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| 05:18:22 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @solitudesf "whats your nim version?": 2.0.8 |
| 05:32:01 | FromDiscord | <janakali> bruh, that's ancient |
| 05:39:03 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @janakali "bruh, that's ancient": got it from aur |
| 05:39:14 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> guess i will try making from source |
| 05:39:48 | Amun-Ra | use the source, Luke (sorry, I couldn't help myself) |
| 05:42:41 | FromDiscord | <janakali> @noctis0x1 You might be interested in grabnim: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/13132 |
| 05:43:53 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @Amun-Ra "use the source, Luke": the source is with me, updating to 2.2.4 (latest) fixed it |
| 05:44:15 | Amun-Ra | ;) |
| 05:44:38 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @janakali "<@1045279882499850270> You might be": used choosenim as stated in the site |
| 05:46:02 | FromDiscord | <janakali> then please read the forum post above, and then https://github.com/nim-lang/choosenim/issues/13 |
| 06:03:35 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=nzmjICxY |
| 06:06:12 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> we could still nitpick over whether these really are "one of the following Nim types" due to how importc changes their nature to no longer really make them "nim types" - if I remember it right, in the codegen, some of the integer size promotion rules in the generated C code ends up with slight differences though I don't know that it matters - it would require more extensive investigation of the internals |
| 06:07:11 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> good going anyway, we're getting closer to settling this issue |
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| 06:11:28 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/bDjJInsZ |
| 06:12:59 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> in that PR, the rust people rightly have attempted to address this jungle with a slightly more powerful but still well-defined ABI which I can see nim supporting at some point ... so much to do, so little time |
| 06:13:08 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> (edit) "in that PR, the rust people rightly have attempted to address this jungle with a slightly more powerful but still well-defined ABI ... which" added "(crabi)" |
| 06:13:30 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> (edit) "in that PR, ... the" added "someone mentions" |
| 06:18:09 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @janakali "then please read the": so i swicthed to grabnim, reinstalled nim using grabnim and the lisp stopped working |
| 06:20:43 | FromDiscord | <janakali> Did you remove all the shims choosenim installs by default?↵You can do it quickly by deleting `~/.choosenim` and `~/.nimble/bin/nim` |
| 06:27:59 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> In reply to @janakali "Did you remove all": i kept using an old terminal session , so it didnt recognize the new path 😅 |
| 06:28:07 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> fixed |
| 06:28:47 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> whats a "shim" btw |
| 06:28:52 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> (edit) "btw" => "btw?" |
| 06:32:22 | FromDiscord | <janakali> shim/proxy is a thing that provides interface to other thing↵choosenim works by creating fake nim binaries that redirect your input to some other binaries |
| 06:33:22 | FromDiscord | <janakali> @noctis0x1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shim_(computing) |
| 06:33:58 | FromDiscord | <noctis0x1> 🫡 |
| 07:11:44 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> raising awareness of issue 13, love to see it |
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| 07:56:02 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @arnetheduck "I've long wanted to": Reading your very interesting discussion here about C standards I get the distinct impression that how C has basically anything specified is... a mess to say lightly. |
| 07:56:12 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "lightly." => "lightly.↵For not very much reason too from what I can tell" |
| 07:56:19 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "In reply to @arnetheduck "I've long wanted to": Reading your very interesting discussion here about C standards I get the distinct impression that how C has basically anything specified is... a mess to say lightly.↵For not very much reason too ... fromat" added "-" | "-from what I can tell ... " added "at least" |
| 07:58:13 | FromDiscord | <leorize> C was created in the era where people haven't figured out how to build computers yet |
| 07:58:37 | FromDiscord | <leorize> so it's defined using an "abstract machine" with very loose rules |
| 07:59:12 | FromDiscord | <leorize> they're tightening it up a bit as of recent standards, though |
| 07:59:18 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @leorize "C was created in": How can you create something if you can't figure out how to create the thing needed to create it💀 |
| 07:59:27 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> Makes no sense💀 |
| 07:59:59 | FromDiscord | <leorize> it's a figure of speech, meaning that the way of the computer is not set in stone |
| 08:00:12 | FromDiscord | <leorize> we had interesting designs like a byte being 7 bits in this period |
| 08:02:04 | FromDiscord | <leorize> but fyi, the first computer program was created long before computer existed |
| 08:05:59 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Ok so noob question times: I wanna use include to break up a module into multiple files. In this case I have an object I wanna create some procs for. So in the main file for the module I define the object and after that I include the procs file; problem is, the procs file doesn’t seem to see anything from the main file |
| 08:06:18 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Am I doing it wrong or have I broken something? |
| 08:06:56 | FromDiscord | <leorize> you need to export the symbols you need to access using the `` export marker |
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| 08:07:35 | FromDiscord | <leorize> see [Export marker](https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#procedures-export-marker) |
| 08:07:43 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> I thought include just flat copied the contents of one file? Exporting is to work with imported modules no? |
| 08:08:04 | FromDiscord | <leorize> oh wait you're using `include` |
| 08:08:13 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Ya |
| 08:08:16 | FromDiscord | <leorize> have you tried compiling the file? |
| 08:08:43 | FromDiscord | <leorize> if you're using LSP, it's not unlikely for it to connect the graph wrong and not notice that a file is included elsewhere |
| 08:09:42 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> It can compile (I think?? Im having other issues) but nim check seems to flip its shit and nimsuggest kind of flip flops every other input |
| 08:10:07 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @leorize "but fyi, the first": How in the fu-💀 |
| 08:10:42 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Unless nim check doesn’t work on the included file directly, cuz it has no issues with the base file |
| 08:10:56 | FromDiscord | <leorize> that's likely the case |
| 08:11:14 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Oh ok, so pbkac |
| 08:11:44 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> And that's why we don't use nim in the real world🥱 |
| 08:12:34 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> I live in a fantasy land in which using swift would lead to issues with console support down the line and nim is the new black |
| 08:13:41 | FromDiscord | <leorize> it's a gamble you take with any niche languages |
| 08:14:11 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> I’ve been having fun fun times with the compiler somehow just flat out accepting my files even though I just filled it with actual keyboard spam so I don’t currently trust it to tell me my program is valid rn XD |
| 08:14:14 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> Realistically any language isn't full of bugs and have plenty of resources 💀 |
| 08:14:28 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @aryzen "I’ve been having fun": Fair |
| 08:15:20 | FromDiscord | <leorize> i'm jealous, the compiler usually fail with cryptic errors for me |
| 08:16:59 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> Who wrote this compiler💀 |
| 08:17:57 | FromDiscord | <leorize> he's active in #internals if you wanna complain |
| 08:18:38 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Of course if I run nim check suddenly the compiler realizes it’s not actually valid nim so idk it’s 3am and I’m probably doing something really stupid |
| 08:18:54 | FromDiscord | <leorize> when in doubt, blame all editor integrations |
| 08:19:06 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Yeah, I can’t wait for nim3 |
| 08:19:34 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> Hopefully the overhaul brings more stable tools |
| 08:20:52 | FromDiscord | <leorize> \cough\ IC \cough\ |
| 08:28:28 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @leorize "he's active in #internals": Who is he? |
| 08:28:58 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @aryzen "Hopefully the overhaul brings": And more tools |
| 08:33:36 | FromDiscord | <leorize> Araq |
| 08:34:41 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> I want two things. Obviously they aren’t small things though. One is stable LSP, and the other is debugging symbols that line up with the actual code |
| 08:35:01 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> (edit) "code" => "code/better debugging in general" |
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| 08:51:33 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> Forget all that when we getting packages that people are actually gonna maintain 💀 |
| 08:54:31 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> In reply to @devlop_gaming "Forget all that when": https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371759389889003532/1386982601570517013 |
| 08:55:04 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> In reply to @aryzen "https://discord.com/channels/371759389889003530/371": And that means what exactly? |
| 08:56:08 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> “It’s a gamble you take with niche languages”; was a joke |
| 08:59:02 | FromDiscord | <devlop_gaming> Oh? |
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| 09:46:19 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @leorize "C was created in": Curse this historical tech debt |
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| 11:41:56 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> which RPC library for nim 2.2.4 and beyond? |
| 11:43:03 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> I wish this screen would display some stats (from github?) to find which library is alive or not https://nimble.directory/search?query=rpc |
| 12:08:46 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> arkanoid\: https://nimpkgs.dayl.in/?query=rpc#/search shows the last commit for each project.↵I always use this site instead of nimble.directory |
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| 13:20:50 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> I've been meaning to improve the filtering toggles but haven't gotten around to it yet. But currently you can sort by recent commits or recently tagged versions |
| 14:00:30 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> spotlightkid\: thanks! |
| 14:01:26 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> mh, no nimble in official nim docker images? just pulled nimlang/nim\:2.2.4-alpine-slim and no nimble in it |
| 14:02:24 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> oh! wait\: Slim images include only the Nim compiler. Regular images include the compiler and Nimble package manager. |
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| 17:42:04 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bNWVEQug |
| 17:45:48 | Amun-Ra | that's how you write setters |
| 17:47:46 | FromDiscord | <aryzen> awesome! the backtick requirement is annoying though lol |
| 17:48:34 | Amun-Ra | you'll get used to it :P |
| 17:48:58 | Amun-Ra | it's needed to escape the special character = |
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| 18:50:57 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> I feel stupid, could you please explain me where are the the dockerfiles for the ubuntu variant here? https://github.com/nim-lang/docker-images/tree/develop |
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| 20:25:51 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> arkanoid\: I believe the images are actually built using this tool\: https://github.com/moigagoo/dhbp |
| 20:26:16 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> See also\: https://github.com/nim-lang-ci/docker-images-regular |
| 20:29:28 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> thank, but still don't get where it picks which version of ubuntu parent image |
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| 21:04:38 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> This workflow uses dhpb to build the images\: https://github.com/nim-lang-ci/docker-images-regular/blob/develop/.github/workflows/22x.yml↵dhbp has its own config and Dockerfile templates |
| 21:08:45 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> But, I admit, I don't fully understand the details as well. |
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| 21:14:39 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> all I know is that "nimlang/nim\:2.2.4-ubuntu-regular" is built on Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS, which reached EOL May 2025 https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle |
| 21:15:05 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> not sure if it is intended or not, I think not, because I can't read "20.04" anywhere, but I read some "latest" |
| 21:15:15 | FromDiscord | <arkanoid> which make me think that there's an issue somewhere |
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| 23:47:09 | FromDiscord | <gokr> Before dropping to bed, vibe coded 🙂 an MCP library to make MCP servers. I use Claude Code (paid for the Pro subscription which goes a long way for hobby hacking) and ... it is a super fun and capable tool: https://github.com/gokr/nimcp |
| 23:48:48 | FromDiscord | <gokr> I admit I haven't tested all bits of it - but it does work inside Claude Code itself - both spawned and used via stdin/stdout and using http. |
| 23:48:59 | FromDiscord | <0xfab_10> do we have the new nim yet I'm a bit out of touch |