<< 26-12-2014 >>

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00:00:38	ekarlso-	dom96: ye
00:01:59	flaviu	Wow, that rust post on hacker news drove over 760 hits towards the site!
00:02:17	ekarlso-	which rust post ? :p
00:02:27	flaviu	http://arthurtw.github.io/2014/12/21/rust-anti-sloppy-programming-language.html
00:02:42	flaviu	Baseline is ~100, so that's a 7x increase
00:03:34	flaviu	Hope you don't mind me posting broad stats like these, I'll stop if nessesary
00:04:12	dom96	yeah, HN is powerful.
00:04:21	dom96	Check out the graphs for the past year or so.
00:04:30	dom96	You'll see spikes when we have been on the front page
00:05:44	flaviu	maybe we should extend GA across the docs and forums?
00:06:42	flaviu	dom96: Also, can you enable webmaster tools for GA? I'm wondering what information that'll give
00:06:58	dom96	yes, we should.
00:07:06	dom96	I ain't got time to man.
00:07:17	Araq	flaviu: I applied your suggestion to the website but on my android it doesn't change anything
00:07:36	Araq	it renders until something has been loaded completely
00:07:41	Araq	and then it's emptied
00:07:55	Araq	how do I debug this piece of crap?
00:08:25	flaviu	start over and get rid of all the absolute positioning?
00:08:29	flaviu	sorry, no idea
00:09:34	Araq	er
00:09:42	Araq	is this valid css: transition:visibility 0s linear 1s, opacity 1s ease-in-out; ?
00:09:49	flaviu	Yes, it is.
00:09:54	flaviu	It's CSS3
00:10:27	flaviu	It looks good in chrome's emulator, so I can't really help much
00:10:50	dom96	Araq: You can do this if you want: https://developer.chrome.com/devtools/docs/remote-debugging
00:11:09	ekarlso-	rustlang seems to have tons of people using it though
00:12:11	Araq	ekarlso-: just use Rust then. but if number of users is your primary criterion you should perhaps use Java instead.
00:12:24	flaviu	Araq: Javascript
00:12:43	flaviu	Actually, C!
00:12:43	ekarlso-	Araq: well java isn't a sys lang though :p
00:13:08	Araq	that term has no clear definition anyway
00:13:45	Araq	there have been built many more systems in Java than in Golang and Rust taken together
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00:19:05	flaviu	are we comfortable asking for demographic information from GA, or would that be asking the users of the website to give up too much privacy?
00:19:15	Araq	hrm the forum doesn't render either
00:19:49	Araq	flaviu: er ... no, don't do that.
00:20:22	flaviu	Well, I can't do anything but look at data, but ok.
00:20:48	Araq	how does GA gather that data?
00:21:31	flaviu	They see what other websites you go on, as well as the information you volutarly give.
00:21:40	Araq	what's the way to disable CSS on mobile platforms?
00:21:46	flaviu	media queries?
00:22:31	Araq	#mascot {
00:22:33	Araq	z-index:2;
00:22:35	Araq	position:absolute;
00:22:36	Araq	top:-340px;
00:22:39	Araq	could that be the reason?
00:23:12	flaviu	It's absolutely positioned, so the location of #mascot has no effect on anything else
00:24:14	Araq	well as I said, it renders correctly and then some loading completes
00:24:30	flaviu	And #mascot doesn't exist on the page, so the rule is dead anyway.
00:24:34	Araq	so it should be some image
00:26:06	flaviu	Sorry, I really can't help you. I can't reproduce the problem in chrome's simulator
00:27:02	dom96	seriously. Get the inspector running through Chrome in your phone and figure it out that way.
00:27:38	Araq	dom96: lost my USB cable
00:28:24	flaviu	How do you charge it?
00:28:47	Araq	with some other cable?
00:29:39	Araq	in Germany we have these sockets that come out of the wall and provide electricity
00:30:05	gmpreussner	flaviu: i'm back. gonna set up the raspi now
00:30:24	flaviu	gmpreussner: Ok. If you're looking for some fun, try compiling Arch for big endian
00:30:45	gmpreussner	i'm gonna do a normal setup first
00:30:53	gmpreussner	then i put big endian on the 2nd raspi, ok?
00:30:57	gmpreussner	that we way have both
00:31:03	gmpreussner	*that way we
00:31:26	flaviu	Sure. But I don't expect compiling for big endian to be easy ;)
00:31:37	gmpreussner	i haven't tried it before, so i need to read up on it first
00:32:32	Araq	flaviu: why not? we bootstrapped on powerpc bigendian before nimbuild died
00:32:59	Araq	found a couple of endian related bugs this way
00:33:07	flaviu	Araq: Not nim, 99% of the world's computers are little endian. So there are sure to be bugs in other software
00:34:07	Araq	yeah and if we want to get philosophical. Does this mean to fix each and every piece of software or to abandon big endian systems?
00:34:08	flaviu	and *no one* is providing pre-built binaries for big endian on raspberry pi
00:34:32	flaviu	If he manages to compile big endian, then support big endian
00:34:44	flaviu	it's good to support them anyway, even if only to help ensure code quality
00:35:47	Demos	I bet around 99.99% of ARM CPUs are never booted in big endian mode
00:36:28	flaviu	yep
00:37:07	flaviu	dom96: https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/pull/35 https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/pull/1778
00:37:11	Araq	flaviu: no, it helps to ensure code quality that is concerned with the big endian vs little endian dimension. But this dimension wouldn't even exist otherwise.
00:39:32	Araq	By the same argument, supporting Irix helps our code portability. But it doesn't. It only helps supporting Irix which is hopefully dead by now.
00:40:06	flaviu	That makes sense
00:42:45	dom96	flaviu: I'm not sure if adding google analytics to all docs is a good idea.
00:42:52	dom96	flaviu: People can build them locally...
00:43:25	flaviu	dom96: What would be a better approch?
00:43:43	dom96	Dunno.
00:44:09	flaviu	anyway, don't those config files only apply to nim?
00:44:51	dom96	Too late for me to think about it.
00:47:13	flaviu	I think I've got it - only add the GA code when it's available in an enviroment variable. So koch web will export it
00:47:33	flaviu	but normal users won't, so they won't get the code in their private docs.
00:48:02	dom96	no, command line switch.
00:48:08	dom96	No environment vars.
00:48:33	flaviu	https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/blob/devel/koch.nim#L130
00:49:13	Araq	flaviu: these are no real environment vars though. dunno if you are aware.
00:49:42	flaviu	oh, ok. Switch then: --googleAnalytics:UA-48159761-1
00:50:41	Araq	flaviu: ok, but if "koch web" add that, well. "koch web" is exactly what people use to build the docs
00:51:16	dom96	flaviu: yes
00:51:20	flaviu	Yes, but we don't mind if they have GA in their locally built copy, do we?
00:51:37	Araq	probably not
00:51:38	flaviu	GA will ignore it if it comes from the wrong domain, I think
00:51:40	dom96	we do
00:51:52	dom96	It's lots of useless code.
00:52:00	dom96	Just don't add it if the flag isn't specified.
00:52:02	dom96	simple
00:53:55	flaviu	well, GA gets unconditionally added to the website
00:55:47	flaviu	I'll fix that too, I guess
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01:18:25	flaviu	Huh, that wasn't so terrible
01:24:57	gmpreussner	flaviu: got buildslave up and running and added your systemd service. i guess i need the config for the master server now?
01:25:25	flaviu	Yep. Maybe varriout gave me admin to the master server, let me check
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01:28:21	flaviu	gmpreussner: Looks like Varriount needs to manually edit a config somewhere
01:28:23	flaviu	Varriount: Ping
01:39:23	dts|pokeball	flaviu, ping
01:39:27	dts|pokeball	oh wait
01:39:32	dts|pokeball	youre here. excellent
01:39:42	flaviu	me? Hi!
01:39:47	dts|pokeball	do you want to still help with Nimbus?
01:40:18	flaviu	I'm almost done with a PR, but sure, I guess. What do you need?
01:40:46	dts|pokeball	im terrible at makefiles, and trying to convert build.py to a make file
01:40:54	dts|pokeball	wanna finish it for me?
01:41:10	flaviu	Sure
01:41:18	dts|pokeball	ok
01:41:20	dts|pokeball	ill paste
01:42:12	dts|pokeball	https://bpaste.net/show/f323e7e078a0
01:42:16	dts|pokeball	theres what i have so far
01:42:58	dts|pokeball	heres the build.py https://bpaste.net/show/9e46ea6f48f3
01:44:14	flaviu	wouldn't it work better as a shell script?
01:44:28	dts|pokeball	if you wanna do that, sure
01:44:42	dts|pokeball	basically, i need something that works a lot cleaner :}
01:48:20	dom96	http://forum.nimrod-lang.org/t/688
01:49:51	dom96	:)
01:50:34	dom96	dts|pokeball: Why are you writing make files?
01:50:38	dom96	dts|pokeball: Write a nake file instead.
01:51:03	dts|pokeball	whats nake?
01:51:10	dts|pokeball	ill use it
01:51:16	dts|pokeball	ill nimify that bitch
01:51:40	flaviu	well, that might not work so well
01:51:53	flaviu	if your goal is to also install nim with the file
01:52:10	dom96	https://github.com/fowlmouth/nake
01:52:23	flaviu	dom96: Error: unknown substitution variable: 'analytics'
01:52:29	flaviu	any idea what that's all about?
01:52:53	dom96	flaviu: no var named 'analytics'?
01:52:57	dom96	Dunno. Need context.
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01:53:11	dom96	Possibly no key named 'analytics' in some hash map
01:53:33	dom96	That the doc gen uses for its data
01:55:43	flaviu	dom96: https://github.com/flaviut/Nimrod/tree/ga-docs
01:56:22	flaviu	docgen.nim:584, I think
02:01:04	dom96	The config var: doc.file doesn't specify the analytics var
02:01:09	dom96	I guess
02:01:47	flaviu	huh, I thought that was for misc variables.
02:01:55	dom96	https://github.com/flaviut/Nimrod/blob/ga-docs/config/nimdoc.cfg#L106
02:02:02	dom96	See the way it specified $title there?
02:02:16	flaviu	yep
02:02:24	flaviu	but scroll to the bottom
02:08:50	flaviu	oh, I see
02:09:21	dom96	good night
02:09:50	flaviu	night
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02:26:30	flaviu	PR sent
02:26:54	flaviu	I don't want to deal with global variables, so theindex.html doesn't get analytics.
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02:38:35	gmpreussner	hey Varriount, you around?
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03:13:33	dts|pokeball	flaviu, hows the build script?
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03:35:57	flaviu	dts|pokeball: Oh, sorry
03:36:04	flaviu	I went away for a hour
03:36:06	flaviu	on it now
03:37:19	flaviu	gmpreussner: He lives in eastern time, but he's probably away. See if you can get him tomorrow morning, or if you're not around I'll get him to send you credentials
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04:30:07	flaviu	dts|pokeball: https://gist.github.com/9d2a1e37553eb0c91a15
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05:40:59	gmpreussner	flaviu: sounds good. i'm on eastern, too, btw
05:41:02	gmpreussner	have a good night
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08:46:41	z1y	I'd like to use -o option to specify the output (for easy cleanning up). I've got error http://pastie.org/9799205 . Any idea?
08:47:20	z1y	(nim has no problem when -o option is removed.)
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11:05:43	Araq	z1y: use 'c' instead of '-c'
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11:20:28	z1y	Araq: thanks. it's my bad :)
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12:45:49	dyu	Araq: can enums in nim be defined with a specific int type? (u8/u16)
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13:12:07	Araq	dyu: only with the {.size: 2.} pragma
13:13:41	flaviu	dom96: Can you update Administration › Property Settings › Property Settings so that it specifies nim-lang.org instead of nimrod-lang.org?
13:13:59	flaviu	Some things don't work if there's a redirect
13:14:09	Araq	everybody ready for the nim rename?
13:14:20	Araq	of the gitbhub repo. that is
13:15:16	flaviu	Sure. It should redirect anyway
13:22:13	dom96	Araq: do it.
13:22:27	dom96	flaviu: Hrm. Good idea.
13:23:23	flaviu	http://i.imgur.com/EeS1f4j.png
13:23:24	dyu	Araq: thanks
13:24:18	dom96	flaviu: DOne.
13:24:40	flaviu	looks good, thanks!
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13:26:41	flaviu	dom96: Looks like there's another URL field in Administration › Reporting View Settings
13:28:12	dom96	I don't see "Reporting View settings"
13:28:44	flaviu	Click on "View Settings"
13:29:02	flaviu	looks like they use a longer title where it fits
13:30:08	dom96	Done
13:58:05	Araq	Done
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15:33:28	milosn	nim is way cool
15:33:38	milosn	i wanna buy it all, i can ensure your future success
15:33:39	milosn	:D
15:33:47	milosn	har har
15:33:50	milosn	evening by the way
15:38:53	dom96	Hello milosn
15:38:57	dom96	Buy it!
15:39:11	milosn	:)
15:39:24	milosn	i am half joking, but we shall see what happens
15:39:34	milosn	you OS project i cant fictionally buy you
15:39:42	milosn	we can only ensure your success
15:39:50	milosn	*you are
15:41:56	dom96	Yes! Write libraries and software in Nim!
15:42:00	dom96	That's how we will succeed.
15:42:03	milosn	yes
15:42:06	milosn	i agree
15:42:11	milosn	i shall when i get some time
15:42:58	milosn	we need to make it work fast on redhat tho
15:43:06	milosn	so nim needs changes
15:43:21	dom96	what changes?
15:43:47	milosn	dunno :) ... maybe it doesnt, but when i was testing some stuff on centos6 it was working crap slow
15:43:54	milosn	maybe its my setup ;)
15:45:21	milosn	i like centos
15:45:28	milosn	and redhat
15:45:30	milosn	:)
15:45:32	dom96	Maybe the machine was slow?
15:45:38	milosn	dunno maybe
15:45:46	milosn	maybe is my favorite word
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15:50:08	flaviu	guys, do we has an implementation of sleepsort in nim?
15:50:14	flaviu	*have
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15:52:59	dom96	flaviu: Don't think so. Write one.
15:53:02	dom96	Put it on Nimble.
15:53:11	dom96	Everybody wants to use that shit.
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16:15:52	loz	hi, is it correct that current version of nim is written in nim?
16:16:29	flaviu	loz: yep
16:16:51	flaviu	loz: https://github.com/Araq/Nim
16:18:42	loz	flaviu: but how can it be built without nim compiler for the first time?
16:18:52	dom96	loz: it was first built in Pascal.
16:19:15	flaviu	loz: Now, the c output of the compiler is distributed
16:19:31	flaviu	So you download the C code, compile it and get a nim compiler
16:19:41	flaviu	and use that compiler to compile the current version
16:20:34	loz	so, you wrote nim in c, then rewrote it in nim, and now nim generates c sources for itself?
16:20:48	flaviu	loz: No, the nim compiler targets C.
16:20:53	loz	s/c/pascal/
16:21:14	flaviu	loz: Well, an automated tool was used to do most the translation from pascal to nim
16:21:24	dom96	loz: It's always generated C sources.
16:21:32	loz	oh, sounds awesome)
16:23:34	loz	how old is nim? there is a lot of ppl here
16:24:03	flaviu	from 2006, I think
16:26:22	loz	what is tinyc? your own c compiler?
16:26:49	flaviu	loz: no
16:27:22	flaviu	nim needed some sort of compile-time function evaluation, so tinyc was investigated as a fast, embedded C compiler
16:27:47	flaviu	It was abandoned in favor of an internal virtual machine
16:28:09	loz	internal vm? why does nim need one?
16:28:14	flaviu	but tinyc is a project totally independent of nim
16:28:25	flaviu	loz: Each time you run a macro, that code is interpreted
16:28:33	flaviu	same with all variables declared as const
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16:29:51	loz	so, there is no vm at runtime?
16:30:36	loz	and this vm is kind of nim interpreter?
16:31:31	onionhammer	dom96 hows scgi async coming?
16:33:17	dom96	onionhammer: It's not coming at all.
16:33:27	dom96	onionhammer: Using asynchttpserver works well enough.
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16:34:55	BitPuffin	it's cumming huaouoguh
16:35:49	BitPuffin	http://youtu.be/BdVCfDioTcY
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16:40:51	flaviu	loz: Yes, and yes
16:41:11	flaviu	I don't think there have been any efforts to have the compiler as a library\
16:41:33	flaviu	so the VM is not available at runtime, optionally or not.
16:43:08	flaviu	BitPuffin: That's not related to nim, it'd would fit better in #nim-offtopic.
16:43:53	loz	flaviu: so it is possible to keep vm in runtime?
16:43:54	dom96	From what I recall there was work done to get the VM at runtime.
16:44:31	flaviu	loz: Not without a significant amount of work.
16:44:54	BitPuffin	flaviu: nobody was talking about cumming in #nim-offtopic, don't be such a police, it's not like I was talking for ages about something offtopic
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17:06:38	dom96	BitPuffin: inappropriate much? :P
17:06:59	BitPuffin	dom96: arnie is always appropriate
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17:22:41	onionhammer	dom96 boo
17:25:50	BitPuffin	the language?
17:28:17	dom96	onionhammer: What's wrong with using asynchttpserver?
17:36:01	onionhammer	i have to reconfigure nginx :p
17:36:07	onionhammer	and my app
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18:47:33	onionhammer	dom96
18:47:44	onionhammer	Found deprecated babel package directory, would you like to rename it to nimble? [y/N]
18:47:51	onionhammer	Error: unhandled exception: No such file or directory [OSError]
18:48:27	onionhammer	then after upgrading package list, unhandled exception: Package not found. [ENimble]
18:48:27	dom96	yeah, that happens unfortunately.
18:48:37	dom96	Seems I forgot to fix that bug.
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18:49:20	dom96	onionhammer: Just remove .nimble and .babel.
18:49:29	dom96	Reinstall whatever is needed.
18:50:16	dom96	You sure that package exists though?
18:50:33	onionhammer	im trying to instll nimble
18:51:17	dom96	oh dear.
18:51:25	dom96	Forgot to rename it in packages.json lol
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18:51:48	onionhammer	your directions also still reference nimrod
18:51:50	onionhammer	nimrod c -r src/nimble install
18:52:23	dom96	Where?
18:53:49	onionhammer	in your readme
18:53:54	onionhammer	https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble
18:53:56	dom96	Renamed it. Should install now.
18:54:06	onionhammer	there are several mentions of nimrod
18:56:29	dom96	onionhammer: fixed.
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19:04:12	flaviu	dom96: If you have time, set up google webmaster tools for the website. It gives information on which search terms are used.
19:05:24	dom96	Doesn't analytics already do that?
19:05:33	flaviu	Also, I've sent a PR for analytics: https://github.com/Araq/Nim/pull/1779
19:05:33	flaviu	theindex.html doesn't get them, but that's because of trouble with global variables
19:05:46	flaviu	dom96: Only the clicks that come from http google.
19:06:02	flaviu	https google doesn't directly give that information
19:08:53	onionhammer	dom96 for some reason im able to build wit jester on my mac but not my cubox (w/ debian)
19:08:55	onionhammer	lib/core/macros.nim(320, 23) Error: macro expects a node of kind: nnkDo
19:09:05	onionhammer	its complaining about routes: macro
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19:10:31	dom96	different nim versions?
19:10:47	dom96	update both and bootstrap if you're unsure
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19:12:21	onionhammer	they're both completely updated
19:12:25	onionhammer	fresh install of nim on the cubox
19:12:37	onionhammer	completely fresh install of nimble and jester
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19:22:23	onionhammer	hm
19:22:28	onionhammer	code all looks the same
19:23:09	dom96	weird.
19:23:14	Araq	onionhammer: not weird
19:23:18	Araq	the AST changed
19:23:19	dom96	lol
19:23:33	Araq	let's see
19:23:43	dom96	Then they aren't both the same versions?
19:24:00	onionhammer	that line does look kinda hacky
19:24:03	Araq	dom96: I got rid of implicit nkDo nodes for you
19:24:07	onionhammer	ifStmtBody.add body[i][2].skipDo().transformRouteBody(thisRouteSym)
19:24:20	Araq	and aparently that breaks things
19:24:59	Araq	onionhammer: where is your skipDo defined?
19:25:04	dom96	Araq: Yeah, that's what I thought it was.
19:25:27	onionhammer	Araq skipdo is in jester
19:25:32	onionhammer	line 540
19:28:29	dom96	well the reason is simple
19:28:47	dom96	Remove skipDo and it'll work.
19:28:55	dom96	onionhammer: Why does that look hacky?
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19:29:09	Araq	dom96: no.
19:29:26	Araq	fix your skipDo that it skips *optional* dos
19:29:59	dom96	Araq: I know.
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19:49:47	dom96	Araq: Hrm. You possibly broke the routes macro in Jester.
19:50:24	dom96	c:\users\dominik\git\jester\jester.nim(647, 27) Error: type mismatch: got (array
19:50:24	dom96	[0..19, string]) but expected 'array[0..9, string]'
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19:50:56	dom96	That's on a line which generates: var reMatches: arraq[MaxSubpatterns, string]
19:51:00	dom96	Any ideas?
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19:55:47	notfowl	dom96, dumpcode to see that the ast didnt change?
19:55:56	notfowl	dumptree*
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20:05:23	dom96	notfowl: I can't check against an older version cause I don't have it.
20:15:19	flaviu	git!
20:18:03	notfowl	dom96, check what the macro outputs vs dumptree: some var decl
20:18:40	Araq	dom96: well you should use MaxCaptures
20:18:45	Araq	that changed to 20
20:18:45	flaviu	git checkout 'HEAD@{20 days ago}'
20:19:01	notfowl	you should just use re.MaxCaptures in the parseExpr though dom96
20:19:10	Araq	yup
20:19:27	flaviu	wouldn't it be better to export a distinct type alias instead of a constant?
20:19:48	flaviu	type Captures* = distinct array[20, string]
20:20:02	flaviu	so that users have harder time screwing up encapsulation
20:20:36	notfowl	flaviu, if you know you're capturing less than 20 things you dont need the array to be size 20
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20:20:57	flaviu	pfft, small inefficiencies.
20:21:24	notfowl	small ones are the worst
20:21:58	notfowl	they accumulate quickly and you won't even be paying attention to them because they're minor
20:22:05	flaviu	Sure, if it's in performance critical code. Regex doesn't tend to be used in that sort of code.
20:22:23	Araq	flaviu: you are wrong
20:22:27	flaviu	At the point where it becomes a problem, you should hand-code your parsing so the optimizer can have a stab at it.
20:22:44	Araq	regex are performance critical almost like nothing else
20:23:08	flaviu	I'm sorry, but O
20:23:19	flaviu	I'm certian most people don't even know about backtracking
20:23:28	Araq	yes
20:23:43	Araq	they assume they are fast and run them over gigabytes of data
20:23:53	flaviu	a bit of extra stack allocation won't hurt anything, and if your profiling really shows its a problem then you can use cast to fix it
20:24:01	Araq	their ignorance is exactly the reason why they need to be fast
20:25:07	flaviu	120 bytes of extra stack allocation is insignificant compared to exponential backtracking. I think it costs the same amount no matter how much you allocate on the stack
20:25:24	flaviu	since all you need to do is increment the stack size
20:26:45	dom96	Araq: notfowl: there is no such thing as re.MaxCaptures
20:27:16	flaviu	Anyway, I won't argue. No point in making unnecessary changes.
20:28:04	notfowl	dom96, export it from jester
20:29:00	notfowl	dom96, er its MaxSubpatterns
20:29:11	dom96	That is what I am using!
20:29:38	notfowl	dom96, no you have a number in there which you replace with the symbol, just use re.Maxsubpatterns from the parseExpr() call
20:29:46	dom96	notfowl: look down
20:30:04	dom96	2 lines down to be precise.
20:30:37	notfowl	i saw it
20:31:09	notfowl	type mismatch: got (array
20:31:09	notfowl	[0..19, string]) but expected 'array[0..9, string]
20:31:46	notfowl	its getting the new one but expecting the old one? maybe you have 2 stdlibs somewhere
20:32:12	dom96	Even if I change from 10 to 20 it still gives the same error.
20:33:26	dom96	even if I remove the sym it still gives the same error
20:33:42	notfowl	dom96, i believe it is working correctly but some other function expects array[10,string]
20:34:15	notfowl	i cant tell where that would be from though
20:37:25	dom96	I got it
20:42:29	dom96	Fixed.
20:43:03	notfowl	what was the issue
20:43:17	dom96	PRequest.matches
20:46:22	dv-	http://pastebin.com/Uhfvxcd5 can't install aporia
20:47:11	dom96	Try nimble install aporia@#head
20:47:56	dv-	thanks
20:48:03	dv-	man, nim builds are so fast
20:48:31	flaviu	How do ctags for nim sound?
20:48:54	dom96	I would prefer if somebody took a look at fixing idetools
20:48:55	dom96	but sure.
20:49:00	dom96	Every little helps.
20:49:08	dom96	(Don't sue me Tesco)
20:59:38	dom96	Araq: Any chance nimfix could be made into a nimble package?
21:00:11	Araq	once we find a good solution for the compiler source dependency, it's easy to do that
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21:10:44	dom96	Araq: Why does nimfix still try to fix the stdlib when all I want it to fix is one file!?
21:11:18	Araq	it doesn't do that anymore
21:12:19	Araq	look at nimfix/nimfix.nim if you don't believe me
21:12:30	Araq	--wholeProject is the old behaviour now
21:12:50	dom96	Araq: What does this mean then?
21:12:51	dom96	c:\users\dominik\git\nimrod\lib\pure\rawsockets.nim(262, 20) Error: expression '
21:12:51	dom96	Port(s.s_port)' cannot be called
21:13:17	Araq	well guess what
21:13:31	Araq	nimfix has to be --cs:none in order to be able to fix old code
21:13:53	Araq	rawsockets doesn't compile with cs:none and ta-da! nimfix is useless
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21:15:17	dom96	then what am I supposed to do?
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21:18:16	dom96	A lot of code will use rawsockets so lots of people will run into this problem.
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21:18:26	dom96	Can I make rawsockets compile in cs:none?
21:19:05	dom96	system.nim doesn't even compile with --cs:none
21:19:07	dom96	I don't get this.
21:19:16	dom96	somehow nimfix can manage to get through it
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21:29:08	Araq	dom96: what file do you run nimfix on?
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21:32:11	gmpreussner	is there a way to tell the compiler where to put the nimcache? also, how can i prevent it from littering my src folder when i compile individual modules for testing? i'd like to have all intermediate files in a single location, if possible
21:33:05	dom96	gmpreussner: --nimcache:pathHere
21:33:18	gmpreussner	yeah, just found it in the docs, thx!
21:33:27	dom96	and --out:path/to/my/bin.exe
21:34:47	Araq	dom96: let me push a hack and let's see if it works
21:34:50	dom96	hello and welcome Guest19506
21:34:58	dom96	Araq: ok thx
21:37:29	Araq	btw nimfix defines 'nimfix' as a symbol. you can check for that in rawsockets
21:38:43	Araq	also nimfix prefers module.pretty.nim over module.nim
21:39:00	Araq	you can make it process "fake" modules instead
21:39:13	Araq	hrm there is rawsockets.pretty.nim already
21:39:37	Araq	oh ...
21:39:48	Araq	I never pushed that file ... :-/
21:40:32	Araq	dom96: did you change rawsockets much in the last months?
21:41:17	dom96	Last change was 11th of October
21:44:48	Araq	dom96: try it again. perhaps with the new --bestEffort switch
21:45:37	dom96	was that commit of rawsockets.pretty.nim intentional?
21:46:00	Araq	yeah
21:46:12	Araq	so you can see what I did to it
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21:48:59	dom96	Araq: Got further with the --bestEffort switch but then it crashed.
21:49:07	dom96	I'll just fix jester manually...
21:49:33	Araq	shouldn't that be up to date since a while anyway?
21:50:15	dom96	I only am now getting rid of the type prefixes.
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21:51:52	dom96	What else does nimfix do apart from fixing the type prefixes?
21:52:09	dom96	Because that's a simple search and replace...
21:53:34	Araq	it also can suggest spellings for identifiers
21:53:50	Araq	also you're dead wrong that it is a simple search and replace
21:54:16	Araq	it's not. it's incredibly complex to do it right
21:57:18	Araq	but since it fails so often in practice, you're right that we better should have picked a different approach, I guess.
21:57:30	Araq	this wasn't obvious when I wrote it though :P
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22:00:20	dom96	oh well.
22:00:40	dom96	I would write a different tool but I doubt there is that much left out there that would need it.
22:23:47	onionhammer	dom96 i think theres some more issues w/ jester
22:23:51	onionhammer	beyond what u just fixed
22:24:04	onionhammer	im getting a bad gateway for the default route
22:24:13	onionhammer	on debian, but works fine on osx
22:26:44	dom96	Maybe your code crashes?
22:26:53	dom96	should give you a stack trace if you're running it in debug mode
22:27:11	onionhammer	nope
22:27:12	onionhammer	it keeps running
22:27:41	dom96	it should keep running
22:27:50	dom96	jester will catch the error and return it to your browser
22:28:02	onionhammer	i'll try.
22:29:26	onionhammer	built it w/ just nim c index.nim, not release
22:29:32	onionhammer	no exceptions logged
22:29:42	onionhammer	GET /
22:29:43	onionhammer	502 Bad Gateway {Content-Type: text/html, Content-Length: 182}
22:30:07	dom96	What's your code?
22:31:42	onionhammer	sec
22:32:52	onionhammer	you should export Future module
22:33:08	dom96	you mean type?
22:33:39	dom96	i'd rather teach you to import asyncdispatch :P
22:33:57	onionhammer	erm yeah asyncdispatch rather
22:35:52	onionhammer	gah the ports in use :|
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22:38:14	onionhammer	dom96 http://pastebin.com/fF6zxNNu
22:38:21	onionhammer	that code yields "bad gateway"
22:41:14	dom96	onionhammer: Are you accessing it via nginx or just straight to jester?
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22:42:30	onionhammer	straight jester dom96
22:42:50	onionhammer	but i tried both
22:43:05	dom96	What content does it respond with?
22:45:16	onionhammer	<html xmlns="