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00:04:16FromDiscord<ynfle> I work without the expandMacros: macro but is illegal ast with it
00:04:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont know what to say
00:07:50FromDiscord<ynfle> Next confusion. When the input to the macro is a json container type (object or array) I get an error lib/system/dollars.nim(131, 10) Error: request to generate code for .compileTime proc: Lit
00:08:04FromDiscord<ynfle> (edit) "Next confusion. When the input to the macro is" => "sent" | removed "json container type (object or array) I get an error lib/system/dollars.nim(131, 10) Error: request to generate" | "for .compileTime proc: Lit" => "paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjJ"
00:15:07FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjK
00:15:40FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You cannot store type to variable
00:15:52FromDiscord<Patitotective> 😕
00:16:06FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Why do you want to put type to variable?
00:16:14FromDiscord<ynfle> @Patitotective What are you trying to do?
00:16:22FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @ynfle "Next confusion. When the": Seems related to https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/10753
00:17:09FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/3K3
00:17:19FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjM" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjL"
00:17:28FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjL" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjN"
00:17:33FromDiscord<ynfle> And then what? Are you in a macro?
00:17:57FromDiscord<Patitotective> (I'm creating a parser)
00:18:11FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Nim is statically typed language and types doesn't exists at runtime.
00:18:21FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjO
00:18:39FromDiscord<ynfle> I'd say template
00:18:55FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @demotomohiro "Nim is statically typed": I always forgot :p
00:18:56FromDiscord<Patitotective> lol
00:19:12FromDiscord<Patitotective> Gonna do something different
00:19:13FromDiscord<Patitotective> Thanks
00:19:14FromDiscord<Patitotective> 🙃
00:19:20FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "forgot" => "forget"
00:20:02FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Maybe this is what you really needs:
00:20:03FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-object-variants
00:21:06FromDiscord<Patitotective> I already have that lol, It's just that I only have `float` type, not 32 or 64↵Thanks anyways 🙃
00:21:08NimEventerNew question by How2: Add the ability to use tabulation in Nim, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/70827737/add-the-ability-to-use-tabulation-in-nim
00:23:40FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @ynfle "Seems related to https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/is": @demotomohiro Did you every find a solution for this issue of yours?
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01:00:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there is a work around
01:00:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjS
01:04:06FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjT
01:12:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Warning are compile time
01:13:27FromDiscord<Patitotective> So `echo`?↵The thing is when I parse some _NiPrefs_ file it has to convert any `float32` to `float`, so it does warn you `Implicit conversion form float32 to float`
01:13:56FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "So `echo`?↵The thing is ... when" added "that"
01:16:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well an echo isnt the best since it happens at runtime and can mess the program using your library up
01:17:12FromDiscord<Patitotective> Maybe I should just say that it does that in the docs (?)
01:17:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i mean you make it more useless
01:17:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do users need to know this or the programmers that use this library?
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01:19:47FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Do users need to": This only happens when you are writing your own _NiPrefs_ file, in which case you don't normally write floats, so I guess no
01:20:17FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "writing your own" => "parsing a"
01:23:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So perhaps just a warning in the source
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01:30:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Maybe with `-d:niPrefsFloatConv` but idk
01:30:20FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "So perhaps just a": But isn't that going to warn the user every time the user uses the library?
01:30:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The programmer yes if the convert float -\> float32
01:31:52FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NjY
01:32:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh then I dont know what to do, just document the behaviour
01:32:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The end user doesnt need to know this really afaict
01:32:47FromDiscord<Patitotective> ok, thanks 🙃
01:40:00FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @ynfle "<@!288750616510201856> Did you every": I forget about the issue and workaround.
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02:58:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> are there C blocks in Nim?
02:58:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i mean
02:58:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> can i write C in a Nim sousrce?
02:58:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Can you emit C code inline?
02:58:47FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> bot
02:58:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you can't understand all questions
02:59:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nkl
02:59:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh nooo
02:59:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cant tell if you still think i'm a bot or are still jokiing
02:59:15FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what's this
02:59:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> an emit pragma which emits backend code
02:59:29FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Cant tell if you": you can't manipulate my mind
02:59:31FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> !
02:59:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In this case C code
02:59:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooooooooooooook
02:59:47FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If he cant manipulate your mind, can I?
02:59:59FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @ElegantBeef "If he cant manipulate": :BANNED:
03:00:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i like it
03:00:14FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> damn
03:00:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> we can write C
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03:00:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes it makes interop easier
03:01:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Nim-for-C-programmers
03:01:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea it's surprisingly a good language
03:02:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> please leave this server @ElegantBeef
03:02:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
03:02:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i dont want to talk to a bot
03:02:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i'm not a bot
03:02:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Come use matrix and you can be a bot too
03:02:52FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooooooooooooooook
03:03:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Looking
03:03:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> no sugar left in my home right now
03:03:25FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and it is 06:03
03:03:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i need to drink tea
03:03:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Shame how will you have your tea
03:03:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> do you understand?
03:03:45FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you can'T
03:03:49FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> cuz you're a bot
03:03:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you can't taste tea
03:03:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No i dont understand cause i dont drink tea
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03:04:03FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱
03:04:25FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
03:04:27FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> look
03:04:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is the only way writing C in Nim to use C libraries?
03:05:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> or
03:05:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i think
03:05:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> we can also write bindings right?
03:05:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh no
03:05:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh nooooooooooooooooooooo
03:05:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooook
03:05:38FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> wait
03:05:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nkl
03:05:54FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this
03:05:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can interop with C
03:06:03FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> nooooooooo
03:06:06FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> wait
03:06:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im asking
03:06:16FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how does this work with debugger?
03:06:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not a clue
03:06:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Not a clue": wdym?
03:06:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Remember i'm only a bot in name
03:06:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I've never tried debugging inline C
03:07:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ostensibly it writes it out somewhat properly
03:07:16FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oooooooooooook
03:07:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i have tooooo much work
03:07:25FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but
03:07:35FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will take the debugger issue of this language
03:07:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will make special things for the language
03:08:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> hmmm
03:08:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> for example
03:08:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> in GDB you can't cast to `string`
03:08:52FromDiscord<leorize> emit is a PITA if you ask me
03:09:08FromDiscord<leorize> pretty much a hack, by design
03:09:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you can cast to `NimStringDesc`
03:09:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's
03:09:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean there are benefits to it
03:09:19FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @leorize "emit is a PITA": you
03:09:23FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱
03:09:27FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> another BOT
03:09:37FromDiscord<leorize> the nim devs have mastered AI
03:09:38FromDiscord<leorize> fear us
03:09:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cant master compiler dev though 😛
03:09:47FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> where the fuck am i at?
03:10:06FromDiscord<Rika> The future
03:10:11FromDiscord<Rika> Or hell, you choose
03:10:13madpropsthe futon
03:10:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "Or hell, you choose": look
03:10:23FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @madprops "the futon": That’s me right now
03:10:26FromDiscord<Rika> In the futon
03:10:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> consciousness
03:10:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> they don't have that
03:11:10FromDiscord<Rika> Are you sure 😛
03:11:27FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "Are you sure 😛": this is the main question!
03:11:38FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what is consciousness
03:11:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im making a new language
03:12:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it is the best
03:12:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So to explain just incase you're actually scared these "bots" are users of the Matrix protocol and use a bridge specifically to scare you
03:12:20FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
03:12:23FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you have to leave Nim
03:12:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and use my language
03:12:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱
03:12:42FromDiscord<Rika> Can’t, it is a fact that Nim is the best language
03:12:49FromDiscord<Rika> Can’t get any better than Nim
03:12:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does it have wirth bitsets, distinct types, subrange types?
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03:13:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Does it have wirth": it is a scripting language
03:13:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but
03:13:15FromDiscord<leorize> does it have
03:13:17the-true-mindthese glorious bots?
03:13:21FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh no
03:13:23FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> more bots
03:13:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i don't want more bots
03:13:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> leave here
03:13:29FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> get out
03:13:40FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
03:13:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea leorize you fucking NPC
03:13:54FromDiscord<huantian> hold on lemme bootup my irc client
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03:13:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sooooooooo
03:14:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yooooooo
03:14:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> my language is usable for extending something
03:14:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but it is unsafe
03:14:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and pretty fast
03:15:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Let me guess it's named CScript?
03:15:06FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> very different than Python
03:15:15FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Let me guess it's": oh nooo
03:15:21FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it is a VM
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03:15:51FromDiscord<Rika> PythonScript
03:15:54FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh nooooooo
03:16:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> dont tell me Python
03:16:07FromDiscord<Rika> Python 4
03:16:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> the worst language
03:16:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> ever
03:16:12huantiandang I wish I had a programming language like python but a scripting language instead
03:16:22huantianand they gotta get rid of those nasty type hints
03:16:33FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @huantian "and they gotta get": looooooook
03:16:38FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i tried to use type hints
03:16:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> its good
03:16:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but
03:16:45FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i can't use them
03:16:49FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> cuz if i use them
03:16:52FromDiscord<Rika> Huantian is being sarcastic
03:16:58FromDiscord<Rika> Just in case you don’t know
03:17:04FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> damn software will not work on older Pythons
03:17:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I wish we had python that was faster and nothing like python
03:17:20FromDiscord<Rika> So rust
03:17:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I wish we had": it is my language
03:18:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're going to implement your language in Nim right?
03:18:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Your new favourite langauge
03:18:29FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You're going to implement": OH NOOOOOO
03:18:31FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> never
03:18:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it is implemented in C
03:18:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Too fast?
03:18:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Too fast?": it is my plan lol
03:19:03FromDiscord<Rika> Why not Pascal
03:19:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Better C
03:19:36FromDiscord<Rika> I still have dreams of a world where Pascal was the C of that world
03:19:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In that world Nim isnt created cause pascal grows into what Nim is
03:19:59huantianok but consider implmeenting it in minecraft command blocks
03:20:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> Pascal is a shit
03:20:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The only downside is that to balance the odds one of the contributors to pascal makes a shitty language called "Get"
03:20:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://github.com/pragmagic/godot-nim
03:20:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you BOT
03:20:40FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> @ElegantBeef you are everywhere!
03:20:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hey something i've contributed to
03:20:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm a good bot
03:21:04huantiancan't believe beef contributes to nim projects
03:21:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Same my creator was nice and gave me taste
03:21:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> looooooooook
03:21:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Imagine if i contributed to C projects
03:21:27FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is this thingy stable?
03:21:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> People have used it to make games
03:21:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it's somewhat
03:21:50FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what language is first Nim compiler written in?
03:21:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pscal
03:22:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pascal\
03:22:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im leaving here
03:22:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It was then transpiled using pas2nim
03:22:19FromDiscord<huantian> scary alternate universes
03:22:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean Nim is heavily pascal inspired
03:22:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 2/3 of the languages it gets inspiration from vocally are pascal 😀
03:22:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > It combines successful concepts from mature languages like Python, Ada and Modula
03:22:49FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "im leaving here": Bruh
03:22:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> theeen
03:22:59FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> compile to Pascal
03:23:00FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> damn
03:23:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what a bullshit
03:23:07FromDiscord<Rika> No it compiles to C
03:23:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But C is supported wider
03:23:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pascal is more obscure
03:23:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> then why didn't you write it in C?
03:23:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> firstly
03:23:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause Araq prefered pascal
03:23:36FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what is that
03:23:37FromDiscord<Rika> Because the creator liked Pascal more
03:23:44FromDiscord<Rika> Araq is the creator
03:23:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> He wrote a pascal inspired langauge it in object pascal since he liked pascal more than C
03:23:51FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> THE GOD 😱
03:23:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> He used C as the IR as it's a widely supported language with performance
03:24:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱
03:24:23FromDiscord<Rika> I mean technically Assembly is also a widely supported language with performance 😛
03:24:33FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "I mean technically Assembly": looooooook
03:24:36FromDiscord<huantian> yeah but who likes assembly
03:24:37FromDiscord<Rika> It’s a joke
03:24:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> we are just NOOOBS
03:24:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> we can't write assembly
03:24:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i mean assembly isnt portable, but yes 😀
03:25:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> only MenuetOS devs aren't NOOBS
03:25:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> they are real programmers
03:25:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935012457263534161/net02.png
03:25:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> respect this
03:26:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also the benefit of using C was seen when you were testing Nim code and a majority just worked 😛
03:27:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Also the benefit of": oh damn yes
03:27:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but look
03:27:40FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> we can't do `(string)voidPtr` in evaluater
03:27:58FromDiscord<huantian> cast exists
03:28:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i can define Nim pseudo-types for this
03:28:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @huantian "cast exists": wdym?
03:28:19FromDiscord<huantian> actually I have no idea what you mean because I don't do C
03:28:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how can i cast to void pointer in Nim?
03:28:22FromDiscord<huantian> don't listen to me
03:28:38FromDiscord<leorize> `cast[pointer](stuff)`
03:29:01FromDiscord<demotomohiro> !eval echo cast[string](cast[pointer]("fooo"))
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03:29:04NimBotfooo
03:29:38FromDiscord<leorize> warning, does not work with arc
03:29:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @leorize "`cast[pointer](stuff)`": what is this
03:29:57FromDiscord<huantian> it doesn't work with arc? didn't know that
03:30:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a bitwise cast to a void pointer
03:30:14FromDiscord<demotomohiro> `pointer` in Nim is `void` in C.
03:30:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @leorize "`cast[pointer](stuff)`": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935013621602349086/unknown.png
03:30:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim differentiates casting from type conversions
03:30:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> nothing
03:30:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> why?
03:30:48FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "": amazing background
03:30:50FromDiscord<leorize> yea, arc uses a different representation where a string is a pair of pointer and length, so casting it to pointer will remove the length
03:31:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @huantian "amazing background": cuz im making the cutest debugger
03:31:32FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> str is a `string`
03:31:35FromDiscord<huantian> ah that makes sense
03:31:43FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how to cast it to void ptr?
03:31:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You did
03:31:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> NO
03:32:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh no
03:32:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `pointer` in nim is `vod`
03:32:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh nooooooooooo
03:32:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> wait
03:32:16FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it is Nim code
03:32:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `void` i mean
03:32:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> lol
03:32:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this app
03:32:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is a C thing in debugger
03:32:31FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> lol
03:32:32FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> wait
03:32:44FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935014227071103027/unknown.png
03:32:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935014287796232314/unknown.png
03:33:00FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this
03:33:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but
03:33:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> other was a Nim thing right?
03:33:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooo
03:34:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> `cast[pointer](str)` translates to `(void ) str`
03:34:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> (edit) "str`" => "str)`"
03:34:15FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> (edit) "str)`" => "str`"
03:34:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooo then
03:34:54FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> `cast[string](void_ptr)` translates to `(NimStringDesc ) void_ptr`
03:35:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
03:35:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> lemme try to stepping over C lines
03:35:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> gimme C blocks
03:37:30FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935015429271851088/unknown.png
03:37:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nkv
03:37:51FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935015514495918100/unknown.png
03:37:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh it works like a charm
03:37:58FromDiscord<huantian> weird my syntax highlighting does not like the triple quotes
03:38:14FromDiscord<huantian> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935015612118364231/unknown.png
03:38:15FromDiscord<huantian> funky
03:38:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nkw
03:39:52FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> ?????????????????????????
03:40:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It uses the Nim symbol
03:40:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooooooo
03:40:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> that's what i said
03:40:21FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> then
03:40:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> its good
03:40:40FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i like it
03:41:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> oh no
03:41:14FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> look
03:41:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> can i do
03:42:15FromDiscord<huantian> It's not about if you can, it's about if you should
03:42:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nkz
03:42:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> ??????????????????????
03:44:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱
03:44:35FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this is too much for YOU BOTS
03:45:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> why im not trying
03:46:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935017728559939604/unknown.png
03:46:46FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
03:46:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what is this?
03:47:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You emitting bad C code
03:47:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> IM NOT BAD
03:47:36FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you can't say bad to me
03:47:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> :BANNED:
03:48:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sooo this ` syntax is only for symbol names?
03:49:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
03:49:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how can i do `#include ...`?
03:50:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas-emit-pragma
03:50:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sooooooooooo
03:50:56FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> look
03:51:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will add some tricks to debugger
03:51:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=
03:51:24FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this is string
03:51:46FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will make the debugger to handle names from in this string (C code)
03:52:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and when you do mouse over on a name on C code
03:52:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it will handle it
03:52:54FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but looks like we don't have syntax highlighting for embedded C
03:52:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> its bad 😦
03:54:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea might encourage people to use it 😛
03:55:10FromDiscord<Rika> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3NkL
03:56:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "and if someone does": i think it must work
03:56:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> GIMME TEA
03:56:29FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> pls
03:56:37FromDiscord<Rika> what happens if someone constructs an emit from a macro 😛
03:57:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935020357587443722/5b645cde66be5d25a0c1e13c.png
03:57:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im eating this thing
03:57:43FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "what happens if someone": 😱
03:58:11FromDiscord<Rika> man might have a heart attack
04:00:33NimEventerNew post on r/nim by kewlness: Question about nimble, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/sbcqhh/question_about_nimble/
04:01:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "man might have a": do you want to eat?
04:06:59FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> damn
04:07:10FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> tell me
04:07:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is Nim faster than scripting languages?
04:07:32FromDiscord<Rika> uh?
04:07:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It can be as fast as C
04:07:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> v8 JavaScript is the fastest scripting language
04:07:44FromDiscord<Rika> it can even beat C
04:07:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's more about the programmer and less about a language
04:07:52FromDiscord<Rika> can v8 js beat C?
04:08:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It can be as": i don't think sooooo cuz there are soooo many things
04:08:20FromDiscord<Rika> ???
04:08:23FromDiscord<Rika> have you tested it
04:08:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i see soo many things for a hello world app
04:08:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can play benchmark games all day long
04:08:44FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "can v8 js beat": no but it is the fastest scripting language
04:08:44FromDiscord<Rika> yes, so?
04:08:48FromDiscord<Rika> ok?
04:08:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim is a fast system programming language just like any other, in the right hands
04:08:57FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nim is a fast": soooooooooo
04:09:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "yes, so?": im curious about how slower is that than pure C
04:09:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It can be on par
04:09:41FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooo then
04:09:51FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i have GC
04:09:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and dynamic things
04:10:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but i have also performance
04:10:06FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> and goooooooooooood C compatibility
04:10:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
04:10:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> right?
04:10:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's like Go if it wasnt a mistake 😛
04:10:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It's like Go if": wdym?
04:10:32FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> do you think Nim is better than Go?
04:10:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If i thought the other way i'd be using Go 😛
04:10:45FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> can i compile Nim source to .C?
04:10:52FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i want .c sources
04:10:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can output C code yes
04:11:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--nimcache:yourDirectory`
04:11:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> sooooooooooooooooo
04:11:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you want to make it cleaner do `-d:danger` or `-d:release`
04:11:19FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how does that look like?
04:11:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not very human readable but it looks like C
04:11:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "If you want to": what are those?
04:11:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Those are compiler flags for versions, by default nim compiles in debug mode
04:11:52FromDiscord<Rika> release build
04:12:03FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooooooooook
04:12:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooo
04:12:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can also do `--gc:arc` to use a deterministic move semantic based ARC
04:12:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you think it is better to use Nim instead of C
04:12:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
04:12:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i liked this language
04:12:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It has a saner type system, and meta programming to make it more enjoyable to write
04:12:43FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> the most important reason
04:12:44FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is
04:12:57FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> docs page looks like Godot's
04:13:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Some of nim's website was made by hugo, dont know about the docs design
04:13:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Hugo is the same person that did godot's webiste/design
04:13:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Some of nim's website": what is that?
04:13:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> hmmmmmmmmmm
04:13:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://hugo.pro/
04:14:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> ah i know
04:14:16FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this
04:14:17FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> ok
04:14:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooo
04:14:31FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooooooooook
04:14:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this language is working on indents
04:14:47FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i don't want it
04:14:58FromDiscord<Rika> okay
04:15:00FromDiscord<Rika> thats fine
04:15:03FromDiscord<Rika> its a preference thing
04:15:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then dont use it 😀
04:15:14FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Then dont use it": the language?
04:15:15FromDiscord<Rika> wtf beef rude
04:15:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "wtf beef rude": it is a BOT
04:15:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> IT is acting like expected
04:15:48FromDiscord<Rika> i never knew bots could be so rude
04:15:59FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "i never knew bots": oh nooo it is a MALFUNCTION
04:16:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> maybe its hacked
04:16:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean if someone doesnt like nim's significant whitespace, what do you say? 😀
04:16:28FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I mean if someone": you HAVE TO add curly brackets support
04:16:31FromDiscord<Rika> the same thing but not rude XD
04:16:32FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i would say
04:16:37FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "you HAVE TO add": it was added before
04:16:38FromDiscord<Rika> then removed
04:16:40FromDiscord<Rika> no one used it
04:16:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "then removed": oh
04:16:52FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> if it is added once
04:16:52FromDiscord<Rika> and it was expensive in terms of maintenance to keep
04:17:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> why would you remove it again?
04:17:08FromDiscord<Rika> no one used it and it was hard to maintain
04:17:18FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "no one used it": really interesting as a reason
04:17:45FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will make a new open source thing
04:17:56FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> a goooood project
04:17:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> in my mind
04:18:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooo i can write that in Nim
04:18:08FromDiscord<Rika> okay
04:18:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> but
04:18:19FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it is using indentations
04:18:34FromDiscord<Rika> ok
04:18:46FromDiscord<Rika> you dont have to write it in nim
04:19:33FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "you dont have to": sure
04:19:38FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> then
04:19:43FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im leaving here
04:19:44FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> bye
04:20:15FromDiscord<Rika> uh ok
04:20:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Worth noting https://github.com/xigoi/nimdenter exists 😀
04:20:58FromDiscord<Rika> oh yeah it did
04:20:59FromDiscord<Rika> i forgot
04:21:00FromDiscord<Rika> xd
04:21:27FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Worth noting https://github.com/xigoi/nimdenter exi": ❤️ ↵ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ↵❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
04:21:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> (edit) "In reply to @Elegantbeef "Worth noting https://github.com/xigoi/nimdenter exi": ... ❤️" added ". ↵ "
04:21:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Think there is another one somewhere
04:21:39FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> made it
04:21:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean they're toys pretty much imo
04:21:51FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "i forgot": you are a BAD helper
04:21:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> this BOT is better than you
04:22:11FromDiscord<Rika> i mean bots dont forget
04:22:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "i mean bots dont": you're right
04:22:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm not a fucking elephant
04:22:31FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'm not a fucking": sure cuz you're a software
04:22:33FromDiscord<Rika> 😦
04:22:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you're cursed
04:22:39FromDiscord<Rika> lmao
04:23:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> 😱 a stucked mind in electricity in a CPU 😱
04:24:19FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> is there macros?
04:24:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> (edit) "macros?" => "macro?"
04:24:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes there are Lisp inspired macros
04:24:42FromDiscord<Rika> oh buiy
04:24:46FromDiscord<Rika> boy
04:24:51FromDiscord<Rika> you're gonna explode
04:25:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yes there are Lisp": Lisp?
04:25:16FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "you're gonna explode": 😱 me? 😱
04:25:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim macros work on the AST and use a VM to evaluate the changes to the AST
04:25:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So you write your own compiler passes to generate code from code
04:25:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Unlike C's macros
04:26:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> interesting
04:26:45FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooo
04:26:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> what is the way to make bindings for C libraries?
04:27:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `c2nim` `futhark` `nimterop` `hcparse`
04:27:11FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> firstly i will make bindings for this https://github.com/rohanrhu/jsonic
04:27:29FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`c2nim` `futhark` `nimterop` `hcparse`": what are these?
04:27:34FromDiscord<Rika> libraries or binaries
04:27:40FromDiscord<Rika> to aid with wrapping c libraries
04:27:50FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> soooooooooo
04:27:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What the human saidi
04:27:57FromDiscord<Rika> human?
04:28:05FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> how can i use these functions with static linking?
04:28:10FromDiscord<Rika> did i ever say i was human?
04:28:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh god you're not human?
04:28:26FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "how can i use": thats a bit more complicated i believe
04:28:26FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "did i ever say": oh no 😱
04:28:35FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "thats a bit more": how?
04:28:42FromDiscord<haxscramper> Hcparse is pure R&D still, it is not usable now
04:29:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah sorry
04:29:42*vicfred_ quit (Quit: Leaving)
04:45:20FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> damn
04:45:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> a turkish BTC exchange is down for hours
05:17:20FromDiscord<evil> Is it possible to use nim js to work with native script?
05:26:13FromDiscord<leorize> yes
05:27:46FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> can i use inline assembly in Nim?
05:31:38FromDiscord<Rika> afaik yes
05:32:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> then
05:32:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
05:32:14FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i don't write assembly
05:32:19FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> pls remove that feature
05:32:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i don't want it
05:32:36FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> plsssssssss
05:33:50FromDiscord<Rika> you dont need to use the feature
05:35:00FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "you dont need to": YOU TOLD ME THAT FOR BRACES
05:35:07FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i dont love you!!!
05:35:16FromDiscord<that_dude> You don't need braces either lol
05:35:46FromDiscord<that_dude> Imagine spending extra time typing when you don't need to
05:35:58FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> if braces would exist you would not be have to use them toooooooooooooooooooooo
05:36:09FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @that_dude "Imagine spending extra time": :BANNED:
05:36:53FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> loooooooooooooooook
05:37:00FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> im doing Ctrl + M
05:37:02FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> in VSCode
05:37:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> it selects over blocks
05:37:12FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> indentations are bulllshit
05:37:23FromDiscord<Rika> i mean
05:37:24FromDiscord<that_dude> just click the minus where it starts
05:37:27FromDiscord<Rika> lets not fight over it
05:37:30FromDiscord<that_dude> lol
05:37:32FromDiscord<that_dude> ^
05:37:37FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "lets not fight over": loooook
05:38:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i don't allow you to write Nim anymore
05:38:06FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> you will write C
05:38:18FromDiscord<Rika> try me
05:38:29FromDiscord<that_dude> I think most people don't want me to write nim here. lol I asked so many questions just to make a very niche thing
05:38:34FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "try me": 😱 are you a language? 😱
05:38:45FromDiscord<Rika> uh
05:38:48FromDiscord<that_dude> (edit) "I think most people don't want me to write nim here. lol I asked so many questions just to make a very niche thing ... " added "that isn't even very useful"
05:38:49FromDiscord<Rika> thats not what that means
05:38:52FromDiscord<Rika> i mean okay
05:38:53FromDiscord<Rika> sure
05:39:16FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @that_dude "I think most people": dont worry i dont remember SHIT about what you were making
05:39:28FromDiscord<Rika> tbh i dont remember anything past a few hours ago
05:39:34FromDiscord<that_dude> lol
05:39:55FromDiscord<that_dude> It was the thing to inject procs at run time
05:40:06FromDiscord<Rika> OH GOD
05:40:21FromDiscord<Rika> shh i dont need to remember ^_^
05:40:32FromDiscord<that_dude> I'll haunt you with that
05:40:38FromDiscord<Rika> 😅
05:45:08FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "OH GOD": there is no a GOD
05:45:13FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> :BANNED:
05:45:53FromDiscord<that_dude> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "there is no a": There is no YOU :BANNED:
05:45:59FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/935047760904876042/dennisritchie.png
05:46:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> except this
05:46:06FromDiscord<Rika> what the fuck is happening lmfaooo
05:46:15FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @that_dude "There is no YOU": ❤️
05:46:42FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "what the fuck is": we are discussing on banning you
05:48:16FromDiscord<Rika> don't worry it's happened plenty before i'm used to it
05:50:56FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "don't worry it's happened": who the fuck did you do it to you?
05:51:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> i will beat them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:51:15FromDiscord<Rika> y'all hyper as fuck
05:53:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @that_dude\: I mean i dont mind you making the thing you're making, it's just an odd desire 😛
05:53:48FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Rika "y'all hyper as fuck": gimme them
05:54:01FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> anyone can't ban you
05:54:23FromDiscord<that_dude> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@532751332445257729>\: I mean i": Fair enough, I just don't know enough to properly implement everything myself.
05:58:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> My view is very much "You could spend time making your program more managable instead" but, you do you 😀
06:03:15FromDiscord<that_dude> I did take another look at my current design and I think I decided that more than I should have at the end of some of my procs which was causing clashes in design. If I resolve that, I think I wouldn't even need the thing I'm working on. That said. I kinda do want to complete this project because I like the idea of it.
06:03:49FromDiscord<that_dude> (edit) "I did take another look at my current design and I think I decided that ... more" added "I did"
06:04:26FromDiscord<that_dude> When I edit my message, does it also update for you guys on irc/matric/... as well?
06:04:41FromDiscord<that_dude> (edit) "message," => "messages,"
06:04:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sometimes it sometimes explodes
06:26:18FromDiscord<evoalg> Beefy, what use is that emit pragma if it can be done in Nim anyway? ... or can C do things that Nim can't & so that's why we'd use emit?
06:26:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You want to include a C source file inside Nim
06:27:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/ftsf/nico/blob/main/nico/stb_vorbis.nim#L16-L32
06:27:16FromDiscord<evoalg> instead of converting it to nim?
06:28:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea
06:29:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though in that case i thinks it's just for the C header
06:29:49FromDiscord<evoalg> ahhh I see, like if it's someone else's well-thought-out C code, then it might be easier to use emit
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06:37:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Generally you shouldnt use it though
06:39:27FromDiscord<evoalg> gotcha, thank you
06:50:14FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "https://github.com/ftsf/nico/blob/main/nico/stb_vor": damn
06:50:22FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> embedded C code is not highlighted
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06:51:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a string literal what do you expect
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06:52:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Plus it could be C++ or JS
06:53:38FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It's a string literal": yes but it is possible to highlight
06:55:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/Bvw
06:58:12FromDiscord<Rika> how would you know what is a "c language emit" and which is not?
06:58:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is an rfc for it
07:02:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or atleast i thought here was
07:03:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> emit pragms is not used frequently.
07:03:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Indeed
07:04:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There isnt much reason to use it in most cases
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08:39:48NimEventerNew post on r/nim by mavavilj: Is the safety improved when binding Nim to C/C++ or in which sense is Nim safe in such setting?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/sbhify/is_the_safety_improved_when_binding_nim_to_cc_or/
08:53:56FromDiscord<narimiran> here is Nim 1.6.4RC, please try it out: https://github.com/nim-lang/nightlies/releases/tag/2022-01-24-version-1-6-e1f3c74bdc458d5d4c528b30f30eabb56a5778d3
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09:02:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh and @Phil new defaults breaks your code!
09:04:34FromDiscord<Phil> wait, "new" defaults?
09:04:44FromDiscord<enthus1ast> @Phil\: i've added bool and ref obj and also a small readme https://github.com/enthus1ast/nisane
09:05:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I refactored it a bit
09:05:10FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Oh and <@180601887916163073> new": I am of confuse, did you already throw in that the procs generated are init(YOUR TYPE) ?
09:05:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you new need to pass a flag
09:05:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> now\
09:05:34FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @enthus1ast "<@180601887916163073>\: i've added bool": nice!
09:05:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can chose between them
09:06:02FromDiscord<Phil> Check, but I'll more likely just refactor
09:06:29FromDiscord<Phil> I'll need to contemplate whether I want to keep "newModel(mytype)" or just straight up swap full on to "init(mytype)"
09:08:23FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @enthus1ast "<@180601887916163073>\: i've added bool": I'll take a look at it after work, thanks for the update!
09:08:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `new(MyType)`\↵(@Phil)
09:08:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though that might interfer with the systems
09:15:43FromDiscord<Phil> Ohhh that might actually make me stick with newModel as an alias for that new proc
09:15:53FromDiscord<Phil> newModel would be more specific
09:15:55FromDiscord<Phil> Hmmm
09:21:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i havent tested if an exported `new` works
09:21:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume it'll be ambiguous
09:59:00FromDiscord<Clonkk> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/BAb
09:59:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nah
09:59:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> a `new(Type)` definition
10:00:10FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Clonkk "Do you mean this": I might actually not consider that a disadvantage
10:00:14FromDiscord<Phil> hmm
10:01:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Actually our new would be more specific so it'd work
10:01:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Disregard
10:01:27FromDiscord<Clonkk> Well once you have the first one, it's easy to define one with a typedesc
10:03:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i forgot about the specificity rule of procedure dispatch
10:04:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `proc new[T](_: typedesc[T]): T` vs `proc new(_: typedesc[MyType]): MyType`
10:06:53FromDiscord<Clonkk> You could even do `proc new[T: SomeBaseType](_: typedesc[T]): T ` I think
10:07:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea
10:07:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's more specific
10:07:13FromDiscord<Clonkk> (or `ref SomeBaseType` for new semantic)
10:07:31NimEventerNew Nimble package! slicerator - Iterator package aimed at more ergonomic and efficient iterators., see https://github.com/beef331/slicerator
10:10:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I know that all, i just forgot about the dispatch rule 😛
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10:30:16NimEventerNew post on r/nim by mavavilj: VST SDK in Nim? How? When?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/sbj6cb/vst_sdk_in_nim_how_when/
10:51:45FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @Elegantbeef "There isnt much reason": Me looking at my Cuda and OpenCL code 🤔
10:52:44arkanoidwhen I do "proc foo[T](arg: typedesc[T])" I'm not sure what's the difference from `T` and `arg` in the proc body
10:53:35FromDiscord<mratsim> use proc foo(arg: typedesc[T])
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10:53:47FromDiscord<mratsim> (edit) "typedesc[T])" => "typedesc)"
10:53:57FromDiscord<mratsim> without the T in bracket
10:54:29FromDiscord<mratsim> The main difference is in the bugs it might trigger
10:54:47FromDiscord<mratsim> typedesc/type/generics have a different, sometimes overlapping set of bugs.
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11:06:22arkanoidmratsim: thanks. Is there a safe net to avoid triggering those kind of bugs? Is "proc foo[T]" == "proc foo(arg: typedesc)" apart from the signature?
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11:21:06arkanoidwell, I've just refactored code to avoid _:typedesc[T] and it works correctly. Thanks! Much nicer now
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11:41:51FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @arkanoid "well, I've just refactored": We have many such things in Nimbus so if you have a bug on that it's probably a syntax problem
11:43:09FromDiscord<mratsim> example: https://github.com/status-im/nimbus-eth2/blob/bef13b6/tests/consensus_spec/phase0/test_fixture_rewards.nim#L32
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12:18:52haakonDoes the compiler define the implicit `result` variable even when it's not used and `return` is used explicitly?
12:19:27PMunchWell it defines it, but it is optimised away during compilation
12:20:56haakonAh, I see
12:24:01PMunchIn general you don't have to worry too much about what Nim does, it mostly does the right thing
12:24:17PMunchSure there is room for optimisation here and there, but for the most part it's pretty good
12:25:36haakonYeah, that's my impression after a day of playing with it. Quite an enjoyable language so far
12:33:58PMunchHave anything particular in mind you want to use Nim for?
12:39:00Amun-Ranim is great, I switched from zig to nim for my project(s)
12:39:35FromDiscord<Rika> Why?
12:39:40FromDiscord<Rika> About the switch
12:40:16haakonI'm just looking at nim for hobby side-projects (currently dabbling with a system to organize photo collections etc)
12:40:29Amun-Rait gives much more freedom and writing library wrappers is pretty straightforward
12:41:02Amun-Ra(I'm writing old/retro/abandoned image formats viewer just to know and get used to the language)
12:42:30PMunchHuh, I thought Zig was supposed to be great at wrapping C code? I mean I based Futhark off-of the approach that Zig uses
12:43:05PMunchhaakon, that's how it begins, suddenly you'll start missing it at work as well
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12:45:27Amun-Radon't get me wront, zig is fine, it's just I come from python world and I find nim overwall better
12:45:30Amun-Rawrong*
12:45:42Amun-Raand overall* ;>
12:46:50FromDiscord<Rika> Overwall
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12:56:55FromDiscord<Evrensel Kişilik> does GC understand if i use a Nim variable inside C block?
13:02:51FromDiscord<Rika> No
13:04:22PMunchAmun-Ra, ah I see
13:04:35PMunch@Rika, I guess it would if you use --gc:boehm
13:04:42PMunchHaven't tried it though
13:08:17FromDiscord<Yepoleb> how would you pass a ref to a c block?
13:10:12FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @PMunch "In general you don't": I'm the only one who needs to worry :/
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13:10:58PMunch@Evrensel_Kişilik, in general you either pass a pointer to C to some data in Nim, and then you just take care to not destroy that object until the C function is done. If the C code keeps the reference somewhere you might have to use GC_ref and GC_unref. Although if a C library keeps a pointer it will typically also try to call some kind of free procedure from the same library it got the pointer from, so that shouldn't be a big problem to implement
13:11:02FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @Evrensel Kişilik "does GC understand if": you can use a Nim variable inside a C block, just don't let it escape from the function. Ergo it needs to be alive or C code will do use after free
13:11:18PMunch@Yepoleb, just pass it as a pointer
13:11:36FromDiscord<mratsim> You can even pass Nim callbacks to C
13:12:15FromDiscord<mratsim> for example, I pass this Nim function to a MP4 C library: https://github.com/mratsim/trace-of-radiance/blob/master/trace_of_radiance/io/mp4.nim#L115-L126
13:12:19PMunch@mratsim, haha you and me both, trying to make sure Nim doesn't generate more code than necessary for microcontrollers is quite finicky
13:13:27PMunchThe good news is that once I've done it and wrapped it in a nice library it's pretty easy to use for an end user :)
13:13:46FromDiscord<mratsim> Well these days, I just add support for my compile-time assembler
13:13:52FromDiscord<mratsim> I need to tackle ARM.
13:15:03FromDiscord<mratsim> I can't believe how poor the codegen can be for bigint :/
13:15:11FromDiscord<mratsim> even in C.
13:15:41PMunchHmm, is there anything I can run to get a mapping from Nim -> C identifiers? Essentially I want to wrap avr-nm and then turn the identifiers there into Nim file:line:column information
13:16:25PMunchYou're truly doing great work though, I'm constantly amazed by the stuff you manage do to
13:26:56FromDiscord<mratsim> {.exportc.} with `LINE`?
13:26:59FromDiscord<mratsim> thanks 🙂
13:37:58arkanoidmratsim, what's the meaning of "arg: type OtherType"?
13:38:06PMunchWith `LINE`?
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13:55:55FromDiscord<ajusa> Anyone know a good bloom filter implementation that works on the JS backend? I think Status and Disruptek have one, not sure about others
13:57:30FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @ajusa "Anyone know a good": our bloomfilter had very narrow requirement and is basically 50 lines of code iirc
13:58:36FromDiscord<mratsim> 39 LOC: https://github.com/status-im/nim-eth/blob/master/eth/bloom.nim
13:59:03FromDiscord<mratsim> I'm not even sure why it's using stint
13:59:58FromDiscord<ajusa> Oh wow it really is short. Do you think it'd be good enough for English spell checking? Looks like it is limited to 2048 bits, and I don't know enough about the implementation to gauge the false positive rate
14:01:53FromDiscord<mratsim> https://github.com/status-im/nim-eth-bloom#description↵↵> Ethereum bloom filters are implemented with the Keccak-256 cryptographic hash function.
14:02:17FromDiscord<mratsim> Using a cryptographic hash function seems overkill for your use-case
14:02:32FromDiscord<mratsim> There are also Cuckoo Filters iirc
14:03:58FromDiscord<ajusa> Yeah any generic hashing function would be good enough for me. I'll still give it a try though. No cuckoo filter implementations in Nim yet, though it doesn't look too crazy
14:04:31FromDiscord<mratsim> do remember that there are about 2⁸⁶ atoms in the universe
14:05:08FromDiscord<mratsim> if each atom contained an universe you still woudn't reach 2²⁰⁴⁸
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14:50:46FromDiscord<vindaar> computer scientists always get this wrong, huh 😛↵The number of atoms in the universe is O(10^80). Number of photons O(10^88). Big difference 🤣 2^86 is only \~10^26 so about the number of atoms in a liter of water 😅↵(@mratsim)
14:52:36FromDiscord<Rika> so 2^266 roughly, num of atoms in univ.
15:06:21FromDiscord<ynfle> Is this a bug https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Nof ? It seems to be
15:08:09FromDiscord<ynfle> `varargs[typed]` won't accept an overloaded symbol
15:08:19FromDiscord<ynfle> Even as the only argument
15:08:39FromDiscord<ynfle> But just `typed` would
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15:33:45FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @vindaar "computer scientists always get": I'm neither a computer scientist nor a physicist :p
15:41:05FromDiscord<Rika> computer physicist
15:45:12Amun-Racomputer physician
15:53:26FromDiscord<mratsim> comphy
15:59:42FromDiscord<ache of head> LOL
16:44:00arkanoidmratsim, if I may ask, what's your background? Math?
16:50:41Zevvmratsim is a robot from outer space
16:50:58arkanoidmeth?
16:51:09FromDiscord<Rika> methametics
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16:52:31arkanoiddamn, Paul Erdős was right
17:15:09FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @arkanoid "<@570268431522201601>, if I may": I'm a mechanical engineer
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17:20:15FromDiscord<auxym> oh me too. miran is a civvie IIRC?
17:27:33FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @ynfle "Is this a bug": Bug report filed https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19446
18:02:44Amun-Rado I have to check the result of allocCString (that's calling alloc0) for nil?
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18:40:01noeontheend;switch rust
18:41:03FromDiscord<Rika> `/ban noeontheend`
18:41:22noeontheend:(
18:41:45FromDiscord<Rika> is joke ;;
18:43:42FromDiscord<exelotl> `/ban Rika`
18:45:06FromDiscord<Rika> you cant ban me
18:53:31arkanoidI can't wrap my head around that emptySeq.low = 0 and emptySeq.high = -1
18:56:53FromDiscord<demotomohiro> !eval echo @[].high
18:56:55NimBot-1
18:57:48FromDiscord<demotomohiro> !eval echo @[].high, ", ", @[0].high
18:57:50NimBot-1, 0
18:59:10arkanoidyeah, it is the index of first and last element, I know, but the concept of empty can't be contained inside this
18:59:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> So, I guessn@[].high should be @[0].high - 1 because it has 1 less element.
18:59:43arkanoidhigh = (len - low) - 1
19:01:00arkanoidor better, you need "start" and "len" to build low and high, but you can't use low and high to rebuild start and len, unless you bend the spoon and high = -1 if empty
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19:02:41FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Maybe @[].high == -1 because `for i in myseq.low .. myseq.high:` must not run when myseq.len == 0.
19:03:47arkanoidsure, that's the point, but it's confusing. Much better to "if i in low..<len"
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19:38:08FromDiscord<eyecon> In reply to @arkanoid "I can't wrap my": Wut
19:38:39FromDiscord<eyecon> I'm lucky that I didn't stumble upon that
19:42:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> !eval echo default(array[0,int]).high
19:42:13NimBot-1
19:42:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm fairly certain demotomohiro is right
19:52:23FromDiscord<Phil> Beef, question about constructor
19:52:51FromDiscord<Phil> What's events all about? Is that something in the works? Already working?
19:53:34FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "events" => "events.nim"
19:53:36FromDiscord<IsaacPaul> typically -1 means not found so it makes sense, but if that's the reasoning then .low should also be -1.
19:53:50FromDiscord<IsaacPaul> (edit) "-1." => "-1 which it isn't."
19:54:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://github.com/beef331/constructor/tree/648de4bb6b69cb551e139f073643bddccc7f7cc1#events there you go, apart of one of the old macros that i might want to keep
19:55:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Matrix bridge is slow right now
19:55:13FromDiscord<Phil> Ahhhh check, so a previous macro that might yet once again come back to life at one point
19:55:44FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well it still functions and isnt some obscure syntax
19:56:17FromDiscord<Phil> ~~if it isn't documented in the up to date master branch it doesn't exist~~
19:56:38FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Lol, i went through a lot of macros to get to the one liner 😛
19:59:06FromDiscord<Phil> And man am I thankful that you have made these macros given that constructor is easily saving me hundreds of lines of codes that would make me want to shoot myself
20:13:51FromDiscord<evoalg> ooooo slicerator is in nimble
20:15:19FromDiscord<evoalg> hmm Package not found ... how to I update nimble's list
20:16:21FromDiscord<evoalg> `nimble refresh` works!
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21:18:52arkanoidwhat is slicerator?
21:20:42FromDiscord<kporika (kporika)> let settings = jester.newSettings(port=port)
21:20:47FromDiscord<kporika (kporika)> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Nq2
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21:38:58FromDiscord<evoalg> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Nqa
21:39:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Slicerator is my iterator package with a bunch of goodies
21:39:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It started off mainly for just implementing a bunch of useful iterators for openarrays, but i've since added more functionality
21:40:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It now has the abillity to create closure iterators from inline and reset or peek them
21:40:37FromDiscord<mratsim> Nim v2: slicing creates openarray by default
21:40:43arkanoidevoalg, isn't "for el in mysel.toOpenArray(newlow, newhigh)" even more efficient?
21:40:46FromDiscord<mratsim> cc @Araq
21:41:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Arkanoid that's what my iterator does internally
21:41:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does a 0 copy iteration over the openarray slice you want
21:41:48arkanoidgood! Sure, I'm writing custom slicing view on my arrow lib right now, so I feel on the right path
21:42:05arkanoidproblem is how to do pythons step aka [low:end:step]
21:42:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Funny if true given until 1.6 Nim couldnt use `[]` for iterators 😀↵(@mratsim)
21:42:17FromDiscord<mratsim> I think you can just copy my view @Arkanoid
21:42:32FromDiscord<mratsim> since you will likely need to do strided slices
21:42:52arkanoidyes
21:43:32FromDiscord<mratsim> https://github.com/mratsim/constantine/blob/master/research/kzg_poly_commit/strided_views.nim
21:44:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And i mean even if slicerator's `[]` is pointless there are still nice utilities there 😀
21:44:14arkanoidI've answered in #nim-science
21:51:36FromDiscord<hmmm> beefy can I play with your package with the colored ball? that seemed fun in an inim way
21:51:57FromDiscord<hmmm> or is not ready yet
21:54:14FromDiscord<IsaacPaul> Just in case anyone wants to know how to print a nim string in lldb:↵`p (char)myString.p.data`↵and so I can search it later 🙃
21:54:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Colored ball?
21:54:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The nimscripter stuff?
21:55:19FromDiscord<hmmm> yes
21:55:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://www.jasonbeetham.com/snake/nicoscripter.html i mean you can play with this easily, otherwise use nimscripter and interop with your favourite graphics library be it drawim or nico
21:55:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That wasnt a package i was working on i was just using nimscripter in a graphics environment to test it live
21:56:35FromDiscord<hmmm> ah ok 😊
21:57:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> An example program is here https://github.com/beef331/nimscripter/blob/master/examples/macrorepl/macrorepl.nim
21:57:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://streamable.com/c6farb here it is in action
22:01:38FromDiscord<hmmm> woah this is so cool
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