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00:14:18FromDiscord<citycide> when nimble fails on windows with `Error: unhandled exception: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process.` - what file is it talking about exactly?
00:14:32FromDiscord<citycide> that's after `nimble install` btw
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01:55:39FromGitter<Varriount> Sounds like nimble is unable to open one of the files it's just written
01:55:54FromGitter<Varriount> Another process has opened the file in locked mode
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03:18:53FromDiscord<citycide> @Varriount yes I understand the message but which file?
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03:45:22FromDiscord<citycide> it'd be helpful if those error messages included the name of the file is all
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04:18:56FromGitter<kayabaNerve> @citycide Try writing each of the files one by one to find out
04:19:03FromGitter<kayabaNerve> Or just clear the directory and try again
04:19:11FromGitter<kayabaNerve> Or search for an old lockfile
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04:41:03Electruxlol the macros part of this language will take a while to understand... read through it... didn't understand half of it :P but now i understand at least some of the second part of the tutorial yaay :D
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05:14:56Electruxhuh... plotly doesn't seem to run for me... i build the code of their first example, it builds correctly, but nothing on my browser... it does not even open my browser
05:15:53Electruxand outputs an empty sequence ( @[] ) on my console
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06:57:42FromGitter<alehander42> what is the most confsing thing about macros? have you used another macro system before?
06:58:47FromGitter<alehander42> if you haven't they can be a really strange concept, but think of them as functions on compile time, which take part of your code as argument and replace it by another code
06:59:32FromGitter<alehander42> if you have, probably you used lisp? i guess templates are closer to nim macros
07:00:18FromGitter<alehander42> but they can't express everything, so you need to half-manually build the AST of the new code sometimes and you use directly `macro`
07:00:42FromGitter<alehander42> (but usually you can still build the subblocks of your macro with quote: + placeholders)
07:02:44FromGitter<alehander42> (it's interesting for me to see what is the hardest part for a new user)
07:39:16Araqfyi I only have occasional wifi here
07:41:22Araqbut I'm alive and brought you this lovely thing: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/araq-big-refactoring/tests/compilerapi/tcompilerapi.nim
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08:13:20Yardanicointeresting - https://github.com/snowlt23/Flori (programming language compiler implemented in nim)
08:15:32FromGitter<alehander42> @Araq awesome, so the compiler depends fully on conf not globals now? does it gets us closer to symbol files ?
08:15:49Araqyup
08:17:53Yardanico@PMunch hi, I have a little suggestion for binaryparse - is there a way to add something like "loop"? E.g.: I have a file which consists of a lot of entries, each of them has 4 int32 fields, but there's no thing like "size" in the file. Of course I can easily read this file with streams module, but maybe it would be good for binaryparse to have that functionality.
08:19:34YardanicoHmm, maybe it would be better if I make this an issue
08:20:15Electruxdoes nim have an auto completion engine for vim?
08:50:13FromGitter<data-man> So, Unicode RFC: #7902 ⏎ The thoughts, ideas, opinions, comments, corrections, criticism, likes ~~and dislikes~~ *highly* appreciated.
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09:28:59FromGitter<krux02> @data-man what is the difference between code point and rune?
09:31:25FromGitter<data-man> Rune isn't good name, IMHO.
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09:39:01FromGitter<Vindaar> @Electrux regarding plotly: if you see @[] on your console that (I assume) means plotly doesn't find a suitable browser on your system to open
09:39:40Electruxoh... crap lol ok so how do i get it to recognize my brwoser? it is safari
09:47:52FromGitter<krux02> @data-man well yea Rune isn't great for a name, but it is already established. I don't concider Nim powerful enough to make an impact here. And inventing a new name for something really should have a good reason.
09:49:12FromGitter<krux02> and that table is very hard to read
09:49:46FromGitter<krux02> it doesn't find in the github page I have to scroll horizontally. and to do that I first have to scoll all the way down scroll right and then back up again.
09:50:09FromGitter<krux02> I know it's a github fault, but you might put your table somewhere else
09:50:27FromGitter<Vindaar> @Electrux I don't have a Mac, so I'm not entirely sure. Currently plotly only looks for the following browser (see in plotly/src/plotly/browser.nim): ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d2263a7abc8692ef18992]
09:50:39FromGitter<Vindaar> you could go ahead and try to add "safari" to that seq
09:52:37FromGitter<data-man> @krux02: So shows github. :( If I convert a table into a picture, would it be better?
09:53:50FromGitter<data-man> Maybe ```uchar``` instead of CodePoint.
09:54:49Electruxi installed plotly from nimble... where can i find its src?
09:55:48FromGitter<Vindaar> oh, then it should be here: ⏎ ⏎ ```~/.nimble/pkgs/plotly-0.1.0/plotly``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d23a452e35117cded30d6]
09:59:32FromGitter<alehander42> @Electrux I left some very basic hints about macros up there, sorry that I forgot to tag ya
10:02:34Electruxthanks Vindaar, and thanks alehander42 :D
10:03:39FromGitter<GULPF> @krux02 Can you post the code that reached the register limit in the VM? I think it's really hard to reach the register limit unless you have like several hundreds local variables or something, so it might be a bug
10:05:42FromGitter<Vindaar> @Electrux does it work now? If so it'd be a good idea to create a PR for plotly :)
10:09:03Electruxi haven't tried right now... gotta go for now, will try after i come back :) Vindaar
10:09:24FromGitter<Vindaar> Ah ok, no worries!
10:11:33Electruxbtw, safari doesn't really have a command to open it except "open -a safari"
10:11:54Electruxor "/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari"
10:13:27FromGitter<krux02> @GULPF well it might be that I have several hundreds of local variables
10:14:09FromGitter<krux02> That is just how I write the code, everything inline
10:14:31FromGitter<krux02> and macros generating more local variables, because I use quite a compex ast pattern matching tree
10:15:44FromGitter<GULPF> then that's probably the issue. the vm isn't very smart about data flow, so it needs
10:15:55FromGitter<GULPF> so it needs one register for every local
10:17:07FromGitter<Vindaar> oh, I see. Then one probably needs to do something along the lines of. Maybe also check for `defined(MacOSX)` ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d28a2e26c847ac89d15e6]
10:18:56FromGitter<GULPF> the vm could be improved to use live variable analysis to reduce the number of registers needed, but it might be hard to incorporate into vmgen
10:19:11FromGitter<krux02> @GULPF this is the line that I added to create the compilation failure: https://github.com/krux02/opengl-sandbox/blob/master/experiment/glslTranslate.nim#L263
10:37:57FromGitter<Varriount> @data-man Why do the other languages use trie as the data structure for Unicode?
10:41:55FromGitter<data-man> @Varriount: Fast and compact.
10:46:10FromGitter<data-man> It's multi-stage tables in fact.
10:58:21FromGitter<data-man> Oh, I forgot about the ICU library for C ++. :) It also uses Trie.
11:19:28Electruxif i modify a package of nimble, how do i update that package? for myself
11:23:26FromGitter<zetashift> What do you mean? If you modified it and saved it, it should be fine
11:24:03FromGitter<zetashift> you could try `nimble build` maybe
11:25:27Electruxyes ur right... it automatically handles that and when i use nim to compile, the modified file is compiled again
11:25:33ElectruxVindaar are u there?
11:25:59FromGitter<Vindaar> yeah, still here
11:26:03Electruxthanks zetashift :)
11:26:14FromGitter<Vindaar> will be gone for ~half an hour in a couple minutes though
11:26:16ElectruxVindaar, i got how to make the safari work :D
11:26:20FromGitter<zetashift> That's all you electrux :D
11:26:23FromGitter<Vindaar> nice!
11:26:43Electruxso... where am i supposed to post a PR about it?
11:27:11Electruxbrentp/plotly?
11:27:17Electruxbrentp/nim-plotly?
11:27:18FromGitter<Vindaar> yup
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11:28:22Electruxok thanks :D
11:33:12Electruxbtw, it is not able to make the /tmp/x.html file i guess since there exists no file with that name after the program runs
11:33:16ElectruxVindaar
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12:09:40FromGitter<Vindaar> @Electrux I'm not sure what you mean. plotly creates that file as a temporary file, which contains the calls to plotly incl. the data. After it runs it's deleted.
12:10:00Electruxso why is it trying to open that file on my browser? :O
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12:11:29FromGitter<Vindaar> so plotly creates that file -> opens your browser with that file -> then deletes the file
12:12:06FromGitter<Vindaar> what exactly did you change to get the correct call to safari?
12:17:06Electruxjust added "open" in the sequence
12:17:23Electruxand why does it open my browser with that file? my browser complains that there is no file of that name lol
12:20:44FromGitter<krux02> Electrux when I understand open correctly, open checks for a command that is associated with a file type
12:21:00FromGitter<krux02> and when a file type is configured to be opened in the browser, the browser will ope
12:21:35Electruxyes
12:21:47Electruxbut that is not just for files
12:21:51Electruxit also applies to URLs
12:23:12FromGitter<Vindaar> so basically the call plotly is doing on your machine is "open /tmp/x.html" if I'm not mistaken
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12:23:49FromGitter<Vindaar> and this does indeed open safari with a tab in which it tries to access /tmp/x.html, but that says file not found?
12:24:04FromGitter<Vindaar> because normally the file is deleted only after it was read by the browser
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12:26:23Electruxyea... it opens safari correctly with a tab but then i find file not found
12:26:52Electruxi guess the program is closing too quickly? because as far as i know, calling open is not synchronous
12:28:49FromGitter<Vindaar> maybe opens returns immediately? so that the line `var (outp, errC) = execCmdEx(b & " " & path)`finishes and then in plotly.nim ⏎ ⏎ ``` browser.open(path) ⏎ removeFile(path)``` ⏎ ⏎ the first line is finished before safari actually has the time to open that file [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d47814eaffb692d64801a]
12:29:52FromGitter<Vindaar> maybe try to add an `import os` statement at the top of plotly.nim and then put a `sleep(1)` in between these two lines
12:30:03FromGitter<Vindaar> *sleep(1000)
12:30:53FromGitter<Vindaar> nvm `import os`, already imported :P
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12:46:27Electruxyes, as far as i know, "open" returns immediately
12:47:01FromGitter<Vindaar> then that's probably the issue
12:48:11Electruxyea... lemme try something
12:53:07Electruxyep, commenting out the delete file function makes the site show correctly
12:53:26Electruxso yea... "open" does not block... Vindaar
12:54:03FromGitter<Vindaar> yup. But try with a sleep in between the two lines, maybe that's enough. No need to keep the file around
13:01:04Electruxwon't that depend on the computer's speed? my system is fast enough, but if someone's isn't they will encounter the problem
13:01:30Electruxso it would be kind of a gamble... Vindaar
13:02:43dom96why remove that file so quickly after opening in safari?
13:04:20FromDiscord<citycide> why doesn't plotly just use https://nim-lang.org/docs/browsers.html#openDefaultBrowser,string
13:04:33Yardanicowho knows :D
13:17:58Electruxmaybe because it is also non blocking call and they need it to be blocking in order to prevent file from being deleted before browser opens?
13:20:53FromGitter<krux02> hmm I have a bug
13:21:16FromGitter<krux02> when I try to do printf debugging but it seems to be total foobar
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13:22:41FromGitter<krux02> this code here: ``` echo "body:" ⏎ ⏎ `````` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d5421361a950a66245394]
13:23:37FromGitter<krux02> produces the following output: http://ix.io/1bIH
13:23:42FromGitter<krux02> total BS
13:27:31FromGitter<zetashift> C# has this nameof function which can give you a simple name of a function/method. Is there an equivalant in Nim?
13:27:55FromGitter<zetashift> Is it name() in the typetraits module?
13:28:06FromGitter<brentp> just seeing the discussion re plotly. I didn't know about `browsers` module until recently. I guess nim-plotly should use that instead. is the removeFile causing problems for some folks?
13:28:33FromGitter<brentp> ... gotta change the path to a random file too.
13:28:54FromGitter<zetashift> I haven't checked nim-plotly out yet, but it looked really interesting, if you need any testing on a windows machine just drop it on me @brentp
13:30:25FromGitter<brentp> @zetashift that would be great. looks like windows support would be a good reason to use the browsers module from stdlib.
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13:42:04FromGitter<krux02> @zetashift nim has macros, you can not only get the name, but the entire implementation of the names and types of of all nodes in the tree of the implementation
13:43:54FromGitter<zetashift> With great power comes great responsibility
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13:46:07FromGitter<zetashift> I just need to the name for now, google says foo().procname or a newCall() macro
13:46:25FromGitter<7sDream> can nimbot eval multiline program?
13:46:28FromGitter<krux02> newCall is kind of the opposite of what you want
13:46:39FromGitter<krux02> @7sDream no
13:46:42FromGitter<zetashift> both didn't work as procname didn't work and newCall gave a nimnode
13:46:43FromGitter<7sDream> !eval ⏎ echo "1" ⏎ echo "2"
13:46:43NimBotCompile failed: <no output>
13:46:47FromGitter<7sDream> OK
13:46:56dom96use https://play.nim-lang.org
13:47:17FromGitter<7sDream> just want to give an simple example with macro
13:47:20FromGitter<krux02> dom96: do you know a bit how the nimvm works?
13:47:37FromGitter<krux02> maybe you can help me to work around a bug/limitation of it that I was not aware of
13:47:53dom96probably less than you :)
13:48:15FromGitter<krux02> well maybe
13:48:21FromGitter<krux02> maybe you will be my rubber duck
13:48:42FromGitter<krux02> well the problem is that I use a lot of local variables
13:48:59FromGitter<krux02> I think most are generated by my own macro for ast pattern matching
13:49:40FromGitter<krux02> this results in nim generating too many local variables and boom, nim compilation crashes with non-informative error message
13:49:42FromGitter<alehander42> I think you can replace some of those local vars by local templates and template invocations, but that might be incredibly wrong
13:49:56FromGitter<krux02> but at least I know now that the problem is not to use too many variables
13:50:21FromGitter<alehander42> at least that was one of my ideas in my fork (but for different reason: to let one easily modify a matched value)
13:50:30FromGitter<alehander42> without overhead
13:50:39FromGitter<krux02> but I would like to know if I put things into a function, if I can then use a new set of local variables,
13:51:26FromGitter<krux02> well the overhead of creating a local variables should not be big at all
13:52:02FromGitter<krux02> and I think it is correct
13:52:13FromGitter<krux02> because I have to take a child node and then do checks on it.
13:52:29FromGitter<7sDream> @zetashift https://glot.io/snippets/f1hmmznif1
13:52:31FromGitter<7sDream> try this
13:52:47FromGitter<alehander42> the overhead was for stuff like assigning a sequence to a local variable
13:53:00FromGitter<zetashift> thanks! I'll try it out
13:55:00FromGitter<zetashift> Didn't work, seems I have an other problem :(
13:55:43FromGitter<7sDream> Maybe you need to describe your needs in detail?
13:56:52FromGitter<zetashift> I'm gonna try and work this out a bit more since it might not be Nim related. Still thanks @7sDream :D
13:59:06FromGitter<7sDream> 👌
13:59:46skrylarmratsim: you have to pull tensors back from openCL to run the activation functions? gross :x
14:01:21FromGitter<zetashift> whoop fixed it, I needed to add a certain pragma
14:02:53FromGitter<mratsim> @skrylar, lack of time, idem for Cuda ;)
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14:05:43skrylari actually have no idea how to write custom opencl kernels
14:10:05FromGitter<mratsim> 37 lines, here you go: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/master/src/tensor/private/p_kernels_interface_opencl.nim#L42-L79
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14:13:39skrylari'll keep the tab open, thanks.
14:14:03skrylartrying to replicate VoiceLoop. if i get it working will definitely want to shove the relus and friends on to the GPU
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14:16:33Gnjurachi
14:23:04skrylarhiyo
14:30:19Gnjuracwanted to ask something but figured it out :)
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14:37:31Gnjurachaw to make tuple seq
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14:37:45skrylarseq[tuple[winning]]?
14:38:12YardanicoGnjurac seq[tuple(string, string)] will create a sequence of tuples with two strings
14:38:18Gnjuracoh i was trying var showsFolder : tuple[kind: PathComponent, path: string]
14:38:21Yardanico*it wouldn't create, it's a type
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15:14:38skrylarhrm. i seem to be confused as to how this embedding matrix can be updated when it is used to create a longer tensor
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15:17:40Electruxwhy can i not use paramStr( 0 )? shouldn't the 0th index contain program name?
15:18:39FromGitter<Vindaar> yep, it should. what doesn't work for you?
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15:19:55Electruxoh it is given in documentation to use from 1..paramCount()
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15:20:19FromGitter<7sDream> you need https://nim-lang.org/docs/os.html#getAppFilename
15:20:19Electruxand that other indices would give error
15:21:59Electruxoh... nevermind... turns out that index 0 does give program name... so what is the need of getAppFilename() then?
15:22:11Electruxboth give exactly same result
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15:22:34leorizenot all os have program name at index 0
15:23:05FromGitter<Vindaar> yep, also mentioned here: https://nim-lang.org/docs/os.html#paramStr,int
15:24:47FromGitter<7sDream> and `getAppFilename` gives you a `string`, `paramStr` gives a system spec string or some other name(when in a spec compile mode)
15:25:28Electruxwow really? i did not know that leorize... could u please give me an example? it's fascinating :)
15:25:49FromGitter<7sDream> see https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#taint-mode
15:25:59Electrux:O
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15:27:22Electruxwhat does input validation mean? i don't get the taint mode ( string example ) i apologize :(
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15:29:30FromGitter<7sDream> He just helps the compiler(and you can) realize that this string comes from an untrusted environment, and that you do some processing before you use it (eg, format validation, escape)
15:29:56FromGitter<7sDream> Just my opinion
15:30:35Electruxoooh
15:30:44Electruxso i should use tainted string when taking input?
15:32:26Electruxand is there a code completion engine of nim for vim?
15:32:35Electruxlike YouCompleteMe for C++
15:33:08FromGitter<zetashift> the nim-mode should take care of that no?
15:33:13leorizezah/nim.vim have the function, although last time I check it uses the long gone nim idetools
15:33:22FromGitter<7sDream> I personally just a newcomer, still learning Nim, so I have not actually used this mode
15:33:24leorizezetashift: nim-mode is emacs-only
15:33:30FromGitter<zetashift> whoops
15:34:06FromGitter<zetashift> I had emacs in my mind since I saw that they just released a new version
15:34:40leorizeElectrux: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2050961/is-argv0-name-of-executable-an-accepted-standard-or-just-a-common-conventi
15:34:49FromGitter<7sDream> VSCode extension works well for me
15:35:13Electruxbut i don't use VSCode... i use Vim ( neovim to be precise )
15:35:19FromGitter<7sDream> except for parameter hint :/
15:35:25leorizeit's a bit (*cough* electron) heavy though
15:35:55FromGitter<7sDream> Aha, I agree
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15:37:36Electruxand thanks for that link leorize :) i never knew that... guess i should read me the C standard book or something haha
15:37:38Electrux:P
15:38:04FromGitter<zetashift> @Electrux did you try this one? https://github.com/baabelfish/nvim-nim it mentions code completion
15:38:07leorizeneovim completion plugin https://github.com/baabelfish/nvim-nim
15:38:37leorizeit's abandoned though, last time I check the highlighting wasn't working that great
15:41:02Electruxwow it is SOOOOO laggy :O
15:41:42Electruxand it screws up the indentation...
15:41:55Electruxoh well... will keep using zah/nim for now <3
15:42:58Electruxthanks leorize :)
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15:45:43Yardanicoleorize VSCode is still much better than atom
15:46:01FromGitter<7sDream> +++++1
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15:46:11leorizestill, that doesn't excuse it from the RAM eating habit of electron
15:46:24Yardanicoleorize there are no alternatives for Nim development
15:46:39leorizeor you can write your own plugin for vim
15:46:45Yardanico(I mean real alternatives with full autocompletion support)
15:46:51leorizeI did, never finish it though, but good enough for me
15:46:57YardanicoI don't use any console editors except nano for quick editing :)
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15:51:13Electruxwait... u wrote a plugin for vim? leorize can i have it too?
15:52:48leorizeno, sorry, it's currently a mess over here :( I planned to tidy it up and properly integrate neovim's new socket support but haven't got anytime to do so
15:54:48Electruxlol oh well... ok guess i should attempt to understand how vim plugins and completion integrations work too :P
15:55:52leorizehttp://learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/
15:56:19leorizethat book helped me a lot when I was writing the plugin
15:56:32leorizehopefully you would find it useful :)
15:58:00FromGitter<krux02> Yardanico: I will try VSCode again as soon as it supports keyboard layouts
15:58:22FromGitter<krux02> because currently VSCode is broken if you don't use US qwerty
15:58:35Yardanicohow it's broken? you mean keyboard shortcuts?
15:58:48FromGitter<krux02> yes, I can't use keyboard shortcuts
15:59:07YardanicoI have two layouts - russian and US qwerty, just switched to russian and they still work for me
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15:59:44FromGitter<krux02> well they have some magic in the background that fucks up keboard layout support
16:00:05FromGitter<krux02> for example I can't bind the undo key to undo my edits
16:00:10FromGitter<krux02> but that is not essential
16:00:29FromGitter<krux02> the problem is "they keyboard shortcut is not possible in your keyboard layout configuration"
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16:00:59FromGitter<krux02> ctrl+ü is traslated to be ctrl+z and ctrl+z is also ctrl+z
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16:01:04FromGitter<krux02> yay two ways of doing the same
16:01:09FromGitter<krux02> and other things I can't do at all
16:01:43FromGitter<krux02> I wonder when application programmers learn to not mess with the keyboard
16:02:03FromGitter<krux02> just take the keys as they come in, and not try to magically resolve "what you meant"
16:02:07FromGitter<krux02> it always breaks
16:02:42FromGitter<krux02> btw I have "de neo" as my layout, a but unconventional, but not so much where I live.
16:05:34Electruxoooh thanks leorize :D
16:07:26FromGitter<zetashift> @Electrux you could take a look at spacemacs+nim it uses the emacs plugin but has vim keybindings
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16:08:31leorizethere's a plugin for vscode as well to use neovim as it's backend, which sounds cool
16:08:39Electruxoh... wait... nim has a spacemacs layer?
16:08:42leorizebut afaik it's still unfinised
16:08:52Electruxthat's awesome because i use spacemacs too yaay :D
16:09:00leorizenim-mode is an emacs plugin after all :P
16:09:00Yardanico@PMunch - if you're around - https://github.com/PMunch/binaryparse/issues/2
16:09:32Electruxwell... still... i'd like to try this vim thingy too :P
16:09:57Electruxcool! i'll see how well it works on emacs :D
16:10:12Electruxbtw are u all contributors? it feels like u guys are
16:10:25Yardanicoa lot of us are :)
16:10:45Electruxor pro nimsters
16:10:49Electruxcoool :D
16:11:09Electruxi hope to learn the language enough and contribute someday too :)
16:22:25FromGitter<ephja> does every other site make the content fit on small browser windows by determining if the user is using a phone for example rather than only taking the width into account? -.-
16:22:27FromGitter<zetashift> I'm a hobby programmer instead of the usual python java learning route I took elixir nim and scala, which...isn't effective but fun!
16:23:03FromGitter<zetashift> @ephja I think they use that @media query
16:23:38leorizeephja: there's no reliable way aside from @media query
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16:28:52FromGitter<ephja> a lot of sites still don't, apparently. yeah, this particular one uses tables. well, disabling page style to the rescue
16:30:29FromGitter<ephja> that and only highlighting comments in code makes for a nice change actually
16:32:50FromGitter<ephja> the biggest problem might be the occasional full-width svg image :p
16:33:13Yardanico@ephja some websites have a completely separate mobile version
16:33:13Electruxumm where is the documentation for sdl library?
16:33:28YardanicoElectrux use https://github.com/Vladar4/sdl2_nim :)
16:33:46Electruxwhy? the official one is not good? :O
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16:34:13Yardanicowell, there's a FAQ in sdl2_nim readme
16:34:22leorizefor the official one, just refer to sdl own docs
16:35:00YardanicoElectrux sdl2_nim is more nim-like
16:35:21Electruxoh... ok
16:35:23leorizethe official is even more nim-like :P
16:35:55Electruxleonize, u mean that the official sdl uses same function names and parameters as the actual sdl library?
16:36:11Yardanicoleorize not really :)
16:36:13leorizegot overloads for destroy() so that you can just go destroy() every object possible :)
16:36:28YardanicoElectrux just try both
16:36:44Yardanicoand see which is easier to use/better-looking for you
16:36:49leorizeElectrux: yes, just remember that destroy() is usable for everything :), and we don't have the SDL_ prefix
16:37:07leorizeand yes, try both :)
16:37:13Electruxah... ok... thanks both of u :)
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16:45:32FromGitter<Varriount> Electrux: It's essentially a reminder in the form of forcing you to do an object conversion.
16:45:56Electruxit?
16:46:14FromGitter<Varriount> Sorry, I responded to an earlier question of yours
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16:54:08FromGitter<7sDream> I'm a little confused about `shadowCopy a b` and `a = b` when `a` `b` are `string` or `seq`, are they are same?
16:55:09FromGitter<7sDream> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#shallowCopy,T,T ⏎ doc says they are different……but, any example?
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17:02:47FromGitter<Varriount> @7sDream Strings and Sequences are "value" types - they are copied on assignment.
17:03:32FromGitter<Varriount> If I do `var a = @[1, 2, 3] ; var b = a`, the following occurs:
17:04:16FromGitter<Varriount> A new sequence is created and assigned to `a`.
17:04:21FromGitter<Varriount> `a` has the values `1`, `2`, and `3` added.
17:04:47FromGitter<Varriount> A new sequence is created and assigned to `b`.
17:05:00FromGitter<Varriount> The contents of `a` are copied into `b`.
17:05:16FromGitter<7sDream> yes, `a = b` copy value in a to b... how about `shallowCopy`?
17:05:32FromGitter<7sDream> > use this instead of = for a shallow copy. The shallow copy only changes the semantics for sequences and strings (and types which contain those). Be careful with the changed semantics though! There is a reason why the default assignment does a deep copy of sequences and strings.
17:05:37FromGitter<Varriount> `shallowCopy` doesn't create a new sequence. Instead, both variables share the same underlying sequence.
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17:07:28FromGitter<7sDream> !eval var a = @[1]; var b: seq[int]; shallowCopy(b, a); a.add(1); echo a; echo b
17:07:29FromGitter<ephja> I'll have to test it again because it didn't seem to work before
17:07:30NimBot@[1, 1]↵@[1]
17:07:45FromGitter<7sDream> var a = @[1]; var b: seq[int]; b = a; a.add(1); echo a; echo b
17:08:08FromGitter<7sDream> !eval var a = @[1]; var b: seq[int]; shallowCopy(b, a); a.add(1); echo a; echo b
17:08:10NimBot@[1, 1]↵@[1]
17:08:35FromGitter<7sDream> !eval var a = @[1]; var b: seq[int]; b = a; a.add(1); echo a; echo b
17:08:38NimBot@[1, 1]↵@[1]
17:08:54FromGitter<ephja> I might have tried it when I tried to implement seq range views without introducing additional indirection
17:11:51FromGitter<7sDream> !eval echo NimVersion
17:11:53NimBot0.18.0
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17:14:50FromGitter<7sDream> I notice a issue #644
17:15:14FromGitter<7sDream> It still open for now
17:18:24FromGitter<ephja> that must have been the issue
17:20:53FromGitter<7sDream> but, It was opened in 2013...we've been waiting too long 😶
17:25:30FromGitter<mratsim> oh, strange, shallowCopy and shallow pragma works for normal seq, I wonder why it’s ignored for strings
17:26:48FromGitter<7sDream> > works for normal seq ⏎ any example?
17:28:37FromGitter<krux02> why has nim so many bugs?
17:28:55FromGitter<tim-st> That's something I wondered too :\
17:29:39FromGitter<ephja> lack of resources
17:30:18FromGitter<krux02> I just faced a bug where I generate a type in a macro, and in the second invocation of that marco another type is generated but for some onknown reason the C code generator generates just uses the first type again, meaning it generates C code with the wrong types
17:30:24FromGitter<krux02> and that then fails to compile
17:30:46FromGitter<tim-st> Btw regarding incremental compilation: wouldnt it be easier to build a full interpreter similar to INim but quicker start of interpretion; or in the very worst case: build a single dll for every lib?
17:30:47FromGitter<7sDream> I really like Nim, But lack for programming knowledge about compiler
17:37:31FromGitter<mratsim> @7sDream here you go: https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer/blob/master/src/tensor/data_structure.nim#L21
17:37:56FromGitter<mratsim> in the past Arraymancer was also littered with shallowCopy before I decided to make it shallow by default
17:40:58FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim How do you deal with the fact that you can't modify shallow sequences?
17:41:13FromGitter<mratsim> What do you mean I can’t?
17:42:02FromGitter<Varriount> Sorry, you can't use 'add' on shallow sequences.
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17:42:48FromGitter<mratsim> Really? I didn’t know. This is not needed for tensors anyway.
17:43:41FromGitter<data-man> List of issues: 1.. 50 out of *6655* (pages) ⏎ 50*6655 == 332750 ⏎ Oldest: № 6686 - 95 months ago ⏎ ID with maximal № 1778410 - 52 months ago ⏎ Easy issues: 15450 ... [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=5b0d914c93dc78791c9569c4]
17:43:49FromGitter<data-man> It's Python :)
17:44:53FromGitter<mratsim> @Varriount I checked, I have no add for tensors/shallow seq
17:44:58FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim "The shallow copy only changes the semantics for sequences and strings (and types which contain those). Be careful with the changed semantics though! There is a reason why the default assignment does a deep copy of sequences and strings"
17:45:11FromGitter<mratsim> in anycase `add` is incompatible with OpenMP.
17:45:43FromGitter<Varriount> If I have 2 variables, `a` and `b`, and both share the same sequence, what happens when I perform `a.add(...)`?
17:46:13FromGitter<Varriount> The underlying sequence may need to be resized.
17:46:58FromGitter<mratsim> I don’t have this issue in Arraymancer, I always know the start and the final size.
17:47:32FromGitter<mratsim> I always preallocate and then assign values potentially in parallel
17:47:44FromGitter<Varriount> Yeah, just wanted to point out that behavior.
17:48:09FromGitter<mratsim> and yeah OpenMP fails with add if there is a reallocation
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17:48:18FromGitter<mratsim> error is super cryptic as well
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18:01:45Gnjurachow to get location or nim.exe or whatewer i call it
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18:02:06Gnjuraci need app location
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18:04:24YardanicoGnjurac your app or compiler?
18:04:44YardanicoGnjurac if your app - please stop trolling and start searching in docs before you ask some questions :)
18:05:07Gnjuracmy app just want to put db next to it , i am allready searching docs i think i am blind
18:05:17Gnjuraci searched direcotry and os module
18:05:17Yardanicoit's getAppDir() from os
18:05:29Yardanico"Returns the directory of the application's executable. "
18:05:35Yardanico!eval echo getAppDir()
18:05:35Gnjuracomg i think i am blind
18:05:36NimBotCompile failed: in.nim(1, 6) Error: undeclared identifier: 'getAppDir'
18:05:43Yardanico!eval import os; echo getAppDir()
18:05:46NimBot/usercode
18:05:46Gnjuraci like 2 times passed os from top down
18:06:23Gnjuracyep i am blind 200%
18:06:29Yardanicowell, it's fine :)
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18:06:56FromGitter<krux02> ok wrote my bug report
18:06:57FromGitter<krux02> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/7905
18:07:00FromGitter<krux02> if you care
18:10:03FromGitter<krux02> Gnjurac: when nim is on the path and you are on a unix terminal "which nim" should give you the path to the executable, but I am not sure if that is what you want
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18:11:01FromGitter<krux02> yea sorry I didn't read the conversation to the end it is already solved
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18:19:22Gnjuraccan nim documentation be downlaoded as pdf ?
18:22:02Gnjuracfoud it :)
18:22:16YardanicoGnjurac you can use devdocs
18:22:22Yardanico(it can be used offline)
18:23:17Gnjuracty will try that do , this online thing just added their logo to evry page
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19:45:42Gnjurachow to catch sql exeption https://hastebin.com/urunububex.http
19:45:57Gnjuraci duno how to get error msg
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19:49:28YardanicoGnjurac it's in the docs :(
19:49:36YardanicoGnjurac getCurrentExceptionMsg() in "except" block
19:50:36Gnjurachttps://nim-lang.org/docs/db_sqlite.html dident found it here
19:50:47Gnjuracbut sorry
19:50:50Gnjuraci try :)
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19:54:50YardanicoGnjurac why did you search for it on db_sqlite? :)
19:55:11YardanicoException handling in Nim is built into the language, so you should search in the index or in system module :)
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19:56:29Gnjuracnext time i will :)
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20:24:26dom96Nowadays you can do: except DbError as exc: echo(exc.msg)
20:24:55Gnjuracnice
20:25:28Yardanicodom96 can you do except Exception as ex: ?
20:25:41dom96yes
20:26:20Yardanicoamazing
20:27:15Gnjuracye ex: sounds better :)
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20:29:20Gnjuracanyway i go sleep good night :)
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20:50:11FromDiscord<emekoi> is there a way to write the contents of one stream into another?
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20:55:01FromDiscord<emekoi> nvm i found a way
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