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02:36:35ForumUpdaterBotNew post on r/nim by thprogramador: GUI toolkit for use with Nim, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/nlxnru/gui_toolkit_for_use_with_nim/
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05:45:02FromGitter<gogolxdong> Hint: used config file 'C:\Nim\config\nim.cfg' [Conf] ⏎ Hint: used config file 'C:\Nim\config\config.nims' [Conf] ⏎ Hint: used config file 'C:\lingX\config.nims' [Conf] ⏎ .fatal.nim(53) sysFatal ⏎ Error: unhandled exception: over- or underflow [OverflowDefect] [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=60af31de45c2185a5ef14c40]
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08:46:59ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Mantielero: Libraries: geometry - 3d - coord systems , see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8046
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09:44:44FromDiscord<ilmanzo> now I manually downloaded the binary release .. but I don't get where is the issue
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09:45:34FromDiscord<ilmanzo> (edit) "now I manually downloaded the ... binary" added "1.4.8 nim"
09:46:13FromDiscord<dom96> The issue is with choosenim, you can give this one a try and see if it works https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/releases/tag/v0.5.0
09:46:48Oddmongerwhat, nim 1.4.8 is here ?
09:47:09Oddmongeri had just updated to 1.4.6
09:47:51FromDiscord<ilmanzo> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3o0z
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09:49:33FromDiscord<dom96> cool, can you report this in choosenim's issue tracker together with info about your system? (Linux distro, version, anything else that might help us reproduce this issue)
09:50:33FromDiscord<ilmanzo> In reply to @dom96 "cool, can you report": sure, but honestly I don't know how to reproduce it ... On another system I had no issue
09:50:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> The nim 1.4.8 update was mostly due to dealing with the antivirus situation
09:53:01Oddmongerah , just for changing signature for antivirus ^^'
09:54:14narimiranthat's not the only change
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10:32:36FromDiscord<mlokis> https://github.com/jakubDoka/netbuff i finished it
10:33:51FromDiscord<mlokis> Need to add a subtitle but its High level safe data buffering.
10:39:29ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Arnetheduck: FutureVar in async, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8047
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11:35:35ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Jasonfi: How to respond to an OPTIONS request?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8048
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11:52:14FromDiscord<kraptor> Hi, noob here maybe someone can explain... What's the difference between case B and C? Why D works? May we get a warning on using {.union.} on ref objects directly or is this a bug? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o0Z
11:53:43FromDiscord<kraptor> Sorry, proper link here: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o12
11:53:55FromDiscord<kraptor> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
11:58:11PMunchHmm, yeah I guess {.union.} can't be applied to ref object
11:58:46PMunchBy putting it late you're saying that it's a `ref` to an `object {.union.}`, similar to what case C does I'd imagine
11:59:47FromDiscord<kraptor> yeah, in that case I get a warning, that this form of using pragmas is deprecated
12:03:02PMunchYeah it is, and has been for a while
12:03:28PMunchMight be a bug that {.union.} for ref objects doesn't work, it should at least throw an error. Have you checked the GitHub issues?
12:03:46FromDiscord<kraptor> I only found my own report: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/14307
12:11:38ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Brunomerod: Problem installing nimble via ./koch on linux, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8049
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13:35:48ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Bung: How to handle concurrent requests when my chronos based web framework with chronos based mysql lib, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/8050
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14:15:59FromDiscord<ajusa> I wrote a simple print based test runner if anyone is interested: https://github.com/ajusa/susta↵I'll add it to nimble once there is more documentation in the README, but I'd appreciate any feedback!
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14:19:32ForumUpdaterBotNew Nimble package! netbuff - Fast and unsafe byte buffering for intensive network data transfer., see https://github.com/jakubDoka/netbuff
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14:40:33FromDiscord<alehander42> hey
14:40:42FromDiscord<alehander42> can we have functions in `if`
14:41:46FromDiscord<alehander42> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o1J
14:41:53FromDiscord<alehander42> and in javascript backend this generates `if (b) { } .. `
14:42:09FromDiscord<alehander42> so it just doesn't seem to generate the code
14:42:26FromDiscord<alehander42> function definitions in `if`
14:48:00FromDiscord<alehander42> it generates it but it doesn't seem to assign it
14:48:23FromDiscord<alehander42> i am using an older version of nim though (and hello after long time)
14:50:00FromDiscord<haxscramper> !eval let a = (if 1 == 1: (proc = echo "123") else: nil); a()
14:50:05NimBot123
14:50:35FromDiscord<alehander42> huh
14:50:56FromDiscord<haxscramper> It works on C, so JS backend missing this functionality is probably a bug
14:51:12FromDiscord<alehander42> maybe DCE
14:51:18FromDiscord<alehander42> (edit) "DCE" => "dce"
14:51:36FromDiscord<alehander42> dead code elimination
14:51:40FromDiscord<alehander42> but probably missing
14:52:14FromDiscord<haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o1M
14:52:28FromDiscord<haxscramper> But it does generate empty `if(true)` for me as well on `1.4.6`
14:52:42FromDiscord<alehander42> yes!
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15:25:44FromDiscord<Airbus5717> bruh is that nim?
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15:32:11PrestigeI think that's js? haha
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15:34:38FromDiscord<haxscramper> This is JS code generated from `let a = (if 1 == 1: (proc = echo "123") else: nil); a()`
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15:38:40FromDiscord<willyboar> In reply to @ajusa "I wrote a simple": Susta in greek is synonymous with spring, coil
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15:39:35FromDiscord<exelotl> that sounds pretty sus :amogus:
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15:50:55FromGitter<kaushalmodi> In Hindi/Gujarati, susta/sustu is "cheap"
15:54:04FromDiscord<Anuke> I know nimsuggest is known to be a memory hog but this is getting ridiculous https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/847502927765307422/2021-05-27_11-51-51.png
15:54:46FromDiscord<Anuke> 25gb+ of RAM taken up by nimsuggest processes
15:54:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Not nimsuggests fault
15:55:05FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If a project isnt properly setup an instance is spawned per file 😄
15:55:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Atleast with the vscode extension
15:58:30FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> You can also set the path for the project if needed using the settings
15:59:17FromDiscord<Anuke> Does that affect suggestion quality?
15:59:46FromDiscord<lamersc.com> In reply to @Anuke "Does that affect suggestion": It effects your poor computer
15:59:47FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It shouldnt, it just means a single instance like intended
16:00:15FromDiscord<Anuke> In reply to @ElegantBeef "If a project isnt": I opened maybe 10 different files at most since opening VS code, so that still seems unreasonable
16:00:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> The same static analysis is going on, just in fewer instances
16:00:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Which nim extension are you using?
16:00:43FromDiscord<Anuke> saem/vscode-nim
16:01:08FromDiscord<Anuke> (edit) "saem/vscode-nim ... " added "(v0.1.21)"
16:01:19FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Ah then yea that one allows you to specify project paths and has proper dispatching, as long as you have a "proper" project
16:01:44FromDiscord<Anuke> Does the project path have to include every file you're using, or only the entry point?
16:01:54FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Should only be entry point
16:02:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> If you have multiple entry points, specify them all
16:02:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://github.com/saem/vscode-nim#using
16:04:43FromDiscord<Anuke> I see, will try that and see if it reduces the memory usage, thanks
16:05:13FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea, especially since iirc you like many source files at root, the extension must've had many issues
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16:23:47FromDiscord<willyboar> matrix and irc bridge seems to collapsed
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16:34:21FromDiscord<ajusa> In reply to @kaushalmodi "In Hindi/Gujarati, susta/sustu is": Yep, that's what I was going for! The idea being that this is a cheap way to write tests 😄
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16:37:11FromDiscord<willyboar> but it can be flexible like a spring
16:37:15FromDiscord<willyboar> 😛
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16:38:25FromDiscord<ajusa> Yeah, print based testing is honestly really nice and flexible. I'll make sure to include both translations in the readme :nim1:
16:39:02FromDiscord<willyboar> susta/σούστα(ελατήριο)
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16:45:04FromDiscord<garett> Good morning friends of Nim
16:45:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Dont call me friend, pal!
16:45:42FromDiscord<garett> I wanted to do some Sym comparison in a macro, and I came up with a technique that works
16:46:01FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> `yourSym.eqIdent("name")`
16:46:04FromDiscord<garett> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o2l
16:46:18FromDiscord<garett> Beef, you're just checking whether they have the same Ident
16:46:23FromDiscord<garett> that is not symbol equality
16:46:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well of course, i'm not your friend afterall 😄
16:46:48FromDiscord<garett> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o2m
16:47:24FromDiscord<garett> This comparison lets me check whether ty[0] is the same symbol as the symbol for the type `Texture`
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16:48:17FromDiscord<garett> it is a little ugly, but I could maybe make another macro that emits the 3-line block `textureSym {.compileTime.}...`
16:48:48FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Why are you even passing the ident there?
16:49:02FromDiscord<garett> usage: `uniform albedo : Texture`
16:49:53FromDiscord<garett> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o2o
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17:25:04FromDiscord<zetashift> Just starred a treeform repo that doesn't even contain code yet, that's how sure I am that I'll already will like it
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17:29:04FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> hello, how can i make a function return an array/sequence?
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17:32:26Prestigeproc foo(): seq[int] = return @[1, 2, 3]
17:34:38FromGitter<bung87> can I export * from module ? I dont want that module name conflict with my variable
17:35:29PrestigeI'm not sure about than but you can import x as y if that helps?
17:37:38FromGitter<bung87> well the conflict symbol comming from x module export a, I have a variable
17:40:27PrestigeSo module x exports a, and you have a variable named a? I'd have to look into it, haven't tried resolving this issue before without a variable rename
17:41:10FromGitter<bung87> yeah, also my first time , I can only iterater what I need from a for now
18:00:53FromGitter<bung87> rename variable easier. thanks!
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18:04:07FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @zetashift "Just starred a treeform": Thank you for the vote of confidence.
18:12:31FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o2N
18:12:57FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> that doesn't work
18:13:57FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o2O
18:14:07Prestigeimport strutils
18:14:24Prestigethen you can do `if b in a:`
18:14:43FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> oh
18:14:49FromDiscord<Ondrejoda> thanks!
18:18:01FromDiscord<ajusa> In reply to @zetashift "Just starred a treeform": Wait was Pixie originally going to be pixely before it was changed? That would make it consistent in the treeformverse
18:24:26FromDiscord<zetashift> treeformverse, that's beautiful
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18:36:14FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Idk why am I even here, what is Nim used for?
18:38:04FromGitter<bung87> "used for " could be more detail ?
18:39:53PrestigeIt's a programming language, you can do pretty much anything with it
18:40:32PrestigeCheck out https://nim-lang.org/ and feel free to ask questions
18:41:01FromDiscord<willyboar> what is nim not used for?
18:41:38FromGitter<bung87> widely use I guess
18:42:13FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Is it any better for desktop app development?
18:42:28FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I haven't heard of this language, idk how I even got to this Discord.
18:42:59FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Kind of looks like if Lua and Python had a baby.
18:43:00FromGitter<bung87> you can search github gui language:nim
18:43:02FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Tbh
18:43:27FromGitter<bung87> there're some good libs
18:43:34PrestigeThere are a number of cross platform GUI libraries available. Nim compiles to c, so it's fast. You could also use bindings to C libraries
18:43:49Prestigehttps://nimble.directory/ to search for Nim packages
18:44:03FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> So it's kind of a language that simplifies C?
18:44:57FromDiscord<hugogranstrom.nim> Most importantly it makes it fun to program 🙂
18:45:20FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Maybe or maybe I'll try it.
18:45:25FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> (edit) "I'll" => " noyI'll"
18:45:31FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> (edit) " noyI'll" => "not I'll"
18:45:32PrestigeI suggest reading the home page and looking at https://nim-lang.org/documentation.html
18:46:58FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Wowsies, I love the fact that it's statically typed.
18:47:47FromDiscord<willyboar> In reply to @Encrypted Backpack "Maybe or maybe not": We - the users- are strongly recommend you to try it.
18:48:20FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I feel like in a cult that tries to force em to use join them.
18:49:24PrestigeWe're byok (bring your own kool-aid)
18:50:08FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> 😩 I'll check that shit out when I'm done writing my Discord bot, maybe I'll be eating from the same garbage as you thankss
18:51:06FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> (edit) "😩 I'll check that shit out when I'm done writing my Discord bot, maybe I'll be eating from the same garbage ... assomeday," added "bin" | "binas you ... thankss" added "someday,"
19:03:46FromDiscord<zetashift> you can write your bot in Nim! https://github.com/krisppurg/dimscord
19:04:51FromDiscord<zetashift> In reply to @Encrypted Backpack "I feel like in": You're gonna get biased views if you're asking those kind of questions in one of the main Nim hangouts 😛
19:06:20FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I feel like rewriting the bot in JS would be better.
19:06:25FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:06:37FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> After all discord.js is written by Discord themselves.
19:13:49FromDiscord<InventorMatt> Nim can also compile to javascript as well
19:14:47FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> What's the point of knowing 2 languages just to write a Discord bot tho?
19:15:23FromDiscord<InventorMatt> You don't. You just need nim
19:18:19FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I don't think Nim can be used as a frontend.
19:18:29PrestigeIt can
19:19:01FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> :mikestare:
19:19:10PrestigeI believe the nim website and https://stardust.dev/play/ are both entirely Nim
19:20:49FromDiscord<willyboar> In reply to @Encrypted Backpack "I don't think Nim": Karax disagrees
19:20:49FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Wow you made me play an Agar.io clone.
19:20:54FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> 👏 👏
19:21:20PrestigeWho made stardust, dom? I don't remember
19:21:24FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Bruh it's like a slideshow I can't play it.
19:21:28FromDiscord<zetashift> yea dom did
19:21:39FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Who's dom
19:21:48FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Cult leader?
19:22:14PrestigeGame seems smooth on my computer
19:22:35Prestigecult leader?
19:24:09FromDiscord<zetashift> In reply to @Encrypted Backpack "Who's dom": a Nim core team member and a cool person all around. Game is a bit choppy on mine tho
19:24:46FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Yeah every web game sucks at my computer.
19:24:57Prestigeprobably hasn't implemented any client side prediction I would guess
19:25:00FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I'm running Fedora Linux with Nvidia 1650 Ti mobile
19:25:34FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Although WebGL3D rendering isn't done by my GPU
19:26:13FromDiscord<exelotl> If you want to see more examples of where Nim is used you can check out some of the NimConf talks from last year :)
19:26:22FromDiscord<exelotl> Here's mine: https://youtu.be/sZUM7MhWr88
19:27:01FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> What the fuck are .h files
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19:27:05FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I see them all over the place
19:27:12PrestigeWhere?
19:27:26FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> It's like a curse.
19:27:33FromDiscord<haxscramper> header files for C
19:27:40FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Oh
19:27:47FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Oh yeh Nim is C
19:27:49FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> SO
19:27:54FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> (edit) "SO" => "So"
19:27:58FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Makes sense.
19:28:16FromDiscord<haxscramper> Well, if you don't deal with C interop you don't need to worry about this in nim
19:28:26FromDiscord<haxscramper> Though C interop comes up pretty often so
19:28:34FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Idk man maybe I'll learn Nim at one point I want to write a simple OS after all.
19:29:41FromDiscord<haxscramper> I think there are several OS implementations already. https://github.com/dom96/nimkernel is one
19:30:06FromDiscord<haxscramper> And also a Linux kernel module example
19:32:59FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> What
19:33:01FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Is that
19:33:07FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Colored output
19:39:51FromDiscord<zetashift> That color output is text being displayed from a kernel written in Nim(this is hard stuff to pull off)
19:40:51FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Hard is in my name
19:40:53FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> and in my pants
19:41:06FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I heff achieve komedy
19:46:44FromDiscord<kalekale> In reply to @zetashift "That color output is": its fairly simple
19:46:57FromDiscord<kalekale> ive done something like this in rust before
19:49:25FromDiscord<kalekale> In reply to @haxscramper "I think there are": rather than a os implementation, this is more a proof of concept that you can write a kernel in nim
19:50:13FromDiscord<zetashift> In reply to @kalekale "its fairly simple": Depends on the type of person sure, but just writing a small kernel isn't something anybody just does
19:51:21FromDiscord<kalekale> hate to break it to you but i dont think that counts as a small kernel, its more like a freestanding program that runs on baremetal
19:51:44FromDiscord<kalekale> even a "small" kernel has alot into it
19:52:13FromDiscord<kalekale> >It doesn't do much, but it doesn't need to. Its purpose is to provide a starting point for anyone wishing to write an OS in Nim.
19:52:19FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Yeah
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19:59:51FromDiscord<garett> Is it possible for a macro with untyped parameters to emit a call to a macro that takes typed parameters?
20:04:57FromDiscord<haxscramper> yes, just genereate call to that macro
20:05:42FromDiscord<haxscramper> `typed` macros are evaluated during semcheck, it will be evaluated when code from first macro is processed
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20:31:42FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Nim is made by a bunch of Russians
20:32:23FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Pointless statements that arent exactly true 😄
20:33:31FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Russians, Ukrainians they're both the same to me
20:33:49FromDiscord<neow> you have insulted many people right now
20:33:55FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Have I?
20:34:05FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I mean it's good.
20:34:29FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I'm glad that people around me have made something as difficult as a fucking programming language.
20:34:39FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well Araq is german so be sad 😛
20:34:44FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> I think it's more complex than wrting an os by hand with a desktop environment.
20:34:49FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:35:01FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> A lot of Russian names popped up in the GitHub people page
20:35:14FromDiscord<neow> no, I meant the "russia, ukraine both same to me"
20:35:19FromDiscord<VinKer> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o3s
20:35:38FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> Oh
20:35:39FromDiscord<zetashift> In reply to @kalekale "hate to break it": I get what you're saying, but my point was more that nimkernel shows what can be done with Nim in what would otherwise be an intermediate task for a lot of people.
20:35:43FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> What's so offensive about it
20:36:00FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Vinker that's not local type inference, so i dont think it's possible in Nim
20:36:12FromDiscord<Encrypted Backpack> They're literally the same to me in context that their languages are pretty similar and that they just remind me of each other.
20:36:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "Vinker that's not local type inference, so i dont think it's possible in Nim ... " added "atm"
20:36:29FromDiscord<zetashift> Getting a bit offtopic here...🥲
20:36:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> My rfc that talks about stronger type inference should eventually allow that type of inference, due to encouraging more passing of "what's desired"
20:37:00FromDiscord<neow> /last comment, maybe i'm wrong, but afaik many ukrainians want to distance themselves from russia
20:37:10FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> But it's poorly made RFC that's mostly just about enums 😄
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20:37:21FromDiscord<kalekale> i refer to russians and Ukrainians as slavs
20:37:40FromDiscord<zetashift> In reply to @ElegantBeef "My rfc that talks": Shameless self advertising detected ( I like that RFC tho, I didn't know it was also about anonymous funcs)
20:37:53FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's not about anonymous funcs
20:38:02FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's about passing more information from the left hand 😄
20:38:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I mostly focused on enums, but there was also the array examples
20:38:48FromDiscord<VinKer> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o3w
20:38:49FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Where `var a: array[4, byte] = @[10, 20, 30]` works
20:39:15FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well the issue is just that when you do `= (s, e) =>` it doesnt know the types that are desired
20:39:43FromDiscord<VinKer> It knows that onMouseDown is an EventHandler type
20:39:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Since that information isnt passed or even a concern to the right hand of the assignment
20:40:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Sure, but that information isnt used for any definition on the right side
20:40:55FromDiscord<VinKer> @ElegantBeef Oh I see
20:41:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Increasing the strength of local type inference could help but doubtful due to the amount of specific logic that'd be needed there
20:42:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> you also have to remember that the lambda is a macro, so it's generating a proc body outside the scope of the left hand assignment
20:42:27FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> So there are many reasons why this isnt going to work
20:42:40FromDiscord<VinKer> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o3x
20:42:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Sure, but D isnt Nim
20:42:55FromDiscord<VinKer> @ElegantBeef Yeah 🙂
20:42:55FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's possible to do, but in D that lambda isnt a macro right?
20:43:16FromDiscord<VinKer> You mean log ?
20:43:21FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No the `=>`
20:43:27FromDiscord<VinKer> Oh
20:43:43FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> In Nim the `=>` is a macro that is just shorthand for `proc(a: T1, b: T2) = body`
20:44:02FromDiscord<VinKer> In sugar module ?
20:44:06FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes
20:44:30FromDiscord<VinKer> So that's a generic proc
20:44:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> It's like if you did `a = void Name() = discard` or w/e
20:44:46FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> No that's not what macros are in Nim, they're AST replacements
20:45:03FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Which means they take what they're given and apply logic on it to create new AST
20:45:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> So you can always make a macro for this, but it wouldnt be very ergonomic
20:45:35FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Actually it might be
20:45:42FromDiscord<VinKer> I am too weak in macros.
20:46:10FromDiscord<VinKer> So my best choice is to write down all type names
20:46:12FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well i'll quickly write an example of how you might do it
20:46:29FromDiscord<exelotl> The nim anonymous proc situation is a bit awkward. What with => being the nicest solution but it only works for single statement bodies :(
20:46:32FromDiscord<VinKer> @ElegantBeef That would be great. Thanks in advance
20:46:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Eh i dislike lambdas so i'm a very terrible human
20:47:02FromDiscord<VinKer> @ElegantBeef 😆
20:48:17FromDiscord<VinKer> @exelotl Oh, so you can't write multi line statements ?
20:51:24FromDiscord<exelotl> Its hard to type code on my phone, I'll find my forum post instead xF
20:51:34FromDiscord<exelotl> (edit) "xF" => "xD"
20:54:19FromDiscord<exelotl> Aha here @VinKer
20:54:21FromDiscord<exelotl> https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6399#39491
20:57:47FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Like i said not overly ergonomic but a macro could be used https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3o3A
20:57:52FromDiscord<JSONBash> @ElegantBeef do you ever sleep or take a break?
20:58:14FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yes, but i'm chronically useless so i stay in here making macros apparently 😄
21:09:23FromDiscord<VinKer> @ElegantBeef thanks. Let me check.
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22:25:37FromGitter<BracketMaster> Does it make sense to write drivers in Nim?
22:26:10FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I personally dont see why not
22:26:23FromGitter<BracketMaster> cool
22:26:27FromGitter<BracketMaster> One nice thing about Rust is borrow checking which helps with memory safety for driving writing
22:26:36FromGitter<BracketMaster> It seems like Nim can also support this?
22:27:16leorize[m]yes
22:27:34FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Nim has a few experimental featrures that can support things that rust has, not nil, views, strict funcs
22:28:07FromGitter<BracketMaster> OK
22:28:16FromGitter<BracketMaster> We're considering writing some production drivers in Nim
22:28:34FromGitter<BracketMaster> I hope it's not too early and that Nim is ready for this
22:30:30leorize[m]it is very likely that you will have to build your own libraries for this since this is not a very developed front of nim
22:33:44FromGitter<BracketMaster> gotcha
22:33:59FromDiscord<lamersc.com> Hey that’s the fun in it
22:34:19FromDiscord<lamersc.com> Get to experiment with implementing certain things
22:34:55FromGitter<BracketMaster> leorize: to be fair - drivers don't need a whole lot of libraries typically
22:35:29leorize[m]i'm more concerned about the lack of proper support for --os:standalone
22:35:41FromGitter<BracketMaster> hmm
22:36:20FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Isnt standalone deprecated for `any` or am i a numpty as usualy?
22:36:21FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> (edit) "usualy?" => "usual?"
22:41:15leorize[m]i'm not really sure, they are very distinct options that do different things
22:50:07FromDiscord<exelotl> I hope not, I've yet to see how to install a custom panic handler for `any`
22:51:06FromDiscord<exelotl> I'm looking forward to Nim 1.6 in which the --os:standalone --gc:arc combo is fixed
23:13:29FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> is there a reason why you cant await a `FutureVar`?
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23:57:58FromDiscord<Anonymous Poet> turns out it's just a `distinct Future` so no reason to use it afaict