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00:12:15arkanoidawait are not executed inside a finally block, even if the even loop is running
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00:43:42arkanoidhere's a minimal example that shows the problem https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehr
01:03:20arkanoidthis is even more strange https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehw
01:12:59arkanoidyou know you're wasting time on a language issue when ... https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehx
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01:23:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems less like a language issue and more like a binding interaction issue, but idk
01:33:03FromDiscord<Girvo> Q: how does one clear/zero an array?
01:33:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `reset`
01:33:24FromDiscord<Girvo> Nice 🙂
01:33:25FromDiscord<Girvo> Cheers
01:37:58FromDiscord<Girvo> Array equality? I can use `diff` I guess? Or just write a simple iterator over them
01:38:08FromDiscord<Girvo> Array _value_ equality, I mean
01:38:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `==` works by default if that's what you mean
01:39:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If they're two different sized arrays you know what i'll say 😛
01:39:46FromDiscord<Girvo> 😛
01:39:50FromDiscord<Girvo> Okay sweet as
01:39:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Something about opened doors
01:40:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait not doors, uhhh rays?
01:40:32FromDiscord<Rika> You want to what? Open a ray!
01:40:35FromDiscord<Rika> (edit) "ray!" => "ray?"
01:40:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> hmm
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02:16:18FromDiscord<Girvo> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehC
02:16:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim does not have inference on object constructors
02:16:44FromDiscord<Girvo> Fair enough 🙂
02:16:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The solution is to make a constructor
02:16:59FromDiscord<Girvo> Easy as
02:20:28FromDiscord<Girvo> Okay I'm doing something wrong here
02:21:42FromDiscord<Girvo> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehD
02:22:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `slaveId =` for named parameters
02:22:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> aalso you need the generic parameter in the constructor still
02:22:18FromDiscord<Girvo> Yeah just realised your second point
02:23:09FromDiscord<Girvo> That got it 🙂
02:23:10FromDiscord<Girvo> Cheers
02:27:09FromDiscord<Girvo> Modbus writing and reading is now working fully, yay. And is using properly static buffers instead of `seq` (though it also supports them)
02:39:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also due to how typeclasses work you should be able to do `WriteMultiRegParams[EndianNumbers]` assuming it's a typeclass
02:39:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> \Typeclasses bind to a single type unless prefixed with `distinct`
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03:13:32FromDiscord<Bung> what's this meaning `type Amount[date: static[int]] = distinct float`
03:14:20FromDiscord<Bung> found in https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6026
03:18:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a distinct float with a int annotation
03:19:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ehG
03:21:36FromDiscord<Bung> so the final structure will be like ?
03:22:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Both are internally floats but are not the same type
03:22:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `static int` is just a value discriminated type
03:22:55FromDiscord<Bung> I haven't seen this real be used, is it designed ?
03:23:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Of course it is
03:23:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You dont ever need to use the generic parameters in a type definition
03:24:01FromDiscord<Bung> oh, that sound like case of
03:24:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I infact use this specifically https://github.com/beef331/truss3d/blob/master/src/truss3D/shaders.nim#L9
03:24:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well actually it's not static, but meh same thing
03:24:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `static int` is basically a type
03:25:01FromDiscord<Bung> I understand now, it only affect type inferrence
03:25:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doesnt only effect type inferrence
03:25:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a distinct type
03:25:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `Amount[0]` and `Amount[1]` require conversion to eachother and or from `float`
03:28:18FromDiscord<Bung> yep, float to them, but still in domain of type inferrence
03:29:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont see how but i'll just shush
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07:46:26madpropshelo nimbros
07:50:31FromDiscord<Prestige> Hello
08:01:32FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> Hey all, is it possible to program the AST so that if you don't call a given function from inside another given function, you get an error message?
08:01:36FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "an" => "a compile-time"
08:10:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's even the point of having the second function in main scope
08:10:38FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eie
08:16:18FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eih
08:16:39FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eih" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eii"
08:16:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just use destructors?
08:17:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Destructors + effect system
08:18:34FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> That would make the Nim implementation too different from VCL. VCL is more C-like and simpler in nature. I agree that a simple return value could contain all the needed stuff, but for example:↵There is a function called RECV which is the top level request entry function. In it you can return: SYNTH, HASH etc. If you return other valid return states like DELIVER you should get a compilation error.
08:20:44FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/5H6
08:20:59FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eik" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eij"
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08:21:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I feel like you could use the type system
08:21:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eil
08:28:23PMunchYou could do something like this: https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eio
08:28:36PMunchIt's not a compilation error though..
08:29:14PMunchI tried to set `calledEndThing` to be {.compileTime.}, but unfortunately that didn't work
08:29:33PMunchAnd of course it's much harder to guarantee that endThing will always be called
08:29:57PMunchE.g. with the effects system you will only be able to tell if one branch has endThing, but not if every branch has endThing AFAIK
08:34:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Here's how you'd do that statically pmunch https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eiq
08:35:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Even with the ability to say which procedure it needs to call
08:35:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Though it doesnt ensure that every path calls it cause I dont feel like implementing static analysis in macros or at this hour
08:45:38PMunchThat only checks if it is called directly though
08:46:13PMunchIf you create a procedure say e.g. `cleanup` and try to call `endThing` from there then this won't pick that up
08:50:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Sure but that's what implementing static analysis would be fore
08:50:41FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I think you can create a macro as a pragma that check the AST of body of the given procedure.
08:51:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea you need to walk all procedure calls, checking their code, and get definitive call logic in there, just what a compiler does 😛
09:01:15PMunchYeah it should certainly be possible to traverse the syntax tree and get the implementation of the procedure calls until you find a call to your procedure in a node (need to watch out for recursion though).
09:02:01PMunchIt won't be able to traverse into callbacks though
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09:20:56FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> That is very nice. I can use that example to show how Nim AST programming could simplify the porting of VCL logic to Nim
09:21:44FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "Nim" => "Nim. Certain things will translate well to proper abstractions and types, and other things can perhaps be caught at compile-time using AST programming"
09:23:56FromDiscord<planetis> Or you can make a DSL this way you make sure it's used as it should be.
09:24:43FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> VCL is already a DSL, but it's not run inside isolation. I am using a custom-made emulator to run a VCL-alternative in the cache. It could be any language, including Nim
09:25:31FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> Considering all the work that goes into making a sane language, I don't think it's something for me.)
09:25:34FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "me.)" => "me 🙂"
09:43:46FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> I have a question, are things like arrays, structs and so on cleaned up automatically by garbage collector when you interop with a C library?↵because I read that https://git.sr.ht/~exelotl/nim-tilengine and↵> Note: these bindings do use manual memory management, so you must call map.delete() etc. to avoid leaks.
09:47:13NimEventerNew thread by sls1005: Nimscript and GPL, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9557
09:49:35FromDiscord<ChocolettePalette> If it was safely created within nim, then you don't have to do anything↵(@System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet)
09:50:13FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @ChocolettePalette "If it was safely": what do you mean by that? The lib is written in C
09:52:29FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Garbage collector clean up ref object or seqs in heap and doesn't clean up arrays or object types in stack.
09:53:18FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @demotomohiro "Garbage collector clean up": even Java and C# don't clean up stack I think?
09:53:48FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @System64 "even Java and C#": http://zevv.nl/nim-memory/
09:54:32FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Things in stack is clean up when the function returns.
09:56:24FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Yeah that's what I meant, so don't need a GC for that
09:57:24FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> https://github.com/system64MC/NimTilengine/tree/master/src↵And is that memory safe?
10:06:46FromDiscord<exelotl> @System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet if you wanna have C types get automatically cleaned up when there are no more references to them, you can use ARC/ORC and either wrap them in `ref` objects or implement the refcounting yourself. See this thread: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9006
10:07:38FromDiscord<demotomohiro> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4eiP
10:08:07FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @exelotl "<@380360389377916939> if you wanna": Ah alright, and are the performances still good?
10:10:12FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @demotomohiro "If you pass an": So what I did in my binding is unsafe?
10:12:57FromDiscord<exelotl> There will be some performance overhead but it doesnt matter too much for this library because refcounting and pointer indirection at the procedure calls is never gonna be the bottleneck (compared to the rendering code in the engine)
10:13:38FromDiscord<demotomohiro> You would better to learn how stacks works and you can judge safe or not yourself. http://zevv.nl/nim-memory/
10:15:11FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I don't know where your binding calls C functions and how called C functions works.
10:39:59FromDiscord<exelotl> In reply to @exelotl "<@380360389377916939> if you wanna": I should say this is also harder than it sounds because you need to know if the library is still holding onto something or not. For example when you load a map, Tilengine can create palettes for it, which you can access, but you can also make your own palettes.
10:41:13FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> So probably manual management is easier?
10:41:40FromDiscord<exelotl> yeah, it saves a lot of hassle in this case
10:42:11FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> One rule : You don't use it anymore? Put it in the trash
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10:44:09FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> But in any case, I think Nim's manual memory management is safer than C, as long as I don't do weird things
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12:01:17FromDiscord<exelotl> hmm, shouldn't `high(set[T])` work?
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12:18:43FromDiscord<jmgomez> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejl
12:19:01FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejl" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejm"
12:19:33FromDiscord<jmgomez> from std/hashes
12:20:17FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejm" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejn"
12:20:25FromDiscord<enthus1ast> mh, maybe different encoding?
12:20:31FromDiscord<enthus1ast> yeah strange
12:21:05FromDiscord<enthus1ast> is `file == "skdtest"` ?
12:22:48FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejo
12:25:29FromDiscord<untoreh> can I find out the actual variable being destroyed by a call of `nimDestroyAndDispose` ?
12:32:18FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @enthus1ast "mh, maybe different encoding?": seems win file system is utf-16 but nim should be converting it to utf-8
12:32:46FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @enthus1ast "is `file == "skdtest"`": it isnt! hmm will try char by char..
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12:36:54FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @jmgomez "Why this two hashes": Im clearly blind.. it's outputing skdtest LOL
12:37:08FromDiscord<jmgomez> (edit) "skdtest" => "skdtest"
12:43:38FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @Tanguy "Do we have any": I'm in process of writing the python script to pull data from the GH repository, but so far I've determined there were 1960 unique users who created issue and/or commented on issues
12:43:39FromDiscord<haxscramper> in the repo
12:44:16FromDiscord<haxscramper> Also average time to close the issue is ~375.48103347551967 days
12:44:56FromDiscord<Tanguy> That's useful data, but also nim is the first language I used where I had to open an issue on the compiler 🙂
12:45:25FromDiscord<Tanguy> In reply to @haxscramper "Also average time to": Are you taking into account still opened tickets? Not sure how to take them into account though
12:46:01FromDiscord<haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/4pc
12:46:16FromDiscord<haxscramper> gives `32441588.3345203` seconds which is ~375 days according to google
12:49:48FromDiscord<haxscramper> https://mega.nz/file/Z4cz3DCB#Lfjg_g69nJJGQU5cfjSONaePFyjyoQ7CSYF6BUxKktc here is an SQLIte db if you are interested
12:50:03FromDiscord<haxscramper> (edit) "https://mega.nz/file/Z4cz3DCB#Lfjg_g69nJJGQU5cfjSONaePFyjyoQ7CSYF6BUxKktc here is an SQLIte db if you are interested ... " added "with current info"
12:51:28FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @haxscramper "gives `32441588.3345203` seconds which": to actually close the (`closed_at` is not null) takes ~206 days
12:52:06NimEventerNew thread by sls1005: Calling conversions for C macros, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9558
13:02:57FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> How would i expose the automatically generated main function to Emscripten?
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13:11:46FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I'm trying to compile my Nim code to standalone wasm
13:15:15FromDiscord<haxscramper> automatically generated main is `main()` as in regular C program and IIRC it is called automatically
13:15:19FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Eyyy i got it to work! I had to write my own main and pass the `--nomain` flag though, so if anyone knows a better way to do that...
13:15:33FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @haxscramper "automatically generated main is": Emscripten doesn't seem to see that
13:15:46FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> I can get the output if ya want?
13:16:08FromDiscord<haxscramper> Then `--nomain` is as good solution as any, it doesn't really feel like a hack-in if you are worried about that
13:16:28FromDiscord<haxscramper> emscripten can be a bit umm annoying like that
13:16:38FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Hm does Nim not do any special stuff for initialising the GCs or?
13:16:56FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Yeah the main proc is actually cleaner xD
13:18:26FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Event Horizon "Hm does Nim not": depends on the GC; some dont need init
13:18:35FromDiscord<Rika> init is done when `NimMain` is called
13:19:06FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> In reply to @Rika "depends on the GC;": How about with `arc` then?
13:20:05FromDiscord<haxscramper> https://github.com/haxscramper/hack/blob/4b3672348cef91bb8e9441d29c127e73be5d4b69/testing/c/wasm/niminterop/main.c because <IDR what reason> I just wrote a clean `main.c` that kickstarted everything
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13:24:00FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejG
13:24:04FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> But also fair enough
13:26:11FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/E9w
13:26:15FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Emscripten is annoying with Nim, i can see that now
13:28:27PMunch@Rika, you still need NimMain to initialize global variables
13:29:15FromDiscord<Rika> technically i never said that NimMain isnt a required call but i guess the implication was there
13:29:16FromDiscord<Rika> xddddddddd
13:30:09PMunchBut yeah `--nomain` stops the generation of a main function which just calls NimMain. You can use `proc main() {.importc: "NimMain".}` to get a procedure you can call to run NimMain from whatever entrypoint you need
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13:39:32FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Ah neat
13:41:20FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> It's still annoying that this... Workaround is needed
13:41:45FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @PMunch "But yeah `--nomain` stops": TBH writing your own main function is one of the main best practices that I immediately copied from python
13:42:18PMunchWhat do you mean?
13:42:59FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> Emscripten doesn't seem to like Nim's generated main function and refuses to compile unless i create my own (which doesn't handle the NimMain stuff)
13:44:23FromDiscord<Horizon [She/Her]> (The one created when you just compile it by default)
13:44:25FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ejS
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14:03:58FromDiscord<Rika> `when isMainModule: main()` though?
14:04:08FromDiscord<Rika> idk if thats the right constant name
14:05:05FromDiscord<Snowball^> VS code run button does not work
14:05:22FromDiscord<Snowball^> it just tells me to select a exstension for nim that i have allready installe
14:05:25FromDiscord<Snowball^> how do i fix?
14:05:31FromDiscord<Snowball^> (edit) "installe" => "installed"
14:13:26FromDiscord<Snowball^> and yes nim is installed
14:24:36FromDiscord<Phil> I don't really use nim's run button, I set up a vscode task to compile on save
14:24:55FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "nim's" => "vscode's" | "button," => "button for nim,"
14:25:00FromDiscord<vindaar> yeah, that's the equivalent of the ugly `name` comparison in python (without the main could be called even if the file is imported in another file, if anyone is unaware). And yes, that's the right name↵(@Rika)
14:26:13FromDiscord<vindaar> (btw it's really useful that code in a `when` block at top level is still at top level, i.e. `import` under `when isMainModule` still works. Allows to only import things required if a module is used as a standalone, e.g. using `cligen` to dispatch as a CL handler)
14:27:53FromDiscord<Snowball^> In reply to @Isofruit "I don't really use": how do i do that?
14:34:22FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4ek4
14:34:25FromDiscord<Phil> Generally: The docs about this are here: https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs/editor/tasks
14:36:53FromDiscord<Snowball^> ok ty
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15:18:34FromDiscord<ChocolettePalette> Seems very much like json format to me IMHO↵(@Phil)
15:24:56FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @ChocolettePalette "Seems very much like": and?
15:39:08FromDiscord<Rika> im confused about what you are trying to convey lol
15:39:12FromDiscord<Rika> yeah thats json
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17:13:29NimEventerNew thread by EnteryName: Question about patterns, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9559
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21:55:28FromDiscord<geekrelief> How can I test for the existence of a C `#define` from nim? I want to check if `_DLL` is defined and do conditional compilation on that.
21:57:52FromDiscord<geekrelief> I guess in this case maybe I can example system.appType, but I wonder if there's a general answer to my question.
21:57:58FromDiscord<geekrelief> (edit) "example" => "examine"
22:00:25FromDiscord<guttural666> how do I avoid a name conflict here? these nones should be scoped to the respective enums, right? that's what I thought at least https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1035674423749005364/unknown.png
22:01:24FromDiscord<geekrelief> In reply to @guttural666 "how do I avoid": what version of nim are you running?
22:01:47FromDiscord<guttural666> In reply to @geekrelief "what version of nim": v1.6.6
22:02:16FromDiscord<geekrelief> someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can try using {.pure.} on the enums
22:03:05FromDiscord<geekrelief> I think overloadable enums are going to be the default in the future
22:05:46FromDiscord<Prestige> Is that actually a compile error? I'm pretty sure I've done the same thing and it worked just fine
22:06:52FromDiscord<geekrelief> maybe you need a flag or an experimental pragma?
22:07:02FromDiscord<geekrelief> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/a6189fbb988ae9c9e6760cb901e792e043b9086b/tests/enum/toverloadable_enums.nim
22:07:03FromDiscord<guttural666> pure works, thanks!
22:07:09FromDiscord<geekrelief> oh ok great!
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22:39:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If they're in different modules it works, or if you dont have overloadable enums or if you use pure↵(@Prestige)
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22:44:53FromDiscord<guttural666> why would anything but pure be the default, what's the intention behind that
22:45:08FromDiscord<guttural666> who would want their namespaces littered in such a way?
22:45:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is Nim and you ask that?
22:45:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim is all about writing code without namespaces
22:46:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You say "import this module\` and you get all it's exported symbols first class
22:46:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The only downside with this is that overloadable enums were not default so same enum names could not be used
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23:25:58FromDiscord<guttural666> makes sense