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| 00:36:13 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> Does anybody have recommendations for macro libraries that can fill in function headers for a known function type? |
| 00:37:10 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=AnZNkJCK |
| 00:37:57 | FromDiscord | <toitle3554> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=dkNgQaMc" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=QMOpRuPM" |
| 00:43:53 | FromDiscord | <ElegantBeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=lwRWIjGr |
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| 06:25:42 | FromDiscord | <randomstranger0812> Uh |
| 06:25:56 | FromDiscord | <randomstranger0812> nimble build hangs... |
| 06:26:34 | FromDiscord | <randomstranger0812> It tries to request releases.json and wont go on |
| 06:32:02 | FromDiscord | <randomstranger0812> Nevermind, something horrible is Happening to our network |
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| 08:33:13 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> wait, nim playground is still down ? |
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| 09:06:35 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> I've seen on the docs that exportc cannot be used on enums and constants, but why is that so ? how am I supposed to interop with C if I cant share enums and constants ? |
| 09:07:03 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> I want to create a library in nim and use it in C |
| 09:14:51 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> If it's the only option I'll write myself some helper macros, but if someone already faced this problem before I'd be interested in talking about how they handled it |
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| 10:01:15 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> Hello, does any of you use https://github.com/nim-lang/langserver with neovim? |
| 10:07:40 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> In reply to @crochubourbier "I've seen on the": Nim's const is a compile time constant, C linking requires a symbol. |
| 10:09:02 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/0tpDe |
| 10:09:20 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> (edit) "https://paste.rs/TFfAu" => "https://paste.rs/rRUuO" |
| 10:10:55 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> Also what do you recommend to handle errors when building a lib, exceptions or something else? I saw a lib which more or less emulates the `Result[T, E]` from rust |
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| 10:12:24 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> In reply to @vovawlad "Also what do you": exceptions is the standard way of handling errors in nim, the raised error types are tracked by the type system |
| 10:12:25 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> You can exportc "let"s. |
| 10:12:40 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> In reply to @crochubourbier "exceptions is the standard": Alright |
| 10:13:07 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> Yes, exceptions are native nim way of handling errors. |
| 10:13:53 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> In reply to @amun0666 "You can exportc "let"s.": Ok, I understand for consts then, but for enums ? why couldn't we say like like map this enum to a C enum ? |
| 10:14:42 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "map" => "makr" | removed "to" | "this enuma ... C" added "transparent" |
| 10:14:50 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "makr" => "make" |
| 10:15:52 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> because we can already use importc for enums to map it to already defined C enum, so why not the other way around ? |
| 10:16:07 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "it" => "them" |
| 10:16:19 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "because we can already use importc for enums to map them to ... already" added "an" |
| 10:16:19 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> Last question I hope, I'm building a small API, and I use a sqlite db for that, I want to open a connection to the db at the start of the program and only call `db.close()` at the end of the program, nim doesn't support top level defers, so I thought about using `addQuitProc()` but it seems a little bit dirty, I know I can just use a proc and put my "main" code inside but is there a more nim way of doing that? |
| 10:17:18 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> In reply to @vovawlad "Last question I hope,": you could overload the `=destroy` proc |
| 10:17:39 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "`=destroy`" => "``=destroy``" |
| 10:17:40 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> In reply to @crochubourbier "you could overload the": Oh I didn't thought about that, very nice! Ty |
| 10:17:58 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> (edit) "``=destroy``" => "` `=destroy` `" |
| 10:17:59 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> In reply to @crochubourbier "Ok, I understand for": You can export functions, global variables and other runtime objects only. |
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| 10:18:25 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> The same way you can't dlsym a struct in C. |
| 10:21:34 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=DlHkbEdJ |
| 10:23:08 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> Yes. |
| 10:24:15 | FromDiscord | <crochubourbier> Ok, I'll just write a helper macro that automates the process then |
| 10:49:42 | tarzeau | who would be able to help me with the debian package of src:nim ? |
| 10:50:43 | tarzeau | it's now at 2.2.4 (-2) i'd close bugs.debian.org/1074512 ideally with a new version: 2.2.10 |
| 10:52:23 | tarzeau | advantage would be: debian, devuan, ubuntu users get a latest version! |
| 10:52:31 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> I can give you mine debian/ contents. |
| 10:52:40 | FromDiscord | <amun0666> (edit) "mine" => "my" |
| 10:52:41 | tarzeau | my problem: current pkg 125562048 Sep 23 2025 nim_2.2.4.orig.tar.xz (look at the size) |
| 10:52:50 | tarzeau | and 8287652 Apr 24 05:40 nim-2.2.10.tar.xz |
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| 10:53:32 | tarzeau | @amun0666 please share... |
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| 10:53:42 | Amun-Ra | tarzeau: Download https://retro.rocks/tmp/nim-2.2.10.tar.bz2 , unpack, change directory, run ./build.sh |
| 10:55:29 | tarzeau | Amun-Ra: i can already see git command in your rules/ but trying... |
| 10:55:54 | Amun-Ra | tarzeau: it'll clone the repo, compile it and build a deb file in .. |
| 10:56:02 | tarzeau | Amun-Ra: the thing is, i will need to generate a nim_2.2.10.orig.tar.xz that can be used to build everything offline. no git no internet |
| 10:56:19 | Amun-Ra | ah, so you need to remove "-b" from dpkg-buildpackage call |
| 10:56:20 | tarzeau | Amun-Ra: so i'll want to clone the repo, create tarball, debuild it |
| 10:56:31 | tarzeau | i've not run your ./build.sh, but just debuild |
| 10:56:40 | tarzeau | but yes debuild -S will do the trick |
| 10:56:48 | Amun-Ra | I usually use dpkg-buildpackage instead of debuild |
| 10:57:27 | Amun-Ra | and I don't remember why… ;) |
| 10:58:04 | Amun-Ra | feel free to report any bugs |
| 10:59:57 | Amun-Ra | I usually write rules that way, 1. clone/download+unpack, 2. build |
| 11:06:25 | tarzeau | because it's longer/harder to type... |
| 11:06:52 | tarzeau | perfect, thank you :) if that works. do you wish to be co-maintainer? |
| 11:06:58 | Amun-Ra | sure :) |
| 11:07:23 | tarzeau | your name+email address? amun <[email protected]> ? |
| 11:07:51 | Amun-Ra | this is a fake template address in my home intranet |
| 11:07:54 | tarzeau | (non functional email, but i guess that's fine) |
| 11:08:12 | tarzeau | so the q is do you want to use functional email, if so which? |
| 11:08:42 | Amun-Ra | I'll be back in ~15 minutes; I'll pm you then |
| 11:08:45 | tarzeau | you'd end up with a page like this: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=james.cuzella%40lyraphase.com |
| 11:08:53 | tarzeau | perfect! egypt god. |
| 11:08:58 | Amun-Ra | ;) |
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| 11:56:32 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> Is there really no `glob` or `fnmatch` implementation in the stdlib, or did i just not look hard enough? |
| 11:57:24 | Amun-Ra | std/glob? |
| 11:57:42 | Amun-Ra | wait |
| 11:57:56 | Amun-Ra | I thought it's there |
| 12:01:36 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> I thought it might maybe be in nimscript, alas no. |
| 12:12:33 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> ah, `glob` is in `posix`, but it's just using the libc implementtaion and you use it via https://nim-lang.org/docs/osdirs.html#walkPattern.i,string↵So not usable in nimscript \:-( |
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| 13:50:10 | tarzeau | yay https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=nim&suite=sid |
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| 16:10:40 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> Nim is fucking incredible, I rewritten the small API I had in nim from go, and the binary is smaller, faster, and consume way less RAM |
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| 16:10:47 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> Also the code is more compact |
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| 17:04:44 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> In reply to @vovawlad "Nim is fucking incredible,": Nim makes some pretty sensible choices about value semantics and single ownership that make writing higher-level programs a breeze. I'll be talking about these things at NimConf. |
| 17:05:39 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> It's fairly unique amongst native-compiled languages for its cross-section of choices, most languages just end up stepping on each others' toes. |
| 17:07:56 | FromDiscord | <vovawlad> I feel like nim has become what C++ should have been |
| 17:10:37 | FromDiscord | <.rynte> what is nim conf? |
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| 17:28:00 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> In reply to @.rynte "what is nim conf?": Nim Conference, will be online on YouTube in July. See #nimconf. |
| 17:29:21 | FromDiscord | <.rynte> In reply to @nervecenter "Nim Conference, will be": I should have read more channel names before asking, lol. thanks |
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| 18:56:42 | FromDiscord | <nasuray> In reply to @nervecenter "Nim Conference, will be": Isn't it in June? https://conf.nim-lang.org/ |
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| 20:00:10 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> In reply to @nasuray "Isn't it in June?": My bad, I was getting dates in my head mixed up. |
| 20:09:25 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @vovawlad "I feel like nim": Arguably, C++ should have stayed a research language.↵Unfortunately, people hell-bent on OOP and looking for a faster language discovered and chose to use it. |
| 20:18:08 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> Path dependence and lock-in |
| 20:18:43 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> There weren't really better options...iirc both Ada and Pascal were closed source back then, right? Plus most Common Lisp compilers... |
| 20:20:25 | FromDiscord | <nervecenter> Not like that matters, tons of C++ adoption was driven through M$ and Visual Studio |
| 20:29:38 | FromDiscord | <tempestro> The only two usable languages with OOP back then were Java and C++↵You could either rewrite your entire codebase in an entirely different language and get dogshit performance as a reward (the JVM's pretty close to native code nowadays, but it was awful back then), or you could use a language that's backwards compatible, just as fast and could be adopted gradually |
| 20:30:10 | FromDiscord | <tempestro> (edit) "be adopted" => "introduced into the codebase" |
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| 21:18:19 | tarzeau | any fans of BASIC, LOGO, or Objective-C ? |
| 21:32:10 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @nervecenter "There weren't really better": There were plenty of Pascal compilers, I'm sure some must have been open source. But Pascal is not an OOP language, which is what the early adopters of C++ mostly wanted. |
| 21:33:34 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> In reply to @tempestro "The only two usable": There was a lot of time between C++ and Java. |
| 21:35:00 | FromDiscord | <0ffh> I think your alternatives were Simula, Smalltalk, an maybe Objective-C. |
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| 22:22:17 | FromDiscord | <raynei486> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=IFrpJFLr |
| 22:25:12 | FromDiscord | <raynei486> At first I thought it was because I declared `searchMove` as `func`, but even by changing it to `proc` and forcing side effects it had the same error |
| 22:26:48 | FromDiscord | <raynei486> I tried reproducing this in a scenario without `nimchess` but it seemed to work fine there |
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