<< 24-10-2023 >>
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00:07:02FromDiscord<pcarrier> I'm confused, is the problem with `var`? I'm trying to `addLast(Deque[Ref], Ref)` which seems correct?
00:11:26FromDiscord<pcarrier> I don't understand the mismatch? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1166167026855854140/image.png?ex=654980ad&is=65370bad&hm=199492ce46625968f411f7cca301ac4a54578802865b06d2360d403df46721e6&
00:12:22FromDiscord<leorize> vm is immutable
00:12:31FromDiscord<leorize> use `vm: var VM`
00:13:22FromDiscord<pcarrier> ah, of course, thanks
00:37:47FromDiscord<pcarrier> oh joy, another `Uncaught RuntimeError: memory access out of bounds`
00:37:59FromDiscord<pcarrier> no `release`/`danger` flags
00:38:49FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "bounds`" => "bounds`. no `release`/`danger` flags"
00:39:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's not A nim error
00:41:56Amun-RaI have a fresh one: basic_types.nim(46, 16) Error: internal error: symbol has no generated name: true
00:42:10Amun-RaI have to check what's causing it
00:50:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Macro?
00:50:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Template?
00:52:25Amun-RaI don't know yet :/
00:53:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Are you using them
00:53:14FromDiscord<pcarrier> I'd like to embed the build time in my binary. any suggestions?↵`const builtAt = now().utc` ->↵`/usr/lib/nim/pure/times.nim(1388, 6) Error: cannot evaluate at compile time: localInstance`
00:54:32Amun-Rayes
00:55:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#CompileTime
00:55:57Amun-Rait's js backend so it's probably my fault
00:56:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well likely one of your template/macros are causing an issue
00:56:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JNC
01:01:33Amun-Rahmm
01:02:15Amun-Rayou're right, it's one of templates
01:12:25Amun-Rano, I have a few const seq of objects and one const seq of all of them concatenated together with &; accessing individual seqs works fine, accessing joined one fails
01:14:14Amun-Raone of them fails
01:27:34Amun-Rafound it, it's that type of iterator, that fails: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JNF
01:29:42FromDiscord<pcarrier> can I pass a flag through `nimble build` onto config.nims to condition some of my config?
01:30:41Amun-Ra-d
01:32:25FromDiscord<pcarrier> and how would I access whether it's set in config.nims?
01:34:20FromDiscord<pcarrier> In reply to @Elegantbeef "That's not A nim": well, call it an emscripten or a Nim error, but it's a runtime error as far as I'm concerned 🙂 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1166187887075786812/image.png?ex=6549941b&is=65371f1b&hm=dc98f7795193254221850aa5cce02922c3aff8ed56d1dd17b5fcb20fdae0759e&
01:34:41FromDiscord<pcarrier> can I avoid the destructors getting called when main() returns?
01:38:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Any reference that exits the runtime you can `GcRef` to keep it alive
01:42:06FromDiscord<pcarrier> well that sounds frustratingly error-prone
01:42:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well you're giving up resources
01:43:04FromDiscord<pcarrier> yes and no. I don't want `main` to run any destructors because I have a bunch of `let` things that need to be available after `main` returns...
01:43:19FromDiscord<pcarrier> it's a weirdness of emscripten for sure
01:44:01FromDiscord<pcarrier> but I basically don't want my globals ever destroyed
01:44:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You likely want to do `noMain` then just manually call `NimMain` inside your own "main"
01:45:52FromDiscord<pcarrier> I don't have a main that doesn't return either
01:46:04FromDiscord<pcarrier> I want to give control back to the JS environment so that it can call me later
01:46:15FromDiscord<pcarrier> maybe I misunderstand what you're proposing
01:47:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You practically need to do the same as a dynlib
01:48:21FromDiscord<pcarrier> got a guiide for that? 😄
01:48:27FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "guiide" => "guide"
01:48:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sadly not
01:51:03FromDiscord<pcarrier> and there isn't some magic incantation I could put in my main body that would somehow end execution of `main` without calling destructors?
01:51:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I don't know if the `--app:lib` works with `dynlib`
01:51:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Something like that should work
01:51:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JNH
01:52:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sorry `--app:lib` works with emcc/emscripten
01:53:51FromDiscord<pcarrier> oh my it's like magic
01:56:05FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JNI
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02:57:01FromDiscord<pcarrier> any idea what's wrong here? is [] not a thing on maps? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1166208696217522207/image.png?ex=6549a77c&is=6537327c&hm=f76c637a222893245d1c270cc6b67faca376251f9314527ae661df9b578e9c27&
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04:23:11FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JO4
04:29:40FromDiscord<pcarrier> also, with `app:lib`, is it possible my "main" is reexecuted every time I call a function?
04:30:10FromDiscord<leorize> no
04:30:32FromDiscord<pcarrier> ok
04:44:05FromDiscord<pcarrier> well something weird is happening
04:44:19FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JO7
04:44:28FromDiscord<pcarrier> somehow execution stops silently at `let found = ctx.map[r]`
04:46:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> does `map[r]` have anything that might be blocking?
04:47:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> By that I mean does it call anything in JS land that might make it stop
04:47:23FromDiscord<pcarrier> it doesn't call JS
04:48:36FromDiscord<pcarrier> `let VMs = @[initVM()]; let vm = VMs[0]; vm.foo` <--- I think this copies VMs[0] every time. what should I tweak to avoid that?
04:49:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> what type is `VMs[0]`?
04:49:08FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "`let VMs = @[initVM()]; ... letvm.foo" added "proc … {" | "vm.foo`" => "vm.foo }`" | "this" => "calling …"
04:49:14FromDiscord<pcarrier> `VM`
04:49:31FromDiscord<pcarrier> should I switch to a `ref`?
04:49:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You could
04:49:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you want to do unsafe code you also could do `let vm = Vms[0]`
04:49:49FromDiscord<pcarrier> what else could I do? 🙂
04:50:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or you could use a `template vm(): Vm = Vms[0]`
04:50:16FromDiscord<pcarrier> I don't see the difference between `let vm = Vms[0]` and what I do now
04:50:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sorry
04:50:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `let vm = Vms[0].addr`
04:54:14FromDiscord<pcarrier> I can't do $vm on that, how do I dereference?
04:54:47FromDiscord<pcarrier> oh []
04:54:52FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "oh [] ... " added "sorry"
04:58:27FromDiscord<pcarrier> pointers work, thanks
04:59:01FromDiscord<pcarrier> ha `SUMMARY: AddressSanitizer: null-pointer-dereference (formicid.wasm+0x9e8a2) in eqeq_form_u64+0x9e8a2`
04:59:53FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JOa
04:59:53FromDiscord<pcarrier> I don't get it
05:00:42FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "I ... don't" added "again"
05:04:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is `form` a ref type?
05:04:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also you do not need `return case lhs.kind`
05:04:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can just have `case lhs.kind`
05:05:24FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JOc
05:05:33FromDiscord<pcarrier> Form is not a ref type, Ref is a ref Form
05:06:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `lhs.isNil and rhs.isNil or (lhs[] == rhs[])`?
05:06:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sorry `(lhs.isNil and rhs.isNil) or lhs[] == rhs[]`
05:07:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Don't recall the order here but you might not need `()` at all
05:07:19FromDiscord<pcarrier> when in doubt, keep both sets of parens 😉
05:07:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I just like grouping conditions 😄
05:07:43FromDiscord<pcarrier> when not in doubt, someone else might doubt 🙂
05:08:11FromDiscord<pcarrier> OK onto the next NPE
05:08:19FromDiscord<pcarrier> damn I'm getting a lot of NPEs
05:11:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Refs are bad 😄
05:12:29FromDiscord<pcarrier> so I know I have a ref to a symbol rot in my map
05:12:47FromDiscord<pcarrier> yet looking up another ref to a symbol rot doesn't return it
05:13:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you're using Nim's hash function for refs in a table it accesses based of pointer address
05:13:52FromDiscord<pcarrier> I've implemented `hash` and `==`
05:14:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So just cause `a == b` does not mean `map[a] == map[b]`
05:14:00FromDiscord<pcarrier> do I need to do more?
05:14:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Then your hash function is wrong
05:14:52FromDiscord<pcarrier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JOd
05:14:57FromDiscord<pcarrier> I don't see how that'd be wrong
05:15:17FromDiscord<pcarrier> (in this case I'm looking up a `Sym`)
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05:33:01FromDiscord<pcarrier> nope, I was stupid
05:34:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you keep saying that soon we'll just imagine a puddle of drool talking to us
05:35:28FromDiscord<pcarrier> I mean... I was putting strings instead of symbols in my symbol map
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07:02:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I should experiment with a new style of programming hm
07:03:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Go play with mn or min and blow your mind
07:04:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wdym, how will it change anything- By style I mean how the code is formatted
07:05:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I am now putting `# -----` between the spaces of functions
07:08:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hm... Not sure how I should model types now tbh
07:08:50FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Specifically the user, since I also need to support OAuth-backed accounts
07:47:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Moving on to slowly implementing the beginning parts of the chat platform
08:01:06FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Is there a way to tell `unittest` to compile a particular test using a particular compiler?
08:01:19FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Or, hell, tell nimble to do that?
08:02:17Amun-Rayou can write custom test task for that
08:02:23Amun-Rabut testament can do that
08:07:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You are using comments for spaces? Interesting↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
08:13:19FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Between proc/func defs
08:14:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems redundant
08:15:43FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JOF
08:15:50FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Why is gcc being used if I told Nim to use clang?
08:17:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Seems redundant": Makes it easier to see where a new proc starts and ends imo
08:19:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do you use a lot of local procedures?
08:24:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah?
08:26:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well there's your problem
08:28:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Need it for api shit tho
08:30:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I rarely ever uses local procs, atleast if I can avoid it 😄
08:33:24FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair but eh
09:05:35Amun-Raxtrayambak: what's the full invocation look like?
09:05:43Amun-Raargh
09:06:23FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@498088092406644736>: what's the full": `nim cpp --cc:clang tests/fuzzurl.nim`
09:07:32Amun-Ra(excuse my english, I slept 3h for the third day in a row)
09:08:14Amun-Raxtrayambak: hmm, works for me, do you have clang++ installed?
09:08:52Amun-Ratry to increase verbosity (--verbosity=2)
09:09:30FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Yeah, let me do that rq
09:12:56Amun-Rayou can force the compiler/linker and check the result: nim cpp --cc:clang --gcc.exe=clang++ --gcc.linkerexe=clang++ tests/fuzzurl.nim
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09:13:40Amun-Ra(--clang.exe, etc.)
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09:47:47FromDiscord<pcarrier> any reason Deques aren't sink seq[T]?
09:47:52FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "any reason Deques aren't sink seq[T]? ... " added "could I make them so?"
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10:01:31FromDiscord<pcarrier> and can't iterate over the items in reverse order 😦
10:02:16FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "order" => "order. unfortunate"
10:02:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @pcarrier "and can't iterate over": `std/algorithm` has the `reversed` proc to return a reversed seq
10:02:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> /array
10:02:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Or you could use `reverse` for in-place reversal of a list
10:03:22FromDiscord<pcarrier> in this case I want to prepend it to another deque
10:03:49FromDiscord<pcarrier> and deques have a seq internally, but they're not seq themselves
10:04:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @pcarrier "in this case I": Couldn't you merge the seqs together internally?
10:04:33FromDiscord<pcarrier> I'm not inside stdlib
10:04:49FromDiscord<pcarrier> (edit) "stdlib" => "std/deques, so... don't think so?"
10:05:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `data` is exported
10:05:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Nvm it isn't
10:05:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Even still, `privateAccess` from `std/importutils`
10:05:58FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> But is there a reason why `addFirst`/`addLast` couldn't work?
10:08:28FromDiscord<pcarrier> it would. but if I have [a,b,c] and I addFirst them in order to [d,e,f], I'll end up with [c,b,a,d,e,f]
10:40:54FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @pcarrier "it would. but if": Could use `for i in [a, b, c].reverse()`?
10:41:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Or:
10:42:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JPa
12:08:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> How do I generate an OpenAPI schema with Prologue? Anyone know?
12:08:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Do I have to write it myself or?
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12:20:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Okay yeah I need to write it myself rip
12:20:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> May see if I can automate that a bit tho hm...
12:43:23FromDiscord<ayex> yep, that would be awesome if it was possible to get it generated.. 🤔
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13:29:39FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> opinion: what operator combination makes sense to you for accessing one of the fields of a union?
13:30:27FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> considering `%>`, but maybe there is a better one
13:31:13FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "`%>`," => "`floatField %> 0.5'f`,"
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13:34:23FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> `field .: value` looks kinda neat too
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14:37:36FromDiscord<pmunch> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "How do I generate": Nim would be quite perfect for this honestly. I've had it on my list of stuff to do if I ever implement a web framework in Nim.
14:38:10FromDiscord<pmunch> That being said I'm not sure if any of the existing web frameworks generate a spec like that
14:40:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah fair, I think this can be implemented easily tbh
14:43:04FromDiscord<user2m> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4JQd
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15:00:24FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @user2m "Hey guys so I'm": That is correct.↵By writing this, you're basically just telling the nim compiler "This proc exists, and it is in this DLL".↵DLLs typically are on your path
15:00:26FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "In reply to @user2m "Hey guys so I'm": That is correct.↵By writing this, you're basically just telling the nim compiler "This proc exists, and it is in this DLL".↵DLLs typically are on your path ... " added "afaik"
15:01:02FromDiscord<Phil> Or a path where DLLs reside rather. I'd need to google it but I faintly recall there being one for Linux and I think for windows it was multiple options (?)
15:01:38FromDiscord<Phil> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4JQq
15:06:39FromDiscord<user2m> In reply to @isofruit "Or a path where": I thought dll's were windows speciifc?
15:07:55FromDiscord<user2m> looks like mingw is where the file is located `C:\msys64\mingw64\include`
15:08:28FromDiscord<Phil> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4JQv
15:08:49FromDiscord<Phil> so for shared object IIRC
15:08:55FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "so" => ""so"" | "shared object" => ""shared object""
15:11:12FromDiscord<Phil> Generally these article from him in general is a good read regarding understanding C and how it interacts with nim.↵There's also: https://internet-of-tomohiro.netlify.app/nim/gccguide.en
15:11:50FromDiscord<user2m> In reply to @isofruit "Generally these article from": this looks good thankyou!
15:12:02FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "these" => "this"
15:14:31FromDiscord<user2m> @Phil wow this is really helpful!!!
15:14:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In pragmas, I'm assuming whatever pragma is written first, is what executes first?
15:14:47FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @user2m "<@180601887916163073> wow this is": Thank demotomohiro, I was just the link provider 😄
15:15:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> So `{.myPragma, async.}` would run `myPragma` first?
15:15:11FromDiscord<user2m> @demotomohiro your guide is great!
15:15:43FromDiscord<leorize> yes↵(@Chronos [She/Her])
15:16:14FromDiscord<leorize> well, sorta
15:16:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Sorta?
15:16:50FromDiscord<leorize> so it will be splitted into `async: (myPragma: (proc))`
15:17:06FromDiscord<leorize> if async is untyped, then it will run first
15:18:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah
15:18:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hm...
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15:32:23FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @user2m "<@288750616510201856> your guide is": I'm glad it helped you.
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16:11:30FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Any Emacs users here? How did you get LSP working? Which one did you use (eglot, lsp-mode, company, etc.) and can you please share an example?
16:58:34FromDiscord<meowfemboy> In reply to @user2m "Hey guys so I'm": Not sure if it's relevant to you or not but printf isn't necessarily a function. For example with visual studio it and some others like scanf have been inlined for some time.
17:00:22FromDiscord<meowfemboy> In the case of visual studio if you wanted the old function you could use legacy_stdio_definitions.lib
17:00:35Amun-Rainlining printf sounds expensive
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17:48:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Should I make it so the root url of my web server can be changed by the config? Or can stuff like Nginx and Apache handle that for me?
18:07:24FromDiscord<Grahf> What's something I can make in Nim to try and learn it? Please ignore if bad questions
18:09:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @Grahf "What's something I can": Simple thing to start with is just a few things like rock paper scissors for example
18:09:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Maybe something to complete small tasks?
18:11:10FromDiscord<Grahf> I definitely have a rock paper scissors javascript program I could try to covert to Nim
18:13:42Amun-Raand then recompile it to js target :)
18:59:07FromDiscord<raynei486> In reply to @Grahf "What's something I can": games are always nice
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19:12:59FromDiscord<ntzeno> In reply to @Grahf "What's something I can": prime number generator
19:14:35FromDiscord<ntzeno> collatz conjecture also works
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19:46:14FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Anyone know what prologue uses for logging?
20:55:49FromDiscord<raynei486> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Anyone know what prologue": at a quick glance it seems to use `std/logging` https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1166480183491043490/image.png?ex=654aa453&is=65382f53&hm=8b7d1363266ddbfdc80c3397db78399913c150aea67669055c03c0aa8700952b&
20:56:15FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah
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22:26:43FromDiscord<.bobbbob> how would you get an attribute from an object using a string or other variable, like python getattr
22:27:09FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @.bobbbob "how would you get": Dynamically? You can't, really
22:27:19FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Unless you want to do it at compile time
22:27:59FromDiscord<.bobbbob> pshhh no way
22:31:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @.bobbbob "pshhh no way": If you explain what you want, I may be able to help better?
22:39:31FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> @.bobbbob
22:41:25FromDiscord<.bobbbob> yeah Im looking through the std lib and not seeing anything, I can use an enum with a case statement for it instead
22:41:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> If you explain your usecase, a better solution could be provided perhaps?
22:43:10FromDiscord<.bobbbob> basically a sequence of objects, and the user can say at runtime what attribute they want to search in the sequence, and it'll return the objects that match
22:44:00FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair
22:44:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Well, I wish you good luck!
22:45:02FromDiscord<.bobbbob> its not bad, its just something like getattr would make it like 3 lines
22:46:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeah understandable, I also originally came from Python aha
22:46:54FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> The typing threw me off originally, but imo it's the best part about Nim
22:52:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Does anyone have any resources on how I'd utilise Atlas for dev? I feel like it'd be beneficial for me
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