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04:56:04FromDiscord<pmunch> It could also be that your Xresources is set up incorrectly
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06:21:44PMunchIs there a name demangler somewhere? Basically a way of turning something like _ZN8strutils9toHexImplE6uInt6425range192233720368547758074bool into something more readable
06:22:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Devel uses a different mangling sequence
06:22:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> With `--debugger:native`
06:22:54PMunchReally?
06:22:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Aside from that nope
06:23:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea it now uses itanium mangling
06:23:17PMunchThat sample was compiled with `--debugger:native`
06:23:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> On devel?
06:23:36PMunchNah 2.0.4
06:23:49PMunchJust a sec, I'll try devel
06:24:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Itanium will be much easier to get to readable
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06:24:26PMunchHmm, looks exactly the same..
06:24:44PMunch`000000000000b36d t _ZN8strutils9toHexImplE6uInt6425range192233720368547758074bool /home/peter/.choosenim/toolchains/nim-#devel/lib/pure/strutils.nim:976`
06:24:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wait that is itanium'd 😄
06:24:51PMunchOutput from `nm`
06:24:57PMunchHaha :P
06:25:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `_Z` is the itanium prefix
06:25:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> it's then encoded internally for everything
06:25:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 8 - strutils
06:25:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 9 - toHexImpl
06:25:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> E ends that list
06:26:32PMunchSweet! `nm --demangle=auto` was able to demangle it for me :)
06:26:35PMunch000000000000b36d t strutils::toHexImpl(uInt64, range19223372036854775807, bool) /home/peter/.choosenim/toolchains/nim-#devel/lib/pure/strutils.nim:976
06:26:58PMunchTo C++ syntax, but for debugging purposes that's fine
06:27:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yep that's the benefit of using itanium it's commonly supported
06:27:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A lot of tooling also picks that up so you get `T<...>`
06:29:31PMunchI guess we could try to get `--demangle=nim` support into nm
06:29:41PMunchIt already has dlang and rust
06:29:51PMunchAlong with Java and Gnat, whatever that is
06:30:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It has a `--plugin` api
06:31:10PMunchIs bacon a big issue with ORC? `system::collectCyclesBacon(var<system::GcEnv>, int)`
06:31:25PMunchOh right, that would probably make more sense
06:31:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/files/us-bacon/Bacon01Concurrent.pdf seems it's in reference to that
06:31:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But that is a dead link
06:32:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/sendilkumarn/gopurerc/blob/master/papers/Bacon01Concurrent.pdf ah a whitepaper
06:32:48FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=FBLPRnwxoTwB
06:33:12FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=UYaBYbCzWKav" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=OcbKLkZIoxsr"
06:33:53PMunchHaha, yeah I assumed it was a last name
06:34:30PMunchWas that a question @sOkam?
06:34:55FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> I was wondering if this would be a `--thing` switch you would be willing to add, since I already hit this problem a few times
06:35:12PMunch`--thing`?
06:35:22FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> `-d:unsafeProcs:on`, and friends
06:35:28FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> (edit) "`-d:unsafeProcs:on`," => "`-d:unsafeProcNames:on`,"
06:35:39PMunchIt'd probably mess up more things than you'd think
06:36:09PMunchI assume you're talking about the issue you created yesterday?
06:36:14FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> yes
06:36:53PMunchThe way to properly fix that is to move away from `usedNames` to a better mechanism which would check actual collisions
06:37:20PMunchWould be a tricky choice though
06:37:26PMunchOr rather a tricky refactor
06:38:03FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> i just don't want to add so much work on you and never get something usable, even if hacky and opt-in
06:38:17FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> I would rather have a simple fix that does the thing 🤷‍♂️
06:38:35PMunchWell it does something, but quite possibly not what you want it to
06:39:31PMunchSure it would give you overloaded names, but it would also break if two things happened to actually collide
06:39:52PMunchThe risk of which is far greater since we're going to a smaller space of names
06:40:22FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> hence the `-d:unsafe` part of the name
06:41:02PMunchBut feel free to mess about with sanitizeName and see if you get anything working, if you actually end up with something useful I could always merge it
06:41:34FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> is sanitizeName called for each kind separately? or is it called globally independent of kind?↵I was wondering how to set it up to have separate unsafeKind definitions 🤔
06:45:20PMunchNot sure what you mean by that
06:50:15FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @PMunch "Along with Java and": isn't gnat that Ada compiler?
06:51:05FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=ITKhFpFWFUPe
06:51:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Horizontal aligned code in my Nordic C auto wrapper?!
06:52:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That meme of "Christian server" just seemed to fit
06:56:32FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> @pmunch sorry for so many pings today↵The other calls seem to be specific per node kind, but I can't seem to understand this one↵What is this one doing exactly? What context is this for? 🤔↵https://github.com/PMunch/futhark/blob/c10283315f99bc7fe276469050ada9dccb340575/src/futhark.nim#L792-L795
06:59:40PMunchThat populates the name cache
07:00:23PMunchOr the "renamed" table more specifically
07:00:51PMunchFurther calls to `sanitizeName` for the same name will just be a lookup in that table
07:02:02PMunchIt's done that way to give precedence to first level items
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07:21:02FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> you would have to correct these changes, as they are the most hacked possible... but hey, it works! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1234404057725145088/image.png?ex=66309bdd&is=662f4a5d&hm=24b8b440af01aacdc4b1ecfdecde7d2c7a43682861835a1213248774d90d146f&
07:28:03FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> is there a way to change the formatting options of `NimNode.repr`, just like you'd do with `nimpretty ...`?
07:55:44PMunchNot AFAIk
08:02:58PMunchUhm, what's the deal with `UnsafeToplevelName_TODO`
08:03:06PMunchAnd your formatting is cursed as always..
08:05:02PMunchYou should be able to just look at the `kind` field to determine which of the consts you need to look at
08:05:36PMunchThat way you don't have to add an extra parameter to every `sanitizeName` call to redundantly pass that information.
08:06:56PMunchApart from that it looks fine :)
08:07:55FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @PMunch "And your formatting is": XD
08:08:13FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @PMunch "Uhm, what's the deal": I asked you about it, because I don't understand it
08:08:27FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> so its "TODO" until the issue is untangled
08:08:57PMunchWell it's using the `JsonNode` overload, so if you go with the path of looking at those `kind` strings instead of passing an extra argument it solves itself :)
08:09:12FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @PMunch "That way you don't": yeah I was also thinking about that option, but since I don't know all of the kinds, I hacked it this way for now
08:09:27PMunchThose kinds should really be an enum..
08:09:37FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> if it would have been an enum, then it would be clearer, yeah
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08:10:37PMunchI'm also starting to think that maybe it should create all the definitions first, then figure out names afterwards. That way this kind of stuff (and the casing stuff you brought up last time) would be a lot easier to deal with
08:17:19FromDiscord<madonuko> is there some sort of "spread" operator
08:17:26PMunchNope
08:17:32FromDiscord<madonuko> I have like
08:17:41FromDiscord<madonuko> a seq of nnkOfBranch
08:17:52FromDiscord<madonuko> and I want to add it to nnkRecCase()
08:17:56FromDiscord<madonuko> (edit) "nnkRecCase()" => "nnkRecCase.newTree()"
08:18:08FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Spread? Like Python's splat?
08:18:17FromDiscord<madonuko> uhhhh
08:18:19FromDiscord<madonuko> not sure what that is
08:18:33FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> `(1, 2, 3)` -> `1, 2, 3`
08:19:09FromDiscord<madonuko> basically I want something like nnkRecCase.newTree(nnkIdentDefs.newTree(...), nnkOfBranch.newTree(...), nnkOfBranch.newTeee(...), ...)
08:19:24FromDiscord<madonuko> so I have many nnkOfBranch.newTree() that I'd like to add to nnkRecCase.newTree()
08:19:25FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> In reply to @madonuko "is there some sort": you could create it, potentially
08:19:53FromDiscord<madonuko> I mean…
08:20:02FromDiscord<madonuko> that's not the point but idk
08:20:04FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#lexical-analysis-operators
08:20:19FromDiscord<madonuko> that's not what I'm looking for
08:20:49FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> you are looking for an operator that doesn't exist, so I link you the syntax of what nim will understand as operators, so you can create it with macros
08:21:17FromDiscord<madonuko> I'm asking how I can add multiple nnkOfBranch.newTree() to nnkRecCase.newTree()
08:21:22FromDiscord<madonuko> because I'm already creating a macro
08:21:31FromDiscord<madonuko> and I don't want to create yet another macro for the macro I'm currently writing
08:21:41FromDiscord<madonuko> (edit) "and I don't want to create yet another macro ... for" added "just"
08:21:41FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=XpatSgBQRnna
08:22:00FromDiscord<madonuko> In reply to @madonuko "I'm asking how I": .
08:22:16FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> then it was already answered, im afraid
08:22:40FromDiscord<madonuko> wait wdym
08:22:54FromDiscord<madonuko> wait that could only be done with a macro?
08:22:55FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> PMunch already answered that it doesn't exist
08:23:09FromDiscord<madonuko> I'm not trying to create a macro for that
08:23:12PMunch@madonuko, `var rc = nnkRecCase.newTree(); for x in mySeq: rc.add x` is this what you're looking for?
08:23:29FromDiscord<madonuko> oh wait there's add()? ok thanks let me try that
08:24:50FromDiscord<pmunch> In reply to @heysokam "if it would have": Feel free to refactor it as an enum 🙂
08:25:39FromDiscord<kots> There's also an add that takes varargs you can pass the seq in directly
08:25:46FromDiscord<kots> (edit) "There's also an add that takes varargs ... you" added "so"
08:28:00FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> I don't think i'm the right person to do that. I barely even understand the code 🤷‍♂️
08:29:19PMunchIt's quite a simple refactor, just go through and figure out all the kinds that can get passed in and add them to an enum
08:29:50PMunchHmm, some of them come from Opir though, but still it shouldn't be too hard
08:43:24ntatHi. I need to use Text To Speech in Nim. I am looking for a way to be able to get the same voices in Windows and In Linux. Do you guys have any experience with this? I was thinking of using Google Voice, but I don't know if this is possible?
08:45:49ntatThere is, of course, still espeak, I, however, need clearer voices.
08:48:10PMunchWhy wouldn't Google Voice work?
08:48:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I wrote Open JTalk wrapper for Nim before.↵https://github.com/demotomohiro/nimopenjtalk↵But it seems supports only Japanese and not updated.
09:05:03FromDiscord<juniwatson> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/SIQGTLHUAsKT
09:05:42FromDiscord<nnsee> <@&371760044473319454>
09:12:16FromDiscord<Phil> I assume pmunch was faster?
09:12:28PMunchYup :)
09:19:25FromDiscord<odexine> imagine being so slow @ phil
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10:21:43FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> @pmunch have you ever had a case where futhark wasn't generating every proc in a header? 🤔
10:22:05PMunchSure, it doesn't generate inline procs for example
10:23:04FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=MZUgsYxcdrWM
10:23:42FromDiscord<pmunch> That all depends on those macros
10:24:04FromDiscord<pmunch> WGPU_EXPORT and WGPU_FUNCTION_ATTRIBUTE
10:24:29FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> they are just labels
10:24:42PMunchNo they're not..
10:24:53FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=hybsZFCEtAyR
10:24:54PMunchWGPU_EXPORT adds the visibility attribute
10:25:45FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=IEdUxTWDmQXq
10:25:54FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> im compiling static
10:26:02FromDiscord<pmunch> Right
10:26:19FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=gmUKRyexTOhw
10:26:28PMunchThen it should wrap that one
10:26:49FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> but its not 🤷‍♂️↵does the word `configure` clash with something on nim? 🤔
10:27:36PMunchNot as far as I know
10:27:53PMunchIs it in the Opir file?
10:29:16FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> good question
10:29:51FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> nope
10:32:54PMunchThen it means that Opir ie. Clang, doesn't see it
10:33:09PMunchWhich is very strange
10:33:28PMunchDo you get any errors from Opir while compiling?
10:34:13FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> none that I know of 🤔
10:34:31PMunchThat you know of?
10:34:34FromDiscord<sOkam! 🫐> its all silent. are they `hint`s or something?
10:34:48PMunchDon't remember
10:34:57PMunchYou can try to run the Opir command manually
10:36:00PMunchWhen running Futhark it shows the command it runs
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11:51:29FromDiscord<pax_audiogamer> hey people, for what ever reason when I do a random sample from a list it always picks a first item, and there's around 4 stuff in the list, so, what's the problem?
11:52:27FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pax_audiogamer "hey people, for what": you need to call `randomize()`
11:53:01FromDiscord<nnsee> see the basic example in https://nim-lang.org/docs/random.html#basic-usage
12:09:38FromDiscord<pax_audiogamer> In reply to @nnsee "you need to call": I did call it before the function in the library I thought that it'll be called but apparently nope.
12:14:20FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @pax_audiogamer "I did call it": how did you call it? it should work
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12:35:33modevGood day!
12:35:50FromDiscord<nnsee> hello
12:36:08modevIs there bindings to bullet physics c++ library somewhere? (I have not found)
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13:32:59FromDiscord<xtrayambak> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#pasty=NmGGijCfzDEm
13:34:18Amun-Rahow was cell.data allocated?
13:34:34Amun-Raand are you sure the value is properly initialized
13:35:14Amun-Rahmm, can an object be =deallocated twice?
13:35:28Amun-Raif so, perhaps cell.data = nil would fix that
13:35:34FromDiscord<xtrayambak> `cell.data` is just casting a type into a pointer
13:35:37FromDiscord<xtrayambak> oh god I think I found it
13:35:49Amun-Rawhat was it?
13:35:50FromDiscord<xtrayambak> the data type that's getting casted into a pointer is ref counted
13:36:14FromDiscord<xtrayambak> nevermind, now it can't even be cast to a pointer
13:36:44FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @Amun-Ra "if so, perhaps cell.data": that requires `=destroy` to take in a mutable reference, which the signature forbids
13:37:16FromDiscord<xtrayambak> In reply to @Amun-Ra "hmm, can an object": it is called twice for some reason, and `cell.data` is never set to `nil` once I call dealloc on it
13:37:30FromDiscord<xtrayambak> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1234498800303996938/Oz8OdRc.png?ex=6630f419&is=662fa299&hm=0a86b4408330ceaa4f7910e304f34ded6d90aac950ab159d462f3b794c081eee&
13:37:38Amun-Raso thatn use after free
13:37:56FromDiscord<xtrayambak> yeah but it shouldn't happen
13:38:06FromDiscord<xtrayambak> why is `cell.data` not set to nil after dealloc is called on it?
13:38:15Amun-Rawhy should it be?
13:38:36Amun-Raand by what method? you don't pass ptr pointer to dealloc
13:38:41Amun-Rayou pass the value
13:39:08Amun-Ravar x = 0; foo(x) # there's no way you can't change the value of x here
13:39:15FromDiscord<xtrayambak> ah
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13:39:22FromDiscord<xtrayambak> then is there any way I can deallocate that pointer?
13:39:22Amun-Raassuming foo is a proc foo(x: int)
13:39:49FromDiscord<xtrayambak> I don't want to rely on the garbage collector either
13:39:49Amun-Rahmm, proc `=destroy`(cell: var Cell)?
13:40:14FromDiscord<xtrayambak> yeah that works
13:40:36FromDiscord<xtrayambak> nimlsp was needlessly shouting at me that it requires an immutable object, not a mutable reference :P
13:40:42Amun-Ra;)
13:41:05FromDiscord<xtrayambak> Thanks for the help!
13:41:10Amun-Rano worries :)
13:41:39Amun-Raand by "you can't change" I mean "you can change" ;)
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13:52:18FromDiscord<nocturn9x> is there a decent way of figuring out where a segfault is coming from?
13:52:36FromDiscord<nocturn9x> --stacktrace:on --linetrace:on are useless, and `import segfaults` isn't useful either
13:52:44FromDiscord<nocturn9x> (edit) "--stacktrace:on --linetrace:on" => "`--stacktrace:on --linetrace:on`"
13:54:14FromDiscord<nocturn9x> can I have nim produce a core dump?
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14:26:06FromDiscord<pmunch> Gdb?
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14:36:21FromDiscord<torinakaya> 18+ Teen Girls and onlyfans leaks for free :peach: :underage: https://discord.gg/CYNumE8ABr @everyone
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15:23:12FromDiscord<wileycoleman> In reply to @isofruit "Can someone give me": Action for the 3rd name?
15:24:10FromDiscord<zidsal> is it worth setting up a bot trap channel so that the mod's dont need to intervene so much? I know other discord servers have it setup so that if you post in the bot trap channel it just autobans you and deletes any recent message you've made
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15:25:04FromDiscord<wileycoleman> In reply to @zidsal "is it worth setting": Do real people get caught in this too by accident?
15:26:25FromDiscord<zidsal> that very much depends on your target audience! generally there is a single post in there telling you about the repercussions of posting in the bot trap channel
15:27:25FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> In reply to @zidsal "is it worth setting": I'd say an airlock or something might be useful tbh
15:27:40FromDiscord<Robyn [She/Her]> Make it so you have to reply with an emoji on a message to gain access to the server
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16:08:21NimEventerNew thread by aiac: How to borrow iterator `items` for distinct type?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/11514
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17:33:19PMunchHmm, given a filename from walkDirRec, what would be the best way to create a file URI?
17:34:00PMunchI ran into an issue with files containing question marks, but encodeUrl would also encode the slashes in the path
17:34:22PMunchsplit("/").map(encodeUrl).join("/") is tempting
17:34:36PMunchBut in the case of an escaped "/" it would fail
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18:51:46Amun-Ranocturn9x: stacktrsce + linetrace + asan + ubsan
18:52:06FromDiscord<nocturn9x> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@523555920265871380>: stacktrsce + linetrace": stacktrace and linetrace do nothing
18:52:12FromDiscord<nocturn9x> like literally nothing
18:52:27FromDiscord<nocturn9x> I'm trying to get a core dump and analyzing it with gdb
18:58:18Amun-Rathose can potentially help nimgdb
18:58:23Amun-RaI
18:58:31Amun-RaI'd turn asan and ubsan on
19:00:36Amun-Ra--passc='-fsanitize=address,undefined' --passl='-lasan -lubsan'
19:02:54PMunchHmm I asked this before, but is there no way to get the `nim.vim` plugin to not run `nim check`?
19:04:34*Amun-Ra doesn't know the answer
19:04:51Amun-Rabut you can mod the source
19:12:03FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @PMunch "Hmm I asked this": What are you using the nim.vim plugin for btw
19:12:41*Amun-Ra uses vim.nvim
19:12:59Amun-Ranim.nvim*
19:13:22PMunchsaint.___., for highlighting?
19:13:37PMunch> but you can mod the source
19:13:41PMunchOf course I can..
19:13:57Amun-Rayes, I know it's not the answer
19:14:24Amun-Raperhaps there's a switch of some kind
19:14:44strogon14PMunch: Python's quote() has a safe="/" param for url-encoding paths. Maybe worth a PR for encodeUrl?
19:16:28PMunchstrogon14, that does sound handy
19:16:57FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @PMunch "saint.___., for highlighting?": Ohh okay are you using vim or nvim
19:17:06FromDiscord<saint.___.> Cause treesitter is way better for nim for syntax highlighting
19:17:32FromDiscord<saint.___.> It comes built into tree-sitter now
19:17:55Amun-Ra…and quote_plus
19:18:09FromDiscord<saint.___.> I'm sure you already know this however
19:18:45FromDiscord<nnsee> is it really better?
19:18:59FromDiscord<nnsee> nim.vim seemed to provide smarter highlighting last time I checked
19:20:58PMunchsaint.___., I use vim. Can I just grab the treesitter plugin and get Nim highlighting without nim.vim?
19:21:57Amun-RaSetting up nim (1.6.14-3) ...
19:22:09Amun-Raoh man, debian testing…
19:23:34Amun-Rathere should be 2.0.2 already in
19:25:12FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @nnsee "nim.vim seemed to provide": Way better
19:25:19FromDiscord<saint.___.> I mean treesitter is way better
19:25:40FromDiscord<saint.___.> You can't compare non treesitter to treesitter syntax cause non treesitter stuff doesn't highlight most of the code
19:26:15FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @PMunch "saint.___., I use vim.": I don't think there's a tree-sitter plugin for regular vim
19:26:30FromDiscord<saint.___.> You can likely just move to nvim with your current config and almost everything will work
19:26:38strogon14PMunch: but your split solution seems ok, too. encodeUrl doesn't handle strings with already encoded chars in them anyway.
19:26:52FromDiscord<saint.___.> I was a longtime regular vim user too but I made the switch it was worth it to start of at first I didn't have to change anything
19:27:03Amun-RaI'm still on neovim 0.7.2-8, no treesitter for me
19:27:05FromDiscord<saint.___.> Or like one keybind actually
19:27:14FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @Amun-Ra "I'm still on neovim": Yeah stable is now v.10
19:27:36FromDiscord<saint.___.> Good idea to update I think
19:27:49FromDiscord<saint.___.> Oh it 0.9.5
19:27:56FromDiscord<saint.___.> 0.10 is I guess beta still
19:28:11FromDiscord<saint.___.> If you need some help setting it up I can definitely help you
19:28:53PMunchsaint.___., that "almost" has me suspicious..
19:29:38PMunchstrogon14, problem with split is if I have a filename with a slash in it and it is stored in the path as `/some/folder/with\/cheese`
19:29:54PMunchThat would get split into some, folder, with\, and cheese
19:30:01PMunchSo I need to use a proper path splitter
19:30:18FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @PMunch "saint.___., that "almost" has": Suspicious?
19:30:26FromDiscord<saint.___.> Do you mean interested?
19:30:46PMunchNo, I mean suspicious as in I feel like there might be some hidden cost or unacceptable tradeoff :P
19:30:50FromDiscord<saint.___.> Ohh
19:30:55PMunchBut I might give it a go
19:30:58FromDiscord<saint.___.> Well nvim was made to be backwards compatible
19:31:18FromDiscord<saint.___.> That's sort of the main gripe nvim users have with it
19:31:19PMunchHuh, I thought it was meant to be a completely new thing
19:31:25FromDiscord<saint.___.> It has to support all this legacy stuff
19:31:29strogon14PMunch: That's not an escaped slash, but a filename with a backskash in it.
19:31:29strogon14Escape chars are for string literals, they should not be in the string data.
19:31:37Amun-Rasaint.___.: I'm waiting for the new version to hit the repository
19:31:39FromDiscord<saint.___.> Nah it's completely backwards compatible, well like 95%
19:31:54PMunchHuh, cool
19:31:54FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @Amun-Ra "saint.___.: I'm waiting for": Which repo, like debian or something?
19:31:59PMunchMaybe I'll give it a go then
19:32:00FromDiscord<saint.___.> 0.9 has been out for a long time
19:32:11PMunchAnyways, I'm off
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19:32:17FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @PMunch "Maybe I'll give it": Ya for a while I ran nvim and vim at the same time, like they would both run from the same vimrc
19:32:32Amun-Rasaint.___.: debian testing
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19:32:40FromDiscord<saint.___.> Vim is so dead the amount of new stuff in nvim is insane and loads of developers so it's really worthwhile getting ti
19:32:51FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @Amun-Ra "saint.___.: debian testing": I'm pretty sure something newer is there
19:33:31FromDiscord<saint.___.> Oh it's in unstable
19:33:56FromDiscord<saint.___.> I'd go for unstable it's fine
19:34:49FromDiscord<saint.___.> Oh apparently it's really not a good idea to do that
19:36:23Amun-RaI'll add unstable to sources.list with lower priority
19:38:52FromDiscord<pmunch> In reply to @saint.___. "Vim is so dead": You say that but I contributed to Vim this year and was surprised by their dev cycle
19:39:16FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @pmunch "You say that but": Well this year might be different cause of Bram passing away and now someone else is running it right
19:39:31FromDiscord<saint.___.> Also whoever is running it now says they want to converge more with neovim on stuff
19:39:40FromDiscord<saint.___.> I think cause vim was dead
19:39:54FromDiscord<saint.___.> Almost no one makes plugins for vim alone
19:40:01FromDiscord<pmunch> Hmm, I think this was before he died. But it was someone else running it anyways
19:40:01FromDiscord<saint.___.> Well you can't even write a vim only plugin
19:40:07FromDiscord<saint.___.> Cause any vim plugin can be used by nvim
19:40:13FromDiscord<saint.___.> But there are lots of lua (nvim only) plugins
19:40:33FromDiscord<saint.___.> There was all this wasted effort and stuff about making vim9script
19:40:42FromDiscord<saint.___.> Which seems unlikely that anyone is really going to use
19:40:43FromDiscord<pmunch> But my patch is probably not in Neovim 😦
19:40:53FromDiscord<pmunch> And it's extremely niche..
19:41:01FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @pmunch "But my patch is": You could probably submit it to neovim! What's the patch about?
19:41:37FromDiscord<saint.___.> The community around nvim is insane now, I've been using vim for a long time and it was never this cool or active
19:42:30FromDiscord<pmunch> https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/13537
19:44:01FromDiscord<saint.___.> In reply to @pmunch "https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/13537": Pretty cool! I'll see if there's something equivalent in nvim
19:45:12FromDiscord<saint.___.> @pmunch https://neovim.io/doc/user/syntax.html
19:45:16FromDiscord<saint.___.> I think it might be built in
19:45:56FromDiscord<saint.___.> Idk how to link to it but if you search for altfont
19:46:09FromDiscord<saint.___.> https://neovim.io/doc/user/syntax.html#altfont
19:46:24FromDiscord<saint.___.> > https://neovim.io/doc/user/syntax.html#altfont
19:46:32FromDiscord<saint.___.> > Syntax highlighting enables Vim to show parts of the text in another font or↵> color.
19:50:48FromDiscord<pmunch> Probably just for GUI people
19:51:01FromDiscord<pmunch> Vim had support for that as well
19:58:05FromDiscord<saint.___.> Oh true
19:58:34FromDiscord<saint.___.> Yeah I am sure nvim would accept that patch
19:59:09FromDiscord<saint.___.> I dunno what their strategy is for like newer changes to vim, I believe they do try and include things commited to regular vim too
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20:25:30FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @PMunch "No, I mean suspicious": i migrated my regular vim config over to neovim and everything worked out of the box (apart from some nvim defaults that were different in vim)
20:26:02FromDiscord<nnsee> these days I've replaced almost every single vimscript conf with lua
20:26:05FromDiscord<nnsee> couldn't go back
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20:51:44FromDiscord<marioboi3112> ay guys
20:51:51FromDiscord<marioboi3112> why should i learn nim?
20:51:58FromDiscord<marioboi3112> what things should i avoid using nim for?
20:52:08FromDiscord<marioboi3112> in what things is nim the best?
20:52:43FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @marioboi3112 "what things should i": https://livebook.manning.com/book/nim-in-action/chapter-1/
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21:07:04FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @bosinski2023 "https://livebook.manning.com/book/nim-in-action/cha": thanks
21:07:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That's the only answer
21:07:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Malware
21:07:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do not use Nim for malware
21:07:45FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Do not use Nim": why is that
21:08:04FromDiscord<pmunch> In reply to @marioboi3112 "ay guys": It's a pretty cool language. Fast, flexible, able to go really low and really high on the abstraction scale. Nim shines in almost any area, can't really think of anything I wouldn't use it for.
21:08:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause writing malware is for numpties
21:08:15FromDiscord<pmunch> Oh yeah, don't write malware..
21:08:42FromDiscord<pmunch> People keep using it for malware and it messes with AV software
21:08:42FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @pmunch "It's a pretty cool": sounds very promising
21:08:52FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @pmunch "People keep using it": oh yeahhhhh,
21:08:58FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Cause writing malware is": real
21:11:05FromDiscord<marioboi3112> what are the things that nim beats over haxe in?
21:11:12FromDiscord<marioboi3112> if anyone has had experience with haxe
21:12:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim has more control
21:13:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim is more portable afaik
21:13:36FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nim is more portable": mhm
21:13:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I don't know how portable the Haxe C/C++ is though
21:15:12FromDiscord<marioboi3112> im really interested in game dev, and haxe has way more support for game dev than nim, is that sth to be concerned about?
21:15:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean you can do game dev in either
21:15:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim just has fewer prebuilt tools
21:16:10FromDiscord<marioboi3112> sent a long message, see https://pasty.ee/bgYOHUUKIHtO
21:16:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean I'm making games using Nim, I just had to author my own bindings for assimp, and miniaudio!
21:17:59FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I mean I'm making": interesting, so nim should be good for game dev as well? considering all those factors?
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21:18:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well you might have to wrap your own libraries, but yes
21:18:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Raylib can be used from Nim for instance
21:18:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim is a system language so if you can do it in C/C++ you can do it here, it just might require wrapping stuff yourself
21:19:20FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Well you might have": 👍🏼
21:19:29FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Nim is a system": very coool
21:19:44FromDiscord<marioboi3112> quite new to nim and experimenting with different langs, to pick one and just go with
21:19:49FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @marioboi3112 "interesting, so nim should": hi obi3112, you're looking exclusively for a game-dev language or 'maybe i'll do a game to get into a new language ?'
21:21:25FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @bosinski2023 "hi obi3112, you're looking": hello bosinski! 👋🏼 nah not really, i wouldve gone for C# or some other mainstream language for game dev, but the thing is that i want a general purporse i want sth that you can work with in most areas of coding, and i wanted to make sure if nim was one of those
21:21:28FromDiscord<marioboi3112> which perhaps it is
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21:22:45FromDiscord<bosinski2023> In reply to @marioboi3112 "which perhaps it is": nim is a versatile GPS -> general-problem-solver - you're welcome..
21:23:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim is a system language that also has a JS backend
21:23:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It can be used pretty much everywhere from a esp32 to webdev
21:23:32FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @bosinski2023 "nim is a versatile": noice
21:23:52FromDiscord<marioboi3112> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It can be used": well i have got my answer now then!
21:24:05FromDiscord<marioboi3112> thanks for the chat
21:24:12FromDiscord<marioboi3112> everyone
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23:41:01FromDiscord<grumblygibson> Was looking for float16 support in Nim to store large and operate on large datasets.↵Saw this in a github comment, and wondered if anyone knows about `bf16` support in nim? I couldn't find anything.↵> (2019) mratsim: Float16 is dying, we will have brain float16 (bf16) next year with CPU support anyway ;).
23:41:11FromDiscord<grumblygibson> (edit) "large" => ""
23:58:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim does not have it but some brave soul could import it in a nice library