<< 27-09-2022 >>
00:02:55FromDiscord<Patitotective> :[[
00:14:45FromDiscord<Girvo> In reply to @Patitotective ":[[": Yeah I had the same reaction when I bumped into that a few weeks ago haha
00:25:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should work then
00:25:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It might need `--experimental:overloadableEnums`
00:49:53FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It might need `--experimental:overloadableEnums`": nope
00:50:16FromDiscord<Rika> Beef I think that’s something else
00:57:41FromDiscord<Girvo> Anyone have any idea how many concurrent TCP connections asyncnet can handle?
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01:07:27FromDiscord<Bung> try chronos
02:36:17FromDiscord<aquova> This is probably a dumb question, but is there a way to easily (aka with the std) download a web page after it has been rendered with JS? I'm new to scraping, but I've only been able to get the initial HTML of a page
02:37:04FromDiscord<aquova> (edit) "JS?" => "JS, or does it require more sophisticated packages?"
02:41:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/dom96/webdriver might work i dont really know
02:41:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If you dont need JS to run you can just get the url, otherwise yea you need some proper driver
03:39:59FromDiscord<Bung> anyone who can cancel the CI? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/20438
04:13:46FromDiscord<Bubblie> Is thrre anything like hashmaps in nim
04:13:49FromDiscord<Bubblie> Or python dictionaries
04:14:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> std/tables
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04:29:05FromDiscord<Bubblie> thanks
05:24:31FromDiscord<Girvo> I wonder how many concurrent connections Chronos can handle, considering it explicitly lists multithreaded stream servers are "todo"
05:28:59FromDiscord<Girvo> Guess I can just chuck multiple processes at it, considering its all `SO_REUSEADDR`
05:30:46FromDiscord<Bung> concurrent does not equals to multithreaded
05:30:53FromDiscord<Girvo> I am well aware
05:32:00FromDiscord<Bung> https://github.com/dom96/httpbeast is highest rank in performance benchmark
05:32:31FromDiscord<Girvo> Unless I can leverage the internal TCP bits of it, sadly it's not a good fit, as we're not using HTTP for our comms
05:35:29FromDiscord<Bung> ok then.
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05:36:25FromDiscord<Girvo> Would be perfect if we were though 🙂
05:36:52FromDiscord<Bung> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/20423 @ElegantBeef any idea ? `C` going there is tyStatic, `result.f` is on runtime
05:38:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd wager it cannot generate the lit from the generic parameter, i dont really know
05:39:26FromDiscord<Bung> `const d = C` but this one work
05:39:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `const` doesnt go to the backend
05:41:38FromDiscord<Bung> so what will happen it assign const to var , I thought reuse that evaluted static(value)
05:42:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does but it causes the backend to generate code
05:42:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `genLiteral(nkObjConstr)` Notice it's a `gen` procedure
05:42:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> which means it's erroring when it's attempting to emit the C code
05:42:58FromDiscord<Bung> it never worked before ?
05:43:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No clue
05:43:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It should
05:48:11FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4byM
05:51:41FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i dont even know if it should be a literal
05:51:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Doesnt make much sense to go that path
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05:53:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do you have the stack trace for how it gets into there?
05:57:16FromDiscord<Bung> the previous behavior is it strip out static when param checked pass, now we have inner generic instantiating, so here it remain as typ.kind = `tyStatic`
05:58:32FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4byO
05:59:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh it erros in vmgen
05:59:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's interesting
05:59:51FromDiscord<Bung> that's after I modify the flow, it error another
06:00:00FromDiscord<Bung> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4byP
06:02:29FromDiscord<Bung> that's make the error stay in sem pass stage, since it shouldn't go code gen
06:06:00FromDiscord<Bung> current workaround is `const d = C; result.f = d`
06:09:29FromDiscord<Bung> another idea is maybe should put the const value when default result construct .
06:10:47FromDiscord<Bung> in semantic we should not assign that field
06:11:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That only works if you dont have flow control
06:11:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I do not know how to resolve that issue, simpler variants work fine afaict
06:14:56FromDiscord<Bung> you mean simpler as tests\generics\t10833.nim ? it works ,indeed
06:17:08FromDiscord<Bung> think I'll wait for review, since the compiler never goes there before.
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07:32:28FromDiscord<Mrcool> can I use nimscript externally something like↵`nim --nimscript eval myscript`
07:32:36FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "myscript`" => "myscript.nim`"
07:32:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It can be used like that yes
07:33:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> should just be `nim eval` iirc
07:33:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Only a subset of Nim is allowed though
07:34:34FromDiscord<Mrcool> whats the real command xD what I wrote is just an what I imagined as syntax
07:34:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `nim eval myscript.nim`
07:35:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> or is it `e`
07:35:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I always forget
07:35:53FromDiscord<Mrcool> e works and eval doesn't
07:36:07FromDiscord<Mrcool> what a weird design choice xD
07:39:39FromDiscord<Mrcool> can I turn off those hints, I want to run the script as fast as possible https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024223781872476191/unknown.png
07:40:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `--verbosity:0`
07:40:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> wont make it much faster
07:41:44FromDiscord<Mrcool> it feels slow still for a scripting lang run on a vm https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024224303702614087/unknown.png
07:42:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's mainly just for macros,config, and cte
07:43:49FromDiscord<Mrcool> my idea was to use it for inim or something similar, since I think the subset that is handled is enough for the user most of time, and if the user wants to use the full lang, he can just issue a command to the repl
07:45:16FromDiscord<fbpyr> @Mrcool\: if you want to speed up inim\: I found it to be more snappy using c-compiler\: tcc
07:52:10FromDiscord<Bung> well , `nim e ` is not the way you use in production
07:54:47FromDiscord<Bung> in the compiler , does template type should match proc type ?
08:31:21FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @Mrcool "it feels slow still": Yeah that's an issue, if it worked fast, that'd be great ngl
08:31:35FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Since then embedding it as a scripting engine in games would be nice
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11:24:01FromDiscord<auxym> I read somewhere on the forums that the nim vm was comparable in speed to python
11:45:14FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Probably not true now, Python has been speeding up a lot recently
11:45:20FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I think they added a JIT too
11:45:49FromDiscord<Prestige> Iirc nim vm also slowed down a lot
11:51:30FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> That isn't fun lol
11:52:07FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Nimskull has made the VM it's own backend and it has it's own bytecode format (unstable format tho since it changes a bit iirc), it's way faster from when i tried it
12:16:05FromDiscord<Rainbow Asteroids> In reply to @Event Horizon "Since then embedding it": beef is coming to tell you about wasm
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12:33:19FromDiscord<Prestige> Haha
12:34:13FromDiscord<Prestige> I don't really write any nimscript or python, don't have a use for either. Can just write stuff in Nim and compile
12:34:43FromDiscord<Prestige> I don't think any application that really needs performance would choose python regardless
12:37:31FromDiscord<!&luke> In reply to @Mrcool "it feels slow still": Yea cuz eval is not for production
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13:01:11FromDiscord<ChocolettePalette> Why↵(@!&luke)
13:03:42FromDiscord<!&luke> Because first of all it doesn't compile with -d:release
13:04:13FromDiscord<Rika> ?
13:04:23FromDiscord<ChocolettePalette> Compile it with -d\:debug then
13:04:29FromDiscord<Rika> The VM doesn’t have a release mode I don’t recall
13:04:36FromDiscord<!&luke> In reply to @Rika "The VM doesn’t have": Yea
13:04:40FromDiscord<!&luke> That's why it cant
13:04:42FromDiscord<Rika> Not sure what you mean then
13:05:00FromDiscord<!&luke> A Nim release build will always be faster
13:05:08FromDiscord<Rika> That doesn’t mean it’s not for production
13:05:10FromDiscord<Rika> Of course
13:05:16FromDiscord<Rika> Depends on your use case really
13:05:36FromDiscord<Rika> I guess in the given image’s exact context yea
13:05:40FromDiscord<!&luke> In reply to @Rika "Depends on your use": Well for most cases
13:05:45FromDiscord<Rika> But otherwise it can be a different story
13:07:17FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @Avahe "I don't think any": most modern data science/numerical programs have entered the chat 😉 but those mostly use python as an interface to high-performance C and fortran libs
13:07:31FromDiscord<Prestige> Yeah
13:07:43FromDiscord<Prestige> Would be great to see Nim break into that space more
13:08:02FromDiscord<Prestige> But I doubt that'll ever happen if editor support doesn't vastly improve
13:08:58FromDiscord<auxym> we do have #science but yeah. python's library ecosystem has huge inertia, plus there's also strong competition in the space (thinking of julia mostly)
13:21:31FromDiscord<Require Support> anyone test `https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools` with `chronos` for async namedpipes on windows?
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13:21:44FromDiscord<Require Support> (edit) "`https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools`" => "https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools"
13:27:20FromDiscord<4zv4l> I don't understand what the `nodecl` pragma is for
13:27:35FromDiscord<4zv4l> I don't get it
13:27:38FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bAL
13:27:43FromDiscord<4zv4l> doesn't need to pretend, it is a variable
13:29:13FromDiscord<Rika> It means “no declaration” as in there’s no declaration in the Nim code but it is declared outside of Nim
13:29:27FromDiscord<Rika> I think that’s a good explanation, not sure
13:30:38FromDiscord<4zv4l> I think I see but still blurry like
13:30:49FromDiscord<4zv4l> it's importing from the C code but still has to declare it in the Nim code
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13:40:16FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @Rainbow Asteroids "*beef is coming to": WASM is nice but not exactly easy for beginners :p
13:40:20FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Or convenient lmao
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13:44:48FromDiscord<4zv4l> is there a way to convert a `Socket` to a `SocketHandle` ?
13:45:10FromDiscord<4zv4l> I have a C code using socket `fd` and I wanna use it with as less `nativesockets` code as possible
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13:45:53FromDiscord<4zv4l> found `getFd` hope that will do the trick
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13:47:26FromDiscord<4zv4l> ah yes, but the function returns a int (since there is no boolean in C), I tried changing the type to bool thinking nim could translate it but it seems it can't
13:48:23FromDiscord<Require Support> In reply to @Require Support "anyone test https://github.com/cheatfate/asynctools": just noticed https://github.com/status-im/nim-chronos/blob/93800879fdea3809c135e44d1c3249b325a191ca/chronos/handles.nim has `createAsyncPipe`
13:50:03FromDiscord<4zv4l> how can I use `bool` with `importc` ?
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13:54:49FromDiscord<4zv4l> adding nodecl pragma did the trick
13:57:55FromDiscord<4zv4l> damn that's so nice to import C code just like that
13:58:38FromDiscord<4zv4l> there is no `ffi` to interact with C right ? since it compiles to C it copy paste the code to the final source code ?
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14:04:39FromDiscord<4zv4l> so many questions omg
14:05:14FromDiscord<4zv4l> if I give a `seq[string]` to a C function accepting a `char` will it increase the `seq` automatically or I still need to call `realloc` in the C function ?
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14:10:28qwrincrease what? realloc why?
14:17:59FromDiscord<Bung> if you dont plan contribute to compiler , you dont need worry about these
14:18:20qwrmaybe read documentation? https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#foreign-function-interface
14:18:52qwr(for 4zv4l, who seemed a bit confused)
14:19:34FromDiscord<4zv4l> In reply to @qwr "increase what? realloc why?": I use a buffer to add data in it
14:19:40FromDiscord<4zv4l> but the buffer is passed to a C function
14:19:58FromDiscord<4zv4l> the C function doesn't realloc the buffer but since Nim gives it a `seq` will it realloc ?
14:20:11FromDiscord<Bung> the basic question is how you pass seq to c function
14:20:23FromDiscord<4zv4l> I didn't check if that's possible
14:20:25FromDiscord<4zv4l> I was just wondering
14:20:49FromDiscord<4zv4l> but now you say that maybe that's not possible to pass a seq to a c function
14:21:12qwrafaik nim promises nothing about seq type internal implementation, so if manipulate it in C function, it might well not work with next nim release
14:21:38FromDiscord<Bung> you'll find a solution, instead of thinking how the underline works
14:24:51FromDiscord<4zv4l> I think my C code is just bad, and I thought I could use a `seq` to 'hide/fix' the wrong implementation
14:25:31FromDiscord<4zv4l> In reply to @qwr "maybe read documentation? https://nim-lang.org/docs": yeah I still don't totally know how ffi works but it has a cost to use ffi right ?
14:29:34FromDiscord<4zv4l> Like if Zig doesn't need ffi↵https://ziglang.org/learn/overview/#integration-with-c-libraries-without-ffibindings↵so I wonder why Nim needs ffi since it compiles to C
14:30:52FromDiscord<Bung> when we say ffi , usually means we want intergate with external lib
14:31:29FromDiscord<4zv4l> can you explain me more what you mean please ?
14:31:45FromDiscord<Bung> you cant promise you will write all code in nim in real project
14:33:11FromDiscord<Bung> https://nim-lang.org/docs/dynlib.html#examples-loading-a-simple-c-function
14:33:21FromDiscord<Bung> read std lib is good for you
14:34:35FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @4zv4l "Like if Zig doesn't": It's easy if you get a c parser, which means zig cc depends on clang to parse c code.
14:36:33FromDiscord<4zv4l> oh wait, maybe that's my bad, `ffi` are used for pre compiled library right ?
14:36:42FromDiscord<4zv4l> so when I import a `.c` it doesn't use ffi right ?
14:36:59FromDiscord<flywind> Nim has got one like https://github.com/PMunch/futhark to automatic wrap of C headers in Nim based on clang
14:37:18FromDiscord<flywind> (edit) "automatic" => "automaticaly" | removed "of"
14:38:09FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @4zv4l "yeah I still don't": It is zero overhead c interface.
14:38:29FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @4zv4l "yeah I still don't": No
14:38:52FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @4zv4l "so when I import": what do you mean "import a .c"? using `{.importc.}` is ffi
14:39:34FromDiscord<4zv4l> I mean a ddl is a compiled lib
14:39:40FromDiscord<4zv4l> while a `.c` is not compiled yet
14:40:30FromDiscord<4zv4l> In reply to @flywind "No": no cost alright, cause I saw for example https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14519905/how-much-does-it-cost-for-haskell-ffi-to-go-into-c-and-back↵telling (it's not for Nim I know) that it can have a cost
14:41:17FromDiscord<4zv4l> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4bBc
14:41:25FromDiscord<4zv4l> I know Nim isnt Haskell and I don't even know Haskell
14:42:37FromDiscord<flywind> > Zero-overhead interop lets you reuse code in C, C++ (including templates, C++ STL), JS, Objective-C, Python (via nimpy).
14:42:54FromDiscord<flywind> Using c types means no overhead for Nim.
14:43:30FromDiscord<4zv4l> are c type all type starting with `c` ↵or Nim can guess when you write `int` change it to `cint` ?
14:44:36FromDiscord<Bung> first yes, second no
14:45:03FromDiscord<auxym> nim emits for int a macro like `NI` which is not guaranteed to be compatible with `int` in C, but in practice is compatible on most platforms. Still, recommended practice for C interop is to use cint and co, or importc your own types
14:45:45FromDiscord<Bung> they means types name in nim
14:45:50FromDiscord<4zv4l> alright, what about bool ?↵because I just used that few minuts ago
14:45:56FromDiscord<4zv4l> there isn't cbool
14:46:18FromDiscord<Bung> just 0 , 1
14:46:19FromDiscord<4zv4l> or then I use cint
14:46:38FromDiscord<Bung> they are defined same in many languages
14:47:49FromDiscord<4zv4l> alright, thank you ! ^^↵I've no particular reason to get into performance now, even more than I'm not really a dev↵just idk, still always wonder how languages handle those things
14:47:56FromDiscord<4zv4l> Nim is really interesting
14:51:51FromDiscord<Bung> NP
14:52:21FromDiscord<4zv4l> just found Nim was first written in Pascal
14:52:28FromDiscord<4zv4l> also quite interesting
14:52:42NimEventerNew thread by miran: Nim 1.6.8 released!, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9494
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15:22:53FromDiscord<Mrcool> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bBt
15:23:40FromDiscord<Mrcool> or it seems like its hitting the fatal pragam
15:24:11FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bBt" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bBv"
15:24:21FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "nimsuggest fails silently on": Are you running nimsuggest with backend:js?
15:24:55FromDiscord<Mrcool> nimsuggest takes backend as arg? I tried --backend:js it doesn't seem to do anything
15:37:55FromDiscord<Mrcool> actually it seems its hitting the pragma indeed https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024344142471503992/unknown.png
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15:42:31FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "nimsuggest takes backend as": It picks up config.nims etc
15:42:47FromDiscord<hotdog> Try putting config.nims in the folder with --backend:js inside
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15:47:03FromDiscord<Mrcool> same thing https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024346439100420226/unknown.png
15:54:24FromDiscord<EyeCon> Side question: you aliased `cat` to `bat`?
15:55:21FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "same thing": Hmmm
15:55:24FromDiscord<Mrcool> yes xD
15:55:30FromDiscord<Mrcool> and catc to /usr/bin/cat
15:55:45FromDiscord<hotdog> Looks like it works if you call with -d:js to define the symbol
15:56:15FromDiscord<hotdog> So I guess nimsuggest is perhaps picking up the backend correctly but not defining js
15:57:53FromDiscord<Mrcool> I get another error with -d:js https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024349166782132358/unknown.png
15:58:46FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "I get another error": I guess the manual define is confusing things
15:58:59FromDiscord<hotdog> Seems like a bug though, probably best to open an issue on github
15:59:06FromDiscord<Mrcool> sure
16:13:43FromDiscord<Mrcool> This explains why I have these type of errors , I guess nimuggest don't know of js backend https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024353148367802469/unknown.png
16:18:28NimEventerNew Nimble package! geometrymath - Linear algebra library for computer graphics applications, see https://github.com/can-lehmann/geometrymath
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16:25:55FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "This explains why I": It's weird because it definitely makes a difference for me with my projects when I set the backend in a config, so it is doing _something_
16:27:03FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bBZ
16:28:09FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @hotdog "It's weird because it": I just tried turning it off on the file I have open at the moment, nimsuggest is 100% picking it up
16:28:45FromDiscord<hotdog> Perhaps the lsp is doing something in between
16:29:39FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @PyryTheBurger "when i have something": req.T
16:31:42FromDiscord<Bung> dont know where you will use that type
16:32:01FromDiscord<Bung> from that line , u dont even use it
16:34:28FromDiscord<Mrcool> In reply to @hotdog "I just tried turning": I'm using nimsuggest directly though
16:34:34FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "In reply to @hotdog "I just tried turning": I'm using nimsuggest directly though ... " added "and it has the same errors"
16:34:59FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @Mrcool "I'm using nimsuggest directly": Sure, I'm just saying that it's not the case that nimsuggest is unaware of the js backend
16:40:29FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bC4
16:42:53FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @PyryTheBurger "why is this returning": `r.T.typeof is int`
16:43:28FromDiscord<Rika> You don’t need the type of part
16:43:33FromDiscord<Rika> T is the type
17:01:44FromDiscord<Mrcool> I feel like the error output of nim should be inversed I always have to scroll to see whats wrong
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17:07:31FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCb
17:07:44FromDiscord<hotdog> In reply to @PyryTheBurger "why does this return": Change `==` to `is`
17:08:13FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> woah
17:09:02FromDiscord<exelotl> In reply to @Mrcool "I feel like the": `--spellSuggest:0` helps... maybe `--showAllMismatches:off` too but I haven't tried it
17:09:11FromDiscord<hotdog> @PyryTheBurger https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#generics-is-operator
17:11:45FromDiscord<Mrcool> how do I translatet this `/\s+/` , `newRegExp("\s+")` fails
17:11:53FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "translatet" => "translate" | "translatethis ... `/\s+/`" added "js"
17:11:58FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "how do I translate this js ... `/\s+/`" added "regex"
17:13:06FromDiscord<Mrcool> In reply to @exelotl "`--spellSuggest:0` helps... maybe `--showAllMismatc": I just noticed that its nimble is the one thats adding stacktraces
17:13:24FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCe
17:13:29FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> like loop through them
17:14:00FromDiscord<Mrcool> can I turn off all this extra nimble stuf https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024368323334516856/unknown.png
17:14:02FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "stuf" => "stuff"
17:14:50FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCg
17:14:53FromDiscord<dallas_bruno> Click and thank me later ↵👇👇👇👇👇👇↵http://t.me/Stevecoldham001
17:16:37FromDiscord<can.l> Since Nim 1.6.8 seems to have --styleCheck:hint turned on by default, I assume that it was decided to remove style insensitivity. I started to convert my project from using snake_case to using camelCase manually. This is however quite time consuming. Is there a tool which automatically applies the suggested style changes?
17:24:02FromDiscord<Mrcool> what that was removed, that was the funniest thing though
17:34:15FromDiscord<Mrcool> it seems I can't turn off exec stacktraces <https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/devel/lib/system/nimscript.nim#L264> and rawExec is not public so I can't make my own wrapper, any suggestions here?
17:34:41FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @can.l "Since Nim 1.6.8 seems": Fixed on devel, should have been backported https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/20398
17:36:34FromDiscord<Mrcool> In reply to @Mrcool "how do I translate": "\\s+"
17:36:38FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) ""\\s+"" => ""\s+""
17:36:42FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) ""\s+"" => ""\\\s+""
17:36:45FromDiscord<Mrcool> (edit) "In reply to @Mrcool "how do I translate": "\\\s+" ... " added "works"
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17:38:00FromDiscord<Mrcool> does nim have some pattern matching
17:38:17FromDiscord<Mrcool> as in something like let [a,b] = @[1,2]
17:38:47FromDiscord<flywind> There is one in fusion https://nim-lang.org/blog/2021/03/10/fusion-and-pattern-matching.html
17:41:04FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> https://github.com/jzimmerman/langcc looks neat... Wonder if it could be used with Nim at all?
17:47:54FromDiscord<Mrcool> can I make this work ` var data: Table[string, string] = {}.toTable`
17:47:59FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @flywind "Fixed on devel, should": I tried both devel and stable, and hints are enabled on both. --styleCheck:off also does not seem to work for me.
17:48:16FromDiscord<Mrcool> it seems to only compile if add random fields {"a":"b"}.toTable
17:48:22FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) removed "--styleCheck:off also does not seem to work for me."
17:48:45FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @can.l "I tried both devel": Latest devel?
17:49:16FromDiscord<can.l> Correction: --styleCheck:off also does not seem to work on stable, but it works on devel.
17:49:50FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @flywind "Latest devel?": 805186809c0591bb24ff30b6ce48b60527a7a9e8
17:49:59FromDiscord<can.l> ^ Commit hash
17:50:15FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) removed "does"
17:50:22FromDiscord<can.l> (edit) "also" => "does"
17:50:36FromDiscord<flywind> May I have a test case showing the hints are enabled by default?
17:51:06FromDiscord<EyeCon> In reply to @PyryTheBurger "how would i check": https://nim-lang.org/docs/typetraits.html#genericParams.t%2Ctypedesc
17:51:34FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @flywind "May I have a": `let a_b = 1`
17:51:47FromDiscord<EyeCon> Then: https://nim-lang.org/docs/iterators.html#fieldPairs.i%2CS%2CT I guess
17:52:22FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @can.l "`let a_b = 1`": Cannot reproduce on windows.
17:52:51FromDiscord<flywind> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024378095471431881/unknown.png
17:54:23FromDiscord<Mrcool> In reply to @Mrcool "can I make this": initTable works
17:57:05FromDiscord<flywind> In reply to @flywind "Cannot reproduce on windows.": Not on Linux too
17:57:26FromDiscord<can.l> In reply to @flywind "": Ah, sorry. I think I mixed up the versions. It is still broken on stable though. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024379249760665680/unknown.png
17:57:56FromDiscord<flywind> Yeah, the PR should have been backported to 1.6.8.
18:00:24FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/w6h
18:00:42FromDiscord<EyeCon> What did you do? Please paste the code.
18:01:08FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCA
18:02:27FromDiscord<PyryTheBurger> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCB
18:06:02FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Is there a nim equivalent to Python's `ascii`?
18:06:43FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> not ascii
18:06:45FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> `title`
18:07:19FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> So `"hElLO wORLD!".title()` in Python becomes `"Hello World!"`
18:09:15FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Ah it's in the unicode module as `title` apparently
18:09:20FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> That was... Tricky to find
18:09:21FromDiscord<EyeCon> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCE
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18:13:21FromDiscord<EyeCon> Additionally, I tried some things, but it seems that a typedesc tuple as returned by the genericParams can't be iterated over
18:13:29FromDiscord<EyeCon> Correction: indexed
18:14:40FromDiscord<EyeCon> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bCI
18:21:47FromDiscord<EyeCon> Might be related to https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/19334 even
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19:15:14FromDiscord<ngangngong> Hi there, is labeled block in nim same as GOTO? which Djikstra said was harmful?
19:17:30FromDiscord<demotomohiro> No. labeled block just create a new scope and you can do `break labelname`.↵But you cannot do `goto labelname` from arbitrary line.
19:18:26FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-block-statement
19:19:20FromDiscord<ngangngong> is there any other usecase than just `break` it?
19:20:09FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "is there any other usecase than just ... `break`loop?" added "to" | "it?" => "loop?"
19:32:57FromDiscord<4zv4l> `let fn = findAll(request.body, re"name=\"(.)\"")`
19:33:08FromDiscord<4zv4l> how do I esquape " in regex ?
19:33:11FromDiscord<4zv4l> escape
19:45:48FromDiscord<4zv4l> or how can I parse `form-data`
19:45:57FromDiscord<4zv4l> to get a hashmap
19:53:45FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Question, why should I use Karax? I want to make a website and make it look decent but i don't understand it at all tbh
19:57:14FromDiscord<ngangngong> In reply to @Event Horizon "Question, why should I": Karax is for SPA usecase, the web UI is all generated by javascript. For traditional approach u can just serve html files using nim http server
19:57:15FromDiscord<4zv4l> In reply to @4zv4l "or how can I": I don't find any function to do this that's insane
19:58:08FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "Karax is for SPA": SPA? Also I'm working on a shopping website for food products
20:01:32FromDiscord<ngangngong> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bDg
20:01:38FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Ah
20:01:52FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bDg" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bDh"
20:02:01FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bDh" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bDi"
20:05:05FromDiscord<ngangngong> You might use Jester instead, https://github.com/dom96/jester
20:06:38FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "use" => "looking for" | "instead, https://github.com/dom96/jester" => "https://github.com/dom96/jester, I presume."
20:08:01FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I'm using Prologue for the server itself
20:08:18FromDiscord<ngangngong> Oh the server is done?
20:08:36FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I just want to be able to create good-looking html
20:08:41FromDiscord<ngangngong> oh, I see.
20:08:45FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Since I'm clueless on it
20:10:00FromDiscord<4zv4l> how do I get the 'body' from `{"fname": (fields: {Content-Disposition: form-data; name="fname", name: fname}, body: "Hello")}` ordered table
20:10:33FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> `table["fname"].body` should work
20:10:54FromDiscord<4zv4l> why "fname" ?
20:11:10FromDiscord<ngangngong> so the server is API like RestAPI for instance, hmm.
20:11:31FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @4zv4l "why "fname" ?": Since that's the key it's located in
20:11:51FromDiscord<4zv4l> body is the key
20:12:06FromDiscord<4zv4l> {"fname": (), body: "Hello"}
20:12:13FromDiscord<4zv4l> body is another key
20:12:25FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> That example is wrong then
20:12:33FromDiscord<4zv4l> oooh
20:12:36FromDiscord<4zv4l> I didn't see the ) before body
20:12:37FromDiscord<4zv4l> damn
20:12:39FromDiscord<4zv4l> my bad
20:12:45FromDiscord<4zv4l> thank you xD
20:12:46FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Nah dw
20:12:53FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> No worries xD
20:12:59FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "so the server is": Yup
20:14:43FromDiscord<ngangngong> good-looking html is just good css I guess?
20:14:48FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "good-looking html" => "`good-looking html`"
20:15:47FromDiscord<ngangngong> reactive, or interactive user interfaces is different story.
20:18:16FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "`good-looking html` is just": Yeah I don't understand that rip, tried html and css but can't wrap my head around it tbh
20:18:26FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Since it should also work for mobile too
20:19:00FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "reactive, or interactive user": I think as long as it can scroll and click a few buttons, it's fine
20:19:35FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Since it should be able to add products to cart, open the payment screen, scroll through products, and that's it
20:20:23FromDiscord<exelotl> 99% of the time you don't need an SPA, it's trendy but I don't think it's a good idea for most sites
20:20:39FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Fair
20:28:23FromDiscord<ngangngong> Karax. Single page applications for Nim. the description should change to 'A nim library for building web user interfaces'. I tried it, it's Reactjs siblings. the design decision mostly same.
20:31:01FromDiscord<ngangngong> Well, it's up to you to choose which UI Lib, but I like TEA(The Elm Architecture) or Svelte design approach, which I currently can't find in nim?
20:36:12FromDiscord<leorize> karax does have a "reactive" experiment that's similar to svelte, but that got axed due to macros limitations iirc
20:42:24FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Hm... I may just use Svelte itself maybe
20:43:20FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I wonder if it's feasible to wrap Svelte in Nim or if there's no point
20:45:37NimEventerNew post on r/nim by PeterHickman: Cross compiling on macos, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/xps51z/cross_compiling_on_macos/
20:46:06FromDiscord<Binary Trading Investment> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4bDt
20:46:13FromDiscord<Binary Trading Investment> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4aGV
20:47:45FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @Binary Trading Investment "Do you have a": Sigh...
20:48:29FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> <@&371760044473319454>
20:49:36FromDiscord<leorize> I once again pitch the idea of setting up https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir for Nim rooms
20:50:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Could do that or could just manually moderate 20+ messages a day
20:50:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Matrix r bad
20:52:58FromDiscord<ngangngong> lmao, Prologue is actually a web framework? I thought it was Prolog language. @Horizon [She/Her] have u checked out the blog example of Prologue? https://github.com/planety/prologue/tree/devel/examples/blog
20:54:48FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Yeah it is lmao
20:54:53FromDiscord<ngangngong> there, Karax in there is act just a templating languages/engine, just like EJS/Handlebars/Pug/Mustache, but the dom is written in nim, not html/jsx.
20:55:08FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "lmao, Prologue is actually": I didn't see how it could be of use to me
20:55:48FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "there, Karax in there": Hm, but how does that help when it comes to making the entire design look good?
20:56:00FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Since Karax only generates html
20:56:32FromDiscord<ngangngong> are u prefer component or class based css?
20:56:42FromDiscord<leorize> if you want good design, either hire a designer or learn how to do it yourself \:p
20:57:05FromDiscord<ngangngong> well u can add class to that html, which used as a css selector
20:58:11FromDiscord<ngangngong> if u can't do design, prefer component based, like bootstrap/bulma, else tools like tailwind.
20:58:18FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "are u prefer component": I don't know how they work at all so uh, either?
20:58:21FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "else" => "else,"
20:58:25FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @ngangngong "if u can't do": Ah alright, thanks!
20:58:50FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "if you want good": Don't want to hire someone for an idea that may not even come to fruition so learning it is lmao
20:58:56FromDiscord<leorize> it's better to design using a dedicated tool before implementing it btw, to eliminate design issues that arise from "too hard to do"
21:00:09FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> What dedicated tool do you mean?
21:00:11FromDiscord<ngangngong> so ugh, mock design in ~~figma~~ first preferred
21:00:20FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "first preferred" => "first, preferred."
21:00:22FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Ah
21:00:50FromDiscord<leorize> there should be some free online courses around, designing is very different from coding so you gotta be careful
21:01:07FromDiscord<ngangngong> agreed.
21:01:18FromDiscord<leorize> figma is the industry standard rn
21:01:43FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Ah alright, thank you Leorize and Ngangngong
21:01:53FromDiscord<leorize> penpot if you want OSS tool, though I've never used it myself
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21:06:13FromDiscord<leorize> btw, unless you /really/ want to do it in Nim, frontend web stuff is best coded in JS/TS, just for having established tooling
21:07:27FromDiscord<ngangngong> can't agree more
21:08:29FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Hm fair enough, just dislike them both a lot sadly but eh
21:10:23FromDiscord<leorize> alternatively you can bring those tooling to Nim, but, uh, a lot of pain ensues
21:10:47FromDiscord<leorize> and probably shouldn't be attempted if you're new to the subject \:p
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21:16:03FromDiscord<Schelz> hi, can somebody provide me a documentation about "Using statement" and how to implement it in a template method ? I couldn't find nothing about "Using statement".
21:23:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-using-statement
21:24:10FromDiscord<ngangngong> In reply to @Schelz "hi, can somebody provide": `Note that using is not applied for template since the untyped template parameters default to the type system.untyped.`
21:25:16FromDiscord<Schelz> uh, thx I have seen the official post on the nim webpage but I hoped I could find smth more interesting...
21:27:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For the opinion no one asked for, using is bleh
21:27:16FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @leorize "and probably shouldn't be": Fair lol
21:29:05FromDiscord<ngangngong> I actually don't know what using is, is it come from python or c#?
21:29:27FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "I actually don't know what using is, is it come from python or c#? ... " added "well it's good that nim support it for easy migration."
21:29:42FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "using" => "`using`"
21:30:09FromDiscord<ngangngong> (edit) "I actually don't know what `using` is, is it come from python or c#? well it's good that nim support it for easy migration. ... " added "Are these bots on irc or matrix?"
21:31:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just a way to reduce typing for parameters
21:31:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's relatively unreadable to me though
21:31:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm a matrix user
21:31:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But we now outnumber those pesky single media users
21:31:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is a irc bridge aswell
21:35:53FromDiscord<leorize> irc ppl have `[IRC]` tag on them, matrix otherwise
21:52:47FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'm a matrix user": hes not
21:52:48FromDiscord<Patitotective> hes a bot
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22:41:31FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> can i convert the string `color` into a color that terminal can use? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024450746088947714/screenshot_2022-09-27-184052.png
22:41:44FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> or maybe use something other than ansiForegroundColorCode?
22:41:46FromDiscord<czgchsz> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/nkc
22:42:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `parseEnum`↵(@Iliketwertles)
22:43:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bE2
22:43:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `x.fields` returns a field, not an index
22:43:28FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @czgchsz "Hello. I am very": thats not list of tuples (list are sequences in nim) you want `@[(name: "John", age: 12, ...)]`↵and you dont need `.fields`
22:43:44FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bE3
22:43:45FromDiscord<czgchsz> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/PrK
22:43:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Did you read the docs?
22:43:56FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> no i legit just put it in the code
22:44:00FromDiscord<czgchsz> Oh, I see, thank you.
22:44:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#parseEnum%2Cstring
22:44:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> When someone tells you a function it's a good idea to read the docs
22:49:01FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "When someone tells you": whats a function :p
22:49:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> czgchsz I will not that `items` is the iterator you use to iterate the immutable value of a sequence(and defaultly called when you do `for x in y`), and `mitems` is used to iterate for the mutable variant
22:50:20FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> im lost (again:lmao3D:)
22:51:17FromDiscord<czgchsz> I got it now. The lack of [] confused me. It all works now as intended. Thanks you!
22:53:25FromDiscord<czgchsz> I mean, I'm using `case field.name`, I do change the age now for particular names, and I do display them for other specific names, etc. so it all worked out.I have not read the docs, I only have a little bit of experience with Nim back from years ago (so I have forgotten most of it, of course). I will go through the docs after I woke up as I am heavily sleep deprived and mixing 3 languages right now. \:D
22:53:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A pure procedure↵(@Patitotective)
22:54:20FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "A pure procedure (<@762008715162419261>)": {.noSideEffects.}
22:54:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's your point
22:56:36FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`parseEnum` (<@548965392832528395>)": i dont even see how this could help me, im getting command line args that would be like "blue" and need to make it fgBlue for example
22:56:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> ....
22:57:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `parseEnum[ForeGroundColor]("fg" & color)`
22:57:11FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> but not the string fgBlue the color
22:57:17FromDiscord<Patitotective> ...
22:58:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
22:58:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's what parsing is for
23:02:44FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> brain small
23:02:47FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> thank
23:03:44FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> time to make some sort of rainbow thing so every letter is a diff color, i can loop through char in string cant i? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024456334298595418/screenshot_2022-09-27-190104.png
23:07:49FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Iliketwertles "time to make some": yes you can
23:09:24FromDiscord<czgchsz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bEa
23:14:31FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> getting somewhere https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024459046083891300/screenshot_2022-09-27-191418.png
23:14:58FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> just need it to not echo the char every time a valid color is there, but ik why its doing it
23:15:19FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Iliketwertles "just need it to": echo always adds a new line at the end
23:15:37FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> no i mean like echoing t 6 times
23:15:42FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> instead of once
23:17:06FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> its cause im using 2 for loops but idk how else to go through all the chars and colors https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1024459679272804412/screenshot_2022-09-27-191630.png
23:22:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Shit spoon feeding commited
23:22:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4bEb
23:29:00FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i appreciate it
23:29:21FromDiscord<John Fred> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4aGV
23:31:44FromDiscord<Prestige> <@&371760044473319454>
23:31:52FromDiscord<Prestige> Is there no way we can like, autoban this stuff
23:32:25FromDiscord<Girvo> @Prestige There is, but someone needs to host the server for it IIRC
23:33:25FromDiscord<Girvo> https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir is one of the things I've seen
23:33:25FromDiscord<baalajimaestro> So coin bots are making it even on matrix
23:34:06FromDiscord<Girvo> Yeah its matrix they're using to do it. It's a shame, one of the downsides of such a nice distributed protocol. But if someone can setup/run mjolnir or similar, we can nip it in the bud (or at least reduce it a lot)
23:34:47FromDiscord<Prestige> We also need better hosting for the playground, it's down again I believe
23:35:22FromDiscord<Girvo> Damn. Who hosts it currently? I'm sure I could convince work to help pay for better hosting
23:35:29FromDiscord<Prestige> PMunch
23:40:16FromDiscord<baalajimaestro> I have enough compute space to hold it, but we do need the dns of the old one
23:44:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Girvo "Damn. Who hosts it": it's hosted on the digitalocean-provided VPSes AFAIK, but PMunch has been managing it, yeah. I think he's busy with his work right now
23:48:35FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> error handling looks very similer to python, i like that
23:55:04FromDiscord<Iliketwertles> i can pipe stuff into nim by using stdin?↵(am i reading that correctly online?)
23:56:16FromDiscord<Patitotective> In reply to @Iliketwertles "i can pipe stuff": yea