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00:01:15nrds<Prestige99> Yep :P
00:01:25nrds<Prestige99> I just don't get to use nim frequent enough
00:01:32nrds<Prestige99> forget things
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00:03:44FromDiscord<Alea> what happens if your run a program importing winim but putting the calls under ``when defined(windows)`` and then run it on linux?
00:03:49FromDiscord<Alea> (edit) "your" => "you"
00:03:59FromDiscord<Alea> (edit) removed "and then run it"
00:04:09FromDiscord<huantian> then the calls don't happen on linux
00:04:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is the import under `when defined(windows)`?
00:04:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Only the true branch of a `when` is semantically checked
00:05:21FromDiscord<Alea> No the import isn't, I wasn't sure if that would break things
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00:06:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Move the import into it and it'll be fine
00:06:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When doesnt create scope and as such everything still happens top level
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00:07:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Really what i'd suggest is making a file called `windowsImpl.nim` and import that in your main file
00:07:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This way you can easily abstract per OS
00:09:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wlv
00:09:50FromDiscord<Alea> would I have identically named and similarly functioning procs in each that are picked based on the whens?
00:10:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean that'd be the idea you abstract the API to something that can be called identically
00:10:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This what you just make equivlent APIs and you never need to write new code
00:10:54FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wlw
00:11:00FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> (edit)
00:11:40FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> That's how I would do it for a nimble package, at least
00:11:40FromDiscord<Alea> so it would be like MainImplModule.abstractedProc that is underlied by the 3 implementations?
00:12:13FromDiscord<Alea> I'm just not quite understanding how to abstract and pick between calling into different modules
00:12:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ideally you treat the modules as modules and export identical procedures so they can be used as such
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00:12:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Say you're doing some PID stuff
00:12:39FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wlx
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00:13:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You may expose a procedure `getProcessName(id: int)` which calls the coresponding api in the other module
00:14:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They'd all be named the same and take the same parameters
00:14:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But since the modules are only imported based off the target OS there is no issue
00:14:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like i said `when` only uses the correct branch so `elif` branches dont cause imports
00:16:14FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Think of `when` like C's `#if`
00:16:28nrds<Prestige99> Did I really already run into a concepts bug
00:16:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Probably not
00:16:42FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> ? I want to see
00:16:48FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> I use concepts a lot
00:17:16nrds<Prestige99> This is my error, it's a bit of code to share.. https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wly
00:17:41nrds<Prestige99> I only have one type named `UIElement` and it's a concept, maybe it's constructed incorrectly
00:18:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @Alea\: here's an example program https://wandbox.org/permlink/R4AcbmQOvShxp1nl
00:19:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well without code cant say much
00:19:12FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3Wlz
00:19:29FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> (edit) "http://ix.io/3Wlz" => "http://ix.io/3WlA"
00:19:31FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> link broken
00:19:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Uhh ran fine here
00:19:35FromDiscord<Alea> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@218035776179404811>\: here's an example": got it, thanks πŸ‘
00:19:50nrds<Prestige99> Elegantbeef: mine? I'll push so you can take a look
00:19:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok
00:20:16FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> hmm, weird. Firefox really doesn't like that website for some reason
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00:20:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm using FF
00:20:34FromDiscord<huantian> link is broken for me too hm
00:20:38nrds<Prestige99> https://github.com/avahe-kellenberger/pheasantfarm/commit/93be636c2933574e1329297c8cd21266f80bc970 Elegantbeef
00:20:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast that's how i'd abstract it alea there are other ways, some people do it all in a single module
00:21:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `e of positionable`?
00:21:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Think you're funny?
00:21:17nrds<Prestige99> Specifically trying to get UIElement to work error in menu.nim line 48 with the above error I showed
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00:21:43nrds<Prestige99> hm?
00:21:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You cannot inherit from a concept
00:21:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's `is`
00:22:06nrds<Prestige99> hm I thought it was of because that's how you type check
00:22:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Your UIElement uses `of`
00:22:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You do not use `of` since it's a runtime check
00:22:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you use `is`
00:22:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
00:22:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's how you runtime check
00:22:28nrds<Prestige99> ah
00:22:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This isnt a runtime check
00:22:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is a static check
00:22:45nrds<Prestige99> Yeah just didn't realize of was just for runtime
00:23:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> that concept also is wrong again
00:23:08FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Can't blame you. couldn't tell you the last time I used dynamic dispatch in nim
00:23:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `concept e, ctx` binds both as the same concept
00:23:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you want `var ctx: Target`
00:23:42nrds<Prestige99> uh well
00:23:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> inside the concept body
00:23:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WlB
00:24:04nrds<Prestige99> so I basically am just wanting to use it for the render proc, where ctx is a parameter
00:24:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Whoops remove the ctx on the first line
00:24:17nrds<Prestige99> but UIElement doesn'h have a ctx: Target
00:24:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What is target?
00:25:00nrds<Prestige99> It's a type in sdl-gpu, and ctx is the name
00:25:20nrds<Prestige99> I have a render proc where Target is the 2nd param type
00:25:36FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Hey, I'm also working on a nim project that uses sdl2, cool
00:26:03nrds<Prestige99> Nice
00:26:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WlB so then yes use https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WlB
00:26:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Whoops double paste
00:26:34FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> just without the ctx in the first line
00:26:45FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> ... I think
00:26:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fuck bad paste again
00:26:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jeezus
00:26:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea without ctx on first line
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00:27:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ` elements: seq[UIElement]` is invalid
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00:28:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That needs to be `Menu[T: UiElement]` `seq[T]`
00:28:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Concepts are not dynamic
00:28:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They're compile time
00:29:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume you missed me saying they're for generic constraints only
00:29:48nrds<Prestige99> hm I'm still getting https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WlD
00:29:51nrds<Prestige99> oh okay
00:29:56nrds<Prestige99> Yeah
00:30:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can use them like a trait system where you explicitly state what a type needs to implement so others can easily constraint to it
00:31:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like for instance if you're making a Json library you might make a concept that is `UseCustomHooks` which checks if the proc has a `toJson` and `fromJson` otherwise the unconstrianed version is dispatched
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00:34:48nrds<Prestige99> does that mean I have to pass in some generic type for Menu that isn't UIElement?
00:34:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well yea
00:35:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just a constraint
00:35:11nrds<Prestige99> hmm
00:35:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not instantiatable type
00:35:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just like you cant do `myField: seq`
00:35:33nrds<Prestige99> maybe my only option is just inheritence then, and do away with concepts here
00:35:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> or `myField: int or float`
00:35:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean you could use something like traitor but i dont condone the usage of it πŸ˜›
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00:37:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh and also evan i'm kinda use SDL2 for a project so all three of us are using sdl2 πŸ˜„
00:37:12FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Depends what you want to do. Do you plan on having 2 totally different implementations of `UIElement`? And only one of those implementations is ever used in a particular build?
00:37:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though i only am using it for IO
00:37:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not using it to draw or anything
00:37:37nrds<Prestige99> I'd have many types that fit the UIElement constraint
00:37:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think prestige thought that they worked like TS interfaces
00:37:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Which to some extent they do
00:37:44nrds<Prestige99> but I want a collection of said things
00:37:48nrds<Prestige99> yeah
00:37:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea you want dynamic dispatch that uses the UI constraint
00:38:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Traitor gives that
00:38:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But it's also not really tested or to be used πŸ˜„
00:38:29FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Though i only am": Neat! I'm making a visual novel engine (it uses my ruby nimble package, which you should use)
00:38:31nrds<Prestige99> yeah I'll just use inheritence, then
00:38:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Have fun
00:39:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I have to animate my moveable tiles, going to be fun
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00:40:17FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> This is actually my second attempt at a Nim-based VN engine. I made one that used nim macros to make all the dialogue/graphics
00:40:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is ruby for runtime scripting?
00:40:44FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Nim macros are great but at a certain point they become... difficult to maintain.
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00:41:37FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> The user writes their graphics/UI code in Ruby, and the game dialogue is written in a Ruby-like DSL that gets compiled into Ruby cod3
00:41:40FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> (edit) "cod3" => "code"
00:42:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For context this is what i'm presently working on https://streamable.com/12gb97
00:42:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can see at one point my pushed tiles just teleport
00:42:40FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> It's a VN so performance isn't really a concern the way it is with other games, so you can get away with an interpreted language. Especially when Nim is doing all the actual rendering work
00:42:57FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> That looks really nice
00:43:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i was half curious why you were using ruby over nimscript πŸ˜›
00:43:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Thanks
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00:44:14FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> A couple reasons. 1) I like ruby 2) Ruby is really easy to embed inside another application if you're willing to translate a bunch documentation from japanese
00:46:26FromDiscord<huantian> didn't know people actually liked ruby πŸ˜›
00:46:52FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> It's just Python but less stupid
00:47:17FromDiscord<huantian> I haven't used ruby so I can't say anything tbh
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00:47:36FromDiscord<huantian> but I like python more just based on looks
00:47:56FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Rails blew my mind the first time I used it. Had no idea it could be so easy to make a full-stack app
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00:48:41FromDiscord<huantian> ok but that's rails being good not ruby :P
00:48:57FromDiscord<huantian> and I can do static type checking in python
00:49:09FromDiscord<luteva> ruby is not just python but.... ruby is pretty cool! πŸ™‚
00:49:32FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> I like Ruby's syntax better. It's different, but better once you understand what it's doing, especially under the hood
00:49:37FromDiscord<luteva> although not usefull for some of the stuff you might do with nim πŸ™‚
00:50:30FromDiscord<huantian> I just don't like writing `end`
00:50:37FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Fair
00:50:48FromDiscord<luteva> can be done by the IDE πŸ™‚
00:50:52FromDiscord<luteva> πŸ˜„
00:50:59FromDiscord<huantian> give me indentation based langs all day, even {} looks better than `end` imo
00:51:00FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> I type fast and I never notice it
00:51:26FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> I really started to appreciate ruby when I started trying to embed it in native (i.e. nim and c) code. Its block construct is basically doing what Nim's `iterator` does. That's pretty clever for an interpreted lang
00:51:36FromDiscord<huantian> maybe I'm not used to it but three characters is too much word-based syntax to end a scope/block
00:52:52FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> You get used to it quickly. Ruby's getter/setter syntax is way better than python's. Basically everything class-related is better tbh
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00:53:25FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> No `self` all over the place, no `ugly` stuff
00:53:48FromDiscord<huantian> I like my `self` and dunders
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00:54:16FromDiscord<luteva> self even have one more character than end!
00:54:17FromDiscord<luteva> πŸ˜„
00:54:36FromDiscord<luteva> (edit) "self" => ""self"" | "end!" => ""end"!"
00:54:55FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> EXACTLY
00:55:02FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> Ruby is already 25% better
00:55:53FromDiscord<luteva> πŸ˜„
00:58:15FromDiscord<pls use my ruby nimble package> My VN engine is partly targeted at people who have never written code before, so certain ruby constructs like `do_thing if cond` that are english-esque are a plus
00:58:24FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @Rika "given an image loaded": Do you want compute shaders or fragment shaders?
00:59:36FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @luteva ""self" even have one": but I don't need to do oop if I dont' want to↡it's hard to not write if statements πŸ˜›
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00:59:54FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @treeform "Do you want compute": What I’m running is per pixel so fragment
01:00:03FromDiscord<creikey> @treeform I have a random question, have you ever tried using rust for things? what did you think of it?
01:00:47FromDiscord<creikey> In reply to @Rika "What I’m running is": https://github.com/treeform/boxy/blob/master/src/boxy/textures.nim#L85 you might be interested in how boxy loads pixy images
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01:01:02FromDiscord<creikey> (edit) "In reply to @Rika "What I’m running is": https://github.com/treeform/boxy/blob/master/src/boxy/textures.nim#L85 you might be interested in how boxy loads pixy images ... " added "into opengl textures"
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01:15:10NimEventerNew Nimble package! audiodb - TheAudioDB API client, see https://github.com/thechampagne/audiodb-nim
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01:26:39FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @creikey "<@107140179025735680> I have a": No, not really...
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01:47:30FromDiscord<morgan> thinking about writing something to read thru all my installed themes and construct a graph with values on each connection for how many times two scopes get the same style
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05:12:58FromDiscord<Void> Is Nim based or is it infested with tranny degenerates like Rust and V?
05:13:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How dumb do you have to be to pose that question πŸ˜„
05:13:54FromDiscord<huantian> Tranny???
05:14:22FromDiscord<huantian> Am I not caught up with the latest lingo
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05:14:49FromDiscord<0000> In reply to @Void "Is Nim based or": it's aight imo
05:14:56FromDiscord<Phil> I... Err think that's too describe transsexuals derogatory
05:15:26FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @kaletaa "it's aight imo": Thanks I'll take your word
05:15:33FromDiscord<Phil> And wtf is wrong with you if in terms of coding you give a shit
05:15:49FromDiscord<0000> In reply to @Isofruit "And wtf is wrong": huh
05:15:53FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @Isofruit "And wtf is wrong": ?
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05:16:03FromDiscord<0000> can a man not be judgemental and be good at programming at the same time
05:16:19FromDiscord<Phil> He can, just means he's also an asshat
05:16:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean they can but concerning oneself with the users of a language seems like a weird fucking choice
05:17:02FromDiscord<0000> i think it's a sane thing to consider
05:17:08FromDiscord<0000> rust has a terrible community
05:17:32FromDiscord<0000> there was that guy who got bullied out of the programming scene in general just cause he used unsafe in a webserver
05:17:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sure but that's unrelated
05:17:59FromDiscord<Phil> And that has to do with transsexuals how?
05:18:02FromDiscord<0000> why? the users make up the community
05:18:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not using a language cause there are transgender programmers is fucking inane
05:18:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You're not playing with their bits, why the fuck does it matter to you
05:19:03FromDiscord<0000> it does matter to me when they make being transgender their whole personality and cry about every single thing that doesn't align with their views
05:19:04FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Not using a language": Whats insane is self botting. Im surprised Discord hasnt banned you yet.
05:19:10FromDiscord<Phil> It goes against community guidelines to take that into account as it pretty much goes against the mutual respect clause.
05:19:17FromDiscord<0000> In reply to @Void "Whats insane is self": its a bridge from a different server
05:19:21FromDiscord<Phil> Void, learn what matrix is
05:19:21FromDiscord<0000> service
05:19:24FromDiscord<0000> gitter or irc
05:19:37FromDiscord<0000> if the nim gitter even exists anymore
05:19:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm not a self bot
05:19:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm a matrix user
05:19:48FromDiscord<0000> ah yes matrix
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05:22:19FromDiscord<huantian> It’s fine to call a community bad, but your greeting could’ve been more tactful
05:23:22FromDiscord<huantian> Toxicity goes both ways
05:23:26FromDiscord<0000> are you writing a wall of text phil
05:23:46FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @huantian "It’s fine to call": A more tactful form of that greeting wouldn't have made it better really
05:25:07FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @huantian "It’s fine to call": I was genuinely curious... a lot of programming communities can be full of freaks I was just making sure this wasn't one of them.
05:27:40FromDiscord<pmunch> @Void\: please don't call transgender people freaks.. The Nim community welcomes everyone, as long as they stay welcoming back
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05:27:43FromDiscord<Phil> @Yardanico could you check whether this goes against the community rule about respecting people? I'm entirely sure how much it covers
05:27:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> We write code so certainly we're freaks
05:27:57FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "@Yardanico could you check whether this goes against the community rule about respecting people? I'm ... entirely" added "not"
05:28:08FromDiscord<huantian> And beef writes macros so he’s a metafreak
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05:28:54FromDiscord<huantian> Matrix bridge moment
05:29:08FromDiscord<huantian> Why did that go through first what
05:29:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Bridge ate pmunch's message πŸ˜›
05:30:00FromDiscord<PMunch> If you're just here to speak ill of a group of people and not to talk about programming you can take your hat and leave
05:30:08FromDiscord<PMunch> Silly bridge..
05:31:42FromDiscord<PMunch> In reply to @Isofruit "<@177365113899057152> could you check": This is certainly not accepted. A good rule, as a member of the community you don't feel like it belongs here it probably doesn't. After all we're here to moderate for the community
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05:35:55FromDiscord<Phil> Regarding the earlier debate about dunders
05:36:34FromDiscord<Phil> Nobody diss ma boy funders, those are actually a pretty beast feature of python that I like a fair bit
05:36:43FromDiscord<Phil> God damit phone
05:36:54FromDiscord<Phil> Why do you keep correcting shit wrong
05:37:06FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "funders," => "dunders,"
05:37:21FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "beast" => "neat"
05:38:25FromDiscord<Phil> I really like how you can basically build a system like that yourself in nim
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05:39:53FromDiscord<morgan> ya i like dunders
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05:40:26FromDiscord<morgan> also im glad to see the regulars standing up against hate πŸ’œ
05:41:24FromDiscord<Phil> Actually, can you manipulate what gets auto imported? Like could I make it so a particular module gets imported in every other module in the same project?
05:43:05FromDiscord<-|-> In reply to @Void "Is Nim based or": V is unbased because it is deceptively marketed
05:44:10FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @-|- "V is unbased because": As in its proposed ease of use?
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05:44:46FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @-|- "V is unbased because": ?↡In what sense? Never heard of the language before, this the question
05:44:49FromDiscord<morgan> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wmg
05:44:52FromDiscord<morgan> also i've not used V but im on a rust server and it's a cool lang and seems to be a cool community from what i can tell as someone who doesn't use the lang
05:45:10FromDiscord<morgan> V seemed to be making some really bold claims
05:45:16FromDiscord<pmunch> Yeah there is a configuration flag to auto-import a file↡(@Phil)
05:45:19FromDiscord<morgan> which kinda turned me off
05:45:27FromDiscord<huantian> What I’ve heard is that it has these bold claims and doesn’t actually have any of the implemented
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05:45:49FromDiscord<huantian> And is always behind on their deadlines and underdeliver
05:46:44FromDiscord<-|-> In reply to @huantian "And is always behind": That's basically it
05:46:57FromDiscord<huantian> Finally I can have the entire standard library imported
05:46:58FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @pmunch "Yeah there is a": Heck yeah, once more the language provides me all I need!
05:47:09FromDiscord<morgan> ok so i looked at my old code again (which iirc doesn't work anymore maybe i'll update it someday) and you can either initialize the object with specific local modules or import them dynamically
05:47:15FromDiscord<-|-> With V, the problem isn't the claims, it's the fact that it doesn't deliver
05:48:30FromDiscord<pmunch> What's dunders?↡(@Phil)
05:48:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> the weird python `something` iirc
05:49:20FromDiscord<Phil> You know how python has len(obj), str(obj) etc.?
05:49:33FromDiscord<pmunch> Sure
05:49:55FromDiscord<morgan> there's also `_sunders_`
05:50:02FromDiscord<morgan> tho i think dunders are more common
05:50:10FromDiscord<Void> In reply to @-|- "With V, the problem": I watched a video of a guy say V was a better version of Go and I cringed.
05:50:15FromDiscord<morgan> single underscore or double underscore
05:50:25FromDiscord<Phil> These implicitly call the corresponding dunder (double under score) methods.↡There are default implementations for most of them that you can override
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05:50:31FromDiscord<morgan> lol why is score so hard to type fast
05:50:47FromDiscord<Phil> Sort of a python interface with less correctness checking
05:50:57FromDiscord<huantian> Yep they’re called magic methods and let you override operations like attribute access of an object, operators, etc
05:51:26FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "operators," => "operators (like addition, or string and repr),"
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05:51:45FromDiscord<Phil> By implementing them you get to use a lot of generic methods that only rely on your obj having these implemented
05:51:51FromDiscord<morgan> `aMyObj == anInt` is the same as `eq(this: MyObj, other: int)` iirc
05:52:58FromDiscord<Phil> You'd do it in nim by basically using concepts
05:53:11FromDiscord<morgan> also member variable lookup is one which is how i did the hacky importing lol
05:53:28FromDiscord<Phil> Just that python libs already use these a lot
05:53:33FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Isofruit "You'd do it in": It would be nice if concepts were more widely used for duck typing
05:53:50FromDiscord<huantian> eg a table concept, a collection concept, etc
05:54:00FromDiscord<PMunch> Aah I see
05:54:43FromDiscord<morgan> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wmm
05:54:55FromDiscord<PMunch> Well in Nim we would just use operation overloading for that. But to accept a type into a procedure you would need a concept
05:55:01FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "etc" => "etc↡But this topic would drift away from python dunders to python static typing"
05:56:40FromDiscord<huantian> Maybe one day concepts will be more prevalent in Nim
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05:57:06FromDiscord<huantian> They’re still in the experimental section rn tho rogjt
05:57:13FromDiscord<Phil> Yeh, overall concepts are definitely superior, just needs spreading
05:57:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just use them
05:57:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Who cares where they're located, they're fantastic
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06:01:21FromDiscord<huantian> They aren’t as good in some ways as interfaces in other langs but so much more powerful in others
06:01:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh i have traits built on new concepts
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06:13:44FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @huantian "They aren’t as good": I'm curious, in which scenarios?
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06:27:30nrds<Prestige99> It seems the code from config.nims does not carry over when compiling a binary - I have it setting a specific LD_LIBRARY_PATH
06:27:54nrds<Prestige99> I tried moving it to my main module/file but it needs the path set before then, it seems..
06:29:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Rather the compile time equivlent πŸ˜„
06:29:17nrds<Prestige99> https://github.com/avahe-kellenberger/pheasantfarm/blob/master/config.nims for reference
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06:29:57nrds<Prestige99> hmm
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06:31:37nrds<Prestige99> yeah problem is, it needs to modify an env variable at the start. But it complains about not finding a shared library, which is in the dir I'm trying to add to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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06:40:03FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @-|- "V is unbased because": Lol
06:41:32FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @huantian "They’re still in the": Just use them
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06:42:01FromDiscord<Rika> More users of experimental things means more eyes on issues with them
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07:15:11FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> This is probably a dumb question, but could you guys suggest a stack of libs for a warehouse (monitoring stock, integrating with ERP and webshops, that kind of stuff) system with a HTTP Rest API and a web frontend in Nim? I'm having trouble picking and I'm not sure which stuff works together.↡Something like PostgreSQL or MySQL for db
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07:17:16FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> have you checked out prologue? i wrote some REST API stuff in the past and it was quite pleasant
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07:18:42FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> as for db you could use an orm like norm or ormin
07:21:06FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> So prologue and norm? Do I need much else to get started?
07:21:16FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> I'm guessing prologue has routing?
07:21:25FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> I was thinking of hosting on nginx
07:22:08PMunchPrologue does routing, yes
07:22:32PMunchIn general both Jester and Prologue should be put behind a reverse proxy when used in production
07:23:15PMunchI think there are official guides on how to do this for NGinx, but I've managed to set it up in Apache as well (although I forgot to document that so it would take me a little time to figure out how I did it)
07:23:23FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> for the web frontend you can use karax
07:23:44PMunchOr HTMX, that seems to be the new cool thing for Nim projects
07:24:01FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> i used nimja for server-side rendering
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07:24:18PMunchhttps://arhamjain.com/2021/11/22/nim-simple-chat.html
07:25:02PMunchI've used autotemplates for my home automation interface: https://github.com/PMunch/autotemplate
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07:25:23PMunchWhich works pretty well
07:25:28FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> So Prologue, Norm, HTMX?
07:25:40FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> And yeah Nginx themselves have a guide on how to reverse proxy
07:25:51PMunchI think that's what I would go with now yeah, seems like a good stack
07:26:00FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> yeah sounds good
07:26:01FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Thanks so much
07:26:15FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Very helpful community πŸ™‚
07:26:23PMunchHappy to help :)
07:26:34PMunchYou wouldn't happen to be a fellow Norwegian by the way?
07:26:37PMunchJudging by your name
07:26:48FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Danish, you oil stealing scoundrel πŸ˜›
07:26:59PMunchOil stealing :o
07:27:17FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> yeah back when Denmark gave a huge part of the sea that had oil to Norway
07:27:24FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Never letting that one go haha
07:27:55PMunchAaah haha, hadn't actually heard about that before
07:28:26PMunchI know Sweden offered us shares in Volvo for the rights to all the (at that point) undiscovered oil
07:29:12PMunchThe deal was set to go through but was dropped at the last minute because someone found oil. Norway wasn't really rich enough back then to keep searching forever, so the timing was impeccable
07:30:52FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> https://nyheder.tv2.dk/politik/2016-09-08-husker-du-da-norge-snoed-os-for-olie-milliarderne-her-er-hvad-der-virkelig-skete
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07:31:52FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> It's just a myth though πŸ™‚ But it's a funny story
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07:32:41FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> I think it's only old people like me that remember it these days
07:32:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ew old people
07:32:56PMunchI'm working on a new library by the way, for automatically converting procedures with specific types into ones that just takes e.g. a Request object. It will then call procedures you've defined to extract parts of the request into objects and call the initial procedure. It should make it possible to create a fully type-safe routing system :)
07:34:40FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> that sounds nice
07:34:51FromDiscord<Rika> Wonder if there will be a day where our web servers don’t need to be put behind a reverse proxy
07:34:57FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Void "Is Nim based or": For any avoidance of doubt. This user has been banned because this kind of bullshit is definitely not acceptable here πŸ™‚
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07:35:15FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> oh lol
07:35:38FromDiscord<Rika> I certainly thought PMunch had banned them already lol
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07:36:42FromDiscord<dom96> Don’t think so. Unless I missed it.
07:37:28PMunch@AsbjΓΈrn_F, just read the article, interesting story :)
07:37:29FromDiscord<d4rckh> what can i put in the except block to just ignore the error?
07:37:34FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @Rika "Wonder if there will": Good point. I’d really like httpbeast to get there. Won’t call it 1.0 until that’s the case.
07:37:41FromDiscord<luteva> In reply to @PMunch "I'm working on a": Yeah! This would be REALLY cool! I was waiting for that for... quite a long time! That sounds really nice!
07:38:54FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @d4rckh "what can i put": `discard`
07:38:59PMunch@Rika, nope I didn't ban them. In general I like to warn them first, as I did, and they seemed to behave afterwards. If they wanted to pick up a serious discussion about programming or get some help with coding in Nim I'd be happy to help them. Pushing away people with different views is never a good way to get them to change.
07:39:01FromDiscord<d4rckh> tysm
07:39:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Any non value AST works you can also do `##` πŸ˜„
07:39:52PMunch@luteva, nice. Hopefully the "derived types"-library (still haven't found a name for it..) will be ready soon :)
07:40:00PMunchThen it's just a matter of gluing the pieces together
07:40:09FromDiscord<d4rckh> oh wow @dom96 remember that error from yesterday which you told me to catch? its actually threw by runForever
07:41:11PMunchHas anyone done a comparison of ormin and norm by the way?
07:41:27FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @d4rckh "oh wow <@132595483838251008> remember": Ahh. That’s annoying. I think we should fix that.
07:41:59FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> In reply to @PMunch "Has anyone done a": If you tell me how to I can do it when I get home
07:42:40PMunch@AsbjΓΈrn_F, well create a small database, write a snippet to interact with it from both ormin and norm, and then compare the pros and cons of either
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07:43:17FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> is that sufficient?
07:43:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Given he's talking about the ergonomics yes
07:43:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not everything is about performance πŸ˜„
07:43:50FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Oh right
07:43:53FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @PMunch "<@259277943275126785>, nope I didn't": I think myself and PMunch disagree here. I think the ban should’ve been immediate, when a person starts a discussion that way it’s clear to me they aren’t interested in having their mind changed. It’s not our job to change people’s minds about such things anyway. If anyone wants to do it then I think it’s best done in PM, not in a public chat like this one where this
07:43:54FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> My bad
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07:44:27FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> I keep thinking of those extensive performance tests that remove outliers and does all kinds of stuff
07:44:32PMunch@AsbjΓΈrn_F, oh by all means, if you want to get into it comparing performance would be great as well :)
07:45:05FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> Yeah I'd need help doing performance testing πŸ˜› But if it's just comparing use cases I can do that when I get home
07:45:56FromDiscord<IDF(ardek66)> honestly i havent used ormin but i think the syntax is overall better, norm tends to get very verbose at times
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07:49:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Pmunch i have realized how we can use generic interfaces instead of the manual annotating
07:49:31PMunchOh?
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07:50:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> the macro emits a macro call of `myMacro(procSymbol, all args)` then does what you do with the table
07:50:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `procSymbol` being whatever the proc name you decided to go with
07:51:22PMunchHmm, I'm not sure how that solves anything
07:51:34PMunchIf I still need the table I would still need the annotations..
07:51:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It removes the need to manually annotate πŸ˜›
07:51:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No you dont need the table
07:51:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does what you do with the table
07:52:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No it uses the table
07:52:20PMunchHmm, I don't think I'm getting this
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07:52:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'll writeup a basic version
07:52:28PMunchNice
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08:10:51PMunchHmm, I get `sym "int"` into my hash procedure at two different times. Sometimes getType returns `sym "int"`, and sometimes it returns `BracketExpr(sym "typedesc", sym "int")`
08:11:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `.getType.typeKind`?
08:11:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Typed ast is hard
08:12:04PMunchntyTypeDesc vs ntyInt..
08:14:51NimEventerNew post on r/nim by momoPFL01: How do you elegantly handle types in bigger projects?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/ucykd6/how_do_you_elegantly_handle_types_in_bigger/
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08:19:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You know now that i wrote it i dont know if it solves anything
08:19:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WmJ
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08:21:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah nevermind i certainly does just the dispatch logic is wrong
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08:22:49PMunchWhy is it wrong?
08:23:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well right now it doesnt allow `10, "someString", 10` to match `doThing(a, b: int)`
08:23:29PMunchAh..
08:23:35PMunchThat's certainly a problem
08:23:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well that's just a thing i didnt do
08:24:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I did a lazy thing of discard all arguments I dont need to showcase how you'd do it
08:24:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You have all the same information here
08:24:10PMunchWait, as long as you have `doThing(a: int, b: string)` then it should be fine
08:24:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
08:24:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Anyway the point is you can use this logic to generate your calls from your route generate and never need to annotate, just need to export
08:24:54PMunchThat's neat
08:26:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Reallistically this should relatively easily fit into your current solution assuming you stored the proc defs
08:26:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont recall your implementation presently
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08:28:05PMunchStored the proc defs?
08:28:17PMunchBut yeah, this should be able to slot right in
08:28:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just need to figure out what to call the proc πŸ˜›
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08:31:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i figured you stored the proc defs fro a given type in table iirc
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08:42:47FromDiscord<d4rckh> is there any function i can use to get the username of the user my programming is running as?
08:42:51FromDiscord<d4rckh> (edit) "as?" => "as which works on linux and windows?"
08:43:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The dumb way is to use `getHomeDir()` then get the name from that
08:44:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont think there is a way to get the username in the stdlib
08:44:05FromDiscord<Rika> Not guaranteed for Unix
08:44:32FromDiscord<Rika> You can have a home of β€œ/some mount” in Unix , no username in sight
08:44:50FromDiscord<d4rckh> maybe env variables? πŸ€”
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09:01:22PMunch@d4rckh, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24503466/how-do-i-get-the-user-name-of-the-current-user and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8953424/how-to-get-the-username-in-c-c-in-linux
09:01:42PMunchNow wrap those calls in a `when defined(linux)/else:` block and you're good to go
09:02:32PMunchOr maybe `when defined(windows)/else:` the Linux call is probably available on Mac as well
09:02:43FromDiscord<d4rckh> yeah, i am already doing this. thanks πŸ˜„
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09:31:00PMunchHmm, annoying..
09:31:24PMunchWhy doesn't the sets module allow a HashSet to be modified by an OrderedSet
09:31:35PMunchI get why it doesn't work the other way
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09:37:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume as always it's cause someone didnt think of it
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09:44:05FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> anyone here tried this? https://nginxproxymanager.com/
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09:50:34FromDiscord<Elias> could not get to the site, got blocked it seems...
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10:03:27FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @AsbjΓΈrn F "So Prologue, Norm, HTMX?": Norm does not provide a connection pool and supports sqlite and postgres, keep that in mind
10:05:33FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> In reply to @Elias "could not get to": the link I gave?
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10:08:31FromDiscord<Elias> yepp
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10:08:47FromDiscord<Elias> was it intentional?
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10:27:38FromDiscord<Elias> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wnc
10:27:59FromDiscord<Elias> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wnc" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wnd"
10:29:49FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> In reply to @Elias "was it intentional?": copy paste the address?
10:29:55FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> works fine for me
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10:30:49duuudewhere should a noob start learning?
10:31:08FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @AsbjΓΈrn F "copy paste the address?": is this right? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968821593981726740/unknown.png
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10:31:47FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @duuude "where should a noob": What do you want to make/work on?
10:32:30FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> https://www.nginxproxymanager.com/ maybe?
10:32:43FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> oh wait that's why
10:32:54FromDiscord<Elias> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968822036464013312/unknown.png
10:33:13FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> yeah there's no www in the address
10:33:43FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> wow that's weird. You have to put in https://nginxproxymanager.com/ as written
10:33:58FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> with the https
10:34:05FromDiscord<Elias> ok
10:34:42FromDiscord<Elias> now i try this: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968822490673598494/unknown.png
10:35:03FromDiscord<Elias> Get this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968822576799445022/unknown.png
10:36:13FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> ni is mispelled
10:36:22FromDiscord<Elias> Hahah
10:36:23FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> it's ngi
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10:36:41FromDiscord<Elias> still does not work
10:36:58FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> https://nginxproxymanager.com?
10:37:03FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> (edit) "https://nginxproxymanager.com?" => "https://nginxproxymanager.com ?"
10:37:15duuudeElias: making portable applications without C89
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10:38:47FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @duuude "<@390570241903689728>: making portable applications": Nice so you're familiar with C?
10:38:54FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @AsbjΓΈrn F "https://nginxproxymanager.com ?": nope
10:40:08FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> weird
10:40:10FromDiscord<Elias> I am at school, but we have quite unrestricted internet. If i cant reach it, the county cant πŸ˜‚
10:40:44duuudeElias: yes
10:40:45FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> What about the link from a google search? https://www.google.com/search?q=nginxmanager&oq=nginxmanager&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13j0i13i30j0i8i13i30l7.2496j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
10:41:12FromDiscord<Elias> Guess we have some restrictions... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968824126783516702/unknown.png
10:41:18FromDiscord<Elias> haha
10:41:22FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> oh ok
10:41:29FromDiscord<AsbjΓΈrn F> that makes more sense...
10:41:32FromDiscord<Elias> yepp
10:41:32PMunchduuude, the Nim tutorials are a good place to start
10:41:54PMunchOr if you haven't had a look at Nim at all before then learnxinyminutes is a nice first glance look
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10:42:46PMunchIf you don't really know programming you can start with this tutorial: https://narimiran.github.io/nim-basics/
10:43:09FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @duuude "<@390570241903689728>: yes": I started (am starting) by rewriting a small C++ library of mine in nim...
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10:43:32FromDiscord<Elias> i like having a project when learning something new
10:43:36PMunchAnd if you like video content you can check out these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tVIsDYPClA
10:44:50PMunch@Elias, what kind of restrictive network are you on?
10:44:58PMunchEven my old school wasn't that restrictive
10:46:02FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @PMunch "<@390570241903689728>, what kind of": Hehe, were on the "open" network that the "fylkeskommune" administers instead of the school. Gotta love high-school
10:46:51FromDiscord<Elias> we cant have the same restrictions as the rest of the school since were doing network stuff
10:48:00FromDiscord<Elias> Would love open internet though
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11:11:51Arrrrrrr{.returnnotnil.} when
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11:12:57FromDiscord<Rika> `ref object not nil` soon?
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11:14:37ArrrrrrrIs for testing purposes
11:19:39PMunch@Elias, guess it's time to get a VPN ;)
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11:20:15PMunch@Elegantbeef, have you gone to bed yet?
11:20:26PMunchI found a slight problem in the code you sent
11:20:44PMunchIt doesn't really address that all of these take the same base type and return different types..
11:21:03FromDiscord<Elias> In reply to @PMunch "<@390570241903689728>, guess it's time": havent bothered to set it up at school, but would solve my problems yes
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11:22:15PMunchI'd need to add some kind of typedesc passing for that..
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11:30:05FromDiscord<Zoom> Wow. Wanted to try something lighter than cligen for my script and I'm disappointed. cliche doesn't support arguments at all, nim-argparse is broken, parseopts doesn't support standart `-n 0` or `-n0`, as far as I can tell.
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11:33:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Zoom "Wow. Wanted to try": how is argparse broken? i'm just curious
11:33:49PMunch@Zoom, yeah I've been missing a good cli library forever
11:34:25FromDiscord<exelotl> I've been pretty happy with parseopts personally x)
11:34:26FromDiscord<Zoom> [Yardanico](https://matrix.to/#/%40Tiberium%3Amatrix.org) https://github.com/iffy/nim-argparse/issues/77
11:34:50duuudewhat could be a reason not to use nim?
11:36:05duuudecould the fact that less people know nim than C come to play in an opensource project?
11:36:08FromDiscord<Zoom> GNU coding standards of gtfo \>\:)↡(@exelotl)
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11:40:12FromDiscord<Zoom> 1. Collaboration with people who don't know/can't learn or use Nim.↡2. Sometimes it's just easier to use an existing library infrastructure for a language than hack some LangA\<\>Nim interop in case there's no native/wrapper alternative already.↡3. Your target can't run arbitrary executables.↡(<@709044657232936960_duuude=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
11:43:14PMunchThe arguments are pretty much the same as for any kind of early adoption
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11:45:14FromDiscord<Zoom> [Yardanico](https://matrix.to/#/%40_discord_177365113899057152%3At2bot.io) give the issue I've linked above a thumbs-up when you read it ;)
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12:44:48NimEventerNew thread by Pietroppeter: AI’s opinions on Nim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9129
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12:55:25FromDiscord<hmmm> the best advertising for nim is just trying it and it feels like summer breezy air and it just werks, too bad most people don't even try πŸ€”
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13:11:09FromDiscord<aph> how does one wrap a javascript library
13:13:11FromDiscord<golova> In reply to @aph "how does one wrap": It's describes in Nim in Action book
13:13:18FromDiscord<golova> (edit) "describes" => "described"
13:13:38FromDiscord<aph> πŸ‘Œ
13:13:40FromDiscord<aph> thanks!
13:14:05FromDiscord<golova> In reply to @aph "πŸ‘Œ": afaik chapter about js ffi is free on author website
13:14:38FromDiscord<aph> yeah i see that
13:14:44FromDiscord<aph> chapter 8 i think
13:14:49FromDiscord<aph> thanks for the resources
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13:16:49FromDiscord<jken> Does choosenim work on apple sillicon?
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13:42:22FromDiscord<Zoom> I stand corrected, argparse is fine, and not broken (to my knowledge, at least). It's just me who's dumb.
13:44:47PMunch@Zoom, does argparse support chaining shortopts?
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13:49:03FromDiscord<Zoom> Don't know, but I bet it doesn't... Yep\: `Unknown argument(s): -ab`
13:49:25FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @PMunch "@Zoom, does argparse support": cligen does
13:49:52FromDiscord<Zoom> I know, it's what I use regularly. Just wanted to try something different.
13:49:55PMunch@Zoom, hmm
13:51:27FromDiscord<Zoom> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WnR↡(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
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13:55:02PMunchHuh neat, that works on the playground :)
13:57:07FromDiscord<Zoom> BTW, [Solitude](https://matrix.to/#/%40_discord_104136074569211904%3At2bot.io) (or anybody else), do you happen to know how to limit the number of positional args in cligen?
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13:58:37FromDiscord<Solitude> positional are the ones that arent flags?
13:59:03FromDiscord<Zoom> Yep, those which go to a seq[string]
13:59:25FromDiscord<Solitude> yep, cligen doesnt have any special handling for them, its up to you to assert their count
14:00:33FromDiscord<Zoom> Thx
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14:10:55FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @golova "afaik chapter about js": yep, can be downloaded here https://book.picheta.me/
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14:11:16FromDiscord<dom96> In reply to @jken "Does choosenim work on": it should work through Rosetta
14:11:25FromDiscord<dom96> there were some patches made to make it work
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14:19:09FromDiscord<vindaar> [Zoom](https://matrix.to/#/@Zoom:matrix.org)\: You could use an `array` of a fixed size I guess (not sure if arrays are supported directly) or just a custom type for which you define how it's parsed. c-blake is pretty open to ideas if you have any, too
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14:26:43FromDiscord<Knedlik> Hey guys, is it possible to get atleast somwhat accurate source from a dll? I want to mod a game of which I don't have source code, but I assume it's not possible with any compiled lang?
14:26:58FromDiscord<Knedlik> (edit) "somwhat" => "somewhat"
14:27:26FromDiscord<dom96> depends on the language, but it is possible
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14:28:26FromDiscord<Knedlik> We are in Nim Discord, I thought it's obvious the game is in Nim
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14:30:26FromDiscord<Knedlik> Or specifically, the backend dll is in nim
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14:44:05PMunch@Knedlik, then it'll be hard
14:45:02PMunchYou can use a disassembler to get you C code (but without any variable names), but the C code Nim outputs is pretty obfuscated and I'd guess more so after it has been passed through optimisation and then converted back from a binary format
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15:10:43FromDiscord<alehander42> hey
15:11:14FromDiscord<huantian> hey
15:11:43FromDiscord<dom96> hi
15:13:10FromDiscord<alehander42> i introduce my colleague @emil.ivanichkov
15:13:22FromDiscord<alehander42> he is kinda new to nim, but a cool guy
15:14:11FromDiscord<alehander42> in the meantime i realize that i am very bad at importc
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15:14:38FromDiscord<alehander42> so can someone help if importc should be able to work with patterns
15:14:48FromDiscord<alehander42> i thought importcpp is the pattern pragma
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15:15:54FromDiscord<alehander42> but it seems it forces compilation to c++, so i somehow misundestand it
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15:22:48FromDiscord<Rika> Import c doesn’t work with patterns I believe?
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15:26:37FromDiscord<alehander42> i see: probably that's the wrong approach
15:26:40FromDiscord<alehander42> but what does work
15:26:46FromDiscord<alehander42> for c compilation?
15:27:01FromDiscord<alehander42> is `importcpp` ok for `c`?
15:27:35FromDiscord<alehander42> i use it in the javascript backend
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15:28:35Amun-Raalehander42: iirc no
15:32:34FromDiscord<alehander42> so what do people do: use emit?
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15:42:19FromDiscord<huantian> Do you want the CodegenDecl pragma?
15:42:30FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "CodegenDecl" => "codegenDecl"
15:42:49FromDiscord<huantian> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#implementation-specific-pragmas-codegendecl-pragma
15:43:49FromDiscord<huantian> Wait no that’s for creating code
15:45:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @huantian "Wait no that’s for": it can be used for importing as well
15:45:20FromDiscord<huantian> Ah cool
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15:50:39Amun-Raalehander42: what people do use for what?
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15:52:30FromDiscord<alehander42> so what i want is
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15:53:02FromDiscord<alehander42> sorry, it might be a bad idea:
15:53:22FromDiscord<alehander42> generate `value.field_function(arg)`
15:53:30FromDiscord<alehander42> from a nim `field_function(value, arg)` call
15:53:53FromDiscord<alehander42> it seems one needs importcpp for that, however it seems like this enforces `nim cpp` even if one uses c
15:54:17FromDiscord<Rika> Isn’t the only time that works is when you have a field that’s a function pointer?
15:54:21FromDiscord<alehander42> yes
15:54:27FromDiscord<alehander42> it is a function pointer
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15:54:41FromDiscord<Rika> Just make a function with the same name as the field that then calls the field?
15:54:50FromDiscord<Rika> Or a template
15:54:52FromDiscord<alehander42> now it sounds obvious
15:54:57FromDiscord<Rika> Lol
15:55:02FromDiscord<alehander42> the first one
15:55:16FromDiscord<alehander42> ok, this should work when they are statically built
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16:01:01NimEventerNew post on r/nim by momoPFL01: Problem with inheritance + proc types + generic types, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/ud6yet/problem_with_inheritance_proc_types_generic_types/
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16:10:06NimEventerNew Nimble package! ssostrings - Small String Optimized (SSO) string implementation, see https://github.com/planetis-m/ssostrings
16:10:06NimEventerNew Nimble package! cowstrings - Copy-On-Write string implementation, see https://github.com/planetis-m/cowstrings
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16:42:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> nim https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968915123785838672/unknown.png
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16:48:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://github.com/Yardanico/nimpylib/issues/22#issuecomment-1111227149 if anyone's curious
16:49:10FromDiscord<dom96> epic, you should add to the library
16:50:23FromDiscord<Yardanico> well it already kind of supported that, but I added "type hints"
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16:50:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> but sadly "b: int = 5" isn't valid Nim syntax when used together in this way
16:50:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> so I had to replace it with ~
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16:54:56FromDiscord<dom96> ahh, that's a shame, but still nice
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17:13:24FromDiscord<enthus1ast> in marshal.nim
17:13:30FromDiscord<enthus1ast> there is this\:↡let z = y.to[\:Foo]
17:13:36FromDiscord<enthus1ast> what is \:Foo ?
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17:13:57FromDiscord<enthus1ast> never saw this syntax before
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17:16:18FromDiscord<dom96> It's the same as `to[Foo](y)`
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17:16:43FromDiscord<dom96> it's just a way to disambiguate the generic specialisation for the UFCS syntax
17:16:47FromDiscord<enthus1ast> i mean the \:Foo
17:16:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> \:
17:17:32FromDiscord<enthus1ast> oh ok? Do you know where this is documented?↡(@dom96)
17:17:35FromDiscord<dom96> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/2407
17:17:47FromDiscord<dom96> there is likely docs for this somewhere in the manual under generics or UFCS
17:18:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast> thank you @dom96 will have a look
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17:27:19FromDiscord<Rika> there isnt on the manual afaik
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17:30:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Rika "there isnt on the": it is
17:30:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#procedures-method-call-syntax
17:30:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> "The [: ] notation has been designed to mitigate this issue: x.p[:T] is rewritten by the parser to p[T](x), x.p[:T](y) is rewritten to p[T](x, y). Note that [: ] has no AST representation, the rewrite is performed directly in the parsing step."
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17:47:59FromDiscord<morgan> interesting
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19:16:24FromDiscord<Pralkarz> How can I generate a random int between 1 and 9_999_999_999 without Nim complaining about type mismatch?
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19:17:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wpt
19:17:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> of course also call `randomize` so the random values are different each time you launch the program
19:17:46FromDiscord<Pralkarz> Tried that unfortunately. :/
19:17:51FromDiscord<Pralkarz> `type mismatch: got 'int64' for 'rand(1'i64 .. 9999999999'i64)' but expected 'int'`
19:18:23FromDiscord<Pralkarz> Oh. πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ
19:18:27FromDiscord<Pralkarz> I typed my variable incorrectly.
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19:18:31FromDiscord<Pralkarz> Sorry and thank you!
19:20:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Pralkarz "I typed my variable": when learning nim it might be useful to type out your variables, but generally you don't need to do that
19:20:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> just `let val = rand(1'i64..9_999_999_999)` is enough
19:21:24FromDiscord<Pralkarz> In reply to @Yardanico "when learning nim it": I don't really plan to learn it per-se, using it for a university project since there's extra credit for "creativity", and not many people use Nim.
19:21:41FromDiscord<Pralkarz> I'm using other languages at work, so thought that it won't hurt to challenge myself a bit.
19:21:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> i wish my university would give credits for creativity :)
19:21:50FromDiscord<Pralkarz> (edit) "I'm using other languages at work, so ... thought" added "I"
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19:22:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Pralkarz "I don't really plan": well, then you generally don't need to type out your variables if you initialize them immediately
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19:24:06FromDiscord<Pralkarz> This particular one is modified dynamically, hence the typing.
19:24:13FromDiscord<Pralkarz> I will keep that in mind though, thanks!
19:24:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Pralkarz "This particular one is": you still don't have to, if you initialize it with another value :P
19:24:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> `var val = call()` works the same
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19:34:17FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @AsbjΓΈrn F "oh ok": Finally off work. Webdev channel is a pretty decent t resource. If you have not specific webdev questions regarding building rest APIs in prologue I can offer some support as I am currently building a medium sized project using a prologue rest API myself
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20:08:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Doubt you're on, but pmunch how doesnt it?
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20:54:45FromDiscord<kunitoki> how to extract more info for an AssertDefect raised in the compiler in types.nim ?
20:55:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @kunitoki "how to extract more": if you installed nim manually, run `nim_dbg`
20:55:11FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/2iX
20:55:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> also, this is "just" a compiler bug, it's not a bug in your program
20:55:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "if you installed nim": otherwise compile nim compiler in debug mode and use that
20:55:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> or share the code there so others can also do that :)
20:55:54FromDiscord<kunitoki> ouch is a bit complicated to share, i didn't push all my latest changes
20:56:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, if you installed nim via build_all.sh or the tarballs, you should have nim_dbg available
20:56:30FromDiscord<kunitoki> i installed with choosenim
20:56:42FromDiscord<kunitoki> not sure i want to go down that path right now
20:56:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> don't think choosenim compiles nim_dbg, but you can just check
20:57:03FromDiscord<kunitoki> no i don't have
20:57:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WpY
20:58:27FromDiscord<kunitoki> ok thanks, will try
20:58:43FromDiscord<kunitoki> i've tried isolate the issue, but if i isolate, it works
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20:59:30FromDiscord<kunitoki> it must be the tons of bindings i have dragged in the project that are killing the compiler
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21:02:25FromDiscord<kunitoki> it's strange that assertion defect doesn't print a stacktrace in the compiler at least
21:03:09FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @Yardanico "also, this is "just"": i honestly find it terrifying how many people think that internal compiler errors are normal error messages / exceptions
21:04:07FromDiscord<konsumlamm> if you think about how many bugs stay unreported because people simply look for a workaround because they think they made a mistake
21:04:31FromDiscord<kunitoki> yeah honestly it's a bit problematic
21:04:51FromDiscord<konsumlamm> i wonder why that is though, maybe because people aren't used to compilers having many bugs?
21:05:14FromDiscord<kunitoki> now i need to go down into the compiler, which i didn't want at this time, maybe later yes
21:05:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> you don't have to, maybe it was already reported, maybe it can be easily worked around
21:05:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> you're not expected to fix it
21:05:48FromDiscord<kunitoki> well no compiler is perfect, i hit hundreds of ICE in clang and gcc and msvc in the past
21:05:57FromDiscord<konsumlamm> either way, ig the error messages should point out that it's an internal error that should be reported
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21:06:21FromDiscord<kunitoki> yep error reporting should be a bit clearer
21:07:11FromDiscord<konsumlamm> hey look, i already made an issue about it: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19610
21:07:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @konsumlamm "either way, ig the": they do in most cases
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21:07:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's just that some compiler code hasn't been updated to properly error (even for an internal error) instead of asserts
21:08:04FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @Yardanico "they do in most": i've never seen one that does as far as i remember
21:08:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> hmm, I guess most ICEs just get fixed instead of just fixing the error
21:09:21NimEventerNew thread by Foderking: Compiler giving wrong error message?., see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9130
21:09:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> @konsumlamm see the usage of internalError
21:09:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> in the compiler
21:09:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> ideally someone should make a PR replacing all compiler asserts into internalError :)
21:10:10FromDiscord<konsumlamm> In reply to @Yardanico "<@312654963694108674> see the usage": do you have a link to its definition?
21:10:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968982545498783864/unknown.png
21:10:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> lines 607 and 612 in compiler/msgs.niom
21:10:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "compiler/msgs.niom" => "compiler/msgs.nim"
21:11:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wq1
21:11:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wq2
21:11:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968982830828883998/unknown.png
21:12:12FromDiscord<kunitoki> In reply to @Yardanico "hmm, I guess most": you workaround when is possible, and update compiler when it isn't
21:12:57FromDiscord<kunitoki> now what i do with this ? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968983112778416128/message.txt
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21:13:31FromDiscord<kunitoki> it seems the issue is because of `resolveStarsInCppType`
21:13:51FromDiscord<konsumlamm> yeah, i see that
21:14:09FromDiscord<kunitoki> because i have a bunch of heavily templated c++ types all over the place
21:14:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968983486113415258/unknown.png
21:14:30FromDiscord<konsumlamm> now the interesting part is what `errInternal` is (i'm on mobile currently)
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21:14:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @konsumlamm "now the interesting part": enum value of course
21:14:57FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968983616124235776/unknown.png
21:15:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/968983633350238218/unknown.png
21:15:43FromDiscord<konsumlamm> of course
21:16:41FromDiscord<konsumlamm> see, that's the proglem though, it doesn't say anything about that this is a compiler bug or opening an issue
21:16:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes yes i know
21:16:55FromDiscord<konsumlamm> it may be obvious to us, but apparently not to everyone
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21:24:31FromDiscord<kunitoki> in any case, if you don't want to go and fix it (which could require months, maybe a year of study for a non nim compiler dev) you are still to try to workaround
21:24:39FromDiscord<kunitoki> (edit) "workaround" => "work it around"
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21:26:26FromDiscord<konsumlamm> my point was that most people don't even consider the possibility that they encountered a compuler bug, they think they just used the language/library wrong
21:27:05FromDiscord<konsumlamm> so they don't report the bug
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21:28:28FromDiscord<kunitoki> i agree, especially if those bugs are difficult to repro or need a lot of code and stuff around, in which case you will be told to reduce to the minimum, and then the bug is gone, like in my case
21:29:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Choosenim needs to ship a debug compiler to make min repros easier
21:29:36FromDiscord<kunitoki> i was able to isolate the line that produced the issue, but now it's a ascending path
21:30:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea if you arent using a debug compiler use one it makes life a bit easier
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21:39:39FromDiscord<kunitoki> it seems like a strange issue, if i replace the function that is the culprit with its body inline, then it works
21:40:11FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wq9
21:40:38FromDiscord<kunitoki> this is the line that chokes, bindClosure will just call a c++ special bind function that is taking the closure rawProc and rawEnv
21:42:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's the bindclosure proc do?
21:43:10FromDiscord<kunitoki> then it works
21:43:11FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wqb
21:43:30FromDiscord<kunitoki> bindInternal just forwards to a c++
21:44:06FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wqc
21:44:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok but what's the bind closure proc verbatim?
21:44:41FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wqd
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21:45:58FromDiscord<kunitoki> should i add an explicit `{.closure.}` pragma to the bindClosure arg ? the compiler is not hinting it, i think it does it automatically
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21:46:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should have it annotated
21:46:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> As an argument to a procedure if it's not annotated i think it can accept nimcall
21:46:53FromDiscord<kunitoki> will try adding it
21:47:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea in the case there is no captured environment it wont make it a closure and will pass it as a nimcall afaik
21:48:53FromDiscord<kunitoki> yeah, but closure or non closure pragma, i still get the assert defect
21:49:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ok
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21:53:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cant say much without the entire code
21:54:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Somewhere it calls `elemType` i believe and due to FFI it's empty is my present reasoning
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22:10:05FromDiscord<kunitoki> yeah, is there a way to extract the cppType of an importcpp ?
22:10:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue
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22:11:06FromDiscord<kunitoki> ok, what happens if i modify the compiler , should i run build_all.sh again ?
22:11:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `./koch temp c ./myFile.nim`
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22:17:25FromDiscord<kunitoki> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3Wqk
22:17:56FromDiscord<kunitoki> if i remove the star from the `'0` it then works !
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22:19:49FromDiscord<kunitoki> basically the `` there is like `std::remove_cvref` in c++ right ?
22:20:29FromDiscord<kunitoki> damn those files in the nim compiler. pretty dense
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22:35:35FromDiscord<kunitoki> Things start to move in the right direction https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/969003907563028530/unknown.png
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22:36:46FromDiscord<kunitoki> thanks all for the help so far ! and good night
22:37:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Buh bye
22:38:40FromDiscord<kunitoki> Bruh 🀣
22:38:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What?
22:39:21FromDiscord<kunitoki> Nothing, i read that as bruh bye
22:39:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah
22:39:59FromDiscord<kunitoki> It reminded me of a post in the forum
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22:40:36FromDiscord<dom96> Not only are we saying bro we're now imagining it
22:40:52FromDiscord<dom96> Time to rename this discord to 'Bro' I guess
22:41:04FromDiscord<dom96> πŸ˜†
22:41:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time to rename the language to "Bro"
22:41:11FromDiscord<kunitoki> It was fun when i read the post
22:41:25FromDiscord<exelotl> Bro is my favourite brogramming language
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22:41:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> instead of `sink` parameters have `suh` parameters
22:42:05FromDiscord<kunitoki> Yeah Bro seems like better than all the new languages starting with v
22:42:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Odd they end with v aswell
22:42:49FromDiscord<exelotl> `sus` parameters πŸ‘€
22:43:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No sus is what we name `nil`
22:43:16FromDiscord<kunitoki> No sus is the new ptr
22:43:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `if a.isSus`
22:43:40FromDiscord<kunitoki> I love it
22:43:54FromDiscord<kunitoki> So clear and concise
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23:04:18FromDiscord<!Patitotective> ࢞
23:05:34FromDiscord<exelotl> mmh this gonna be slightly annoying https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/19722
23:06:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh noes a warning πŸ˜„
23:06:36FromDiscord<exelotl> I want my lib to support nim 1.4 since that's what debian/ubuntu users have
23:06:52FromDiscord<exelotl> 1.4 doesn't have --mm
23:07:00FromDiscord<exelotl> so I have to use --gc in my examples
23:07:20FromDiscord<exelotl> --gc will raise warnings
23:07:30FromDiscord<exelotl> pain
23:07:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is this really an issue?
23:07:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 'If using Nim version pre 1.6 use `--gc` otherwise use --mm\`
23:09:18FromDiscord<exelotl> it's not an insurmountable issue, it's just a bit of friction in the experience for new users
23:09:29FromDiscord<exelotl> and bits of friction add up
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23:10:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And i mean it's only going to be in the next major release
23:10:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So you still have a bunch of time πŸ˜„
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23:15:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Joke aside just using `--gc` in your examples should suffice given going to take 10000 years before it's an error
23:16:03FromDiscord<exelotl> the only solution to remove the warning is going to be to ditch 1.4 support, which I don't wanna do cause it seems like those debian/ubuntu systems are gonna be stuck with 1.4 for a long time
23:16:46FromDiscord<exelotl> but yeah I mean having the warning isn't the end of the world I guess
23:17:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems debian is at 1.6.4
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23:18:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast bookworm/bullseye backports
23:18:37FromDiscord<exelotl> ah interesting
23:18:43FromDiscord<huantian> people that use their system's package manager for programing langs deserve it πŸ‘Ώ
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23:18:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I concur
23:19:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also after using debian sid, if you dont use rolling, what are you doing πŸ˜›
23:19:31FromDiscord<xflywind> The warning is for Nim 2.0 since it doesn’t have backport in the PR title.
23:19:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mentioned that
23:22:02FromDiscord<exelotl> when Nim 2.0 comes out I'll _aim_ to keep supporting older versions too for a while, unless there's major breaking changes that make it impossible
23:22:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean even if there is `when NimMajorVersion >= 2` exists πŸ˜„
23:23:42FromDiscord<exelotl> yeah, it's just really ugly to put that in the config files for all the example/template projects xD
23:25:15FromDiscord<xflywind> Nim 2.0 defaults to ORC, which should be enough to be a breaking change πŸ˜„
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23:26:46FromDiscord<huantian> but orc is perfect, how could it break anything
23:27:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh exelotl is using `--gc:none` iirc so it's hardly an issue
23:27:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Move semantics are hard huan, so that's how 😜
23:27:33FromDiscord<exelotl> oh I'm on `arc` now!
23:27:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> oh shit gc'd memory
23:27:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fuck it's the future
23:28:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is GBG using it?
23:29:12FromDiscord<exelotl> yes, only for a few infrequently allocated/deallocated heap things
23:29:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Regardless nice to hear
23:29:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I just got reminded I need to make the RFC to make strutils use `openarray[char]` for 2.0 πŸ˜„
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23:31:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Atleast i think an RFC is probably needed before a massive PR πŸ˜„
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23:34:09FromDiscord<exelotl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3WqA
23:38:37FromDiscord<exelotl> tbh I might just change it to manual alloc/dealloc, I don't really gain anything from the ref counting here πŸ˜…
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23:43:11FromDiscord<exelotl> in theory I'm protected from a leak or use-after-free, but like, calling `show` or `hide` twice is _already_ wrong so all it would mean is that my code would be more "gracefully" buggy, but still buggy at the end of the day
23:46:36NimEventerNew Nimble package! nimdotenv - Load local environment variables from .env files, see https://wioenena-q.github.io/nim-dotenv
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