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00:22:19Jehan_I'd just not include the git hash for the time being unless it's critical for something?
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05:59:38Guest71742Hi. Is there a way to cause the nimrod executable to generate the nimcache .c files but not pass them through the C compilation step? I want to add the generated files to another build system...
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07:16:06fowlGuest71742 the option is something like --genbuildscripts, try nimrod --advanced to see the full list of options
07:25:20AraqGuest71742: --compileOnly and optionally --genScript
07:25:41Araq--genScript produces broken scripts, but they are a good starting point
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11:38:32flaviu1"Marpa is overkill" Well, can your parser parse the expressions "foo ω[123] a" as "foo ω[123]; a"? ;)
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12:55:56Araqflaviu1: yes. it's not hard. :P
12:57:06flaviu1Well, ok. Did you have to worry about left and right recursion and how to transform them into different forms?
12:57:11flaviu1Because I don't
13:00:13Araqleft recursions are stupid to begin with, so no :P
13:00:25flaviu1Here is a abridged version of my BNF: "Expression ::= Expression '*' Expression || Expression '+' Expression"
13:01:26Araqdo you worry about precedences? 'cause you should
13:01:30flaviu1Yep
13:01:37Araqok, bbl
13:01:41flaviu1The || operator does precedence
13:06:30NimBotAraq/Nimrod bigbreak 8930ba5 Araq [+1 ±3 -0]: 'let' within 'parallel' now works
13:06:30NimBotAraq/Nimrod bigbreak dfd7390 Araq [+0 ±2 -0]: added $* for subexes
13:06:30NimBotAraq/Nimrod bigbreak 1088814 Araq [+1 ±9 -0]: deepCopy is instantiated when its corresponding type is instantiated
13:06:30NimBotAraq/Nimrod bigbreak d576fbb Araq [+0 ±7 -0]: implemented locking levels; still incomplete
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13:40:23enurlyxHow can I pass a string to a function that accepts a ptr WCHAR ?
13:41:16enurlyxChange ptr WCHAR to WideCString and using newWideCString() ?
13:42:35enurlyxwindows.nim WCHAR* = WideChar
13:43:40enurlyxWideChar* = uint16
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15:34:40NimBotnimrod-code/packages master 6936fe1 achesak [+0 ±1 -0]: Added epub and hashids.
15:34:40NimBotnimrod-code/packages master 02e103b Dominik Picheta [+0 ±1 -0]: Merge pull request #88 from achesak/master... 2 more lines
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15:59:49NimBotnimrod-code/babel master ee952e9 Dominik Picheta [+0 ±4 -0]: Case fixes.
16:15:57NimBotAraq/Nimrod bigbreak baae9bf Dominik Picheta [+0 ±2 -0]: s/sock/fd/. Fixes #1487.
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17:42:56flaviu1Interesting that comments are handled as part of the Nimrod syntax
17:43:52flaviu1From what I can tell, they are usually stripped out along with whitespace during tokenization
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17:54:22Jehan_Comments are also part of the Eiffel syntax.
17:57:43flaviu1Sure, but eiffel doesn't do stuff like <If Statement> ::= 'if' expr ':' comment? ...
18:02:57flaviu1Another awesome thing about marpa: It lexes things as the grammer needs them. Say I have "val foo = 1", it tries to do "KEYWORD_VAL WORD(foo) EQUALS NUMBER(1)" because the val keyword has a higher priority than WORD(val)
18:04:32flaviu1but with "proc val(a, b) = 123", it asks the parser if it'd prefer a KEYWORD(val) or a WORD(val) next. The parser tells the lexer what it wants, and bam, no keywords
18:07:55fowlwhat are you trying to parse
18:08:47flaviu1Just inventing a language for fun. Jehan said that Marpa is overkill.
18:09:08fowluse glossolalia
18:09:58flaviu1Sorry, but Marpa is so good that nothing can even compare
18:10:47flaviu1I mean, look how simple this BNF is: https://gist.github.com/flaviut/8f8b66526e69fc8e5392
18:11:24flaviu1I haven't had to worry about left recursion, right recursion, weird methods of precedence, weird methods of associatvity...
18:11:27Jehan_I'm not saying that it's overkill. I think that grammars that require a very smart parser make not for readable code.
18:11:43fowlomg
18:11:53fowlyou just tricked me into looking at perl
18:12:00fowlthats a form of rape, flaviu1
18:12:07flaviu1lol
18:12:12flaviu1I don't actually know perl
18:12:42flaviu1I just try all the different sigils until I get something that works
18:13:33flaviu1Anyway, I removed the perl
18:13:50fowljson parser with glossolalia https://github.com/fowlmouth/glossolalia/blob/master/src/parsers/xjson.nim#L16
18:15:42flaviu1Sorry, but the marpa version is much more readable: https://gist.github.com/pstuifzand/4447349
18:16:38fowlthats it flaviu1
18:16:55fowlrape me once shame on you, rape me twice, i'm calling the police
18:17:31flaviu1Just ignore everything except the stuff between the "END_OF_SOURCE"
18:24:34flaviu1How many LOC does it take to implement a parser that accepts all the malformed html that is out there? Marpa does it in 1500 ;)
18:30:42fowlnothing you can say beats the fact that you have to write perl
18:31:15flaviu1I have to write perl *boilerplate*. Boilerplate I can copy from examples.
18:31:22flaviu195% of the code will be BNF
18:31:53fowlhave fun dude
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18:32:03flaviu1I am! :D
18:32:53flaviu1Right now, I'm wondering if I can use ruby slippers to deal with indentation!
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18:34:00flaviu1I didn't mean to scare him off :(
18:35:08flaviu1I guess I should keep off-topic discussion out of here...
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20:10:34VarriountAraq: Anything that I can help with that will take a day to half a day?
20:11:39Araqhell yes
20:11:48Araqwe can release
20:13:18VarriountAraq: Which branch/commit? latest devel?
20:13:48Araqdevel will be Nimrod version 0.9.6
20:13:57Araqbigbreak Nim version 0.10.0
20:14:30VarriountOh, so we're releasing two versions?
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20:16:57enurlyxAraq: How can I pass a string to a function that accepts a ptr WCHAR ? (uint16)
20:17:18Araqenurlyx: fix windows.nim and make a PR
20:17:26Araqor even better don't use windows.nim
20:17:28flaviu1enurlyx: Couldn't you cast?
20:17:32Araqwe need to get rid of it
20:17:36enurlyx?
20:17:43Araqoh yeah
20:17:53Araqofc you can cast around it
20:19:45enurlyxthis is about ASCII vs UNICODE. how to cast?
20:20:19Varriountenurlyx: Convert the string into a widechar string, and then cast the widechar string to a ptr wchar
20:21:15enurlyxChange ptr WCHAR to WideCString and using newWideCString() ? would this be correct?
20:21:20flaviu1enurlyx: Looks like newWideCString deals with unicode
20:21:51flaviu1At least there is some logic that mentions unicode
20:22:12flaviu1Sure, that sounds good.
20:23:01flaviu1WideCString is essentially a `ptr int16`
20:24:13VarriountAraq: I'm about to download the devel and bigbreak branches - do you need to make any final changes before I do so?
20:25:42AraqVarriount: :O
20:26:06VarriountAraq: To make the installers and such.
20:26:10Araqwell I surely need this evening to get it into a reasonably clean state
20:26:23VarriountAraq: Ok, just tell me when.
20:26:38Araqno, you can already do things
20:26:49Araqfor instance: docgen for bigbreak still doesn't work
20:27:46VarriountWhat's wrong with it?
20:30:28VarriountAraq: Also, did that git dependancy get fixed?
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20:32:21AraqVarriount: well no
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20:34:14VarriountAraq: So.. I'll fix the git dependancy on devel, and rebase bigbreak then?
20:35:31Araqwell
20:35:54Araqlet's focus on releasing 0.9.6 for a start
20:36:47VarriountAraq: Ok, so what should I do?
20:36:51Araqand we need to do some random sample that checks how many Babel packages break with 0.9.6
20:37:03Araqthat's most important
20:37:21Araqbtw I keep telling you guys this for weeks now
20:37:37Araqwe need regression testing of babel packages
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20:48:01Varriountdom96: Aw, you have a fancy ipv6 address.
21:13:32flaviu1Araq: That is a good idea, but it can't be fully automated at this point in time. There is no standard testing mechanism.
21:13:46flaviu1The test output is not standardized either
21:15:20Araqflaviu1: firstly, your comment makes no sense
21:15:38Araqwe need to test that the compiler still *compiles* the babel package
21:15:47Araqnot that its tests are still green
21:15:54flaviu1Oh, my bad then
21:16:07Araqsecondly, it's easy enough to come up with heuristics
21:16:17Araqto run whatever tests the babel package contains
21:16:58Araqbut I'm not suggesting this
21:17:33VarriountAraq: Right now I'm just installing each package and compiling it, fixing the nimrod library when applicable
21:18:23Araqexcellent!
21:19:01VarriountAraq: It will take a while. I can install all the package automatically, but I have to manually compile, test, and fix each one.
21:20:16VarriountAraq: Also, I can't really test beyond compiling the modules - some of them are wrappers to libraries I don't have, or can't even use (linux only packages, for example)
21:21:52AraqI know
21:22:06Araqbtw I said "random sample"
21:22:11Araqnot "all of them"
21:22:25Araqbut hey, if it works for you :-)
21:22:55Araqoh and ensure this nimfrmt or whatever it's called still works please
21:29:31VarriountAraq:
21:29:39VarriountAraq: nimfrmt?
21:29:42flaviu1strfmt
21:29:54flaviu1Varriount: ^
21:54:09Jehan_I think it works with devel, but not with bigbreak.
21:54:29Jehan_Capitalization issues in pegs.nim, as I recall.
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22:32:30VarriountWho's in charge of the nakefile and argument_parser library? those need to get fixed
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22:38:25*Varriount just wrote a batch script to help automate testing
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22:57:25AraqVarriount: fowl and gradha
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23:13:28Varriountdom96: Babel won't compile under nim bigbreak
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23:15:11dom96_iosVarriount: i fixed that today.
23:15:25dom96_iosYou sure it doesn't work?
23:15:43Varriountdom96_ios: Fairly sure. I'll check again.
23:16:45dom96_iosMake sure to pull babel.
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23:51:02VarriountAraq: Ping
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