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| 03:41:14 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> and and and |
| 03:41:31 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> too many ands, when its just 1 behavior 🤷♂️ |
| 04:47:03 | FromDiscord | <Baboozo> $$↵\\int\_{0}^{\\infty} e^{-x^2} dx = \\frac{\\sqrt{\\pi}}{2}↵$$ |
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| 05:42:37 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "too many ands, when": Eh, it's not really much considering it's probably 3 scripts in total for 2 lines of code each |
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| 07:10:20 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> Is there a way to make different binaries in a Nimble project be compiled with different backends? (E.g, using the C++ backend for `bin_a` and the C backend for `bin_b`) |
| 07:12:53 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> Have you tried using a custom .cfg or .nims for each module that set the backend? |
| 07:13:37 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> In reply to @nasuray "Have you tried using": Huh, I haven't. I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 07:16:35 | Amun-Ra | xtrayambak: you can add a task to nimble file |
| 07:18:42 | Amun-Ra | something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=LpmBBhhw |
| 07:19:09 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> yeah I just went with nasu's solution for now |
| 07:20:50 | FromDiscord | <xtrayambak> (edit) "now" => "now, thanks tho" |
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| 07:46:07 | Amun-Ra | no worries |
| 08:00:03 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> Is there any good documentation or best practice for forward declaration and cyclic dependencies? I have an object with procs that are called in a callback in another module, and really struggling to get the imports and so on done correctly. |
| 08:04:21 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> Or maybe I just need to start using `include` and just stuff everything in the same file |
| 08:08:43 | FromDiscord | <Zoom> That doesn't solve either of the problems.↵(@.tokyovigilante) |
| 08:09:35 | FromDiscord | <Zoom> Separate type decl into its own module first |
| 08:10:27 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=QflamWDR |
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| 08:22:01 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> If I declare my type in its own module, then I need to export every member. Is that intended? Not ideal for encapsulation |
| 08:47:28 | Amun-Ra | let's set you store it all in mytypes.nim |
| 08:47:41 | Amun-Ra | and in the other module you just write: import mytypes; export mytypes |
| 08:47:51 | Amun-Ra | let' say* |
| 08:51:14 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=MyvOAeTF |
| 08:52:41 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=TxhZgAgh |
| 08:53:07 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=jQcRTcpo" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ZIfbECtI" |
| 08:56:00 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> Obviously contrived but the actual `CallbackWrapper` type comes from the C API I'm integrating with and ideally I'm trying to encapsulate that all away from the rest of my app |
| 08:59:15 | FromDiscord | <.tokyovigilante> And I would have thought forward declaring `proc method()` was sufficient to make it visible to `callbackFunc`, reinforced by the fact that its not actually a crash but an error in the generated C. The Nim compiler seems to accept it |
| 09:24:37 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "Eh, it's not really": that is 3x the code maintainment for something that can be done natively with a simple app |
| 09:25:53 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> imagine you change one... no, can't, you need to change all 3↵wait, but ps can't do that... oh F, just wasted 3h dealing with some nonsense...↵enter: binary app. All of the above never happens |
| 09:26:39 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> Talking from experience, already walked the talk and it was such a pain that I ended up never supporting windows to not deal with the nonsense 🤷♂️ |
| 09:27:56 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> and this is for a simple `clone, patch, script.sh` task↵anything beyond that is just unfeasible to maintain on the long term |
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| 10:46:34 | FromDiscord | <gokr> Idiotic question: Didn't the compiler earlier report how many lines it processed? Can't seem to see that, even with verbosity 3 |
| 10:47:31 | FromDiscord | <odexine> It did back in 1.x |
| 10:47:40 | FromDiscord | <odexine> Not sure whether you can set it now |
| 10:48:21 | FromDiscord | <gokr> Discussing the compilation times with the lead dev of ORX. I have always felt Nim compiles really fast - but... I realize different people have different views on that topic |
| 11:05:10 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @gokr "Discussing the compilation times": depends heavily on the backend. that alone could explain the pov↵if you build/ffi with cpp libraries, it can be a slog. with c only its as fast as C almost |
| 11:05:49 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> the nim part itself is a fraction of the process. linking takes the biggest blame, i'm sure |
| 11:05:50 | FromDiscord | <gokr> I also guess how much (and complex?) macros you compile |
| 11:05:58 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> that also, true |
| 11:06:35 | FromDiscord | <gokr> Personally I feel Nim compiles really fast - especially since it doesn't recompile all dependencies |
| 11:07:16 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> i think so too myself |
| 11:07:30 | FromDiscord | <gokr> Oddly enough it did report how many lines it processed when I compiled my server part - but it did NOT do it when I compiled the game part. Super weird. |
| 11:07:31 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> but I never build an entire game engine or something similar, only portions of it |
| 11:07:56 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> built |
| 11:09:30 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> as a big project reference, the entire compiler bootstrap process takes about 2-3min on my old-ass machine |
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| 14:07:49 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "and this is for": for those i understand, but for zigcc, not so much :p |
| 14:17:00 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "for those i understand,": I don't follow what you mean |
| 14:58:23 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> as in, making three variants of a script for `zigcc` isn't a problem, for making scripts related to building code, then i get your point |
| 15:04:00 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "as in, making three": wkat |
| 15:04:07 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> (edit) "wkat" => "whoops, editing" |
| 15:05:06 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> In reply to @battery.acid.bubblegum "as in, making three": what do you do if you have to then have to provide an installer for the tool that manages zigcc↵its duplicated now. you need to support two layers of complexity |
| 15:06:57 | FromDiscord | <heysokam> your solution is fine for experienced developers that just run a local tool be done with it↵it doesn't work beyond that at all. specially maintaining that is a PITA, even if its just 50 -100sloc. its still platform-dependent code, which is always brittle |
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| 15:13:41 | FromDiscord | <wertyu4566> hi how could i build a discord bot using nim is it even possible? |
| 15:14:21 | madprops | it's possible |
| 15:14:48 | madprops | https://github.com/krisppurg/dimscord |
| 15:15:32 | FromDiscord | <lainlaylie> you can probably make a discord bot in any language that lets you do http requests |
| 15:16:51 | FromDiscord | <leorize> you're looking at one |
| 15:17:47 | FromDiscord | <krissh.wtf> In reply to @lainlaylie "you can probably make": real https://github.com/concurrentfutures/bashcord |
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| 15:58:58 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @heysokam "what do you do": Why would I need to do that exactly? |
| 17:24:26 | FromDiscord | <z1r343l2> For proper discord bots you also need a gateway connection tho |
| 17:24:34 | FromDiscord | <z1r343l2> But depends a lot on what you want to do ngl |
| 17:26:05 | FromDiscord | <z1r343l2> how bout bimscord |
| 17:26:13 | FromDiscord | <z1r343l2> \dimscord |
| 17:27:46 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Is there any docs on nimvm ? |
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| 18:06:44 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @z1r343l2 "For proper discord bots": netcat |
| 18:11:25 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> question, when using strformat, how come the compiler cant see object field access errors? |
| 18:11:37 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> ie it crashes at runtime that is |
| 18:13:37 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> object field access errors? |
| 18:13:53 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The actual VM or the `nimvm` magic?↵(@Clonkk) |
| 18:19:47 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> In reply to @Elegantbeef "object field access errors?": hm well im trying to make an example but a simple example isnt doing it, hold on |
| 18:20:06 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Are you by any chance using an object variant? |
| 18:20:14 | madprops | https://github.com/farzher/fuzzysort |
| 18:20:19 | Amun-Ra | you beat me to it |
| 18:20:25 | Amun-Ra | I mean the Beef |
| 18:21:03 | madprops | your beef was beaten |
| 18:21:14 | madprops | beaten by beef* |
| 18:21:24 | Amun-Ra | :P |
| 18:21:33 | Amun-Ra | he beef me to it |
| 18:22:09 | Amun-Ra | either it's wrong branch in tagged union or hmm… null dereference? |
| 18:24:37 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Are you by any": yes, I had though it was a field that didnt exist at all but I think I was misremembering |
| 19:15:28 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> In reply to @Elegantbeef "The actual VM or": I'm essentially trying to get some AST manipulation done at runtime so I was thinking either I could accomplish that with an interpreter or through JIT compilation (I think NLVM has that?) |
| 19:20:46 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can use the NimVM to use macros at runtime but it of course does not allow you to do a whole lot |
| 19:21:28 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/beef331/nimscripter/tree/master/examples/macrorepl this little toy allows runtime outputting of macros using nimscripter |
| 19:21:36 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Well, that's what I'm trying to look into. What would the limitation of it |
| 19:21:51 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You cannot do anything the VM cannot do |
| 19:22:00 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> So no low level logic, no ffi(unless you compile with libffi enabled) |
| 19:22:38 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> But if I have native Nim code (no FFI, no impure stdlib usage), then it should be fine |
| 19:22:43 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> The NimVM is like if someone moved your furniture ever so slightly around your house, you can get throw there but you're likely to stub your toe on every single corner |
| 19:22:45 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> What's libffi? |
| 19:23:17 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> libffi is a optional dependency of the NimVm which allows `importc` to work inside the VM |
| 19:24:57 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Interesting, is there compiler docs on that or do I have to go through the code directly |
| 19:25:42 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Have you tried nlvm JIT compilation thing |
| 19:25:42 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/9253 this is it really |
| 19:25:49 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> Nope |
| 19:26:00 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I'd rather just use wasm and compile modules for that |
| 19:28:24 | FromDiscord | <Clonkk> Is there any preferred or Official wasm backend? I haven't followed development on this for a while |
| 19:29:05 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> I just use emcc |
| 19:41:38 | FromDiscord | <threefour> Is there a way to define custom pragmas, or are they all compiler magic? |
| 19:47:39 | FromDiscord | <leorize> now you can use `{.custom.}` |
| 19:47:39 | FromDiscord | <leorize> create a `template custom() {.pragma.}` |
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| 21:50:20 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> In reply to @threefour "Is there a way": https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#userminusdefined-pragmas |
| 22:35:26 | FromDiscord | <threefour> Ooo great, thanks |