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00:51:04FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> does nim support inline asm on windows?
00:51:22FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> cant get a simple helloworld to run
00:52:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should, if you're not using the GNU assembler you need to include `\n` at the end of lines
00:52:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont know if you're referring to https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-assembler-statement
00:52:44FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> yea thats what im referring to
00:53:29FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> as a test i wrote compiled a helloworld.c to hello.s, denoised and added it via the asm keyword
00:53:51FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> ugh im an idiot
00:54:05FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> ive been flipping back and forth between a vm, i forgot
00:54:09FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> still doesnt work though
00:54:18FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> its an ubuntu vm
00:54:34FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3G7U
00:55:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i dont know anything about asm so i'm no help here
00:55:27FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> lol kk
00:55:37FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> im definitely playing in dangerous waters
00:56:13FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> trying to see if i can do gcc -S something.c g++ -S something.cpp and inline both aseemblys
00:56:38FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> ies..
00:56:57FromDiscord<pyautogui> Sounds very interesting to me, as someone with very little experience with asm.
00:57:36FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> the motivation is to see if i can also do it with ptx assembly (cuda assembly) and then just wrap it all with nim
00:57:50FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> thus avoiding the c/c++ interop barriers
00:58:05FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> probably a stupid idea, but here we are
01:11:03FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> ive read different things about using result vs return. do we prefer using the result variable? i cant see a reason not to.
01:11:17FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3G81
01:12:16FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> idk why id allocate an extra variable if result is already declared
01:12:51FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> jesus i need a life
01:13:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> We prefer result
01:13:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Or implicit result
01:14:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3G82
01:14:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> @QueenFuckingAdrielle don't use `cast` like that btw, you can just use a type conversion like T(0)
01:14:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cast` is a free type cast which reinterprets bit per bit
01:15:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `cast[int](321321d) != 321321` `int(321321d) == 321321`
01:19:51FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> gotcha
01:19:59FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> thanks both of you guys
01:20:01FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> šŸ˜„
01:20:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> and yeah, as beef said, `result` is kind of preferred, although it does have some issues (mostly security and bug related), e.g. the fact that it'll be set to the default (zeroed) value of the returning type which might not be desirable
01:21:13FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> ah i see interesting
01:21:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> and yeah, implicit result is basically - if the value of the last expression in the proc is not used and it has the same type as the proc's return type, use it as the result
01:21:47FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> oh okay, so basically remove "result =" part and itll still pick it up right?
01:21:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes, as long as it's the last expression in the proc
01:22:04FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> kk cool
01:22:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can even mix that with case statements and stuff, as long as they're exhaustive
01:22:33FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> i love it
01:22:56FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> never had any luck with my asm fiddling
01:23:04FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> maybe ill try again later
01:23:24FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> hoping to leverage sve2 and some other stuff that way
01:23:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3G85
01:24:17FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> thats awesome, gotta admit, at first I want to gripe about readability, but idk i think it looks really clean
01:25:18FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> what is yall's opinion on generating gpu kernel assembly and then inlining in nim?
01:25:22FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> is that insane?
01:26:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Beyond my knowledge
01:26:35FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> i feel like im going to get stuck by lightning for mentioning it
01:26:42FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> (edit) "stuck" => "struck"
01:27:24FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> oddly enough, i want to decouple my code from the change cuda/opencl/sycl/sve/avx landscape
01:28:14FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> so i figure do a setup_my_gpu_crap.sh and compile .c, cu, etc into assembly and inline that
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02:28:55FromDiscord<demotomohiro> How about to define a C or C++ function that call your gpu kernel on .cu file and create a library file (.lib, .dll, .so etc) from these cu files and link it to nim code?ā†µOr export C functions from your nim code, build it as library and link it to your cu file.ā†µI think that is simpler than inlining gpu kernel assembly in nim.
02:38:28FromDiscord<demotomohiro> If you know how to use OpenGL's compute shader, you might be able to write a code in Nim and run it on GPU.ā†µhttps://github.com/treeform/shady
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03:34:46nrds<Prestige99> Anyone know why jester routes use `@` for params instead of `:` ?
03:35:04nrds<Prestige99> Looking at "/hello/@name"
03:35:10nrds<Prestige99> https://github.com/dom96/jester#routes
03:35:44FromDiscord<Rika> Why not? Whatā€™s the issue with that
03:36:12nrds<Prestige99> just uncommon, everything else I've seen uses `:`
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03:39:24FromDiscord<Rika> Probably it was planned to use untyped instead of string so : is a no go there
03:39:28FromDiscord<Rika> Just a guess though
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03:41:26FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3G8C
03:41:52FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> i want to get the value/type `byte` in the `when T is Vector` clause
03:42:06FromDiscord<Rika> Canā€™t you do T.T?
03:42:32FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> šŸ˜®
03:42:42FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> how/why does that work?
03:42:49FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> (confirmed it works btw, thanks!)
03:42:57FromDiscord<Rika> Because the generic parameter is a ā€œfake fieldā€ I guess?
03:43:10FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> what do you mean?
03:43:20FromDiscord<Rika> You can access it like a field but itā€™s not a field
03:43:24FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> OH
03:43:27FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> i didnt know that
03:43:43FromDiscord<Rika> Why? Prolly because itā€™s convenient
03:43:58FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> so if i renamed the generic in the definition of Vector, say to `type Vector[V] = object...`, id access it as `T.V`?
03:44:02FromDiscord<Rika> Yes
03:44:10FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> ā¤ļø thats awesome, thanks!
03:44:22FromDiscord<Rika> Thatā€™s why I try to not use single letter names for generic parameters
03:44:37FromDiscord<Rika> Think itā€™s similar to in C++
03:45:12FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> good to know, thanks
03:45:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Generic types have generic type params which are accessible from the type
03:45:43FromDiscord<Rika> I guess they ARE field
03:45:44FromDiscord<Rika> Field s
03:45:52FromDiscord<Rika> Just fields of the type descriptor
03:48:15FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> thats actually a fantastic phrasing, because i was making a dummy object of that type just to keep the type info
03:48:20FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> so that simplifies a bit šŸ˜„
03:49:13FromDiscord<Rika> You can use it directly too
03:49:25FromDiscord<Rika> var x: T.V; ā€¦
03:49:43FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> šŸ˜® nim gets better and better!
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04:36:19FromDiscord<gogolxdong (liuxiaodong)> Is there anyone used nim-web3?
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07:28:53FromDiscord<claude> am i the only one who thought `s[a..b] = []` was the way to do it and didnt know `sequtils.delete` existed? is this bad practice?
07:30:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Comically i've never done a left hand slice šŸ˜€
07:30:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I guess this would be called a splice
07:31:11FromDiscord<claude> its been useful a couple of times
07:32:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems like it would be, but yea delete is more clear imo
07:33:55FromDiscord<claude> it doesnt reallocate if its shrinking apparently
07:34:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Of course not
07:34:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Only when you go over capacity would it reallocate
07:34:49FromDiscord<Rika> Change the capacity with set capacity if you want an explicit reallocation
07:35:03FromDiscord<Rika> Most of the time people want max speed and not max memory efficiency
07:35:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is no set capacity
07:35:14FromDiscord<Rika> Really? I forget then
07:35:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> there is only `newSeqWithCap` or `ofCap` always forget
07:35:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can set len
07:35:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But for some reason there is 0 ability to fetch the capacity of a sequence
07:36:25FromDiscord<Rika> Because thatā€™s an implementation detail
07:42:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're an implementation detail
07:42:35FromDiscord<Rika> Ok
08:17:23FromDiscord<hmmm> rika is core implementation and golden egg mvp :nim1:
08:19:29FromDiscord<Rika> I wish
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09:48:20FromDiscord<konsumlamm> is there a way to specify a local directory as a dependency for a nimble package?
09:49:14FromDiscord<Rika> Is it a package
09:49:26FromDiscord<Rika> Or is it just some directory
09:50:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it's a nimble package you can do `nimble develop` and it'll symlink it in nimble then you can `requires "packagename"`
09:53:26FromDiscord<konsumlamm> nice, that seems to work
09:58:33FromDiscord<konsumlamm> also, i learned that there are no private modules
10:00:58FromDiscord<tandy> does anyone know how to do sleeps on javascript / emscripten?
10:09:00FromDiscord<konsumlamm> what is the way to build a nimble library (i.e. check that everything compiles)? `nimble build` doesn't work (it seems to onl be for executables) and `nimble install` just ignores errors for soemreason
10:11:50FromDiscord<Rika> Test?
10:12:00FromDiscord<Rika> Check?
10:13:40FromDiscord<tandy> if you have a nim file where you import al the library modules, just compile thatā†µ(@konsumlamm)
10:14:04FromDiscord<tandy> but @Rika is right, write some tests, then create a nimble test task
10:14:29FromDiscord<konsumlamm> `nimble test` also runs the tests, i just want to see if the package compiles
10:14:39FromDiscord<konsumlamm> and `nimble check` just checks the project structure
10:14:47FromDiscord<tandy> then this
10:14:57FromDiscord<konsumlamm> i wanna use nimble tho :/
10:15:37FromDiscord<Rika> Make a task then
10:17:05FromDiscord<konsumlamm> so just compiling a library is not a common enough task to have a standard nimble task for it?
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10:18:30FromDiscord<Rika> No
10:18:36FromDiscord<Rika> Most of the time people make tests
10:18:52FromDiscord<Rika> Or use Nim and not nimble
10:18:54FromDiscord<konsumlamm> and most of the time just compiling the lib is way faster than also running the tests
10:19:02FromDiscord<Rika> I personally never use nimble for anything but package management
10:19:08FromDiscord<konsumlamm> that's just basic stuff i expect froma package manager
10:19:31FromDiscord<Rika> Then maybe itā€™s issue or PR time
10:21:44FromDiscord<5271> it's probably a very dumb question ā†µbut how do i call a function from another file?
10:25:23FromDiscord<konsumlamm> you import the other file and then call it
10:26:00FromDiscord<5271> uhmā†µhow do i call a file?
10:26:10FromDiscord<5271> should i type in the relative or global path
10:28:55FromDiscord<konsumlamm> `import <name of file>` if it's in the same directory
10:29:05FromDiscord<konsumlamm> (without the `.nim` extension)
10:32:06FromDiscord<5271> import on itself doesn't give any errorsā†µbut i can't call the functionā†µshould i make it public or something?
10:32:20FromDiscord<konsumlamm> yes
10:32:37FromDiscord<konsumlamm> you make something public by adding a `` after it
10:32:43FromDiscord<konsumlamm> it being the name
10:34:26FromDiscord<5271> oh it works
10:34:30FromDiscord<5271> thank you :3
10:34:37FromDiscord<5271> and sorry for such a dumb question o~o
10:51:49FromDiscord<runner7mi> this is my first time looking at Nim.. why does it remind me of python
10:52:22FromDiscord<Rika> Because it has the offside rule and uses : as block starter?
10:55:01FromDiscord<haoyu> does nim's abnormal information reveal some sensitive information?
10:55:28FromDiscord<haoyu> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/913744760504725514/unknown.png
10:56:10FromDiscord<haoyu> the whole project path or something
10:58:06FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @haoyu "does nim's abnormal information": Compile with `-d:release` or `--stacktrace:off`
11:01:13FromDiscord<haoyu> thx bro, perfectly solved this problem
11:19:43FromDiscord<runner7mi> In reply to @Rika "Because it has the": lack of boiler plate... import modules in the same way.. it's like a wierd wonderful mix of python, javascript and c
11:21:27FromDiscord<runner7mi> (edit) "wierd" => "weird"
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11:50:11FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> Anyone know why": .
11:50:35FromDiscord<dom96> Jester uses @ so that access is consistent in the routes. You wouldn't be able to have `var data = :"data"` in Nim
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12:06:47NimEventerNew thread by Rforcen: Implicit surfaces polygonizer , see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8655
12:23:27FromDiscord<Rika> Ah so I was almost correct haha
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14:21:45arkanoidexelotl: shouldn't this list already exist and moderated by official team?
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14:39:11PMunchWhat list?
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16:12:09FromDiscord<exelotl> arkanoid: previously there was "fusion" which was a distribution of recommended packages that shipped with Nim. But it didn't really work out, so this list will be their next approach (probably for Nim 2.0 to fill in for some modules being removed from the stdlib)
16:14:03FromDiscord<exelotl> (I might not be 100% accurate with this so take my words with a grain of salt)
16:16:11FromDiscord<exelotl> PMunch: arkanoid was asking about the effects on the ecosystem if the stdlib shrinks, so I pointed him to this comment: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8642#56223
16:16:24FromDiscord<konsumlamm> (fusion is just a single package, with multiple modules)
16:16:45FromDiscord<exelotl> ahh right
16:17:13PMunchAh I see
16:24:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> It didn't distribute "recommended" packages, it distributed quasi-experimental things that could as well be added to stdlib
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16:39:32FromDiscord<Hex08> Hello! I'm just getting started with Nim and I was trying to write something likeā†µ`func is_prime(n: Natural): Natural = (2..^n).all_it(n % it != 0)`ā†µbut I can't figure out how to check that a predicate is true for each element of an iterator. I only find functions that work with open_arrays but I think a lazy approach would be a better fit
16:40:47FromDiscord<Hex08> Basically I'd like to iterate over all possible divisors using `countup` and stop as soon as one element fails the test instead of allocating a big sequence
16:43:57FromDiscord<Rika> needs 3rd party lib zero functional i think
16:44:02FromDiscord<Rika> or make your own proc
16:45:23FromDiscord<Hex08> Looks good, thank you!
17:01:43FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> Hi, is anyone here using nimscript as provisioned by nix on MacOS?
17:02:06FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> `Nim Compiler Version 1.4.8 [MacOSX: amd64]`
17:02:45FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> I'm trying to use `std/parsopt`, but I'm having trouble.
17:06:02FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3GbV
17:06:37FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3GbV
17:07:20FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3GbW
17:07:43FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> import std/parseoptā†µā†µvar p = initOptParser("-ab -e\:5 --foo --bar=20 file.txt")ā†µGives me `Error: undeclared identifier: 'initOptParser'`
17:08:26FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> (sorry, I'm perpetually baffled by gitter's editor)
17:21:12FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> I should add that I'm trying to use that in a nimscript
17:22:04FromDiscord<sjfloat (Steve Jones)> However, I get the same error compiling.
17:34:51FromDiscord<QueenFuckingAdrielle> In reply to @demotomohiro "How about to define": I didnt see this yesterday. The whole issue with that is then I'm stuck using only the c++ OR the c backend, am I not? Also opengl is not optimized for that sort of thing, I'd be better off try to write a vulkan shader performance wise. I am mainly interested in using cuda, sve2, and avx.
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18:19:26arkanoidI'm developing a collection of parsers to decode multiple non-machine-readable native stuff. I'd like to implement it in a plugin fashion, where I can drop a .so/.dll in a plugin folder and nim would use the additional functions there to try parsing the candidate file
18:19:31arkanoidhow would you do this?
18:35:10FromDiscord<enthus1ast> ah reread you question.
18:35:42FromDiscord<enthus1ast> I think it depends "what is in charge", so either the loader could search for all the functions and register them, or the module can do this
18:36:28FromDiscord<enthus1ast> so eg, it can call a "registerProc" provided my you main module
18:37:19FromDiscord<enthus1ast> then i think it depends what you wanna do or if the modules have a smilar/same interface
18:37:35arkanoidok, but how can I load and enumerate nim function from external lib at runtime?
18:38:23FromDiscord<enthus1ast> as i said, either the loader from you main app loads each function with symAddr, or the loader loads and calls just one function where you register all your stuff
18:43:29FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Gcj
18:43:39arkanoidsorry, be patient, but I'm not following. I mean, I don't get how this would solve the enumeration problem. with "loadLib" I can load the dll, with symAddr I can bind function name. I guess I can't enumerate the functions in the loaded lib and call them all (given the fact that they share same arguments)
18:44:40FromDiscord<enthus1ast> no you must either know beforehand how the function is called (the exported name), or the module must know this and tell the loader what it should "register"
18:45:10FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Gck
18:45:56arkanoidgot it, thanks. What if I enumerate the function as pluginFunction1, pluginFuntion2, ... inside each dll and let main loader "try" in order?
18:46:12FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sure you can do this
18:46:27FromDiscord<enthus1ast> then you must decide "what is in charge"
18:46:31FromDiscord<enthus1ast> the module, or the loader
18:47:07FromDiscord<enthus1ast> eg when the module registers themself, it can get eg the main apps object as an function parameter
18:47:24FromDiscord<enthus1ast> but then the module can do all sort of crazy stuff to the app state
18:48:02FromDiscord<enthus1ast> when the main app is "in charge" you could eg just export functions ala\: "checkFile(path\: string)\: someReturn"
18:48:40FromDiscord<enthus1ast> then the main app calls these at will, withouth the risk of a module interfere with the internals app state
18:51:13arkanoidsurely the second approach
18:51:20arkanoidwell, thanks!
19:08:01FromDiscord<hmmm> hey bois there is a nifty utility on github that is exactly the thing I need for my stuffs that is either in bash or perl or php format, what are my chances of gobbling one of them in nim without the hassle of translating them
19:10:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> call it from the commanline and parse its output
19:10:54FromDiscord<enthus1ast> commandline
19:11:12FromDiscord<hmmm> yea this might be a great idea
19:11:43FromDiscord<hmmm> last time I did something like that I got stuck at the taking back the output
19:12:13FromDiscord<enthus1ast> some apps are better suited to this than others, sure
19:12:31FromDiscord<hmmm> no wait it's not a great idea if I need to share the app I can't assume people roll around with php or perl installed
19:13:32*qwr i sa bit confused - does hmmm wants to transpile perl/php/bash into nim or what?
19:14:11FromDiscord<hmmm> hmmm doesn't really know what he wants to do, he is trying to avoid translating by hand perl which he never digested the synthax of
19:14:53FromDiscord<hmmm> oh the other hand....it's less than 100 lines...
19:14:59FromDiscord<hmmm> how hard can it be.....
19:15:02FromDiscord<hmmm> ...
19:24:10qwrhttps://github.com/ycbilge/Perl2Python and https://github.com/metacraft-labs/py2nim could do it chained, but i'm somewhat doubtful about the results :)
19:25:15qwrespecially as first seems very incomplete
19:26:42qwrso you'll probably better off doing it by hand
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19:34:51FromDiscord<hmmm> haha thanks it seems quite the trip, I'll just take my stab at perl
20:28:54FromDiscord<evoalg> In reply to @hmmm "haha thanks it seems": What does the Perl script actually do? Aslo, did you say there's a bash version?
20:41:15FromDiscord<retkid> why would anyone ever just write perl
20:41:32FromDiscord<retkid> perl is one of my least favorite languages.
20:41:45FromDiscord<retkid> theres nothing it does that TS cant do
21:05:53FromDiscord<noow> In reply to @retkid "theres nothing it does": typescript? anyways, the script in question was probably not made in the last few years
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