<<26-07-2012>>

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00:31:15	fowl	os there a difference in , and ; ? i see c2nim translating arguments with ; now
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00:46:01	fowl	is*
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04:55:26	Araq	fowl: there is no difference if you do not leave out the types ;-)
04:55:38	Araq	proc p(a, b; c: int)
04:55:40	Araq	vs.
04:55:45	Araq	proc p(a, b, c: int)
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14:55:10	fowl	can you create templates to do this: https://gist.github.com/ac6fef47b5ebcf1a619f ?
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14:58:10	Tasser	fowl, where are the variables?
14:58:21	Tasser	oh, wait
14:58:37	fowl	its used like this CP_DefineSpaceStructProperty(int, iterations, Iterations);
14:58:46	Tasser	should be possible
14:58:53	Tasser	you can add types to templates after all
16:17:57	fowl	i updated the gist with what i want to use
16:18:24	fowl	not sure how to create the method name though, obviously `get$procname` isnt right >_>
16:18:34	shevy	hehe
16:39:01	Tasser	Twitter is currently down for <%= reason %>.
16:39:15	Tasser	a) fail b) they still use erb? ^^
16:46:26	fowl	at least they'll be back by <%= deadline %>
16:50:43	Araq	fowl: yes
16:51:17	Araq	for identifier concatenation to work do:
16:51:28	Araq	`xyz templateParam`
16:51:39	Araq	don't use a $ as separator ...
16:51:46	Araq	no idea where you get that from ...
16:52:07	fowl	its a placeholder
16:52:14	fowl	so i could look at it and see what was wrong right away
16:52:17	Araq	and you need to make the template an {.immediate.}
16:52:27	fowl	so `get procName`..coo
16:52:31	fowl	ok
16:53:01	Araq	yes
16:55:25	Tasser	Araq, what' immediate?
17:04:08	Araq	Tasser: read the docs
17:04:42	Araq	http://build.nimrod-code.org/docs/manual.html#ordinary-vs-immediate-templates
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18:58:05	dom96	hello all
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18:59:11	Araq	hi dom96
19:02:37	dom96	what's up?
19:03:02	Araq	adrianv is doing great bug hunting
19:03:20	Araq	but I'd prefer to implement new features instead ;-)
19:03:51	dom96	hehe
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19:07:37	shevy	hehe
19:08:06	Araq	seriously
19:08:19	dom96	HEHE
19:08:21	dom96	:P
19:08:34	Araq	whenever I take a shortcut like not testing/caring about generic 'ref object'
19:08:53	dom96	AdrianV sure likes to test all the new stuff
19:09:03	Araq	somebody comes up with a bug report ...
19:11:03	Araq	adrianv tests the heck out of everything, not only the new stuff
19:14:29	dom96	Well, #179 I think you should leave until the end.
19:14:36	dom96	I mean it's not that important.
19:14:41	dom96	People can still use the old syntax
19:15:07	Araq	yeah tbh the github bug tracker doesn't work
19:15:08	shevy	old
19:15:17	shevy	I want new and shiny
19:15:42	dom96	shevy: Stop using Python or whatever it is that you use then and start working on Nimrod :P
19:16:04	Araq	it's ruby afaik
19:16:18	shevy	yeah ruby
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19:16:37	shevy	I fixed a book in my cookbooks project
19:16:42	shevy	ahm
19:16:43	shevy	bug
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19:22:45	Araq	that's good
19:22:57	*	Araq shall call his bugs 'books' now too
19:23:22	shevy	yeah
19:23:36	shevy	now I will add the feature "install .gem files"
19:23:53	shevy	if nimrod would have such an add-on mechanism too, I would add it as well!
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20:07:07	fowl	hmm
20:07:23	fowl	if i use defGetr and defSetr they will align with defProp
20:07:38	fowl	what do yall think(:
20:07:52	Araq	I think properties are stupid
20:08:16	Araq	nimrod uses the same syntax so that you *don't* have to introduce them in the first place ...
20:13:33	fowl	what do you mean
20:14:47	Araq	I mean: just use field access and introduce a property when you need to do something non trivial in them
20:17:44	fowl	some of the properties are exported already
20:18:45	Araq	*shrug* whatever
20:18:59	Araq	I export fields too
20:20:45	fowl	i have for example defGetter(PBody, i, cpFloat, Moment) def setMoment(..): cpfloat {.importc: "cpBodySetMoment".}
20:20:53	fowl	s/def/proc
20:21:25	Araq	oh I see you're importing from C
20:21:32	Araq	that's different then
20:22:44	fowl	yes trying the chipmunk wrapper again now that i know more about it
20:25:41	Araq	you're already using c2nim, right?
20:25:56	fowl	yea
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21:51:37	Trixar_za	Wow, AdrianV and his bug reports
21:52:07	Araq	he loves to stress test apparently :-)
21:52:32	Trixar_za	I just logged in to Github and there they were in my side panel :P
21:52:34	Araq	or he has some pretty weird programming projects XD
21:54:18	Araq	like ... couting from low(int) to high(int) ...
21:55:01	Trixar_za	Wouldn't that take a while?
21:55:16	Araq	for 32 bit it's quite fast
21:55:27	Araq	a few seconds iirc
21:57:50	Trixar_za	I once wrote a program to calculate something in Pascal using a loop and let it run on a 133Mhz laptop
21:57:54	Trixar_za	Took a week
21:57:55	Trixar_za	:P
21:58:10	Trixar_za	Point of the story is, it depends on the processor I guess
21:58:45	Trixar_za	Also the stuff you do while bored and 15
21:59:01	Araq	yay, at least there is a point of the story
21:59:09	Araq	:P
21:59:25	Trixar_za	Well if I was drunk, then the stories would be more interesting
22:00:04	Araq	your stories are - er - yeah
22:00:12	Araq	let's call it 'interesting' :D
22:05:22	Trixar_za	My best stories I can only remember drunk
22:05:31	Trixar_za	Since it happened while I was blackout drunk
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22:14:20	Trixar_za	Also for some reason, each of those stories features me getting wet somehow
22:14:27	Trixar_za	Normally by ending up in a pool
22:14:41	Trixar_za	But I did once end up in a shallow fountain
22:19:21	Trixar_za	Anyway, let me answer this email and go sleep
22:19:32	dom96	I wish I had more drunk stories.
22:19:36	Trixar_za	I hate having to justify why I like something
22:19:39	*	dom96 is still too young :P
22:19:44	Trixar_za	Nimrod no less :/
22:21:06	Araq	Trixar_za: it gets better with every release *cough*
22:22:14	dom96	Trixar_za: How's adoption of Nimrod for slitaz going?
22:22:42	Trixar_za	Nah, it's just normal tactics to try and get their way. I'm also the wrong hothead to ask. But I'll start with an example. Like how I started using Nimrod, met you guys, how easy it was to make a simple IRC bot in less lines that I did it in Python
22:22:44	Trixar_za	Stuff like that
22:23:16	Trixar_za	Oh and how dom96 then got interested in IRC, created the irc library and how it's now even easier to write an IRC bot :P
22:23:46	dom96	hehe. I was always planning on writing an IRC module ;)
22:24:04	Trixar_za	dom96: It's like trying to convience old scientists (to paraphrase the father of Quantum Physics)
22:24:48	dom96	I need to get babel working to encourage people to write more libraries for Nimrod.
22:28:47	dom96	well I should sleep. Good night.
22:28:54	Trixar_za	Actually I can't find the quote, but I'm sure it was either Planck or Heisenberg that said it
22:29:19	Trixar_za	The only way for a new theory to be accepted is to wait for all the old scientist to die
22:29:20	Trixar_za	:P
22:29:41	Trixar_za	Same dilemma. We're debating the thing to death
22:30:15	Araq	don't debate then, write some code instead
22:30:24	Trixar_za	Goodnite dom96
22:30:50	Trixar_za	Araq: Ah, good point. Like Linus says: "Show me the code!"
22:31:44	Araq	you know, you could also improve the docs of the stdlib and make pull requests
22:32:01	Araq	instead of telling me I document like in Java :P
22:32:07	Araq	which is very insulting btw
22:32:20	Araq	as Java's docs are incredibly poor IMO
22:35:52	Trixar_za	Actually, you document like Python. And Perl for that matter.
22:36:00	Trixar_za	(which is probably more insulting)
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22:36:19	Araq	dunno about perl's docs
22:36:29	Araq	but python's docs are quite poor too
22:36:37	Araq	they are often overly verbose
22:36:56	Trixar_za	perldoc (the command) is a mix of sparce and verbose
22:37:04	Trixar_za	Depending on which wrote the docs
22:37:30	Trixar_za	But many have the expectation that the person should know how to use the library involved
22:38:10	Trixar_za	If you do know how it works, then yes the documentation in question is helpful. If you don't, you have to figure it out the hard way.
22:38:25	Trixar_za	Not that I ever mind the hard way
22:38:26	Trixar_za	:p
22:39:47	Araq	the docs could use more examples, but often they already do
22:41:30	Trixar_za	I think I would like to see... a cookbook like project for Nimrod, you know?
22:41:43	Trixar_za	Where people can share working snippets of code
22:42:10	Trixar_za	I learn better by reading working code
22:42:54	Araq	rosetta code?
22:43:50	Trixar_za	So I don't really think it's the quality of documentation or the language that's at question most of the time. I just think people need more working snippets to study. Well I do in any case.
22:44:09	Trixar_za	rosetta code is great, but we still have nearly 400 of those examples to do
22:47:02	dom96	Trixar_za: What examples would you like to see?
22:48:31	Trixar_za	dom96: It's weird to describe the idea. For example, python has a cookbook site where you can share your code, mostly snippets, for doing something in Python, even if it's simplistic.
22:48:43	Trixar_za	The thing is, it's driven by normal users rather than experts.
22:49:31	dom96	I know what you mean by "cookbook" I'm just wondering whether there are any specific examples *you* would like to see.
22:49:38	dom96	Because I would be willing to create them :)
22:49:39	shevy	a wiki!
22:49:43	shevy	a pastebin for nimrod!
22:49:52	shevy	a comment functionality
22:50:01	*	shevy throws in features without code
22:50:02	Trixar_za	Oh god
22:50:05	shevy	haha
22:50:11	dom96	shevy: Use this to make all of these: https://github.com/dom96/jester :P
22:50:19	Trixar_za	No, just because it reminds me of something
22:50:35	shevy	oh
22:50:52	dom96	Trixar_za: hrm?
22:50:52	shevy	gem install jester
22:50:55	shevy	nimrod install jester
22:51:06	Trixar_za	ZeroBin
22:51:11	dom96	shevy: hehe. We don't have a gems type thing yet
22:51:12	Trixar_za	It's a pastebin with comments
22:51:13	Trixar_za	:P
22:51:22	shevy	dom96 that reminds me
22:51:33	shevy	is there some site of wiki or something where one could keep a list of feature suggestions?
22:51:40	dom96	Trixar_za: Well, are there any examples you would like to see?
22:52:02	dom96	shevy: https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/wiki
22:52:06	shevy	ok
22:52:30	Trixar_za	dom96: None that I can think of at the moment :P
22:52:41	dom96	Maybe raising an issue would be better. But then again Araq likes to keep the issue count low so it might irritate him :P
22:52:46	Trixar_za	But like when I wanted to write the IRC Bot
22:52:49	Trixar_za	I googled it
22:53:00	Trixar_za	Found 2 examples and learned how from them
22:53:08	dom96	wow, really?
22:53:14	dom96	You found 2 nimrod examples?
22:53:56	dom96	I wouldn't have thought that Google would be useful yet for finding nimrod code examples.
22:54:26	shevy	cool
22:54:47	dom96	Trixar_za: There is example code in the docs of irc.nim
22:55:06	dom96	It's not much, but you should be able to figure out what to do next from that :P
22:55:08	Trixar_za	This was what? a year ago?
22:55:12	Trixar_za	Before you wrote irc.nim
22:55:13	Trixar_za	:P
22:55:17	Trixar_za	And I joined github
22:55:30	dom96	I see
22:55:49	Trixar_za	And yeah, this was before I wrote anything in Nimrod
22:56:21	Trixar_za	I normally look at a Language's ability to write a simple IRC Bot as the test if the Language is functional enough for my needs or not
22:56:38	Trixar_za	And not only did I find one example, but two on how to make an IRC Bot in Nimrod
22:56:51	Trixar_za	then I wrote one myself and it worked pretty well
22:57:03	dom96	The first thing I asked Araq on the old Nimrod forum was: "Does Nimrod have a sockets module?"
22:57:04	Trixar_za	It was like 25 lines of code. I was impressed
22:57:53	Trixar_za	Next I wrote a simple IRC client and Mud client. Both were simple enough to do and I even used threads
22:58:03	dom96	Cool, both worked?
22:58:10	Trixar_za	Yeah
22:58:15	*	dom96 is still puzzled as to why you didn't put them on github :(
22:58:21	Araq	and I was busy with sockets back then he he
22:58:37	Araq	in fact, I still suck at them ;-)
22:58:49	Trixar_za	lol, nevermind, I suck at them too :P
22:58:59	Araq	sockets just don't make sense ...
22:59:10	Trixar_za	I only recently learned how to use asynchronous sockets
22:59:18	Araq	open/recv/send/close, gosh ... how hard is that?
22:59:27	dom96	Working on Nimrod's sockets module certainly helped me understand sockets :P
22:59:36	Araq	that's what the api should look like ...
22:59:47	Araq	but instead we got a horrible mess
22:59:56	dom96	Araq: I think they had that at the start, but then they started adding more features in an incorrect way.
22:59:56	shevy	a mud client?
23:00:28	shevy	hehe
23:00:35	shevy	sounds like how things tend to evolve!
23:00:43	dom96	But as I always say: It could always be worse :P
23:01:00	dom96	I'm quite happy now that my asyncio test succeeds.
23:01:19	dom96	I will soon write more sockets tests and Nimrod will have the best sockets implementation in the world!
23:01:37	dom96	We even have SSL now :D
23:01:51	dom96	Which was a very big pain in the ass to implement.
23:02:01	Araq	tested on windows? :P
23:02:13	shevy	cool
23:02:20	shevy	I could use SSL with an IRC client?
23:02:23	shevy	written in nimrod
23:02:27	dom96	Araq: haha.
23:03:28	dom96	shevy: yep
23:03:55	dom96	The usage is basically:
23:04:01	dom96	var sock = socket()
23:04:09	dom96	var ctx = newContext()
23:04:21	dom96	ctx.wrapSocket(sock)
23:05:05	dom96	I just realised I forgot to document the newContext function heh
23:06:43	dom96	Trixar_za: But yeah, let me know if you come up with any examples that you would like to see.
23:06:48	dom96	I am now going to sleep for real :P
23:06:49	dom96	Bye.
23:06:57	Araq	me too
23:06:57	Trixar_za	Night dom96
23:07:00	Trixar_za	For realz
23:07:01	Araq	good night
23:07:03	Trixar_za	You too Araq
23:08:47	Trixar_za	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Condylura.jpg
23:08:51	Trixar_za	Holy crap that's ugly