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00:36:43FromDiscord<millymox> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HaH
00:45:57FromDiscord<leorize_alt> do it the same way as JS, make it take an object
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01:16:12FromDiscord<millymox> In reply to @leorize_alt "do it the same": Can you give an example please?
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02:24:53NimEventerNew thread by mig: [help] Nim JIT + REPL with clang backend + -emit-llvm + LLVM's ORCv2, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10511
03:07:54FromDiscord<grumblygibson> In reply to @millymox "Anyone know how i": In the Nim proc or the imports Pragma?
03:08:05FromDiscord<grumblygibson> (edit) "imports" => "importjs"
03:15:59FromDiscord<millymox> In reply to @grumblygibson "In the Nim proc": Both honestly
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05:32:20FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hbr
05:35:15FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> When you have a LOT of paramenters, that pattern becomes something like this↵https://github.com/heysokam/confy/blob/fb33377132eda19ab90f3099c05cebd4cd7d829b/src/confy/obj.nim#L17-L41↵Which is not the best, but.. waay better to mentally parse than single line or a couple of long lines
05:35:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "paramenters," => "parameters,"
05:36:03FromDiscord<huantian> just don't copy sokam's whitespace
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06:04:23FromDiscord<millymox> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HbA
06:04:30FromDiscord<millymox> Definitely a lot easier than a single line
06:04:33FromDiscord<millymox> Lmao
06:04:42FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @huantian "just don't copy sokam's": xd
06:05:20FromDiscord<odexine> just you wait for my formatter :baqua:
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06:06:09FromDiscord<millymox> In reply to @huantian "just don't copy sokam's": 😭
06:06:46FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @odexine "just you wait for": wait are you actually making a nim formatter?
06:06:50FromDiscord<odexine> yes
06:06:55FromDiscord<huantian> I've been meming about that with beef for forever
06:07:13FromDiscord<odexine> im still in the "experimenting with things" phase
06:07:30FromDiscord<odexine> not sure what i'm gonna do about parsing the code, but i already have the formatting component on the way
06:10:18FromDiscord<huantian> custom Nim CST parser!
06:10:56FromDiscord<odexine> see i was thinking about that but that's fragile
06:11:08FromDiscord<odexine> i'd prolly need to adopt the nim test suite to test things had i done that
06:11:13FromDiscord<odexine> rather, if i do that
06:12:09FromDiscord<huantian> did you have any other ideas then?
06:13:34FromDiscord<odexine> not really
06:14:14FromDiscord<odexine> perhaps i will have to write the parser from scratch, and if ever maybe it could be used officially if it becomes good enough, but first i'd have to isolate which test cases test the parsing and lexing in nim
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06:16:04FromDiscord<millymox> In reply to @huantian "wait are you actually": Extension like for vscode?
06:19:38FromDiscord<odexine> no
06:19:51FromDiscord<millymox> Oh
06:20:00FromDiscord<millymox> https://tenor.com/view/crying-meme-black-guy-cries-sad-man-thank-god-for-my-reefer-hood-news-gif-24902056
06:39:17FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @odexine "perhaps i will have": one idea would be to aim toward an official cst in the compiler, which is used to make the current ast
06:39:24FromDiscord<huantian> but that feels quite farfetched of an idea
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07:42:23FromDiscord<odexine> @huantian do you have any documentation on how CSTs should be designed
07:46:51FromDiscord<mrgaturus> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HbM
07:47:10FromDiscord<mrgaturus> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HbM" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HbN"
07:52:58FromDiscord<JJ> oh @odexine have you considered binding to alaviss's grammar for parsing
07:53:43FromDiscord<JJ> i think it's like. correct (except for unicode)
08:01:42FromDiscord<odexine> i have
08:01:59FromDiscord<odexine> still worried about correctness nonetheless
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09:07:05FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hc8
09:08:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doesnt make much sense as you've just recreated `ptr T`
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11:21:25FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HcZ
11:22:39FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> If yes, it might kill performances
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11:42:40FromDiscord<demotomohiro> It probably isn't copied. You can read C source code to see if it is copied.
11:49:22FromDiscord<.aingel.> OOh what are you doing @System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet
11:49:25FromDiscord<.aingel.> Are you doing some audio stuff
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12:12:40FromDiscord<fowl.mouth> https://nim-lang.org/docs/destructors.html this is pretty cool, I need to get back into Nim
12:14:29FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hde
12:19:17FromDiscord<fowl.mouth> In reply to @xtrayambak "Why does this code": Are your trying to open a Unix socket or network socket
12:19:37FromDiscord<xtrayambak> A UNIX socket, I'm mostly copying somebody else's Python code here.
12:19:54FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I want to read some data off of a UNIX socket path
12:21:54FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Are you using windows?
12:22:27FromDiscord<fowl.mouth> The error says your system doesn’t support it. I would check the man pages for the underlying function for more info
12:22:42FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @demotomohiro "Are you using windows?": Nope, I use Linux.
12:23:03FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I'm pretty sure the documentation says you can't use AF_UNIX on a non-Unix compliant machine
12:23:08FromDiscord<xtrayambak> OS
12:23:51FromDiscord<odexine> use IPPROTO_IP instead of IPPROTO_TCP i assume would be the fix?
12:24:12FromDiscord<odexine> ~~technically linux is not unix compliant~~
12:24:50FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Yeah, but Posix is mostly compatible with Unix afaik
12:25:19FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @odexine "use IPPROTO_IP instead of": Aaaah, this worked.
12:25:20FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Thanks!
12:25:25FromDiscord<xtrayambak> The manpages are pretty vague.
12:25:35FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Or perhaps I should download the full manpages
12:26:59FromDiscord<odexine> i'm not sure why it works
12:27:04FromDiscord<odexine> i just found it as a solution
12:27:20FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @.aingel. "Are you doing some": Yeah, a modular wavetable synth
12:27:36FromDiscord<odexine> i mean i understadn that obviously unix domain sockets dont use tcp
12:31:01FromDiscord<odexine> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3320
12:31:07FromDiscord<odexine> great xd
12:33:40FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> Is there a data serializer except `JSONY` that works both on `JS` and `C` backends? ↵↵I hate that JSON cannot store something other that `string` as key for Object
12:34:52FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> also JSONY does not work well on `JS` backend
12:35:42FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> I really appreciate `edn` format for Clojure
12:35:48FromDiscord<odexine> json object keys are standardised to only allow strings as keys
12:36:33FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @hamidb80 "Is there a data": There's a good reason as to why JSON can only store a key as string. It's generally faster and it's easier to traverse and manipulate the data like that, but if you really want objects, assign each one an ID, and use that ID as the key, and simultaneously keep a track of the objects.
12:36:38FromDiscord<xtrayambak> But that's just asking for trouble
12:36:48FromDiscord<xtrayambak> If you want something like that, you're better of using protobuf
12:36:54FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Or something along the lines of that
12:38:38FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Or, alternatively, use `std/marshal` if you want an easy way to represent objects as strings.
12:38:59FromDiscord<odexine> marshal i believe is somewhat unsafe for serialisation
12:39:12FromDiscord<odexine> be sure to trust the source, i think
12:39:33FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I think that was just Python's pickle and doesn't carry over to marshal.
12:39:53FromDiscord<xtrayambak> If it did, it'd be really irresponsible to not warn the programmer about that since there's no warning about RCE in the docs.
12:40:01FromDiscord<odexine> i believe python also has a marshal
12:40:08FromDiscord<odexine> yes
12:40:11FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Yeah, but Nim uses a different approach
12:40:12FromDiscord<odexine> it is a mixup
12:40:13FromDiscord<odexine> https://docs.python.org/3/library/marshal.html
12:40:22FromDiscord<xtrayambak> `std/marshal` represents objects as JSON
12:40:34FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Pickle and marshal use their own custom binary format afaik
12:40:36FromDiscord<odexine> i still think it is potentially dangerous as the type is not serialised
12:41:35FromDiscord<odexine> it may have some limitations as well, i am not sure if it can handle object variants
12:43:06FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> @.aingel. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1155122165339922440/image.png
12:43:11FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> I looked at protobuf and I think JSONY is the best option 😕
12:43:27FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> In reply to @sys64 "<@1152336447467163790>": wow
12:43:59FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> This tool is very powerful for sampling!
12:44:16FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Looks cool!
12:44:22FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Thnkq!
12:44:29FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> (edit) "Thnkq!" => "Thanks!"
12:44:49FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @hamidb80 "I looked at protobuf": why so?
12:47:04FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Protobuf is very complicated
12:47:20FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I had the displeasure of using it once. Never again. Never ever again.
12:47:29FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @demotomohiro "It probably isn't copied.": > Arrays are value types, like any other Nim type. The assignment operator copies the whole array contents.↵So I think the array is copied
12:47:57FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> In reply to @xtrayambak "Protobuf is very complicated": yeah feel the same :/
12:49:08FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I was really bored recently as some of my projects are showing vague gcc errors (apparently it's being fixed), and I'm writing a wrapper for the Hyprland IPC in Nim just for fun.
12:49:20FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I might add macros to make writing a config in Nim a breeze.
12:49:34FromDiscord<xtrayambak> (and hence the UNIX socket path tomfooleries)
12:50:10FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @xtrayambak "I was really bored": oh hey i was considering that too
12:50:14FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @sys64 "> Arrays are value": When you do `x = y` and both x and y are value type, they are copied. But it doesn't mean value types are passed by copy to procedures.
12:50:59FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @demotomohiro "When you do `x": Oh alright
12:52:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> ``calculatorModule.nim(81, 23) Error: 'moduleList' is of type <var array[0..255, SynthModule]> which cannot be captured as it would violate memory safety`` OOF
12:53:31FromDiscord<xtrayambak> When I try to compile said project, it gives some vague error about "target specific option mismatch"
12:54:00FromDiscord<xtrayambak> It seems to happen when compiling `parsexml`
12:54:44FromDiscord<xtrayambak> https://pastebin.com/mbicrNsd
12:55:23FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @sys64 "``calculatorModule.nim(81, 23) Error: 'moduleList'": no var inside async
12:55:32FromDiscord<odexine> or thread functions
12:55:47FromDiscord<odexine> (not sure about the thread one but im sure of async)
12:55:50FromDiscord<odexine> not sure which you're using
12:56:57FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @odexine "not sure which you're": Thread
12:57:38FromDiscord<odexine> if you want to modify things use channels to send updates across threads, or guard with locks
13:00:02FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Oh alright, good to know
13:00:29FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Ayyy, I got some basic Hyprland IPC working
13:00:35FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I can send reload commands
13:04:55FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I'm still wondering if I should raise a defect when a command fails or just use a status+error tuple
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13:47:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> How would an event system function across threads hm...
13:48:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Anyway
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13:49:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Anyone experimented with async across threads by setting the dispatcher to the one in the original thread?
13:56:33FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "How would an event": easy - handlers with {.gcsafe.} and store pointers to function, when post - cast to proc
13:56:39FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> but for async idk
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13:59:31FromDiscord<amjadhd> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/ABhZG
13:59:32FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "easy - handlers with": But wouldn't that run a function registered from another thread, inside the main thread (where the event system is running)? Or by handler do you mean something that's checking for any new events any time it's ran?
14:02:28FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "But wouldn't that run": actually, it will depend on where fire is called. the approach I described simply makes it possible to register from different threads and safely execute the code. ↵as for having the thread that registered the code execute it: will it be worth it at all? the cost of a local event loop, etc...
14:06:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah probably not oof
14:06:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> My event system does support async event firing too which is nice
14:08:06FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "My event system does": maybe add option for non-blocking async? for just message passing
14:09:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> My code already does that, doesn't wait for the response aha
14:09:57FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I think you've starred the repo actually, https://github.com/Nimberite-Development/Trigger-Nim
14:10:05FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> fire proc wait response, asyncFire - ye
14:10:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah aha
14:11:12FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I think you've starred": aha ye https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1155144335487156244/image.png
14:12:36FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I really need an application where I actually use this ngl :p
14:25:36NimEventerNew Nimble package! getprime - Generate random prime numbers, and do prime number tests. Note: don't support prime numbers larger than approximately 3037000499 (sqrt(int.high))., see https://github.com/xjzh123/getprime
14:27:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> The primes are hardcoded?
14:29:09FromDiscord<.aingel.> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "The primes are hardcoded?": I doubt it?
14:38:21FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I really need an": your modernnet repo is minecraft protocol?
14:38:34FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> if so, only one protocol supported?
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14:49:59FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "your modernnet repo is": Only for parsing the packet and sending your own data currently yeah
14:50:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "if so, only one": You can use it for multiple different MC versions actually, for all the modern MC versions
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14:55:42FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "You *can* use it": thanks. in fact, I've been looking in that direction for a long time, and was using the wrong approach, it turns out
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14:56:39FromDiscord<millymox> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4He0
14:59:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's 1.14+, don't think earlier would work, and anything earlier than 1.12 definitely won't work tho
15:00:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "thanks. in fact, I've": It's fine aha, if you need any help I'm down for it
15:00:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Been wanting to make an MC thing but kept messing up tbh
15:11:31FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "It's 1.14+, don't think": sounds sadly
15:11:49FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> because i want make implementation for 1.7.10 version
15:13:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "because i want make": I could see if I could implement the packet parsing for it if you want? I think a good part of the code should still work but some parts may not
15:18:54FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @odexine "<@300050030923087872> do you have": Nah I don’t know of any off the top of my head
15:19:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh wait @griffith1deadly it looks like 1.7 also uses a similar packet format so you should be fine actually
15:19:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Just make sure you use wiki.vg to look for any differences more in-depth
15:19:48FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @huantian "Nah I don’t know": seems like its prolly my best bet to use leorize's treesitter
15:19:52FromDiscord<odexine> (edit) "In reply to @huantian "Nah I don’t know": seems like its prolly my best bet to use leorize's treesitter ... " added "syntax"
15:20:08FromDiscord<odexine> in which case i do not need to design the CST because its already there
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15:26:26FromDiscord<huantian> Oh yeah the treesitter stuff exists
15:27:18FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Oh wait <@620135501201932300> it": i will check it
15:27:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Good luck!
15:28:02FromDiscord<huantian> Are you doing a code -> cst -> code kinda thing
15:36:50FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @huantian "Are you doing a": me? or who
15:37:47NimEventerNew thread by Millymox: Making function params optional when wrapping a JS library?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10512
15:40:13FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @odexine "me? or who": You
15:40:32FromDiscord<odexine> In reply to @huantian "Are you doing a": the formatter..
15:40:35FromDiscord<odexine> didnt we just
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16:01:30FromDiscord<huantian> Yeah
16:01:46FromDiscord<huantian> Just asking if that would be the general idea for it
16:02:18FromDiscord<odexine> yes
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16:32:14FromDiscord<.aingel.> Is it sort of an alright practice to make your own local nimble library with a bunch of utility functions that you use and source it in all your projects?
16:32:41FromDiscord<.aingel.> Furthermore would it be alright to actually publish this library if you think that it could possibly be of benefit to other people? Idk
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16:34:06FromDiscord<odexine> status does that with `stew` no?
16:36:44FromDiscord<raynei486> In reply to @.aingel. "Is it sort of": writing general utility functions (rolling your own standard library) is a pretty common exercise (and a good one)
16:37:23FromDiscord<raynei486> learn API design and on whatever topic you're implementing
16:41:56FromDiscord<.aingel.> In reply to @raynei486 "writing general utility functions": Gotcha
16:41:59FromDiscord<.aingel.> `Option(seq[string])`
16:42:03FromDiscord<.aingel.> Is this not possible?
16:42:12FromDiscord<.aingel.> Do I have to make another type for seq[string] or something?
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17:25:51FromDiscord<millymox> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HeR
17:26:06FromDiscord<millymox> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HeR" => "https://paste.rs/l67ri"
17:35:34FromDiscord<odexine> you dont use newJsObject like that
17:36:05FromDiscord<millymox> How do i use it?
17:36:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> @griffith1deadly oh also if you do wrap the packets and such for 1.7, please submit a PR? 👀
17:36:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It'd be nice to be able to have a collection of packets wrapped in Nim honestly
17:38:15FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "<@620135501201932300> oh also if": sure
17:38:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> :D
17:38:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I should really start wrapping the newer MC versions honestly
17:39:14FromDiscord<odexine> apparently?
17:39:14FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "It'd be nice to": are you planning make object interitance event system in nim? (one event system for all types)
17:39:15FromDiscord<odexine> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HeW
17:40:25FromDiscord<juancarlospaco> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HeX
17:40:39FromDiscord<odexine> https://nim-lang.org/docs/jsffi.html#js we'd prolly be both right
17:42:41FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "are you planning make": I don't think I understand?
17:43:28FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah I just don't understand aha
17:44:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Do you mean something kind of like how JS does it?
17:45:05FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I don't think I": like jvm MinecraftForge event system ↵event system just for Event type, but you can pass any object like MyEvent = object of Event↵i know, it harder todo in nim, but useful
17:51:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "like jvm MinecraftForge event": Ah that's actually totally possible
17:51:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'd have to do a bit of generic abuse tho if I wanted to make it so people can register their own custom events
17:52:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It won't be something in trigger but
17:52:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "like jvm MinecraftForge event": Though I wonder what would this fill that Trigger doesn't?
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17:59:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Actually I think this can be done with the current system
17:59:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You literally just need to make a custom type and stuff
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18:00:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll see if I can make a code example in a sec
18:07:05FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4Hf7
18:31:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @griffith1deadly "if it is possible,": Generics can get around this actually
18:31:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Tho after some thinking, Trigger would need slight modifications to do what you want
18:34:08FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Tho after some thinking,": if you're happy with everything in your library, i don't think you need to do it 🙂↵i just suggested a use case for this, for myself personally i have already written a system similar to Godot's signals (i could share in dm's if needed)
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18:38:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Eh it's actually no skin off my back, the modifications are just a when statement and removing `R: tuple` so that any type could be passed
18:45:54FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://pastebin.com/N4pA1bWX this is... insane console spam
18:47:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also wow I encountered something a bit odd
18:55:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I uh... apparently also made the playground kill my code despite it compiling for me...?
18:55:50FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfe
18:56:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Don't know what I fucked up ip that badly
18:58:56FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I uh... apparently also": for picked version of nim 1.6.14 it work, if remove default values
18:59:10FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit) "In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I uh... apparently also": for picked version of nim 1.6.14 it work, if remove default values ... " added "(on playground)"
18:59:44FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit) "playground)" => "playground)↵https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfg"
19:00:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Okay well I ported the code to work in Nim 1.16.4 (removed the assignments in object declaration but) here's the actual issue
19:00:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah yeah lol
19:00:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But yeah it gives that issue
19:01:03FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> for me work good (?) https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1155217279689166931/image.png
19:01:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It shouldn't be giving an out of bounds message
19:01:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hold on
19:04:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfi this is what happened before
19:05:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> The only differences between the encode is me removing `R: tuple` and making it just be `R`, as well as adding `when R is tuple` statements
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19:06:05FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "The only differences between": haha funny
19:06:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah, I was trying to make the lib slightly more flexible :p
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19:23:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I uh, am so confused
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20:13:00FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfp
20:13:20FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfp" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hfq"
20:15:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not sure tbh
20:16:53FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Okay I think I need to make a slightly different event system to do the events like how Forge does them oof
20:17:07FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Modifying the existing one just won't work as needed
20:18:09FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Modifying the existing one": yeah, that's what i was gonna say
20:18:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Though I'm not sure about how event firing would work
20:18:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's doable but in a weird way?
20:19:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hold on I'll make an example rn actually
20:19:50FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> in jvm it very easy, because you can storing types in runtime storages
20:20:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah
20:20:53FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But here I mostly want to avoid runtime stuff because it can be done and would definitely work better for things like C interop (which is fairly important for me, if I make it so plugins can register events)
20:22:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Tho oof this would mean I couldn't do a queue for example
20:23:01FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Is it worth the trade-off... hm
20:23:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> We'll see ig
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20:48:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Generics just compile down into multiple procs, right?
20:50:13FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4HfA
20:51:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Beef you'd know right? You do a lot of macro fuckery
20:58:29FromDiscord<voidwalker> My knowledge is that it will compile only the instances that are called in the code, no ?
21:00:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah, just wondering if I did use it in the code if that's how it'd work
21:01:03FromDiscord<voidwalker> pretty much, generics is just a way to not repeat code yourself.. the compiler does : )
21:02:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Gucci
21:02:56FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But it makes me wonder if I could add them both a list (if they weren't generics)
21:03:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> And then the type was a generic
21:03:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I can't explain words great, let me make an example
21:03:45FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah okay nvm I can't even do that
21:03:49FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It's difficult to structure
21:03:57FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Maybe using methods would just be much better sigh...
21:04:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Are methods really bad for memory or are they mostly alright?
21:04:36FromDiscord<voidwalker> No idea. Haven't gotten to the methods chapter yet : ( Can't really tell where they're good
21:05:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair, they're supposed to be good for dynamic dispatch for one
21:05:52FromDiscord<voidwalker> `In computer science, dynamic dispatch is the process of selecting which implementation of a polymorphic operation (method or function) to call at run time.`
21:06:00FromDiscord<voidwalker> Oh, so it's used with inherited object types only ?
21:06:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> :shrug;
21:06:59FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> 🤷‍♀️
21:11:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Okay so idk how to really handle events that use methods :p
21:11:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> @griffith1deadly clueless on how I'd implement a Forge-like event handler honestly
21:11:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Sorry
21:12:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When you call it yes↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
21:13:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also there is no macro here 😛
21:16:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you need dynamic dispatch they're pretty much the best you can do in Nim
21:20:10FromDiscord<Langosta> Quick question: is the [T: A] before the parameters a cast?
21:21:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
21:21:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a generic constrained to a specific typeclass
21:21:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In this case 'Any type that inherits from A'
21:25:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "When you call it": Still AST related so-
21:26:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Basically rn I'm trying to figure out how I should structure an event system that calls methods that use an object with a specific parameter
21:26:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I might need a macro for it but that's not great for exposing it to C (which I need for WASM/other language interop)
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22:00:52FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Basically rn I'm trying": do you need the end-user of that object to create extended types with their own separate functions for processing that should not take your current code?↵if the answer is no, object variants are almost always cleaner to read/write (only slightly more involved because of the cases)↵the difference is you decide the behavior at compiletime with object variants, or at runtime w
22:01:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> The answer is yes rip
22:02:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Idea is to make it so you inherit from a specific type, and can register event handlers for it, but that's a bit hard really
22:05:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> @sOkam! 🫐 you have any ideas for how I'd implement it or nah?
22:06:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> It might be possible with generics since they'll all inherit from one type
22:06:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But I'm just wondering how would I even dispatch the event
22:08:55FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Idea is to make": but what i mean is do they need to have their own fields stored in there mandatory... and have procedures that apply to the type itself (not the callback vtable)?
22:09:45FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg0
22:11:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "<@186489007247589376> you have any": i don't know if I understand the usecase enough to give ideas 😔
22:11:57FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "but what i mean": Yeah they need their own fields
22:12:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "i don't know if": Okay so how this would ideally work (with a pseudocode example) is:
22:14:17FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Yeah they need their": that means the would also be able to override your entire library of predeclared methods↵thats basically the only thing you gain, other than `variable.events.field` vs `variable.field`
22:15:14FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if you want the same as virtual methods, then yeah inheritance is the only way
22:15:28FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Those would be the types
22:15:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg1
22:15:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well runtime interfaces are an alternative but that relies on implementing runtime interfaces 😄
22:15:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wait
22:15:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg1" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg2"
22:16:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg2" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg3"
22:16:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That's how I'd like the datatypes to look tbh
22:16:59FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> and what does the user do with them?
22:17:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'm trying to figure out the syntax for that aha
22:18:16FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg4
22:18:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That's how they'd be registered I think
22:18:35FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> so far all of that is doable with variants
22:18:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not sure how I'd even structure an EventHandler type for this tho
22:18:57FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if you need internally different types of player dead events, and different types of chat events
22:18:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "so far all of": Yeah, that's my idea, it's just... very hard to output usable code for it :p
22:19:21FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Yeah, that's my idea,": then the problem is that you lack good understanding of the task
22:19:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> ChatEvent and PlayerDeathEvent would be defined by the user themselves
22:19:32FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> hard to output code means the task is not well understood
22:19:48FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> otherwise it would just be easy but tedious (variants are indeed more tedious)
22:19:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I understand the idea of the task, just not how I'd implement it in Nim specifically
22:20:17FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> then you don't understand the task well enough to explain it to nim, thats what i mean 🙂
22:20:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I could do it in Python (or Java) easily, but that's because they're obviously not statically typed
22:20:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair enough
22:20:36FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll revisit this when I wake up, maybe sleep will help
22:20:42FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> how would you do it in python?
22:21:16FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll write that up now
22:21:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> With Python I wouldn't even need an `EventObj` is the thing oof
22:23:16FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> struggling to understand why you need the `theirobject.field` mandatory, compared to `theirobject.event.field`
22:23:49FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> they can just send you your object back, and figure out how to store it and what to do with it if they need? 🤔
22:24:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4Hg7
22:24:18FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> instead of sending you their object directly, instead of sending you yours
22:24:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "struggling to understand why": I'm not sure how that'd work at all
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22:24:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Their event listeners need their own defined data
22:25:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Their event listeners need": how do -you- access their data?
22:25:44FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if you are storing a vtable... you don't need their data, just their callbacks
22:26:11FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "if you are storing": Yeah, but how would I add their events into a vtable?
22:26:23FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I don't know their events in my code, they may define custom events
22:26:32FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> with a predetermined object that holds procs of a specific type you determine
22:26:48FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> they send you that object, which holds their procs
22:26:54FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> you call the procs, they define the behavior
22:27:34FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if you want the locust of control of the app to be fully on their side, then i don't think im understanding the target usecase
22:28:20FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if you know GLFW, what im mentioning is the same idea
22:28:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I do not know GLFW actually :p
22:29:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "you call the procs,": Not super getting it really, oof
22:29:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I think I'll attempt this when waking up tomorrow
22:29:25FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> kk
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