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| 02:59:58 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @xtrayambak "that's just stropping combined": not really, it's defined as an operator so you don't need a `.` |
| 03:00:14 | FromDiscord | <Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @srmordred "importing `chronos` on my": tis the wonders of no IC |
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| 06:43:37 | FromDiscord | <zectbumo> Step 1, stop using steps↵Step 2, go back to step 1 |
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| 09:10:49 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> ah I see via `.high` and `.low` - yes I like that even better \:-D↵(no sequtils import needed then) - thank you! |
| 09:23:09 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=CmBrmwOK |
| 09:24:41 | Amun-Ra | you're playing a dangerous game ;) |
| 09:26:41 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> heheh, I never thought I would need stropping - but here we go \:-D |
| 09:27:10 | Amun-Ra | we need IOCCC for nim ;) |
| 09:27:23 | Amun-Ra | http://www.ioccc.org/ |
| 09:27:30 | Amun-Ra | "The International Obfuscated C Code Contest" |
| 09:28:03 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> heheh please noo.. ;-D |
| 09:30:46 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> I will submit this code: https://github.com/demotomohiro/invisinim |
| 09:31:22 | Amun-Ra | :D |
| 09:31:49 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> rofl - I do not want to peer review! ;-) |
| 09:32:23 | Amun-Ra | I had to hexdump that one ;) |
| 11:03:13 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=YzfRVeBV |
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| 11:43:35 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=wgSCaOKn |
| 11:48:06 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=DkAyBzOx |
| 11:53:45 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=XeiWTVFs |
| 11:56:24 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> hm, now I spotted one error three lines below\:↵`outletNumber.int -4` should be↵`Outlet(outletNumber.int - 4)`↵but that does not solve the compile error above.. |
| 11:58:00 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> When you use `if` expression, all expressions on each branch must be the same type.↵And I think you want to use `toSeq`: https://nim-lang.org/docs/sequtils.html#toSeq.t%2Cuntyped |
| 11:59:44 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> thank you for answer and link @demotomohiro \:-D↵I thought all three branches of the conditional would be able to collect into a `seq[Outlet]`? |
| 12:01:08 | FromDiscord | <.kraptor> who should I contact if I cannot create an account in forum.nim-lang.org? It says "couldn't send email" everytime I try... |
| 12:08:01 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> hm, wrapped into `toSeq` gave me the ame error, but now with explicitely creating a `var outlets: seq[Outlet]` and adding to it it is the same type at each branch and compiles.. \\o/ |
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| 12:28:02 | FromDiscord | <k0ts> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=bdLjaAFd |
| 12:44:14 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> In reply to @alehander92 "<@449019668296892420> that's a hard": we'll happily accept a pr - broadly, for json to support case objects correctly, you need to do two passes over the json stream: one to pick out the type and a second to pick the right fields for that type, making sure that none are missing _and_ that you support any order of fields at the same time - there's some non-trivial logic and tradeoffs to do this correctly. |
| 12:46:52 | FromDiscord | <arnetheduck> when there is more than one "case" in the object, this becomes even more hairy .. fwiw, https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/548 would help here because it keeps complexity down |
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| 13:09:01 | FromDiscord | <rakgew> true, looks a lot more succinct. thank you so much! \:-D↵(@k0ts) |
| 13:29:54 | FromDiscord | <spotlightkid> https://github.com/nim-lang/nimforum/issues/373↵(@.kraptor) |
| 13:49:18 | FromDiscord | <.kraptor> oh, I see... thanks |
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| 14:13:25 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> In reply to @.kraptor "oh, I see... thanks": You could contact me |
| 14:25:31 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> was there some reason that its a bad idea to have code in the global scope instead of in a function and calling that function once in the global scope? Does code in when isMainModule still in the global scope? (global scope might not be the right word for it) |
| 14:26:34 | Amun-Ra | when does not change a scope |
| 14:27:05 | Amun-Ra | it works like compile-time switch |
| 14:27:28 | Amun-Ra | s/a scope/the scope/ |
| 14:28:03 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> so you should put code in some kind of main() function? |
| 14:28:19 | Amun-Ra | mhm |
| 14:29:20 | FromDiscord | <.bobbbob> okay, but I'm curious why if you don't mind |
| 14:29:20 | Amun-Ra | I always use sth like: https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=CfXMHxjT |
| 14:30:04 | Amun-Ra | tbh that depends on whether you need something to execute in compile-time ornot |
| 14:30:54 | Amun-Ra | I only have compiletime time code in global scope |
| 14:31:19 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=WcAAmSZY |
| 14:33:41 | Amun-Ra | list.incl int16 j |
| 14:34:02 | Amun-Ra | iirc there's no 16-bit integer range operator |
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| 14:44:41 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> Wait, why in the world is a HashSet[int] 120x slower than .add or index adding to a sequence, and even worse to a int16 set ? i didn't think the difference would be this insane... |
| 14:45:37 | Amun-Ra | I've never used it |
| 14:45:57 | Amun-Ra | seq does not need to compute the hash, tho |
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| 14:53:14 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @kiloneie "Wait, why in the": When you access elements in `HashSet[int]`, input int value is hashed and that hash value is used to access the index in internal seq corresponding to the input int value.↵So accessing elements in `HashSet[int]` become random memory access that is slower than sequential memory access. |
| 14:56:50 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> Hmm i should test this with already calculated hash |
| 14:57:33 | Amun-Ra | you can f.e. have a separate set[int] of keys as a cache |
| 14:58:01 | Amun-Ra | I don't not whether that's a good idea;) |
| 15:00:16 | FromDiscord | <odexine> set[int] is not possible |
| 15:00:38 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @kiloneie "Hmm i should test": `HashSet` and `Table` might become faster in next Nim version as new faster hash function was added to stdlib: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/23678 |
| 15:00:39 | FromDiscord | <odexine> too big of an entity |
| 15:03:18 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> In reply to @demotomohiro "`HashSet` and `Table` might": What am i looking for ? i don't wanna read the entire thing D: |
| 15:07:11 | Amun-Ra | hmm |
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| 15:49:25 | FromDiscord | <.kraptor> @pmunch I did via DM... |
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| 16:02:44 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=UrVRwuwE |
| 16:03:22 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> + the speed up demotomohiro is talking about. And they should be quite fast |
| 16:04:10 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> in my case i think, i should if i am to spam objects of some sort, i should use a sequence, while everything else(in a game sense) could be a HashSet |
| 16:09:42 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> So like, if one is to spam create a ton of HashSets, it could cause a problem, program freeze, but if the creation is on a much smaller case, it shouldn't be a problem. Now in a game sense, like having an enemy ship spam create Projectile type objects, it would be a problem, but in such a case, just use a sequence.↵↵Yes i know im rambling, done :P. |
| 16:10:32 | FromDiscord | <leorize> if it's a game, then you might want something other than HashSet if you use an integer identifier |
| 16:15:32 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> What do you mean ? |
| 16:16:51 | FromDiscord | <leorize> see `PackedSet` |
| 16:17:11 | FromDiscord | <leorize> it's a lot more efficient when your storage is integer |
| 16:17:28 | FromDiscord | <leorize> since you don't incur hashing overhead |
| 16:21:03 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> You mean an integer for the index instead of objects and such structures right ? Without even thinking i was gonna go there, though i did forget about PackedSet(theres too many changes and or modules in the stdlib for me to follow) |
| 16:21:55 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> Wait, is packedSet a HashSet ? |
| 16:32:03 | FromDiscord | <sleeves> New to Nim, so I have a dumb question\: when making a program to be run interactively from a terminal emulator (as in continuous until exited), how do I handle closing the program? |
| 16:32:29 | FromDiscord | <sleeves> I tried to learn by example, but couldn't seem to find anything simple enough to be certain of how it works. |
| 16:34:37 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#quit%2Cint↵`quit` proc quits the program. |
| 16:35:58 | FromDiscord | <sleeves> I saw that before but assumed the warnings meant it wasn't ideal for most cases. Clearly I need to read more carefully, thanks \:-D |
| 16:36:32 | FromDiscord | <arm_3_d> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ZeErTtDA |
| 16:36:57 | FromDiscord | <arm_3_d> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=waxvIInV" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=MpinCZxY" |
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| 17:02:11 | FromDiscord | <fabric.input_output> personally I would have done something like https://github.com/fabricio-p/nanobeam/blob/main/src/nanobeam/mutex.nim, made the object non-ref and putting it inside the `Mutex` at the place where I use it |
| 17:22:34 | FromDiscord | <arm_3_d> In reply to @fabric.input_output "personally I would have": looks interesting, thanks. that `with` procs are neat |
| 17:26:52 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> In reply to @demotomohiro "`HashSet` and `Table` might": https://shorturl.at/4UtU6↵↵I assume X is bytes, vertical is ? Time in ms ? |
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| 17:55:19 | FromDiscord | <demotomohiro> In reply to @kiloneie "https://shorturl.at/4UtU6 I assume": I cannot access your URL. If you are talking about the graphs in the issue, X axis is input string size and Y axis is estimated cpu clock cycle if I remember correctly. |
| 18:07:50 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> So the new Hashing function is called Farm(or more...) and is 3x smaller and faster ? |
| 18:10:02 | FromDiscord | <pmunch> In reply to @.kraptor "<@392962235737047041> I did via": So it seems! Not sure why but I never got a notification |
| 18:11:34 | FromDiscord | <dreadnought7600> Is it possible to have styled output at compile time? styledEcho says that it cannot evaluate stdout at comptime. But echo works fine. |
| 18:11:49 | FromDiscord | <kiloneie> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=yijYIAii |
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| 19:38:01 | FromDiscord | <Phil> In reply to @.bobbbob "okay, but I'm curious": It has a bit to do with predictability.↵If you have 100 modules and all of them have some code that executes in global scope, you'll have a fun guess-time figuring out which code executes when.↵If you have a main-function, execution order is easier to follow, as at some point something within main will call a proc from the other module, meaning code-execution now happens over there etc. |
| 19:38:55 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "In reply to @.bobbbob "okay, but I'm curious": It has" => "sent" | "bit to do with predictability.↵If you have 100 modules and all of them have some code that executes in global scope, you'll have a fun guess-time figuring out which code executes when.↵If you have a main-function, execution order is easier to follow, as at some point something within main will call a proc from the other module, meaning code-execution now happe |
| 19:40:44 | FromDiscord | <Phil> Once module 64 at runtime may depend on something from module 85 stuff in global scope stuff gets super fun because now changing imports may brick stuff |
| 19:41:05 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "changing imports" => "just reorganizing import paths, like moving modules around in a specific way," |
| 19:41:24 | FromDiscord | <Phil> (edit) "64" => "64's global-scopee" |
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| 20:06:43 | FromDiscord | <melmass> Did anyone ever tried to use [Bazel](https://bazel.build) x Nim? |
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| 21:28:48 | FromDiscord | <renegattoo> Hey guys. Is it possible to compile nim into just C? |
| 21:33:12 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> What does that even mean? |
| 21:34:03 | FromDiscord | <renegattoo> It mean that the compilation result for the file x.nim would be file x.c. |
| 21:34:11 | FromDiscord | <renegattoo> (edit) "mean" => "means" |
| 21:34:52 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> You can do `nim c -c --nimcache:/some/dir my.nim` and it'll output all the C files, but it's platform dependant C |
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| 22:16:24 | FromDiscord | <xkonti> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=hpWLIGOK |
| 22:24:13 | FromDiscord | <Elegantbeef> There's not much you can automate here, the relations are not very opaque afaict |
| 22:48:34 | FromDiscord | <xkonti> Thanks for confirming that @ElegantBeef |