make that architecture truly performant for Nim is the current hard separation between closure iterators and inline iterators. Ideally the compiler would be able to decide whether a iterator call/instantiation requires a closure-type setup or an inline one.
12:41:35	FromDiscord	<dom96> But Rust doesn't use iterators at all AFAIK
12:41:57	FromDiscord	<Varriount> dom96: To be clear, I'm not blaming you or your lack of time. We all have work and personal matters to attend to.
12:43:11	FromDiscord	<Varriount> dom96: No, but (from what I've read) it does rewrite async functions into a state machine. `if state == 0: go to beginning block. if state == 1: go to second block`.
12:43:52	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Iterators essentially boil down to the same kind of logic.
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12:45:54	FromDiscord	<Varriount> By "state machine", I mean a function that accepts, as a parameter, an indicator of what section of logic should be executed.
12:46:19	FromDiscord	<Varriount> (since I know the term by itself is vague)
12:46:57	FromDiscord	<Varriount> That parameter doesn't have to be the only one the function accepts, but it does have to be passed.
12:47:38	FromDiscord	<dom96> Sure. I have suggested that others look into this as well
12:47:50	FromDiscord	<dom96> Don't understand the sudden excitement for CSP
12:48:06	FromDiscord	<dom96> It would give me more confidence if there was at least one language that successfully makes use of it for async
12:48:26	shashlick	@hzx: https://github.com/genotrance/nim-docset
12:49:23	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> @Varriount just FYI - there's a person active in Nim Telegram who came from Rust
12:49:32	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> And liked Nim's async more
12:49:36	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Even performance wise
12:50:31	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> He said he had issued with borrow checking in async code
12:50:46	FromDiscord	<dom96> ooh, performance-wise? how?
12:51:07	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> I don't know, but that's what he said in a comment :P
12:51:19	FromDiscord	<Varriount> I would be interested in knowing more about their take on the two systems.
12:51:25	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> https://m.habr.com/ru/company/vdsina/blog/512028/comments/#comment_21877684
12:51:31	FromDiscord	<dom96> @Yardanico can you quote reply that comment to me in Telegram?
12:51:41	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> It's in Russian but hopefully Google translate can do it
12:52:05	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> @dom96 that comment is from the link I gave, but he's in telegram
12:52:18	ForumUpdaterBot	New thread by Serge: Is it possible to mimic Go's Goroutines, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6582
12:52:27	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Also that article is Russian translation of that (not very good) article about Nim
12:52:38	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> The one with Fibonacci benchmark
12:52:59	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> But it already got over 100 comments (I also commented under some comments to clear some confusions)
12:54:58	FromDiscord	<Varriount> dom96: One downside to a state-machine system like that is that it is heavily dependent on the compiler inlining intermediate calls to other async procedures.↵If you have a call stack like this:↵` handleHTTP -> handleRoute -> routeImpl -> retrieveFromDatabase`↵and `retrieveFromDatabase` pauses the async procedure, the event loop will have to call `handleHTTP` again, and the call stack will need to be reconstructed.
12:56:20	FromDiscord	<Varriount> (the reason this call stack destruction/construction doesn't affect the async procedure's state is because the state is stored in the closure's environment)
12:57:11	FromDiscord	<dom96> @Yardanico yeah, please tell them that we're not "getting rid of the GC"
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12:58:44	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Meh, Java really poisoned the term "GC"/"garbage collector". Everyone seems to think that having a GC automatically means your program will be slower than a snail in molasses.
13:03:02	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> There also was this article about one person's experience with Nim↵https://habr.com/ru/post/462577/
13:06:34	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Habrahabr is easily the biggest CIS (commonwealth of independent states) technology-oriented website
13:06:49	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Imagine medium.com but more centralised
13:08:16	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> And it's quite old as well (2006). To get full access you need to get an invite - you can either ask someone who has enough karma to give an invite to you, or write an article in the sandbox and hope that someone (either another user or website moderators) will give you an invite
13:08:51	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Huh, interesting model. How well does it work?
13:09:21	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Pretty well, there's virtually no spam or anything like that
13:09:28	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> And a lot of interesting content
13:09:35	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Unique content :P
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13:10:03	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> I got an invite from a very small "article" about Nim generics and converters which I wrote in 2017 lol
13:10:25	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Some user gave me an invite after I published it in the sandbox
13:11:20	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> It's really small, I'm embarrassed of myself now when I read it - https://m.habr.com/ru/post/333702/
13:11:29	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> (edit) 'https://m.habr.com/ru/post/333702/' => 'https://habr.com/ru/post/333702/'
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13:15:56	shashlick	Still looking for feedback on nimble issues that should be prioritize for fixing - if there's something that really blocks you, let me know
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13:19:33	FromDiscord	<dom96> Might want to ask in the forum 🙂
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13:28:06	FromGitter	<bung87> Yardanico you still not sleep ?
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13:32:19	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Yeah not yet lol
13:32:20	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Soon
13:35:30	FromGitter	<bung87> oh crazy
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13:36:36	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Well, I've only been awake for ~20 hours
13:39:55	alehander92	isn't it very
13:39:57	alehander92	wait what
13:40:01	alehander92	why didnt you sleep
13:40:23	FromGitter	<bung87> thats long enough to me
14:09:47	FromDiscord	<tomck> i'm making a lang, i've written the IR/backend in Nim so far - haven't got a parser yet & i'm lazy so i probably won't for a while, BUT testing the IR is getting... painful↵Since, instead of testing something like `let x = 3`, I have to test `newLet(newSym("x"), none(Type), newIntLit(3))`↵Is nim's macro system expansive enough to let me dfefine my language's grammar within nim as a DSL?
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14:11:19	FromDiscord	<lqdev> i'm probably not one to judge, but it would be a waste of time. you're better off creating the parser.
14:12:03	FromDiscord	<lqdev> but nim's macros are indeed powerful enough to allow the creation of such DSLs
14:14:32	FromDiscord	<tomck> fair, would it be a faff to create or are nim's macros very easy to use?
14:14:49	FromDiscord	<tomck> If i was in lisp this'd be a no-brainer, but i'm assuming manipulating nim's AST is a bit trickier
14:16:23	FromDiscord	<tomck> can i write some macros to turn nim's AST into my lang, then have a function which converts a string to nim's AST at runtime? (so that i can write my 'parser' once, e.g. nim ast -> my ast, then use that for both embedding my lang at compile-time and loading it at runtime?)
14:26:47	FromDiscord	<dom96> sure you can
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14:27:09	FromDiscord	<dom96> The only trouble you may have is if your language is not easily representable in Nim's AST
14:27:18	FromDiscord	<dom96> but even then, that's just a case of more work rather than it being impossible
14:27:54	FromDiscord	<tomck> so, i can run my macro at runtime too then?
14:30:28	FromDiscord	<dom96> you can emit it and have Nim compile it for you
14:31:08	FromDiscord	<tomck> no i mean, if i have a string, can I parse & eval that using nim's parser and my macro at runtime?
14:31:24	FromDiscord	<tomck> (so that my macro can double as a runtime and compile-time 'parser')
14:32:10	FromDiscord	<dom96> For that you'd have to import the compiler's source code afaik
14:33:42	FromDiscord	<tomck> ok cool ta
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14:35:58	alehander92	but wait
14:36:04	alehander92	why do you need nim macros at all
14:36:20	alehander92	ah, i see you want to reuse nim's syntax
14:36:34	alehander92	yeah, reusing nim's parser as the compiler does
14:36:37	alehander92	might be easiest
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14:39:43	alehander92	https://github.com/alehander92/learn-compiler/blob/master/learn.nim#L37
14:39:48	alehander92	i do that here as an example
14:44:33	alehander92	hey Araq about the other rfc
14:44:46	Araq	yes?
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14:48:39	alehander92	so basically, should i open a pattern matching rfc (1) and should i open a enum/variant-flow-typing rfc (2)
14:49:31	alehander92	(i don't want to spend time on a feature which sounds not useful)
14:52:14	Araq	sure but only after you looked at the newish case statement macros
14:58:28	alehander92	ok
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15:13:53	Araq	bug #15036 is the strangest bug since a looong time
15:13:54	disbot	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15036 -- 3[ARC] C compiler error when creating a var of a const seq ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=20D9
15:23:04	disruptek	Zevv: honestly, your work was much more elegant. hopefully, we can get back there eventually.
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15:31:02	alehander92	you elegant people
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15:33:06	disruptek	it's the second most important metric, afaic.
15:36:47	FromDiscord	<exelotl> Is there a ref equivalent of `pointer` (i.e. a type that represents any reference type)
15:37:33	disruptek	nope.
15:37:47	FromGitter	<bung87> `const unsigned char* input_data` I pass a cstring to this c api, inside the c function it print `����`
15:37:59	FromDiscord	<exelotl> wah 😭
15:38:20	disruptek	use a pointer and cast it. that's what you want.
15:38:58	disruptek	i think i used `distinct pointer` to hack it, once.
15:39:36	FromDiscord	<lqdev> @exelotl actually there is
15:39:41	FromDiscord	<lqdev> `ref RootObj`
15:45:06	FromGitter	<bung87> oh I got 4 bytes, It's same when I dealing with compressed data
15:47:30	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> @Araq you're welcome :P didn't know it'd be so strange
15:48:06	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> all the time I thought it's nim's lsp that is so slow, but it's actually the vscode extension
15:48:20	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> the feedback is instant in kakoune
15:48:51	FromGitter	<bung87> wait what extension you use ?
15:49:17	FromDiscord	<lqdev> with enums, does Nim do The Right Thing and choose the smallest possible integer type that could fit the enum's values?
15:49:53	Prestige	I can't believe discord allows emojis as names lol
15:50:06	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> bung, in vscode or kakoune?
15:50:31	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> either way it's the first ones I found
15:50:38	FromGitter	<bung87> in vscode
15:50:49	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> https://github.com/pragmagic/vscode-nim.git
15:51:12	FromGitter	<bung87> !eval type A = enum a,b,c;echo sizeof(a)
15:51:14	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 20) Error: identifier expected, but got ';'
15:51:25	FromGitter	<bung87> it gives 1
15:51:55	FromGitter	<bung87> that one does not use nim lsp
15:53:40	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> https://github.com/GaryM-exkage/vscode-nim-alt.git doesn't seem faster either
15:53:53	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> maybe it's just the editor :(
15:54:43	FromGitter	<bung87> it also not use nim lsp
15:55:13	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> so which one does?
15:55:25	Prestige	I dislike having to restart my lsp server every time I edit more than 1 file
15:55:44	Araq	lqdev: yes it does
15:56:01	FromGitter	<bung87> https://github.com/bung87/vscode-nim-lsp
15:56:10	FromDiscord	<lqdev> Araq: cool, thanks!
15:56:47	FromGitter	<bung87> Prestige you can fork nim-lsp change its behavior
15:57:35	Prestige	Yeah, I should
15:57:51	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> Ok, this is instantenous too
15:58:11	FromGitter	<bung87> vscode try restart multiple times in minutes , when it still fails , it never try
15:58:18	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> I wouldn't expect both of the most popular extensions not to use the lsp
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16:00:00	FromGitter	<bung87> the nim lsp server parts can ignore compile error continue serve , so that not easy get server down
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16:07:59	FromGitter	<bung87> how I can pass compressed data to c api , I remenber used to change wrap proc accept string, but this time I got error it can identify as jpeg format
16:08:18	FromGitter	<bung87> can't
16:13:20	FromDiscord	<😬🤣> I don't understand the question tbh
16:13:31	disruptek	someone else had a similar problem with compressed data. you might want to search the irc logs. this was a few months ago, iirc.
16:15:40	FromDiscord	<dom96> huh, how can the LSP server be faster than nimsuggest?
16:15:46	FromDiscord	<dom96> doesn't the LSP server use nimsuggest?
16:17:25	FromGitter	<bung87> how to search irc logs
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16:17:41	FromDiscord	<dom96> using google
16:18:01	superbia1	which vscode extensions should I install for nim?
16:18:05	Araq	lol it's Clyybber's hack, inspired by my hacks
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16:18:19	Araq	const sfSingleUsedTemp = sfExported # so that's why the export marker influences the code generator
16:18:55	disruptek	doh
16:21:18	Araq	well it only took an hour to find, it's fine
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16:25:11	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Well guess that my spontaneous decision to test that TUI Tetris in Nim wasn't so useless :P
16:25:20	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> I honestly didn't expect to find anything in there
16:25:29	FromGitter	<bung87> I found my question about compressed data in irc logs , it solved by using string type
16:27:35	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> Why not seq[byte] ?
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16:31:36	FromGitter	<bung87> hmm ,not work still `Not a JPEG file: starts with 0xb7 0x2c`
16:35:23	FromGitter	<bung87> I tried `openarray[byte]` got `type mismatch: got <TaintedString,`
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16:35:56	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> seq[byte]
16:36:13	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> But your issue is probably not the
16:36:17	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> *there
16:39:28	FromGitter	<bung87> hmm, I might just wrap the file handle api, read file from c
16:39:46	FromDiscord	<Shucks> Did anyone tried to code a custom dllmain on windows yet? This thread doesn't gets launched. I don't think DllMain gets called at all. https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2j3a
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16:45:22	Zevv	disruptek: tell me, how far did you get, functionality wise?
16:45:49	disruptek	i just noticed that a while loop that used to work, does not.
16:46:21	Zevv	did you start from scratch or is it evolution?
16:46:26	disruptek	i updated the readme a minute ago.
16:46:44	disruptek	it's technically an evolution.
16:47:07	disruptek	but the dispatcher is scratch, i guess.
16:47:13	Zevv	Mine was better :P)
16:47:31	disruptek	i know. but i needed it to work. 😁
16:47:36	Zevv	ha ha ha ha
16:47:56	Zevv	well, I admire your persistence
16:48:05	disruptek	i haven't done "extruded" vars, also.
16:48:16	Zevv	¿Extruded?
16:48:33	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> @Araq[IRC]#0000 do you like the Jekyll theme I showed you for the documentation?
16:49:00	Araq	we already have a theme, please focus on the content
16:49:11	disruptek	i think they call relocations from stack to heap, extruded.
16:49:34	disruptek	like, we need to handle HiddenAddr and stuff.
16:49:59	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> @Araq[IRC]#0000 i dont think the content fits nicely into the current theme
16:50:06	Zevv	lifted
16:50:13	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Learn and Documentation is essentially the same
16:50:19	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Some items are duplicates
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16:50:47	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> And you could swap around items as you want, you would basically change no context.
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16:50:57	disruptek	not merely lifted, but boxed.
16:51:19	Zevv	oh right
16:51:21	Zevv	that's the word
16:51:24	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> I think our documentation has grown to a point, where a dedicated wiki makes sense.
16:51:39	Zevv	were you able to find everything in the AST or do you make assumptions/guesses
16:51:53	Zevv	because I felt I needed two passes, one untyped and one typed, to get everything I needed
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16:52:23	disruptek	the only missing piece is probably just a phase issue that we can fix, which is type inference.
16:52:49	disruptek	also, i need to do reparenting of the env so that you can redefine the type of a symbol in a lower scope.
16:52:52	Araq	ShalokShalom: I looked at it again and it's mostly
16:53:01	Araq	Learn --> should be "Beginners"
16:53:11	Araq	Documenation --> should be "Advanced"
16:53:33	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Thats fine
16:53:38	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Drop down menus?
16:53:59	FromDiscord	<dom96> disruptek: sounds like you're reimplementing the compiler 😛
16:54:06	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> So Documentation splits up into beginners, advanced and maybe community
16:54:31	disruptek	i mean, it's not even 1000 lines.
16:54:33	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Couple of things are actually straight duplicates
16:54:50	disruptek	i'd be happy if i could reimpl the compiler in less than 5k.
16:54:55	Zevv	any obvious limitations expect for the not-able-to-work-with-templates-and-for-loops?
16:54:58	Araq	well it's not like we need to do anything at all really. you didn't click on "learn", happens
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16:55:15	disruptek	why don't templates work?
16:55:28	Zevv	you can't look inside them in your transform, right?
16:55:38	Araq	plenty of other people managed to navigate our site though
16:55:42	Araq	bbl
16:55:44	Zevv	if there's control flow in a template you are calling, you can't transform that
16:56:25	disruptek	i dunno, try it. one annoyance is that i cannot provide the degraded experience i wanted to.
16:56:40	disruptek	ie. when you call a cps proc out of context, i wanted a nice compile error.
16:56:49	disruptek	i think that's also fixable with macro hax, though.
16:57:01	Zevv	that's hard. Also it's probably pretty tough to keep sane error messages relating to the original pre-transformed code
16:57:34	disruptek	it requires vigilance, and it's not perfect, but it's okay.
16:57:52	Zevv	I think what frustrated me most was that I was kind of making progress-by-accident
16:58:06	Zevv	I lost control, just fixing thing after thing without having a good overview anymore
16:58:07	alehander92	disruptek are we reimplementing it
16:58:13	Zevv	disruptek is
16:58:17	alehander92	i planned doing that
16:58:22	alehander92	probably a very bad idea
16:58:28	disruptek	the compiler?
16:58:33	alehander92	everything man
16:58:37	disruptek	dude.
16:58:41	alehander92	i have git there
16:58:56	disruptek	git + alehander = everything, man.
16:59:00	Zevv	instead of fixing arc we could just reimplement the compiler. that makes sense
16:59:09	Zevv	and it's always good to have more then one implementation
16:59:16	disruptek	true.
16:59:20	disruptek	i'm warming to the idea.
16:59:28	Zevv	I bet you are
16:59:41	Zevv	after all, it's just transforming AST, right
16:59:45	Zevv	how hard can it be
16:59:50	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> @Araq[IRC]#0000 yeah, its more about doing elegant
16:59:52	FromDiscord	<dom96> Sounds like fun.
17:00:01	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Not saying its not possible
17:00:03	alehander92	that was one of my ideas with learn-compiler
17:00:05	disruptek	i mean, it's a good weekend project.
17:00:09	FromDiscord	<ShalokShalom> Just confusing and looks unprofessional
17:00:13	alehander92	but i always thought i'd just reimplement a small subset
17:00:18	FromDiscord	<dom96> Weekend? One evening, tops.
17:00:21	alehander92	but running in parallel
17:00:30	alehander92	dom96 duh just do it in a job interview
17:00:33	alehander92	on a whiteboard
17:00:35	disruptek	dom96: we aren't all minute-men like you.
17:00:37	Zevv	Its a shame Rod stalled and uses curly syntax. It should have been made Nim syntax and slowly grow into Nim2
17:01:38	disruptek	don't take tables.add away from me. 😭
17:01:47	FromDiscord	<dom96> disruptek: man, I live my life a quarter-mile at a minute
17:01:51	alehander92	qwhere we are going
17:01:54	alehander92	we dont need tables
17:02:07	alehander92	so obviously it's not LUA
17:02:14	alehander92	this place where we're going
17:02:43	FromDiscord	<dom96> alehander92: challenge accepted
17:02:59	disruptek	i owned a mkiv supra turbo when that movie came out.
17:03:08	ForumUpdaterBot	New thread by Shucks: Custom DllMain Windows, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6583
17:03:10	alehander92	such a unique job skill
17:03:43	Zevv	oh disruptek I wanted to share my latest milestone with you: http://zevv.nl/div/schlukki-volvo-pi.jpg
17:03:44	disruptek	that car got more attention than any of my turbo porsches.
17:03:52	FromDiscord	<dom96> disruptek: 😮
17:04:03	disruptek	people are stupid, what can i say.
17:04:16	disruptek	is that your volvo, Zevv?
17:04:18	Zevv	it is
17:04:23	disruptek	lol that's awesome.
17:04:26	disruptek	took some planning.
17:04:35	Zevv	took some planning.
17:04:39	FromDiscord	<lqdev> cool
17:04:43	FromDiscord	<dom96> Kid me would have been jealous. Who am I kidding, I'd still be jealous
17:04:54	FromDiscord	<lqdev> now you can't drive that thing anymore
17:04:56	disruptek	do you have the moose badge on your fender?
17:05:02	disruptek	turbo brick mofo
17:05:05	Zevv	lqdev: too bad, it's already gone
17:05:09	Zevv	the police chased me of the highway
17:05:13	FromDiscord	<lqdev> :(
17:05:15	Zevv	"sir, you can't just park here"
17:05:19	disruptek	lol
17:05:26	disruptek	sir, this is a wendy's.
17:05:43	FromDiscord	<lqdev> "but guys look my mileage is π * 100_000
17:05:46	alehander92	maybe this can be an app
17:05:53	alehander92	you can talk on the radio
17:05:58	alehander92	with all people having the same mileage
17:05:59	alehander92	as you
17:06:01	Zevv	haha
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17:06:36	FromDiscord	<dom96> shit, apply for YC right now
17:06:42	disruptek	right up there with the twitch-based game-of-life startup.
17:06:43	alehander92	dude just was thinking about tht
17:06:58	alehander92	posting on HN
17:07:02	alehander92	looking for donations
17:07:17	disruptek	there's already an app that lets you talk to everyone with the same weight.
17:07:21	disruptek	it's lonely at the top.
17:07:23	alehander92	i have to go and see what is happening on the protests
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17:07:28	alehander92	so see ya
17:07:32	disruptek	aight, peace
17:09:18	disruptek	wtf c-blake mentioned me in #15047
17:09:19	disbot	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/15047 -- 3deprecate tables.add
17:09:55	disruptek	am i really that vocal about this?
17:10:33	FromDiscord	<dom96> wow, when was this introduced
17:10:39	FromDiscord	<dom96> would have been very useful for HttpHeaders
17:10:53	Zevv	what
17:10:59	Zevv	deprecating tables.add?!
17:11:12	FromDiscord	<dom96> what, this is apparently pre-1.0?
17:12:23	FromDiscord	<dom96> 6 years, frick me
17:12:53	disruptek	no idea what you mean.
17:13:25	FromDiscord	<dom96> so if there are duplicate keys, how do I retrieve the two values that are in the table?
17:14:25	disruptek	you can retrieve them during iteration.
17:15:02	FromDiscord	<treeform> hashes can store duplicate keys??? Hash to seq[T] makes more sense?
17:15:23	disruptek	these are not hashes. they are tables.
17:15:30	FromDiscord	<dom96> https://nim-lang.org/docs/httpcore.html#HttpHeaders
17:15:54	disruptek	my views on httpheaders /are/ well-recorded.
17:16:07	FromDiscord	<dom96> I had no idea you could add duplicate keys to tables
17:16:16	disruptek	gtfo
17:16:22	disruptek	seriously?
17:16:44	FromDiscord	<treeform> If I saw that you could add multiple keys to a table, I would file it under a bug!
17:16:53	Zevv	tables is not a map
17:16:59	FromDiscord	<dom96> yes, why would I ever implement HttpHeaders that way otherwise
17:17:01	disruptek	hey, you can add two lines in a spreadsheet with the same values, too.
17:17:04	Zevv	hey what about
17:17:08	Zevv	we add a map
17:17:11	Zevv	and call it map
17:17:16	Zevv	because that's what people expect these days
17:17:31	FromDiscord	<dom96> I didn't realise `tables` had its own meaning lol
17:17:37	disruptek	i had to fork sorta to add `add`.
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17:17:39	Zevv	just build it on tables, with a map-only API
17:17:45	FromDiscord	<dom96> I just thought it was another name for `Map`
17:17:59	disruptek	gah, this is blowing my mind right now and i'm not even high.
17:18:14	FromDiscord	<Shucks> oh dicts
17:18:15	Zevv	you're all just ignoring me right, but I'm not joking
17:18:17	FromDiscord	<Shucks> ops.
17:18:25	disruptek	Zevv: i am right there with you, buddy.
17:19:08	disruptek	lemme see a pic of your 240
17:19:15	disruptek	i think i saw one once but i cannot remember.
17:19:17	Zevv	940, sorry
17:19:26	disruptek	oh pffbt, keep it to yourself, then.
17:19:32	Zevv	yeah bye
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17:19:45	disruptek	lol
17:19:47	*	Zevv joined #nim
17:19:55	disruptek	salty bitch
17:19:59	Zevv	you're what?
17:20:03	disruptek	nothin'
17:20:09	Zevv	anyway
17:20:54	Zevv	Add map, with a very minimal API, doing only map things. No confusion, a map is map, and people coming to #irc and the forum no longer have to ask where Nims maps are
17:21:02	Zevv	because, hey, we have maps
17:21:11	disruptek	yep.
17:21:17	disruptek	this should be an RFC, anyway.
17:21:36	FromDiscord	<dom96> lol
17:21:53	FromDiscord	<dom96> This isn't a common enough problem to warrant a new type
17:21:57	Zevv	problem is, every time I RFC something deep or complicated, I get a tiny review from clybbeer or crux and stuff get merged. Everytime I RFC something bloody obvious I get obliterated in the comments and I hide away crying
17:22:09	Zevv	dom96: it's just suger over Tables with a better name
17:22:28	disruptek	it's pretty damned common. think about it; it's a bug that you may have been /adding/ to all the nim you've written in 6 years.
17:22:43	FromDiscord	<dom96> lol alright. If Araq agrees to it then I honestly won't care enough to fight it
17:23:57	FromDiscord	<dom96> wish we could easily grep for `Table[.*, seq[` in most Nim codebases
17:24:49	disruptek	we can see what breaks, but we cannot know who is relying on this functionality.
17:24:54	FromDiscord	<treeform> Like dom, I assumed Table was Map, Dict, HashMap in other languages.
17:25:28	FromDiscord	<dom96> I wouldn't be surprised if most people assume this
17:25:47	FromDiscord	<treeform> Having a TreeMap and a HashMap as separate types might not be a bad idea... then you know the data-structure backing and expect things from it.
17:26:24	disruptek	i agree that it's a common assumption, certainly.
17:26:30	FromDiscord	<treeform> Rather then OrderedTable (I assumed was a treemap) and Table (I assumed was a hashmap)
17:27:06	disruptek	it makes much more sense to add a constrained type that may be more performant in some case.
17:27:20	FromDiscord	<treeform> We don't have AssociativeMap, which would also be useful.
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17:27:27	Zevv	you go rfc that, boy!
17:27:40	disruptek	araq has a bitable impl which i could use.
17:36:18	Zevv	?
17:44:35	Yardanico	Zevv: BiTable
17:44:38	Yardanico	key -> value and value -> key
17:44:51	Yardanico	mapping
17:44:56	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/compilerdev/blob/master/compiler/bitabs.nim
17:46:10	Zevv	oh right
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17:55:34	Prestige	Just making sure - is there no difference between x.isNil and x != nil?
17:55:39	Yardanico	no :(
17:56:04	Prestige	ah okay, ty
17:57:13	FromDiscord	<lqdev> Yardanico: why the frown
17:57:19	Yardanico	because I used isNil a lot
17:57:22	Yardanico	because I thought it is the way
17:57:28	Yardanico	must be from old nim days
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18:02:05	disruptek	i still think it's a good idea.
18:02:32	disruptek	it's more likely to survive a not-nil-ref change.
18:02:59	Zevv	Well, there *is* a difference between x.isNil and x != nil
18:04:44	FromDiscord	<lqdev> yeah, it looks different
18:04:51	bung	lol
18:05:19	Zevv	well, if one is true, the other one is like, not true, right?
18:05:28	Zevv	`x == nil`
18:07:07	bung	well , interesting aspect
18:07:37	Yardanico	apparently, from rust docs:
18:07:38	Yardanico	"So how do you know which type of integer to use? If you’re unsure, Rust’s defaults are generally good choices, and integer types default to i32: this type is generally the fastest, even on 64-bit systems. "
18:08:19	disruptek	that's true for blondes, too.
18:09:10	Zevv	I always use BiggestInt, better safe then sorry!
18:09:48	FromDiscord	<Avatarfighter> Imagine not using int16 as your integer sMh
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18:12:20	reversem3	Has anyone created OS scripts using nim-lang? like backup scripts or simple scripts for everyday tasks ?
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18:20:30	superbia	don't reinvent the wheel, use bash, and use other great linux cli apps
18:21:37	Yardanico	reversem3: I mean nim is a nice thing for this
18:21:42	Yardanico	you can even use it as a scripting language
18:21:52	Yardanico	there's also https://github.com/Vindaar/shell
18:22:49	Araq	superbia: bash is cryptic error prone unportable junk, the nice thing about reinventing the wheel is that you can get a round one
18:23:14	Araq	I use Nim for scripting all the time.
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18:29:25	reversem3	Araq: could you send me to some links or gists you might have that I could see some examples maybe ?
18:29:48	Araq	reversem3: the first line of your script is
18:29:51	Araq	include prelude
18:30:02	Araq	and then you have os, tables, strutils etc
18:30:20	Araq	and then you run your code via the new 'nim r foo.nim' command
18:34:19	reversem3	so this isn't nimscript then I take it
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18:34:49	Yardanico	reversem3: yeah it isn't :)
18:34:59	Yardanico	also you can use tcc for much faster compilation if you want to modify a lot
18:35:00	Zevv	disruptek: I commented on https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/15047 about `Map`. let's see what that brings :)
18:35:02	disbot	➥ deprecate tables.add
18:35:11	Yardanico	but if you "compile" without changing nim source, for most cases it'll be fast
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18:37:29	bung	how does c store compressed data in memory?
18:38:02	alehander92	ok our protest
18:38:04	alehander92	isnt very big
18:39:46	reversem3	Araq: and then you run your code via the new 'nim r foo.nim' command
18:39:46	reversem3	Don't you have to compile first ? nim c -r foo.nim ?
18:39:51	Yardanico	no
18:39:55	Yardanico	"nim r" is exactly nim c -r
18:39:58	Yardanico	but it saves the binary in nimcache
18:40:07	superbia	ok, in my defence, if your bash scripts and cli scripts are so complicated that you need to use propper language like python or nim to write them, you are doing something wrong
18:40:11	reversem3	ohhhh ok ,
18:40:30	Yardanico	superbia: tell that to people who have bash programs with more than 1k loc
18:41:07	Prestige	bash isn't very readable
18:41:10	Yardanico	exactly
18:41:16	reversem3	I still use bash also , but to learn more about nim its easier (In my opinion) to work with the language with doing real world things
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18:42:09	Yardanico	ok now nimyaml doesn't crash the compiler but there's a finalizer ->destructor conversion thing
18:42:14	Yardanico	will need to think how to solve it hrm
18:43:04	Yardanico	nimyaml apparently has two procedures for making a new yaml lexer - one which takes a stream, and other which takes a string
18:43:21	Yardanico	and then it takes a pointer of that and makes a finalizer which (depending on the type) frees it with GC_unref
18:43:25	Yardanico	(well, there's GC_ref first too)
18:43:33	Yardanico	why though
18:45:47	reversem3	Why am I not finding prelude in this docs ? https://nim-lang.org/docs/theindex.html
18:45:59	Yardanico	because it's not a module which should be imported really
18:46:13	Yardanico	and it's not really documented
18:46:20	Yardanico	just "include prelude"
18:46:22	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/prelude.nim
18:46:29	FromDiscord	<krisppurg> just out of curiosity, what is multisync and what is template mostly used for?
18:46:48	Yardanico	multisync is when you want to define both sync/async version of your proc
18:46:51	Yardanico	and don't want to duplicate code
18:47:00	Yardanico	httpclient uses it so it doesn't have code duplication for sync/async
18:47:12	Yardanico	you usually have a generic type which has a different type depening on sync/async
18:47:15	Yardanico	e.g. sync socket vs async socket
18:47:22	FromDiscord	<krisppurg> o
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19:00:31	Yardanico	what will happen if you GC_unref a ref object of a wrong type?
19:00:50	disruptek	nothing.
19:00:54	Yardanico	e.g. it's "B = ref object", but you cast it to pointer and then cast back to A = ref object
19:01:00	Yardanico	and GC_unref it as A
19:01:06	Yardanico	disruptek: nothing as in memory leak or it'll work?
19:01:12	disruptek	it'll work.
19:01:30	disruptek	the rc is stored at the head, so the type is irrelevant afaik.
19:01:34	Yardanico	oh nice
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19:02:10	reversem3	prelude is nice , especially using inim to test
19:02:19	Yardanico	you can make your own prelude easily :)
19:02:25	reversem3	does nim have a help like python yet ? like help(os)
19:02:37	Yardanico	no, since it's not focused on interactive programming (at least not yet)
19:02:45	Yardanico	we have proper IDE support though :P
19:02:55	Yardanico	I mean we have go to definition or code completion
19:03:03	reversem3	I use neonim for everything
19:03:03	Yardanico	about including files - you can even do that with a config
19:03:14	Yardanico	e.g. if you have a folder with nim "scripts" and don't want to type "include file" in each
19:03:19	reversem3	neovim sorry
19:03:38	Yardanico	create nim.cfg and then put --include:pathtofile.nim
19:03:47	Yardanico	not sure how it'll resolve the path though
19:05:25	reversem3	hmm nim r foo.nim doesn't work for e
19:05:28	reversem3	* hmm nim r foo.nim doesn't work for me
19:05:38	Yardanico	I think it's not in stable yet
19:05:47	Yardanico	:)
19:05:55	Yardanico	it's a new feature so it wasn't backported
19:05:57	reversem3	ahh I will use devel then
19:06:23	reversem3	hmm not in devel either
19:06:30	Yardanico	it is in devel lol
19:06:35	Yardanico	until you're on ancient devel
19:06:40	Yardanico	:P
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19:07:01	Yardanico	yeah update devel with choosenim
19:07:06	Yardanico	it's a bit weird sometimes
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19:07:08	reversem3	ok
19:07:10	Yardanico	when dealing with devel
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19:11:54	reversem3	Waiting sucks when you want to play with stuff
19:12:03	Yardanico	waiting?
19:12:11	reversem3	building C sources
19:12:11	Yardanico	you mean compiling nim devel? :P
19:12:16	Yardanico	oh well I don't do that
19:12:24	reversem3	????
19:12:37	Yardanico	you don't need C sources when you already have nim really
19:12:42	Yardanico	I just use the nim repo manually
19:12:51	Yardanico	and to update "git pull" and "./koch boot -d:danger"
19:13:15	Yardanico	you need c sources for the initial bootstrap
19:13:34	reversem3	I'm just using choosenim to do it , but your right I could just do a git pull
19:14:24	reversem3	lol yep
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19:29:22	haxscramper	What is the possible reason for function decides to run at runtime even though I haven't done anything that could cause such behaviour? The function is very simple - constructor with one string parameter.
19:29:40	reversem3	Thats cool as hell nim r sample.nim
19:29:40	Yardanico	you mean it's being run even though you didn't call it?
19:29:54	Yardanico	you can easily debug this
19:29:58	Yardanico	do writeStackTrace() in the proc itself
19:30:06	Yardanico	and when the proc is called it'll print out the stack trace
19:30:09	reversem3	ok so I just need to switch off debug mode in the conf right ? then i won' t get all the compile output?
19:30:10	Yardanico	which led to the proc
19:30:18	haxscramper	No, I called it using `let a = funct()` and I can clearly see it's output /before/ compiler warnings etc.
19:30:33	Yardanico	well, maybe you called it in a static context?
19:31:44	haxscramper	No, no static context, nothing unusual. That's the problem - I don't have a slightest idea what could cause it to run at compile-time. There is no static, no macro/template or whatewher.
19:31:56	Yardanico	Can you share some code? sounds really weird
19:32:30	haxscramper	Ok, I will try and cut out whole chunk that reproduces the error
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19:43:18	haxscramper	I think I found the reason - I had `const alias = fff()` where `fff` used `ref` object - and `alias(...)` was executed at runtime. When I switched `fff` to work with regular object I haven't changed `const alias = ` to something else and this caused `alias(...)` to be executed at runtime. https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbj
19:44:08	Yardanico	huh, interesting
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19:45:59	Yardanico	disruptek: seems like you're wrong :P
19:46:14	Yardanico	I actually need to cast to the corresponding ref type to properly GC_unref it
19:46:20	Yardanico	otherwise I get a SIGSEGV
19:46:40	Yardanico	https://i.imgur.com/LSjmiLo.png this passes in nimyaml
19:46:43	Yardanico	and then sigsegv :)
19:46:57	disruptek	got a minimal repro?
19:47:07	Yardanico	for sigsegv or GC_unref ?
19:47:17	disruptek	the unref
19:47:20	Yardanico	lemme make one
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19:48:20	disruptek	are the two types vaguely similar?
19:48:25	Yardanico	no
19:48:27	disruptek	ie. objects, seqs, something.
19:48:29	alehander92	https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/245
19:48:31	disbot	➥ Early version of RFC: Pattern matching ? ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbl
19:48:33	alehander92	please commment
19:48:42	disruptek	oh, well seqs/strings/objects may have differing semantics.
19:48:59	disruptek	look at how it works in refs_v2.nim
19:50:20	Yardanico	actually seems like it works if I make a "ref object" type (empty)
19:50:23	Yardanico	and cast to it and unref
19:50:26	Yardanico	not sure if it leaks or not though
19:50:41	disruptek	no reason to think it won't leak.
19:50:50	Yardanico	thanks mr obvious :PP
19:51:10	disruptek	np
19:51:10	haxscramper	Compile-time call to `fff` generated value with some fields missing - e.g. 'case' field had non-default value but string one was missing. I failed to reproduce this one with simple example though - it works as I would've expected if I knew about this feature (e.g. value is generated at compile-time and passed to runtime where possible). https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbq
19:59:21	Yardanico	yay another ARC bug hunted
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20:01:56	Yardanico	lol we really don't have enough tests for arc :P
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20:06:16	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15052
20:06:34	Yardanico	maybe due to lent stuff again? :P
20:07:06	disruptek	you should propose some additions to important packages.
20:08:03	Yardanico	actually mitems for strings seems to be wrong?
20:08:22	Yardanico	ah no nvm
20:08:30	Yardanico	it's just expandArc output confusing me a bit
20:10:31	Yardanico	in compiled C it has
20:10:47	Yardanico	(in the loop) c = (&data.p->data[i]); and then (*c) = 97;
20:10:51	Yardanico	seems to be right for me?
20:12:43	Yardanico	actually gdb says it SIGSEGVs at (*c) = 97;
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20:17:29	Zevv	is data const?
20:17:34	Yardanico	yeah I thought the same
20:17:36	Yardanico	lemme try readLine
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20:17:42	Yardanico	so it's on the heap
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20:17:50	Zevv	valgrind
20:17:57	Yardanico	yeah it works with readLine
20:18:03	disruptek	i wish there was a way to disambiguate user events in selectors.
20:18:45	Yardanico	Zevv: static const NimStringV2 TM__R8RUzYq41iOx0I9bZH5Nyrw_3 = {5, (NimStrPayload*)&TM__R8RUzYq41iOx0I9bZH5Nyrw_2};
20:19:10	Yardanico	I guess compiler doesn't know it should allocate string on the heap to modify or something?
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20:20:56	Yardanico	why C compilers can't give a better error for this?
20:21:01	Yardanico	Zevv: valgrind doesn't say anything lol
20:21:20	haxscramper	I have `const val = ...` and when I execute function in static and regular contexts I get different results. Runtime version is missing all elements from sequence field but string fields are present.
20:21:36	Yardanico	haxscramper: yeah the compiletime -> runtime boundary is a bit broken in some cases
20:21:42	Yardanico	see https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13375
20:21:43	disbot	➥ Accessing compileTime variable at runtime returns zeroed data. ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2bba
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20:24:37	Yardanico	honestly I'm really surprised sometimes
20:24:41	Yardanico	how some complex libs work with arc just fine
20:24:47	Yardanico	but some seemingly simplest things can fail :P
20:25:19	haxscramper	`let a = constA` fixed everything.
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20:26:32	haxscramper	This hack requires at least 300IQ to execute properly and I've spent last 40 minutes adding echo everywhere trying to figure out if I'm just not assigning something properly.
20:26:50	disruptek	get four friends to help you.
20:27:17	disruptek	sorry, that was rude. it was just a joke.
20:27:57	haxscramper	No problem
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20:32:06	FromGitter	<bung87> alehander92 match to,match in , else ,thats looks good to me
20:32:39	disruptek	haxscramper: do you have a repro?
20:32:46	Yardanico	disruptek: check that issue
20:33:17	FromGitter	<bung87> maybe a extro match of
20:34:55	FromGitter	<bung87> I Dont like much punctuations
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20:45:55	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> Okay, I'm using Nim's JS backend, please do not question me why, instead ask me why not.↵↵How do i make it so certain variables are in `module.exports`?
20:46:00	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> It's for a NodeJS app
20:46:03	Yardanico	do it manually
20:46:31	Yardanico	like https://github.com/bung87/datetime_parse/blob/master/src/datetime_parse.nim#L262
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20:47:53	Yardanico	there's a draft PR for adding that support
20:49:15	Yardanico	ah, it's not a draft but still
20:49:15	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/13381
20:49:17	disbot	➥ jsgen improvements for ES module support, JS decorators etc ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbM
20:49:28	Yardanico	and sorry, it doesn't handle the module.exports
20:49:36	Yardanico	you can of course make a macro to ease its usage
20:49:50	Yardanico	but NodeJS is not a priority for Nim's JS backend
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21:09:28	shashlick	@leorize - you around?
21:10:59	leorize[m]	yes
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21:14:18	shashlick	looking at your nimble PR
21:14:34	shashlick	here's a thought - instead of processing .cfg and nims files in the project dir
21:14:41	shashlick	why not simply copy any we find into the cache dir
21:15:07	shashlick	will it still work or not really
21:15:12	shashlick	https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/pull/768
21:15:13	leorize	.nims will be the biggest problem
21:15:13	disbot	➥ nimscript{wrapper,api}: don't copy generated script to package directory
21:15:20	leorize	.cfg probably still work
21:15:32	leorize	but .nims contains too many side effects
21:15:45	shashlick	ok, then will just consider the nimconf method
21:16:09	shashlick	had another question though - why do you send and save nimbleFile to nimscriptapi
21:16:34	shashlick	you don't really use it for anything - https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/pull/768/files#diff-ebde39c224fff9573ba2baf830999f1cR56
21:16:35	disbot	➥ nimscript{wrapper,api}: don't copy generated script to package directory
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21:17:21	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> Araq: Haha, looks like my hack bote back
21:17:23	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> *bit
21:18:08	leorize	shashlick: that variable is a misnomer :P
21:18:37	Yardanico	@Clyybber btw https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/15052
21:18:39	disbot	➥ [ARC] Crash when modifying a string with mitems iterator ; snippet at 12https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbY
21:18:41	Yardanico	not sure how no one caught this :P
21:18:54	Yardanico	it's been here at least for a month
21:18:59	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> huh
21:19:19	shashlick	@leorize - what about line 52
21:19:19	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh probably because its only at toplevel
21:19:23	Yardanico	no
21:19:25	Yardanico	same when in proc
21:19:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh
21:19:41	leorize	shashlick: I passed some extra variables into the script
21:20:04	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> well then because it isn't too common in practice due to its suspectable usefulness :P
21:20:16	shashlick	right, I see the extra -p which is good but don't see what nimbleFile is for - seems like you had something in mind on the nim e side
21:21:14	leorize	shashlick: scriptFile is basically the .nims we generated and projectFile is the .nimble
21:21:40	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sbZ
21:21:48	leorize	getPkgDir() depends on where the projectFile
21:21:58	leorize	so I simply directed it to use the nimble file :P
21:22:03	leorize	the change is sneaky though :P
21:22:20	leorize	!eval import times; echo now()
21:22:24	NimBot	2020-07-23T21:22:23+00:00
21:22:25	Yardanico	@çaingue well, first of all, why do you subtract an empty DateTime() ?
21:22:32	leorize	!eval import times; echo now().date
21:22:34	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 25) Error: undeclared field: 'date' for type times.DateTime [declared in /playground/nim/lib/pure/times.nim(312, 3)]
21:22:40	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> ah sorry
21:22:40	Yardanico	for example, to determine my age you can do
21:22:51	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> i mean it's a proper DateTime in my case 🙂
21:24:08	Yardanico	!eval import times; let age = (now() - initDateTime(17, mApr, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0, utc())); echo age.years
21:24:10	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 92) Error: type mismatch: got <Duration>
21:24:12	Yardanico	shoot
21:24:26	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> yes that's it
21:24:34	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> it give me a Duration
21:24:48	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> and i suppose i need a TimeInterval
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21:25:55	leorize	`Duration.inDays()` will give you the number of days
21:26:05	leorize	you can then `div 365` to get years
21:26:10	Yardanico	yeah
21:26:44	Yardanico	import times; let age = (now() - initDateTime(17, mApr, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0, utc())); echo "I'm already ", age.inDays() div 365, " years old, how?!"
21:26:47	Yardanico	!eval import times; let age = (now() - initDateTime(17, mApr, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0, utc())); echo "I'm already ", age.inDays() div 365, " years old, how?!"
21:26:50	NimBot	I'm already 20 years old, how?!
21:27:27	shashlick	@leorize - i see what you are saying
21:27:28	leorize	we don't have `inYears()` since not all years have the same number of days I think
21:27:29	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> @Yardanico something weird happened in the <#707912794246217758> channel, and i pinged shucks from the forums, but not in <#725987465856548919>
21:27:37	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> that's it
21:27:40	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> ??? @Recruit_main707
21:27:53	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> there's nothing weird really
21:27:58	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> div 356 is not accurate
21:27:58	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> it's just how ircord works
21:28:05	leorize	Yardanico: is that your birthday? :P
21:28:05	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> there's no ircord in <#725987465856548919>
21:28:07	ForumUpdaterBot	New thread by Sschwarzer: What code is affected by runtime check pragmas?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6585
21:28:14	Yardanico	yes leorize
21:28:27	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> because of leap years
21:28:38	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> Ok, just in case it was unkown
21:28:40	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> @Yardanico happy bd \o/
21:28:41	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> @çaingue lainglin https://nim-lang.org/docs/times.html#countYears%2Cint
21:28:47	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> @Clyybber wat, not today? 😄
21:28:47	leorize	deprecated though
21:28:52	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> it's 17.04
21:28:52	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> oh
21:28:59	FromDiscord	<Clyybber> haha
21:29:00	Yardanico	ah right deprecated
21:29:09	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> Intention is what matters :p
21:29:24	FromDiscord	<Yardanico> well there's a way to make it 100% correct
21:30:09	leorize	use `between()`
21:30:30	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> !!!
21:30:32	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> yess
21:30:56	leorize	!eval import times; let age = between(now(), initDateTime(17, mApr, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0, utc())).years; echo "I'm already ", age.inDays() div 365, " years old, how?!"
21:30:59	NimBot	Compile failed: /usercode/in.nim(1, 120) Error: type mismatch: got <int>
21:31:10	leorize	!eval import times; let age = between(now(), initDateTime(17, mApr, 2000, 0, 0, 0, 0, utc())).years; echo "I'm already ", age, " years old, how?!"
21:31:12	Yardanico	hehe
21:31:14	NimBot	I'm already -20 years old, how?!
21:31:18	alehander92	bung87
21:31:20	leorize	oh lol
21:31:21	Yardanico	-20 lol
21:31:21	alehander92	thanks
21:31:29	Yardanico	when time machine broke
21:31:37	alehander92	but it seems Araq likes case macros and they might fit better
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21:31:57	alehander92	so case / match : i dont mind too much
21:32:19	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> perfect
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21:34:18	audiophile_	hi
21:34:20	audiophile_	whats new in nim
21:34:48	Yardanico	well it's easy to check
21:34:53	Yardanico	just see merged PRs
21:35:39	Yardanico	https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Amerged+sort%3Aupdated-desc+
21:37:00	audiophile_	ty
21:37:11	audiophile_	wow it is very active
21:37:11	Yardanico	or be like me and watch nim repo :p
21:37:14	Yardanico	and read all new notifications
21:37:42	audiophile_	I did but inbox overflow xD
21:37:59	FromDiscord	<XeroOl> is there a good way to get the type of a variable at compile time?
21:38:08	Yardanico	typeof
21:38:19	Yardanico	!eval echo typeof(1+1)
21:38:22	NimBot	int
21:38:39	FromDiscord	<XeroOl> is there a way for me to see it without running the code?
21:38:51	Yardanico	use an IDE with nimsuggest support?
21:38:56	Yardanico	or with LSP support and nimlsp
21:39:05	FromDiscord	<XeroOl> I'm not sure how to check
21:39:13	Yardanico	in vscode just hover over a variable
21:39:17	Yardanico	but it won't work in "let a = 5"
21:39:21	Yardanico	only when you use "a" later
21:40:03	Yardanico	https://i.imgur.com/r41wwiy.png
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21:40:51	FromDiscord	<XeroOl> I'm using atom with the `nim` extension
21:40:57	FromDiscord	<XeroOl> it says that it uses nimsuggest
21:41:00	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> (is there vim support for nimsuggest ?)
21:41:03	Yardanico	then it should support that
21:41:08	Yardanico	@çaingue - neovim - yes
21:41:23	Yardanico	https://github.com/alaviss/nim.nvim idk if you can use that in vim
21:41:45	Yardanico	@XeroOl well I don't know, I've never used Atom for Nim
21:41:50	Yardanico	it should show the types just like vscode did
21:41:54	Yardanico	nimsuggest gives that information
21:42:07	Yardanico	maybe you can somehow configure a custom LSP client? then you could use nimlsp
21:42:17	Yardanico	https://github.com/PMunch/nimlsp
21:42:33	FromDiscord	<çaingue lainglin> i am not sure neovim plugins are vim compatible , but will give it a try 🙂
21:42:40	Yardanico	just switch to neovim :)
21:53:51	FromDiscord	<Varriount> Does NimLSP still write the dirty file out to disk so that Nimsuggest can use it?
21:54:10	Yardanico	idk
22:00:36	Araq	Varriount: I hope so. showed you many times you can do thousands of times per second without noticing
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22:17:28	FromDiscord	<Admin> Hi everyone
22:17:51	FromDiscord	<Admin> Just want to say I'm loving nim so far
22:18:25	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Nice
22:18:30	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> It's a good language
22:18:43	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> *We totally arent biased here*
22:19:23	FromDiscord	<Admin> I was wondering if it was possible to changing tls settings for https requests
22:20:12	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> when you make a httpclient you can change the sslContext
22:20:23	FromDiscord	<Admin> Like tls version, ciphers, extensions, elliptic curves ...
22:20:28	Yardanico	yes, exactly
22:20:31	Yardanico	sslContext can be used for that
22:20:53	Yardanico	see https://nim-lang.org/docs/net.html#newContext%2Cstring%2Cstring%2Cstring%2Cstring%2Cstring
22:20:59	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Damn beat me yard
22:21:07	Yardanico	you can then provide it in "sslContext" argument in https://nim-lang.org/docs/httpclient.html#newHttpClient%2Cint%2CProxy
22:22:25	FromDiscord	<Admin> Ok thank you
22:23:32	FromDiscord	<Admin> I dont see the options for extensions
22:27:49	FromDiscord	<Admin> https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-extensiontype-values/tls-extensiontype-values.xhtml
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22:35:49	FromGitter	<bung87> is there better way ? when shared lib installed like `const mozjpeg = "/usr/local/opt/mozjpeg/lib/libjpeg.dylib"`
22:35:57	Yardanico	it's probably in PATH, no?
22:36:27	FromGitter	<bung87> no, brew will suggest me to export something ,but I dont
22:36:39	Yardanico	then you have to do that, yes
22:36:55	Yardanico	i mean either provide full path or add it to PATH
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22:37:17	FromGitter	<bung87> but still has problem, you see the name "libjpeg.dylib"
22:37:49	FromGitter	<bung87> user could install both version
22:38:13	Yardanico	well .so libraries usually export the version
22:38:18	Yardanico	so you can use dynlib module directly
22:39:20	FromGitter	<bung87> oh ,yeah I have `libjpeg.8.dylib `
22:39:31	Yardanico	no, I didn't mean that
22:39:44	Yardanico	libraries usually export symbols (functions) with which you can get the version, etc
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22:41:50	FromGitter	<bung87> I tried import import dylib and get symbol, I tried to get the version in static: block, it gives me the emulator cant handle ty...
22:43:05	FromGitter	<bung87> I have `passc:"-DJPEG_LIB_VERSION=80 -DBITS_IN_JSAMPLE=8"` actually need this, otherwise I just write some instruction into readme.
22:47:50	FromGitter	<bung87> well , am not sure there's `JPEG_LIB_VERSION` after compiled
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23:14:51	FromGitter	<bung87> almost done https://github.com/bung87/web_preprocessor
23:22:45	FromDiscord	<Admin> how would i make default values for an object ?
23:22:59	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> Is it possible to make Inim use the JS backend?
23:23:24	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> Wasn’t Inim a vm?
23:23:24	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> Just so i can quickly test things
23:23:36	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> Not really sure-
23:23:47	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> !repo inim
23:23:48	disbot	https://github.com/inim-repl/INim -- 9INim: 11Interactive Nim Shell / REPL / Playground 15 320⭐ 19🍴
23:23:57	FromDiscord	<Technisha Circuit (LGBTQIAP+)> A repl/shell
23:24:34	FromDiscord	<Recruit_main707> > how would i make default values for an object ?↵@Admin you would create a constructor function, and set them from within there
23:25:42	FromDiscord	<Admin> aha ok thanks
23:26:17	FromDiscord	<Admin> and how would i exit the process
23:26:58	FromGitter	<bung87> alehander92 I think match fit the semantics, but if it named as case maybe go to std
23:28:15	FromGitter	<bung87> Technisha Circuit , yeah you can write a nodejs program and then request to https://play.nim-lang.org/ get results , print to users
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23:49:35	Prestige	I'm looking to create a wrapper for x11/Xproto.h, but have hit a snag...The variables in Xproto.h match function names (with an added underscore) that exist in x11/xlib.h - not sure how I should get around this
23:50:09	Prestige	e.g. XSetInputFocus and X_SetInputFocus
23:50:22	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> you can do XProtoSetInputFocus
23:50:27	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> (edit) 'XProtoSetInputFocus' => 'xProtoSetInputFocus'
23:50:33	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> then use the importc parameter to specfy the name
23:51:51	Prestige	Yeah, just slightly annoying to have to change the name used in C but I guess it isn't that big of a deal
23:54:41	FromDiscord	<Admin> sorry to interput but how would i convert json object (currently using getFields) to httpheaders
23:54:52	Yardanico	wdym "convert"
23:54:58	FromDiscord	<Admin> (edit) 'sorry to interput but how would i convert json object (currently using getFields) to httpheaders ... ' => 'sorry to interput but how would i convert json object (currently using getFields) to httpheaders(which i will use in newHttpHeaders)'
23:54:59	Yardanico	in what type of representation?
23:55:05	FromDiscord	<Admin> well i literally just want to pass it there
23:55:09	Yardanico	??
23:55:12	Yardanico	just key: value or what?
23:55:28	FromDiscord	<Admin> yes i will be passing headers in json format as process argument
23:55:42	FromDiscord	<Admin> then i just want to parseJson the argument and pass to newHttpHeaders
23:55:56	Yardanico	one sec
23:56:37	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> Prestige you could share name but when importing change it
23:56:42	FromDiscord	<Elegant Beef> But yea i dont know of any other way
23:56:48	Yardanico	@Admin well the way you're currently doing it is totally fine I think
23:56:48	FromDiscord	<Admin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2sci
23:56:57	Yardanico	yeah that won't work
23:57:13	FromDiscord	<Admin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2scj
23:57:15	Yardanico	you want as little lines of code as possible? :D
23:57:22	FromDiscord	<Admin> yes sir
23:57:25	Yardanico	lol ok
23:57:26	FromDiscord	<Admin> i know the format will be correct
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23:59:28	Yardanico	you need sequtils and tables (and json too of course)
23:59:41	Yardanico	let f = toSeq(data.getFields().pairs()).mapIt((it[0], it[1].getStr()))
23:59:52	Yardanico	but I wouldn't write like that myself honestly :P