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03:37:36GitDisc<Asmoaesl> is this official?
03:37:45GitDisc<Asmoaesl> or at least the "main" one
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03:46:08FromGitter<zetashift> yes welcome!
04:07:35GitDisc<Asmoaesl> great, cool
04:07:50GitDisc<Asmoaesl> and does Nim have a project manager like Cargo for Rust, or Dub for D?
04:15:39GitDisc<treeform> it has nimble, its a packaged manager though not a project manager
04:16:06GitDisc<treeform> Cargo is the Rust package manager
04:16:52GitDisc<treeform> project manager is a profession, not a tool?
04:17:39GitDisc<treeform> it has nimble, its a package manager though not a project manager
04:25:41FromGitter<zetashift> @Asmodoael: yeah you're probably looking for nimble: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble it just had an nice update! And to browse the available packages check: https://nimble.directory/
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04:38:48GitDisc<treeform> what whas the update?
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05:09:39FromGitter<zetashift> @treeform: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/commit/6a2da5627c029460f6f714a44f5275762102fa4b
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08:41:05Araq" pointer into the original data and a length" ... sooo, a cache miss?
08:41:29Araqdoesn't sound fast to me, you can easily reuse the token buffer
08:41:42Araqand then you can handle files bigger than 4GB too
08:42:14Araqsince you can stream instead of mmap'ing stuff
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12:09:54FromGitter<tim-st> When I have a rune that takes two or more indices `x1,x2,...`, can I call `runeAt` at one of these `x1,x2,...` and always get the same rune?
12:10:20FromGitter<tim-st> my first test shows that could work
12:13:48FromGitter<tim-st> Ok, was wrong, it doesnt work :\
12:15:24FromGitter<tim-st> oh, it works, sry for the trouble, it was difficult to see in vs code terminal..
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12:18:54dom96So it looks like we have an SSL regression.
12:20:22FromGitter<nitely> @tim-st mmh, generally no. If it does, it's only by chance
12:21:21FromGitter<tim-st> ok, interesting, I tested it for `»`
12:23:21FromGitter<nitely> try a Japanese character
12:25:16FromGitter<tim-st> thanks, your right!
12:25:17FromGitter<tim-st> echo "«".runeAt(0) == "«".runeAt(1) ⏎ echo "こ".runeAt(0) == "こ".runeAt(1)
12:25:22FromGitter<tim-st> true, false
12:26:02FromGitter<tim-st> would be an interesting information as proc description
12:33:43FromGitter<mratsim> @PMunch, someone has issues with your package: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3578
12:41:45dom96wtf
12:41:51dom96how is that person's git failing with the same error
12:44:03federico3dom96: SSL regression already?
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12:44:22dom96looks like it
12:44:34dom96on macOS at least
12:44:46dom96This fails https://gist.github.com/dom96/83f64faeaf9269bdd5a5624ad4d1ce03
12:46:10federico3but... was the cert check merged?
12:50:44Yardanico:D it wasn't
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12:52:38dom96hmmmm
12:54:22dom96that's a bit annoying
12:54:32dom96Nim doesn't pass environment vars to the binary when using `-r`
12:54:50dom96So I did `export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/opt/openssl/lib` and it wasn't passed -.-
12:55:55dom96Okay, so no regression after all
12:56:06dom96I think I will improve the error message though
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13:18:41dom96ugh...
13:18:56dom96Nim complaining that the procs have an unlisted effect: RootEffect...
13:19:47dom96I thought I reported an issue for that already
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13:35:33dom96Hopefully this will help people out: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/1975998c566d2235cad216b2addb2246b8ee95f0
13:37:27Yardanicowhat are these error codes?
13:37:46dom96They're magical
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13:42:07dom96They're in the error message (but in hex)
14:00:19Araqwhats up?
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14:29:02dom96hrm, did we decide what to do with TaintedString in the end?
14:37:23dom96I think in the end we might have to make some more breaking changes in future releases before v1 happens
14:37:46dom96concentrating it all in v0.18.0 was nice in theory, but there is only so much you can do before you need to release it
14:39:59AraqI think TaintedString is fine the way it is
14:53:02dom96Araq: Perhaps it would be worth looking into this: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7257
14:53:33dom96It's blocking one of my PRs which fix something in the stdlib (in a breaking change way)
14:53:51dom96But like I said, we can hold off some of these until the release after 0.18.0
14:58:04AraqI think it lists this because it can have the RootEffect
14:59:03Araqnot every effect is an IOEffect so why would your explicit listing affect the error message?
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15:00:25dom96Well what about the PR issue?
15:00:36dom96https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/7229#issuecomment-366759766
15:01:15Araqsame explanation?
15:01:59dom96I don't understand
15:02:12dom96Please read what I've written and point out my misunderstanding
15:02:30dom96Maybe my assumption about how inheritance interacts with effects is wrong?
15:03:00Araqyes, you have it backwards
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15:03:30Araqwhen I say 'effects: ReadDirEffect' then it can have a Read dir effect or some inherited effect
15:03:56Araqbut IOEffect is not a subtype of ReadDirEffect
15:04:13Araqyou claim it only reads from dirs
15:04:28Araqthe compiler tells you that it might read from other IO sources.
15:05:14AraqI don't know what else to say. it's quite intuitive IMO
15:05:20dom96That doesn't seem intuitive at all to me
15:05:43dom96ReadDirEffect implies ReadIOEffect
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15:05:56Araqit's a specialization.
15:06:15dom96If you're reading from a directory then you are also performing read IO
15:06:33dom96What is the point of inheritance at all here?
15:06:44Araqproc foo() {.tags: [ReadDirEffect].} = let x = readFile()
15:07:05Araqby your logic that should compile?
15:07:08Araqit lies.
15:07:33Araqit reads the contents of a file!
15:07:46dom96No, because readFile is presumably tagged ReadFileEffect
15:07:58Araqthe point of inheritance is that it works the other way round
15:08:00dom96But I guess that doesn't exist
15:08:12Araqyou can say IOEffect and be done with it.
15:10:12dom96So I have to go over every proc and add ReadIOEffect because osLastError now is tagged with it
15:10:28Araqyeah you shouldn't have done this
15:10:38Araq.sideEffect should be good enough
15:11:02AraqosLastError really doesn't have a ReadIOEffect
15:11:23Araqall it does is that it accesses a thread local var
15:11:55dom96It seems to me that 'sideEffect' and 'tags' should be merged
15:12:22dom96osLastError not having any tagged effects doesn't seem right
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15:16:07AraqsideEffect is a misnomer but apart from that it's fine
15:16:35AraqsideEffect means "accesses global"
15:18:14dom96okay, I fixed the PR https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/7229
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15:32:06FromGitter<tim-st> is that normal that when my first proc echos 4 lines to debug, and the next proc raises, that the stack traces is between the second and the third echo of the first proc?
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15:33:40FromGitter<tim-st> or does this depend on the editors console?
15:34:26FromGitter<tim-st> yes, that was the reason, so no error here ;)
15:34:29GitDisc<treeform> Does it doe that in a real console? Maybe your editor reads stdout and stderr differently some how?
15:35:04FromGitter<tim-st> in vs code real native windows terminal it works good I just found out, in the unicode supporting vs code terminal it doesnt
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16:21:31GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> Dom, Ireland may have beaten us in Rugby, but we're still the better country 😉
16:22:54GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> Dom, Ireland may have beaten us in Rugby, but Wales is still the better country 😉
16:31:44GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> Can Nim be used in placement of C for things like writing OS's, drivers and so on?
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16:42:49dom96lol
16:43:03dom96yes it can
16:44:50livcdWould be interesting to see an os for IoT in Nim
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16:48:25GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> Cheers Dom, 2 more days till my book arrives, can't wait
16:53:43federico3livcd: what's an "OS for IoT" exactly?
16:55:08livcdfederico3: idk something that your fridge runs on ?
16:59:59GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> HHahaha
17:00:06GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> FridgeOS
17:00:40GitDisc<ethanpmorgan> I'm such a child to find that funny, excuse my immaturity 😄
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19:16:08FromGitter<Varriount> ToasterOS
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20:03:37FromGitter<zetashift> seems people are really liking what Nim has to offer but have concerns about stability: https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/7zmpld/is_nim_ready_for_godot/
20:03:44FromGitter<zetashift> how would one calm these worries?
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20:19:20FromGitter<mratsim> Well it’s like getting your first client, first date or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ At one point you need someone who dives in and says that the water is warm.
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21:02:21shashlickThought on stability - #head is almost always passing all tests. The only stability challenging thing is existing and new bugs, and breaking changes. You cannot do much about bugs besides fixing them over time. The only thing you have control over is minimizing breaking changes
21:05:59dom96zetashift: thanks for that link
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21:29:08GitDisc<spaceghost> dom96: I'm working on a IoT libretro-based start to what I hope to evolve to a unikernel somewhat like a rumprun kernel.
21:30:58dom96spaceghost: awesome, what will you use this kernel for?
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22:06:39FromGitter<zetashift> spaceghost that sounds awesome
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