| 00:03:45 | arkanoid | yes, but nimlangeserver by boing IPC and piping is wasting time that nimlsp is spending running machine code |
| 00:11:36 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/izZdGesekNgX |
| 00:12:59 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> (edit) "https://pasty.ee/esWqBBedctlG" => "https://pasty.ee/dkCofkpAKkan" |
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| 00:32:18 | FromDiscord | <leorize> that's always worked for me with nimsuggest |
| 00:32:18 | FromDiscord | <leorize> although nimsuggest will crash on the next keystroke... |
| 00:32:19 | FromDiscord | <leorize> the new protocol is really just ipc, nimlsp bypasses all that because it interface with the compiler api directly |
| 00:41:39 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> it works for you in a massive projects? The basic concept it does work for me oc, but since I started NUE I never got that working. Granted, I never really bother as I was focussed on making things just work but suggestions didnt work (they arent perfect though)↵↵It also performs partial recompilations |
| 00:43:40 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> In any case, people should use whatever they prefer. Im just pointing out a concrete example where I did see an improvement |
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| 00:51:46 | arkanoid | here nimlangserver fails to kill nimsuggest processes and also kill itself, when nimsuggest crashes it fails to cleanup and processes pile up, I end up with system filled with processes and vscode receiving input from multiple nimlangeservers. Complete disaster |
| 00:52:35 | arkanoid | this happens in hello world project, too |
| 00:55:43 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> Is not there an issue open that's actively being working on? ↵BTW if nimsuggest crashes, and you want to see an improvement, you should report it |
| 00:56:07 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> (edit) "working" => "worked" |
| 00:56:32 | arkanoid | jmgomez: https://github.com/nim-lang/langserver/issues/184 |
| 00:56:52 | arkanoid | jmgomez: https://github.com/nim-lang/vscode-nim/issues/45 |
| 00:57:26 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> In reply to @arkanoid "<@726017160115126333>: https://github.com/nim-lang/": that's the one that I said "is being worked on" |
| 00:57:32 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> where is the nimsuggest crash here? |
| 00:57:58 | arkanoid | not this one, I yet have to write the one about nimsuggest crash |
| 01:00:50 | arkanoid | the other issues are much more disruptive. Mostly if the time I end up with vscode hallucinating errors. Completion seems to work, but errors seems everywhere. "nimble build" compiles just fine. If I close, kill nimlangserver processes, restart vscode, I get proper feedback for 5 minutes, then hallucinations starts again |
| 01:01:14 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> ^^^^ |
| 01:03:03 | arkanoid | it seems to me that the extension is not behaving correctly when there are multiple nimlangserver processes running for some reason. Feels like a tab in vscode is giving feedback for another tab |
| 01:03:42 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> Im not the one looking into those issues but all I can say is I experienced in the past a similar issue in MacOs and now it's gone for the most part |
| 01:04:25 | FromDiscord | <jmgomez> (Im referring to the process not being kill, the other sounds like a config issue) |
| 01:05:01 | arkanoid | jmgomez, I'm using vscode profiles, I can start from scratch/plain vscode environment and repeat the issues |
| 01:07:10 | arkanoid | the only way I get some stability is: have settings.json and project.nimble match over a single artifact/main.nim file, have all nim files as children of that main nim file to avoid at all cost more than 1 nimlangserver process (this means NEVER open external file/documentation, I have to use external editor for that) |
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| 01:07:52 | arkanoid | if nimsuggest crashes, restart whole vscode + manual kill nimlangserser |
| 01:07:58 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Nimlsp doesn't have those issues, right? |
| 01:08:35 | arkanoid | no, nimlsp starts with vscode, honors settings.json properly, kills itself when vscode is closed |
| 01:09:23 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Neat, I'll use it next time then |
| 01:15:23 | arkanoid | Robyn, please mind that official vs-code nim extension doesn't support nimlsp but only nimlangserver, so you have to rely to other vscode extension. Sadly vscode doesn't have a generic "LSP" extension like other editors |
| 01:16:09 | arkanoid | this has a cheap presentation but works https://github.com/bung87/vscode-nim-lsp |
| 01:19:41 | arkanoid | I yet don't know why Microsoft is the inventor of LSP, but vscode doesn't come with generic LSP support https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/b9chcw/why_a_separate_lsp_client_extension_for_each/ |
| 01:19:59 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @arkanoid "Robyn, please mind that": That's fine for me! |
| 01:21:39 | arkanoid | please let me know if you find a better LSP client for vscode+nim |
| 01:23:30 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> I will if I find one aha |
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| 07:39:41 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> hello! Small announcement about pasty.ee - it will be down for a few hours today while I migrate everything to a new machine |
| 07:40:08 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> since it's one of my only public facing things on it, it will be my top priority to get up and running with as little downtime as possible |
| 07:40:25 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> giving myself a couple of hours just to be on the safe side in case something goes wrong |
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| 08:04:48 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> is there a way to check if a nim executable is running in memory or off disk? |
| 08:05:50 | FromDiscord | <odexine> "running in memory"? |
| 08:06:59 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> yes |
| 08:07:08 | FromDiscord | <griffith1deadly> what you mean |
| 08:09:46 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> like if you convert a nim executable into shellcode with donut, and run it in memory |
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| 10:12:17 | FromDiscord | <random.visitor> "running in memory" could mean a variety of things. it'd help to explain more about what you're trying to achieve / aiming to do, and the terminology you're using |
| 10:25:13 | NimEventer | New thread by nimbool: Nimble.directory has been down for a few days now, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/11075 |
| 10:51:22 | NimEventer | New thread by enaaab460: Pointer repr, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/11076 |
| 10:52:34 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Machine code is always placed on memory before executing, isn't it? |
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| 11:20:31 | NimEventer | New thread by ninovanhooff: How to use nimble develop with a fork?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/11077 |
| 11:29:36 | FromDiscord | <odexine> In reply to @demotomohiro "Machine code is always": Not in the embedded systems case of course but otherwise I believe doc |
| 11:29:40 | FromDiscord | <odexine> (edit) "doc" => "so?" |
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| 11:45:25 | FromDiscord | <whisperecean> How to fix errors like this? 'updateHandler (Async)' is not GC-safe as it calls 'genQuote'. This is from Nim 2.0.2 I believe? |
| 11:47:04 | FromDiscord | <whisperecean> also is there any lib that can make beautiful graphs (plotting) with png/jpeg output? |
| 12:07:27 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @odexine "Not in the embedded": In the embedded systems, code are read from ROM and executed, without putting them on memory to save memory usage?↵I guess embedded systems uses ROM that can be read as fast as memory. |
| 12:08:08 | FromDiscord | <odexine> In reply to @demotomohiro "In the embedded systems,": Sometimes they’re in RAM (higher end) sometimes they’re executed from flash |
| 12:09:16 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @whisperecean "How to fix errors": https://github.com/ringabout/awesome-nim?tab=readme-ov-file#plotting |
| 12:12:27 | FromDiscord | <odexine> In reply to @demotomohiro "In the embedded systems,": I don’t know if it’s “as fast” but probably fast enough |
| 12:13:28 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @odexine "Sometimes they’re in RAM": I heard raspberry pi pico execute code from flash. But I thought code are automatically placed on memory before executing them. |
| 12:13:52 | FromDiscord | <odexine> Pico runs from flash, they use XIP |
| 12:13:57 | FromDiscord | <odexine> execute in place |
| 12:15:22 | FromDiscord | <odexine> I don’t know what Arduino used |
| 12:15:25 | FromDiscord | <odexine> (edit) "used" => "uses" |
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| 12:16:38 | FromDiscord | <odexine> I think it has program memory |
| 12:18:08 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> Thank you. I didn't know that. |
| 12:20:16 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @im__cynical "is there a way": in standard modern operating systems, all executables are loaded into memory before being executed there |
| 12:21:11 | FromDiscord | <odexine> In reply to @nnsee "in standard modern operating": ~~hell, pretty much everything is kept in RAM nowadays. Caching be like~~ |
| 12:21:15 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> in fact, architecturally it's impossible to execute something "off disk", without abusiong iommu |
| 12:21:45 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> (edit) "abusiong" => "abusing the" |
| 12:26:31 | FromDiscord | <Phil> I vaguely recall some of the more sophisticated viruses basically only existing in memory and never being turned into a file |
| 12:26:53 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "viruses" => "malware" |
| 12:27:43 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> hey that's my project |
| 12:28:07 | FromDiscord | <odexine> That’s usually done with somewhat fucky methods right |
| 12:28:08 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> https://github.com/nnsee/fileless-elf-exec |
| 12:28:28 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> it was used in a cryptominer malware campaign unfortunately |
| 12:28:34 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Imagine being able to do a project in parallel to work |
| 12:28:39 | FromDiscord | <Phil> God I want my mental energy back |
| 12:29:19 | FromDiscord | <odexine> Sounds like your job ain’t too good |
| 12:30:14 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @nnsee "it was used in": https://www.wiz.io/blog/pyloose-first-python-based-fileless-attack-on-cloud-workloads this one |
| 12:30:51 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Imagine being the person behind organizing the frontend, requiring you to coordinate with 2 other devs that joined the project afterwards.↵And the deadline is April. |
| 12:31:18 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Intensity ramped up lately, which is why I'm basically a vegetable post work nowadays.↵Org. is killing me |
| 12:35:05 | FromDiscord | <odexine> In reply to @isofruit "Imagine being the person": Are these all assigned to you by work or did you take them up yourself |
| 12:35:38 | FromDiscord | <odexine> You should probably communicate about the workload if your work place is not toxic |
| 12:35:45 | FromDiscord | <Phil> There's no formal assignment. Literally everybody comes to me asking questions.↵If I don't answer them, the project basically breaks down. |
| 12:36:43 | FromDiscord | <odexine> Yes but if it’s not explicitly your responsibility it probably shouldn’t be, at least that’s what I’d say naive as I may be |
| 12:38:19 | FromDiscord | <Phil> I did. The situation I'm in is basically caused by the company fucking up when they let a couple really good people go that'd have lightened my workload |
| 12:38:41 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> sounds like it might be time to move on |
| 12:38:54 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> or at least consider it |
| 12:39:05 | FromDiscord | <Phil> What I needed was at least one other senior dev to share the load, they tried to hire one, took them 6 months longer than anticipated, on a project that was planned to have the MVP out in less than a year |
| 12:39:08 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> since having to take the responsibility of multiple people they've let go is not ok |
| 12:39:28 | FromDiscord | <odexine> I would say so too, even if I’m not a full time worker yet |
| 12:40:37 | FromDiscord | <Phil> This is less "on an existing project work was done by 3, now by 1" and more "Moved to new project on my lonesome, no idea what I was getting myself into, suddenly I realize I'm constantly coordinating and organizing more than I ever have" |
| 12:40:58 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "into," => "into because I never did greenfield commercially before," |
| 12:41:09 | FromDiscord | <odexine> That doesn’t change anything |
| 12:41:47 | FromDiscord | <Phil> It is more an explanation I guess on why it didn't occur to me until around 2 months ago or so |
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| 13:52:25 | FromDiscord | <djazz> Actually quite glad im not working as a developer any more. Coding got more fun and Nim is fun |
| 13:54:03 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> What are you working as now, then? |
| 13:54:49 | FromDiscord | <djazz> Admin |
| 13:55:35 | FromDiscord | <djazz> Booking requests etc |
| 13:56:42 | FromDiscord | <djazz> I don’t want to go back working with web dev |
| 14:08:05 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Ah yeah fair |
| 14:36:51 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Not sure what to program right now |
| 14:37:47 | FromDiscord | <expert> an AI whose sole purpose is to enslave mankind↵(@Robyn [She/Her]) |
| 14:40:32 | FromDiscord | <djazz> Average weekend project ^ |
| 14:45:19 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Pfff |
| 14:49:36 | FromDiscord | <fosster> folks, how do you pick a random element in an HashSet? |
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| 14:59:51 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> i throw dice |
| 15:03:58 | FromDiscord | <djazz> And then you write the number of the dice in the code! |
| 15:04:29 | FromDiscord | <djazz> Guaranteed to be chosen at random |
| 15:05:23 | FromDiscord | <fosster> but hash sets are not indexable, aren't they? |
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| 16:08:56 | FromDiscord | <saint._._.> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Not sure what to": How’s your chat platform going? |
| 16:10:11 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @saint._._. "How’s your chat platform": Gonna work on it once I have a working PC and I get a basic MC server done :p |
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| 16:21:55 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> do you want my old pc |
| 16:21:59 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> the one that hosts pasty |
| 16:22:01 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> currently |
| 16:22:22 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> haven't migrated yet, apparently migrating a postgres installation running on rocky to a postgres installation running on debian is... harder than i anticipated |
| 16:22:28 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1210985103958872085/image.png?ex=65ec8cc3&is=65da17c3&hm=023d7b6ef9ad3307b605f15ee22bc19585d6ff693179d6108b1e5db368122676& |
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| 16:28:02 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "do you want my": I'm assuming that's a joke :P |
| 16:28:13 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "haven't migrated yet, apparently": Rip |
| 16:28:17 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Can't just dump the db? |
| 16:28:53 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I'm assuming that's a": well no |
| 16:29:11 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> it's not the beefiest cpu, has no graphics card but has a bunch of RAM and disks in it |
| 16:29:21 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Can't just dump the": trying that now |
| 16:29:32 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> at first i tried to just migrate the PGDATA directory over but that didn't seem to work |
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| 16:32:02 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> it's literally going to be sitting collecting dust otherwise |
| 16:32:07 | FromDiscord | <nnsee> if you want i can get it shipped to you |
| 16:40:35 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> Oh huh |
| 16:40:47 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> I'll keep that in mind, but definitely not yet |
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| 16:56:07 | FromDiscord | <djazz> In reply to @fosster "but hash sets are": use map or the items iterator? |
| 17:33:11 | arkanoid | try-caching await foo() returns different e.msg() if program is compiled in debug or release |
| 17:34:34 | arkanoid | in debug, it contains an "Async traceback", just after the original message |
| 17:37:36 | arkanoid | I need to save the message defined into raised exception as-is, I don't want nim to append to that string an async traceback |
| 17:38:10 | FromDiscord | <goldenlion5648> anyone planning to try the reply challenge? (team coding contest about solving an optimization problem) https://challenges.reply.com/challenges/coding/home/ |
| 17:43:04 | arkanoid | goldenlion5648 wont touch stuff from Reply even with a very long stick |
| 17:45:22 | arkanoid | found the culprit, but don't know how to exclude https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/37ed8c84801a850b91b86f777ae2a4a2e022cd47/lib/pure/asyncfutures.nim#L348 |
| 17:49:08 | arkanoid | I have to drop wait and use yield instead |
| 17:53:22 | FromDiscord | <goldenlion5648> In reply to @arkanoid "goldenlion5648 wont touch stuff": oh what did they do? |
| 17:54:51 | arkanoid | lied to me |
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| 18:46:25 | FromDiscord | <goldenlion5648> In reply to @arkanoid "lied to me": as in you won or something and they didn't pay up? |
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| 21:28:38 | FromDiscord | <ebahi> hello, idk if this is the right place to ask but i couldn't find any other server, i was recently setting up my first website and wanted it to be secured by cloudflare and while setting up cloudflare ssl i don't seem to understand what their full (strict) method means, i tried searching online but i don't understand still. i know what it does but i don't know what i have to do for it to work, i have the pem file they gave me and that's it |
| 21:31:02 | FromDiscord | <␀ Array 🇵🇸 🍉> you could ask in #selfhosted\:matrix.org↵(@ebahi) |
| 21:31:26 | FromDiscord | <␀ Array 🇵🇸 🍉> i dont use clownflare so i cant help you |
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| 23:43:46 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> yo how do I convert a string to lpcstr |
| 23:46:44 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @im__cynical "yo how do I": What's a lpcstr? |
| 23:47:46 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "What's a lpcstr?": https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winprog/windows-data-types |
| 23:50:33 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @im__cynical "https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/win": Are you using https://github.com/khchen/winim ? |
| 23:53:36 | FromDiscord | <im__cynical> Yeah |
| 23:58:57 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> @imcynical Winim seems to do a string to lpcstr conversion automatically, so you should be able to use the string as is |
