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06:08:18FromGitter<zacharycarter> I'm having some difficulty with function pointers, was hoping someone could help me
06:08:22FromGitter<zacharycarter> https://gist.github.com/zacharycarter/0d2b3ca29568dceeb355a7c005370d01
06:08:30FromGitter<zacharycarter> made the most concise example I could
06:09:21FromGitter<zacharycarter> I think I see what I'm doing wrong actually
06:11:09FromGitter<zacharycarter> I realize I'm not actually passing function pointers...
06:23:53FromGitter<zacharycarter> got it working I think :D
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07:49:56FromGitter<Varriount> @zacharycarter Need any help?
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08:55:02TheManiacCould someone help me understand iterators a little better?
08:55:05TheManiachttps://bitbucket.org/snippets/maxgrenderjones/aB6yr
08:55:37TheManiacI've been staring at this a while and tried reading the docs, but I still can't understand why this doesn't print anything
08:57:56TheManiacMy problem is probably that I think nim iterators are python iterators, which they clearly aren't, but still...
08:58:42Araqsounds a bit like https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/3837
08:59:24TheManiac> echo it # Expected output: @[4, 8, 12, 16, 20], Actual output: @[]
08:59:34TheManiacthat looks very familiar
09:00:10TheManiacI don't get an error, just tumbleweed
09:00:27TheManiacAm using 0.16.0 - should I report as bug, or try with latest dev?
09:00:37Araqnothing changed in dev
09:02:25flyxdoes it work if you just do `for item in input:` instead of `for item in input():` ?
09:03:14flyx`input()` will call the closure iterator, so you effectively do `for item in [expression with type A]:`
09:07:52TheManiacDoesn't compile - got iterative, expected items
09:07:59TheManiac*iterator
09:12:57flyxwell it does work with a while loop
09:13:21flyxsee https://nim-by-example.github.io/for_iterators/#closure-iterators
09:15:38TheManiacIndeed, got it working in a while loop. So does it not work in a for loop because it's designed that way or something else?
09:16:29TheManiacThe countTo9 example looks like what I'm trying to do
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09:20:02flyxit *is* designed that way: http://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#iterators-and-the-for-statement-first-class-iterators
09:20:06flyxso it seems to be a bug
09:20:57flyxmight be the issue Araq linked
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10:08:40AraqTheManiac: can you report it properly as a bug please. including the version with the 'while' that works.
10:08:45Araqthat surely would be helpful
10:10:42flyxAraq: why does the syntax want `for item in input()` rather than `for item in input`?
10:14:58Araqflyx: yeah that makes no sense
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12:29:26PMunchHmm dom96 what's nimbot?
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12:36:01Araq!lag
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12:40:38Arrrrthis looks hardcoded
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13:10:20FromGitter<zacharycarter> @Varriount thanks for the offer last night but I think I figured out what I want to do
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13:18:59PMunchI was actually talking about this: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimbot
13:19:14PMunchBut I guess this is the live version :P
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13:32:39PMunchlib/nim/pure/asyncdispatch.nim(14, 28) Error: cannot open 'deques'
13:32:44PMunchUhm, that doesn't seem good
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13:48:05PMunchIs there a reason why deques is suddenly gone from my install?
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14:26:34rokupsis there any compiler switch to compile/link additional c files? i cant find one in docs..
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14:40:17enthus1astrokups: there is something http://nim-lang.org/docs/backends.html and there http://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html
14:41:02enthus1astimportc, compile pragma, passL
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14:44:23plmHi all
14:50:53plmwhat we need to have a big company behind Nim?
14:50:56plm:)
14:51:00plmlike as rust..
14:51:18plmI newbie of nim, but I like it so much, like as I like of Python :)
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15:15:26SentreenIs there any reason why
15:15:28Sentreentype
15:15:30Sentreen Test = object
15:15:32Sentreen t : TestA
15:15:34Sentreen TestA = int
15:15:36SentreenWorks, but
15:15:56Sentreen t : TestA
15:15:58Sentreentype TestA = int
15:16:02Sentreendoes not?
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15:17:46SentreenSorry, I should have put that in a paste: http://pastebin.com/i16tLneW
15:21:45SentreenBasically, is there any reason why dependent types work when they are added in the same type block, but not when they are in separate type blocks?
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15:25:41FromGitter<zacharycarter> sorry for the noob question - I need to divide an unsigned 32 bit integer by 1000 - how do I do that?
15:26:13couven92value / 1000
15:26:15FromGitter<zacharycarter> the division procedure won't operate on uint32s
15:26:27rokupsenthus1ast: thanks, compile pragma does pretty much that. any idea if it can somehow be used from nimscript? keeping such detail out of code would be ideal.
15:26:51FromGitter<zacharycarter> only int, float32 or float
15:27:08Araqvalue div 1000u
15:27:20FromGitter<zacharycarter> thank you
15:27:35couven92Ah, sry I forgot!
15:27:49AraqSentreen: because that's how Nim has been defined. the compiler needs to know when the type graphs are complete
15:28:08rokupsbtw should anyone care (probably will not) i updated utf8 string lib to support latest utf8rewind lib. https://github.com/rokups/nim-ustring
15:28:34Araqwhat is utf8rewind?
15:28:48rokupsgreat utf8 handlig lib
15:29:02rokupsthat https://bitbucket.org/knight666/utf8rewind/
15:29:19SentreenAraq, so are there any good workarounds for when you are defining a rather complex type graph that you preferably want to split over multiple files?
15:29:29SentreenBesides "design it in another way" of course
15:30:03AraqRootObj and generics are the workarounds
15:31:10Araqbut design it another way. if your types are mutually dependent there is no reason to pretend they are not
15:35:07SentreenYeah, makes sense. I'm probably too anal about the "splitting them over multiple files" part
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16:05:38FromGitter<timeyyy> :plm hi
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16:05:50FromGitter<timeyyy> .. @plm
16:05:56FromGitter<timeyyy> !lag
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16:09:28rokupsi was wondering.. what do you people think of this? https://gist.github.com/rokups/c66ea0ed35e7cadffda44371aa9b1a54
16:12:29Araqrokups: you got construction wrong ;-)
16:13:10Araqor maybe not. hmmm
16:14:30FromGitter<Varriount> Sentreen: Put the type in one file, and their methods in two or more different files?
16:14:54SentreenYeah, that's what I'm doing now :)
16:16:01FromGitter<Varriount> You don't have to stick with the whole "procedures and types must be in the same file" in Nim
16:16:53rokupsAraq: remembering all the discussions IMHO this is best of all worlds. construction tied to the type while still allowing ultimate control over how things are done. new for refs, init for values. also very intuitive. and i think it hopefully fits into nim world view. that "hmmm" is encouraging :)
16:17:08FromGitter<andreaferretti> I usually stick the converse convention
16:17:09FromGitter<andreaferretti> all types in one file
16:17:25FromGitter<andreaferretti> and the the procs split based on their context
16:17:39FromGitter<andreaferretti> so that it is easy to have a look at all types involved
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16:30:20SentreenI tend to group files with their functionality.
16:30:32SentreenTypes with their functionality is what I meant :)
16:31:02SentreenProcs that deal with multiple types are somewhere else, depending on where it makes the most sense.
16:33:08SentreenBut for me it makes sense to put `$`, equality checks, initializers, ... right after the type definition.
16:33:21SentreenThat being said, I do notice that compared to most nim people I prefer my files to be pretty short
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16:37:19Araqif I want a mess of little snippets where everything happens somewhere else, I use Smalltalk. :P
17:06:36rokupsAraq: what would be the official way for a wrapper to handle overriding of virtual methods of cpp classes?
17:07:18Araqthat part is still not covered at all, you have to use .emit
17:08:55rokupsbummer. is there any particular plan for officially supporting this? maybe a way for a type to inherit cpp class?
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17:10:36Araqyou can inherit from C++ classes that is not the problem
17:10:55Araqthe problem is convince the codegen to put your method/proc into a C++ class
17:11:21rokupshmm didnt know inheritance already worked. but yeah i basically meant all you just said
17:14:02Araqit's not exactly a trivial codegen addition
17:14:22AraqI can guide you if you think you're good enough at Nim
17:14:43rokupsi dont think that ^_^
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17:28:39rokupsAraq: last question for today: what are officially supported compilers? maybe it would be worthwhile for me trying to get rid of fasm and use compiler assemblers to asselble coroutine stuff?
17:29:32cheatfaterokups, you will be in trouble because VCC doesn't support inline assembly of x64 code
17:29:57rokupscheatfate: visual studio bundles masm, thats not a problem
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17:32:51cheatfateofficially supported compilers are, GCC, CLANG, VCC, ICC and TCC
17:44:52rokupscheatfate: thanks o/ icc being intel compiler right? wich one is tcc?
17:45:11rokupso wait, tiny c compiler? that one will certainly not support assembly i bet
17:45:37cheatfatehttp://bellard.org/tcc/
17:46:27rokupsdocs mention inline assembly support. encouraging
17:47:23cheatfateCompile and execute C source directly. No linking or assembly necessary. Full C preprocessor and GNU-like assembler included.
17:48:20rokupsi hope they support intel syntax because att syntax is freakin braindead..
17:54:54rokupstcc supports only ATT syntax. oh well.. lowest common denominator.
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18:21:26FromGitter<Varriount> I've never understood why people like AT&T syntax. It's even more masochistic
18:24:11cheatfateat&t syntax is not so masochistic like gcc inline assembly with registers replacement...
18:24:39cheatfaterokups, are you going to make coroutines support ARM?
18:25:39rokupscheatfate: that would be cool i guess, but i have pretty much no knowledge of arm arch so no promises
18:26:15rokupslast time i worked on these things i couldnt even figure out why coroutines work in general but compiling compiler with them enabled fails :|
18:28:08FromGitter<Varriount> What we need is some tool that takes in some subset of assembly and spits out dialects for various assemblers
18:29:06cheatfaterokups, just try to find any tutorial about risc assembler you will like it :)
18:30:08cheatfateand for coroutines the only thing you need to find is how to store/restore registers to/from memory and how to transfer execution without modifying stack
18:30:34rokupsVarriount its actually not too bad keeping separate files for ms/unix ABIs. i386 arch can use same code on ms and unix so its a bit of code duplication, but x86_64 - different calling conventions so got to have separate assembly for platforms anyway..
18:30:56rokupsmaintaining extra copy of assembly file of vaning i386 is easier than producing a tool i bet ;)
18:32:26rokupscheatfate: i looked at arm a little bit. from first sight it seemed to have bit more stuff going on than x86_64
18:33:23cheatfaterokups, arm is RISC (reduced instruction set) and intel is CISC (complex instruction set), so there can't be more stuff :)
18:34:14rokupsin this particular case that does not really matter.. its all about saving and restoring state (registers)
18:35:11Araqcheatfate: there are no RISC designs left, they all got SIMD at least iirc
18:39:02cheatfateAraq, single instructions can execute several low-level operations (such as a load from memory, an arithmetic operation, and a memory store) or are capable of multi-step operations or addressing modes within single instructions.
18:39:23cheatfatedoesn't matter they have SIMD or no
18:43:10cheatfateAraq, is there any semantic difference between `method` and `proc`?
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18:45:36FromGitter<Varriount> @Araq is there any documentation on nimscript?
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18:50:29Araqhttp://nim-lang.org/documentation.html
18:50:35Araq"NimScript" -->
18:50:45Araqhttp://nim-lang.org/docs/nims.html
18:51:07Araq"The system module in NimScript mode additionally supports these operations: nimscript."
18:51:14Araqhttp://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html
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19:05:32Araqcheatfate: yes, methods use dynamic binding, procs don't
19:05:55gangstacatis it possible to close an UI window with a button in the current state of the library? because it doesn't work to apply the closure from the Quit menu item to a button
19:14:58Araqgangstacat: I don't know
19:15:45gangstacatError: type mismatch: got (string, proc (): bool{.closure, noSideEffect, gcsafe, locks: 0.}) but expected one of: proc newButton(text: string; onclick: proc () = nil): Button
19:15:53gangstacatso yep..
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19:47:42gokrHowdy folks. Did you notice this one? Perhaps someone can mention Nim to him/her :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13470592
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20:48:35FromGitter<lbmn> Rust may be of interest to SOME programmers frustrated with C++, but Nim should be of interest to ALL programmers frustrated with Rust. ;)
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21:09:07smtI was having a similar thoughts earlier, I was starting to write something small and this was the first lines i wrote: http://i.imgur.com/DBYaa4Y.png and i just took a step back and looked at how nice and high level it was, yet it's super fast and the language can still do super advanced stuff that's beyond me
21:09:11smti think that sums up nim for me
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21:14:41devtedPabClsn_twitter, to auto-start Sublime Text with 'open -a "/Applications/Sublime Text.app"', you can create an Applescript launcher that you can copy to your /Applications/ folder. See http://pastebin.com/T41zxDTC
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21:20:13FromGitter<lbmn> Nim can be the ideal programming ecosystem, but no one syntax skin can compete with Python and Rust at the same time. There could eventually be an even more high-level way to code Nim. Implicit var, implicit type conversion, much syntax sugar, etc. But that's not a priority for now.
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21:33:26federico3how can I iterate over an arbitrary type's fields?
21:33:44federico3ideally getting the field name as a string as well
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22:11:59devtedfederico3, the source to the marshal module might help. If you don't need such a "deep enumeration", you can "import typetraits" and then "echo myvar.type.name"
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23:29:16FromGitter<Varriount> Gokr: Have you mentioned anything in that thread yet?
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