<< 29-05-2022 >>
00:05:28FromDiscord<retkid> @treeform you are like my productivity idol
00:05:34FromDiscord<retkid> give me productivity tips
00:05:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cocaine, lots and lots of cocaine
00:06:12FromDiscord<retkid> will cocaine cure my chronic depression
00:06:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No only mental health care will
00:06:36FromDiscord<retkid> 😭
00:07:30FromDiscord<!Patitotective> are the supported `--cpu` options listed somewhere? are they these https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Consts-defined-by-the-compiler#cpu-architectures ?
00:07:44FromDiscord<!Patitotective> or just `i386` and `x86_64`
00:07:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's those
00:08:13FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "It's those": :]
00:08:21FromDiscord<retkid> what if i wanna compile for 16 bit x86
00:08:32FromDiscord<Zectbumo> In reply to @Elegantbeef "You cannot change the": Lol, I have high confidence that there is no useful "functioning" code using readLines iterator that would constitute keeping readLines how it is
00:08:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i'd personally say `readLines` is not very useful
00:09:06FromDiscord<retkid> what if i wanna compile for a 8086
00:09:40FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @retkid "what if i wanna": cocaine
00:09:49FromDiscord<Zectbumo> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Well i'd personally say": It looks like someone stubbed out the code to support whatever "functioning" code and walked away
00:09:51FromDiscord<retkid> how is cocaine gonna let me do that
00:10:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Dont look at me↵(@Zectbumo)
00:10:34FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @retkid "how is cocaine gonna": its gonna stop you from doing it
00:11:21FromDiscord<Zectbumo> 😁
00:11:27FromDiscord<retkid> is cocaine the answer for all problems non-mental health related
00:11:33FromDiscord<retkid> "how do i make n-dimensional array"
00:11:35FromDiscord<retkid> "cocaine"
00:12:47FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @retkid "will cocaine cure my": Start out by eating and sleeping well. I love cooking my own food. It's important to sleep on fixed times. Meditation also helps.
00:13:03FromDiscord<retkid> sleep schedule is ruined
00:13:04FromDiscord<retkid> need to fix
00:13:11FromDiscord<retkid> i take so much time to cook my meals but its worth it
00:13:47FromDiscord<!Patitotective> do not eat, you waste time
00:14:20FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Also do you know": I don't know about this, will explode.
00:14:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Jeez you're going to explode, sorry
00:15:41FromDiscord<treeform> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I did find it": I think this works great in 3d, but for 2d ui, might not look as good.
00:16:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea I guess I come at it primarly from 3D post processing 😄
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00:45:36FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> anyone hear can explain me about parseopt lib ?, i read the documentation but i don't understood how this works, this is not like the flags from go or the argparse from python....
00:46:15FromDiscord<Alea> Oh, new app dev channel?
00:46:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It allows you to iterate over the commandline arguments and operate on them
00:46:46FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> yeah, i'm building one tool for web dir enum, but i need one argparse
00:47:00FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> and i don't understood how parseopt lib works
00:48:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/c-blake/cligen you could checkout cligen
00:50:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/L2S
00:51:55FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> hummmm
00:52:12FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> i take a look that, thanks
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01:08:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Alea "Oh, new app dev": yea :]
01:16:09FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> ok using this mode i have very much work, because i need give very much attention on CLI interface, so sorry the question but don't have some lib like argparse from python or flags from go ?
01:17:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nimble.directory/search?query=argparse
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01:23:09FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> thanks man
01:23:49FromDiscord<!Patitotective> beef is not a man, hes a beef
01:25:36FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> sorry, thanks beef
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01:30:55FromDiscord<huantian> huh
01:30:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> New name server?
01:30:55FromDiscord<huantian> yeah just trying it out to see what it's like lol
01:33:27FromDiscord<huantian> I cannot remember how to make my name be different color
01:42:04FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YRk
01:42:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You also need to use a 32bit c compiler
01:44:23FromDiscord<!Patitotective> how? do i download a new gcc version?
01:44:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "new gcc" => "another gcc/clang"
01:44:34FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No you download a 32bit c compiler
01:44:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The default gcc is not 32bit
01:49:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "beef, im trying to": what's your distro?
01:49:41FromDiscord<!Patitotective> ubuntu 22.04 :]
01:50:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> passing -m32 should just work provided ubuntu 22.04 has multilib repos and you enabled them
01:50:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> it works on arch for example
01:50:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> `nim c --cpu:i386 --passC:"-m32" --passL:"-m32" -r program.nim`
01:50:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It does have multilib repos they're lacking them probably
01:51:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> thanks yard↵it worked :]
01:57:17FromDiscord<!Patitotective> for windows will i need to download mingw32?
01:57:55FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "mingw32?" => "mingw32 or something?"
01:58:22FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "for windows will i": to cross-compile, yes
01:58:32FromDiscord<!Patitotective> crosscompile cpu, only
01:58:47FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "only" => "only↵not from linux"
01:58:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> your C compiler on windows might already have 32-bit support
01:58:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> mingw-w64 usually has it
01:59:16FromDiscord<!Patitotective> soo, just `--cpu:i386`?
01:59:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "`nim c --cpu:i386 --passC:"-m32"": same command as this
01:59:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> because otherwise the C compiler won't know that you want to compile for 32-bit
01:59:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> --cpu:i386 only tells that to Nim, not to the C compiler
02:00:05FromDiscord<!Patitotective> oh ok, thanks :]]
02:02:34FromDiscord<!Patitotective> btw dont you guys think https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html#exec%2Cstring should accept `varargs[typed, $]` and join them with spaces? its much more convenient↵just like nake https://fowlmouth.github.io/nake/gh_docs/master/nakelib.html#shell
02:03:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can just use strformat nowadays, so I don't think it's a big deal
02:04:06FromDiscord<Yardanico> strformat didn't exist back when nake was used, there was only third-party strfmt
02:04:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> "Made with Nim. Generated: 2015-05-02 20:55:36 UTC" heh :)
02:05:35FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico ""Made with Nim. Generated:": lol
02:13:57FromDiscord<!Patitotective> it would be cool to create a github action that generates docs for your nim library for each version and made an `index.html` just like https://fowlmouth.github.io/nake↵but it seems the one nake used does not exist anymore https://github.com/gradha/gh_nimrod_doc_pages
02:14:09FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "it would be cool to create a github action that generates docs for your nim library for each version and made an `index.html` just like https://fowlmouth.github.io/nake↵but it seems ... the" added "like"
02:27:41FromDiscord<retkid> as someone who used a 32 bit operating system
02:27:49FromDiscord<retkid> i think we shouldn't support 32bit anymore
02:28:32FromDiscord<retkid> 32 bit should be limited to lazy asm demonstrations
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02:35:13FromDiscord<!Patitotective> oh @Yardanico i forgot that im actually compiling to cpp hehe↵how would it be then?
02:35:17FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @retkid "i think we shouldn't": :[
02:35:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "oh <@177365113899057152> i forgot": what be?
02:35:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> there's no difference
02:36:04FromDiscord<retkid> In reply to @Patitotective ":[": 32 bits you can only read 2 gb files
02:36:07FromDiscord<retkid> At that point
02:36:20FromDiscord<retkid> What practical purpose
02:37:24FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "there's no difference": 🤨 with `nim cpp --passC:"-m32" --passL:"-m32" src/niprefs` i get the initial error
02:37:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> 🤦‍♂️ `--cpu:i386` where?
02:38:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> with your command you're telling Nim to compile with default (so 64-bit most of the time) but tell the C compiler to compile to 32-bit
02:39:31FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YRr
02:39:38FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YRr" => "https://paste.rs/hHm"
02:39:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> might be a VM bug or a bug in your code
02:39:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> why are you running a `cast` at compile-time ?
02:40:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> if you want to convert an int to a float (like 5.3 to 5), you do `int(myfloat)`
02:40:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> not `cast[int](myfloat)`
02:40:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980299594095276042/unknown.png
02:40:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> why
02:40:50FromDiscord<!Patitotective> 🤨 noob patito
02:40:57FromDiscord<!Patitotective> that code is old
02:40:59FromDiscord<!Patitotective> hehe
02:41:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> just do `float(lex.parseHexInt())` and similar
02:41:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah, this code is for floats, yeah I get what you want to do
02:42:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> as a workaround for the VM try to do `cast[float](int64 lex.parseBinInt)`
02:42:50FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "just do `float(lex.parseHexInt())` and": actually this does owrk
02:42:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> no, that won't work correctly
02:42:56FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "owrk" => "work"
02:43:14FromDiscord<!Patitotective> 🤨
02:43:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> you want to actually parse the binary/octal/hexadecimal representation of a float into a float
02:43:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> i just thought you did something different so offered the conversion thing
02:43:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "you want to actually": with this you have to cast, yes, because Nim doesn't have parseHexFloat and alternatives
02:43:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> the cause of the error seems to come from the fact that if you're compiling in 32-bit Nim's `int` is 32-bit but Nim's `float` is 64-bit so it can't cast at compile time
02:43:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "as a workaround for": this should probably work
02:43:59FromDiscord<Yardanico> and will actually be correct
02:44:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> more correct even if it were to be executed at runtime
02:44:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> but there's an inherent problem with these procs
02:44:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> on 32-bit they're limited to 32-bit values
02:44:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> so if you make a config file with niprefs that has a big int, it won't get parsed by 32-bit niprefs
02:45:06FromDiscord<!Patitotective> im pretty sure once you said you were gonna go through niprefs code to fix it hehe
02:45:37FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "so if you make": 🤔
02:45:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes
02:46:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> since you use `int` in niprefs it's limited to parsing configs that have 32-bit ints only, anything more won't work
02:46:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> so maybe you should either clarify that in the spec/manual/whatever or make it always use 64-bit ints
02:46:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "since you use `int`": when compiled for 32-bit that is
02:47:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> And for parsing 64-bit ints from binary/hex/octal there are corresponding generic procs in parseutils
02:47:22FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "so maybe you should": same for floats?
02:47:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> no, for floats you still have to cast to have correct behaviour
02:47:59FromDiscord<!Patitotective> i mean, should i use `float64`?
02:48:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> float == float64 in Nim
02:48:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> so `float` is always 64-bit in NIm
02:48:34FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Patitotective "i mean, should i": You should make 32 bit users suffer mwahhahaha
02:48:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, it's actually defined to be the biggest float value type, so when CPUs support 128 floats natively `float` might start to equate to `float128`
02:49:01FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @huantian "You should make 32": bad huan
02:52:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YRs
02:53:40FromDiscord<!Patitotective> oh ok, thanks yard :]
02:53:57FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah yeah, forgot to add one more check
02:54:07FromDiscord<!Patitotective> hard work https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980302990936252436/niprefs.mp4
02:54:18FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "hard work ... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980302990936252436/niprefs.mp4" added "(joke)"
02:54:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> check compilation with 32-bit cpu, with 64-bit it'll complete successfully since on 64-bit `int` == `int64`
02:54:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "ah yeah, forgot to": `parseBin` is really meant for more general parsing, so it won't error if the string has something after the number stuff
02:55:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> so a more proper check would be `if parseBin[uint64](binFloatStr, tempIntVal, 0) == binFloatStr.len:`
02:55:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> to check that there are no leftover characters left in the number string
03:01:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "so a more proper": and if use `maxLen`?
03:01:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> ?
03:01:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> parseBin returns the number of characters it parsed for the resulting number that is stored in `tempIntVal`
03:02:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> if the number is too big parseBin will just return 0
03:02:20FromDiscord<!Patitotective> ooooh ok
03:02:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah actually, it won't, hm
03:03:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> so you really have to use both maxLen and the return value
03:03:49FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "so a more proper": uint?
03:04:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> doesn't really matter, you can use both int64/uint64 here
03:04:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> you cast them anyway
03:04:58FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "so a more proper": would it better for this _check_, to be an assert, raise an exception...? 🤔
03:05:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> i don't know, it depends on how your niprefs generally works
03:05:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> it certainly should be mandatory
03:07:19FromDiscord<!Patitotective> parseBin doesnt parse negative numbers, does it?
03:07:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> that's not how it works
03:07:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> "negative" is a part of the number's binary representation
03:08:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> !eval echo -0b011
03:08:36NimBot-3
03:08:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes, but this is Nim and it treats `-` as an unary operator
03:08:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> not as a part of the number
03:09:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YRu
03:09:46FromDiscord<!Patitotective> hmm, niprefs is kind of like nim, isnt it?
03:09:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's a config format, no?
03:09:59FromDiscord<Yardanico> I don't think it really makes sense to allow `-` for binary/hex/octal in a config format
03:10:06FromDiscord<!Patitotective> but a nim-like one
03:10:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> If people want a negative value, they just put it into the value itself, not make a positive value and then append - in front of it
03:10:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea i mean it doesnt make anysense
03:10:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "but a nim-like one": but no one in Nim uses `-` for that, because if you're using a binary literal you want to show it as-is
03:10:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> is a `-someNegativebin` positive or negative?
03:10:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> otherwise you would've just used decimal
03:12:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> niprefs is more of a preferences format soo most of the times youll most of times dont write it manually (and when you do decimal is easier)
03:12:47FromDiscord<!Patitotective> soo its more like i should remove binary/hex/oct support Lol
03:13:06FromDiscord<Yardanico> they can be useful in configs, but just don't add `-` to them
03:13:09FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "most of times" => ""
03:13:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's a config language, not a programming language
03:14:38FromDiscord<!Patitotective> does parseFloat allow negative numbers?
03:14:46FromDiscord<!Patitotective> it should, right?
03:14:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes, of course
03:23:48FromDiscord<!Patitotective> it looks like tomorrows patito is gonna fix that
03:23:50FromDiscord<!Patitotective> 🌃
03:24:03FromDiscord<!Patitotective> goodnight everybody
03:43:55FromDiscord<aph> good night
03:44:34FromDiscord<aph> anyways, i'm new to pointers, not sure what they do, anyways im trying to do something like `"some random string"[index]` (`index` changes), maybe this can make use pointers? but i don't know how because i dont know what are pointers or how to use it
03:45:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> if you want it for learning, then fine
03:45:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can easily get a pointer to a string by taking a pointer to its first element, since sequences/strings hold data continuously
03:45:46FromDiscord<Yardanico> that is, the second element is placed right after the first one in the memory, so you can just increment the pointer by 1 to access the next element
03:46:10FromDiscord<aph> ooh
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05:02:18FromDiscord<elvis.x.zhou> this simple typo crash the compiler: cast(char)(42)
05:03:54FromDiscord<elvis.x.zhou> is it a known issue or is supposed to be filed as a new one?
05:14:18FromDiscord<huantian> What do you mean by crashing the compiler?
05:14:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It causes a deg fault
05:14:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> seg fault\
05:14:42FromDiscord<huantian> Ah that’s fun
05:14:53FromDiscord<Rika> So it doesn’t crash the compiler
05:14:53FromDiscord<huantian> Actually idk why I thought it meant anything else
05:15:18FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @huantian "Actually idk why I": Because it can mean something else
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07:20:03FromDiscord<ynfle> Is it possible to import other nimscript files when using nimscript?
07:20:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> May need to be `.nim` files but it can have submodules
07:25:09FromDiscord<ynfle> Can .nim be called as nimscript?
07:25:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I think so now
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07:31:29FromDiscord<ynfle> No way
07:31:37FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Perhaps
07:31:45FromDiscord<ynfle> What kind of error is Error: 'tuple' expected
07:31:48FromDiscord<ynfle> (edit) "Error:" => "`Error:" | "expected" => "expected`"
07:31:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Attempting to unpacking a tuple?
07:32:26FromDiscord<ynfle> Ya
07:32:59FromDiscord<ynfle> Nvm
07:33:03FromDiscord<ynfle> Mistype on my part
07:53:03NimEventerNew post on r/nim by mavavilj: Where can I read about the technical choices made in Nim as opposed to what its influences are?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/v06d14/where_can_i_read_about_the_technical_choices_made/
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11:16:08FromDiscord<Forest> Is there a way to print the compiler version?
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11:24:45FromDiscord<Rika> In code?
11:25:16FromDiscord<Rika> https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#NimVersion
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11:37:33FromDiscord<Turgut> Hey, I'm new to exploring Nim and I'm trying to use parseExpr as follows:
11:37:41FromDiscord<Turgut> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/DOx
11:37:55FromDiscord<Turgut> I just want to parse an expression using parseExpr and then print it
11:38:00FromDiscord<Turgut> what am I doing wrong here?
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12:07:30FromDiscord<aph> maybe it needs to run inside a macro
12:07:37FromDiscord<aph> im not sure with these stuff though
12:07:59FromDiscord<Forest> In reply to @Rika "In code?": Yeah
12:08:04FromDiscord<Forest> In reply to @Rika "https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#NimVersion": Thanks!
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12:17:32FromDiscord<ynfle> @Turgut What are you trying to do? Read code from a string? Usually it's done in a macro
12:18:30FromDiscord<Turgut> I'm just exploring Nim, i want to use parseExpr to show an AST. But I think it can only be used in a macro :/
12:18:56FromDiscord<Rika> No
12:18:57FromDiscord<ynfle> If you want to explore the ast, use `macros.dumpTree`
12:19:03FromDiscord<Rika> Just echo with treeRepr
12:19:08FromDiscord<Rika> Or repr
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12:40:54FromDiscord<aph> how to slice per character instead of per byte, im getting some weird characters when slicing chinese characters
12:41:03FromDiscord<aph> thx
12:41:35NimEventerNew thread by Mardiyah: How is default argument before code line one?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9182
12:45:23NimEventerNew question by Shoaib Mirzaei: realign controls inside a layout in NiGui, see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72423748/realign-controls-inside-a-layout-in-nigui
12:46:38FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @aph "how to slice per": You needs to use the unicode module. Maybe something like https://nim-lang.org/docs/unicode.html#runeSubStr%2Cstring%2Cint%2Cint?
12:46:42FromDiscord<ynfle> (edit) "https://nim-lang.org/docs/unicode.html#runeSubStr%2Cstring%2Cint%2Cint?" => "https://nim-lang.org/docs/unicode.html#runeSubStr%2Cstring%2Cint%2Cint ?"
12:46:54FromDiscord<aph> thanks
12:47:01FromDiscord<aph> ill look into it :)
12:47:29FromDiscord<ynfle> Nim strings aren't utf8, they are just 8 bit characters
12:47:59FromDiscord<aph> ah
12:54:44FromDiscord<⃟⃟> that works on code points not characters
12:55:54FromDiscord<aph> hmm
12:57:02FromDiscord<⃟⃟> that should be fine for 99% of cases tho
13:00:55FromDiscord<aph> hopefully, if i found a bug ima use another method then
13:01:04FromDiscord<aph> thanks to all
13:04:04FromDiscord<Rika> Some characters are comprised of more than one code point
13:23:01FromDiscord<Turgut> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YSV
13:23:26FromDiscord<Turgut> I want to write this as a macro, how could I do that?
13:28:49FromDiscord<ynfle> Which part do you want to write as a macro, and why do you need a macro (or just for funsies?
13:34:04FromDiscord<Turgut> @ynfle so i don't want template, but macro
13:34:11FromDiscord<Turgut> just for funsies
13:34:39FromDiscord<ynfle> Unpack varargs is a macro, I believe
13:34:52FromDiscord<Turgut> yes, it is
13:40:05FromDiscord<ynfle> So look at how it's implemented
13:40:10FromDiscord<ynfle> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-6/lib/core/macros.nim#L1627
13:43:37FromDiscord<Turgut> @ynfle thanks very much 🙂
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14:25:59FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "check compilation with 32-bit": how would i do that? duplicate the tests module 😕
14:26:07FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "😕" => "🤨"
14:26:15FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "module" => "module?"
14:27:40FromDiscord<!Patitotective> actually this worked `nimble --cpu:i386 --passC:"-m32" --passL:"-m32" test` :]
14:43:29FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/B8X
14:43:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> You don't have 32bit libgl
14:43:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> Install 32bit version of graphics drivers
14:50:52FromDiscord<!Patitotective> thanks :]
15:21:20FromDiscord<d4rckh> why does fgDefault make my foreground black?
15:21:31FromDiscord<d4rckh> (edit) "why does ... fgDefault" added "std/terminal's"
15:28:07FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> guys, I am writing a client and server using net lib, and the following happens, when I program the server recv to receive 1024 bytes, and the client sends only 4 bytes, the data is only displayed when the program ends, on the contrary if I set only 4 bytes in receive which is the exact value, it receives and displays normally and the program continues, how do I correct this ?, to set 1024 bytes, receive 4 and display the 4 bytes i
15:32:06FromDiscord<Turgut> is there a way to make macros not hygenic in Nim?
15:32:27FromDiscord<Turgut> this does not work, any way to make it work?
15:32:28FromDiscord<Turgut> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YTo
15:38:50FromDiscord<Rika> Give it the dirty pragma
15:59:56FromDiscord<d4rckh> i cant get the length of a ref sequence? 🤔
16:00:26FromDiscord<Psych0p4th.nim> In reply to @Psych0p4th.nim "guys, I am writing": i discover the problem, have one option in func newSocket called buffered is just set false in this option....
16:01:20NimEventerNew thread by Noxnivi: Adding Nim to System default base, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9183
16:01:47FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @d4rckh "i cant get the": theThing[].len
16:02:12FromDiscord<d4rckh> amazing, now i got to add `[]` everywhere in my code lol
16:02:25FromDiscord<d4rckh> i made my sequence a ref because i wanted to kind of sync another sequence to it
16:02:38FromDiscord<d4rckh> so as soon as i add something to a sequence, it would add to my other sequence the same thing
16:03:00FromDiscord<d4rckh> and enable and disable that relationship at runtime
16:04:40FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> need someone explaining the differences between `object of` and `ref object of`
16:04:56FromDiscord<d4rckh> ref just creates a reference
16:05:22FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> why use `ref` then
16:05:36FromDiscord<huantian> Because you want it to have reference semantics
16:05:36FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> ref object of `antoherRefObj`
16:13:22NimEventerNew thread by Noxnivi: GUI: Nim + QML unable to compile, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9184
16:21:05FromDiscord<Mike> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/97n
16:21:10FromDiscord<Mike> ... should this work?
16:21:39FromDiscord<Mike> Do I not understand nilability?
16:25:50FromDiscord<ynfle> In reply to @Turgut "is there a way": https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YTA
16:27:24FromDiscord<Rika> a not nil tp is not a tp
16:27:32FromDiscord<Rika> putting it behind an if statement will not change the type
16:27:39FromDiscord<Rika> nim does not have flow typing
16:27:47FromDiscord<Rika> you must cast it into a not nil tp
16:28:01FromDiscord<ynfle> Even with the experimental flag?
16:30:09FromDiscord<Mike> Damn, that kinda sucks for the nilability thing. I get it though↵(@Rika)
16:30:16FromDiscord<huantian> Huh that seems like it would work though, using the object constructor should make a not nil
16:34:02FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @ynfle "Even with the experimental": the flag does nothing about flow typing?
16:34:25FromDiscord<Rika> wait
16:35:20FromDiscord<Rika> i checked the experimental manual, it should apparently work
16:36:15FromDiscord<Rika> oh you got the type def wrong
16:36:30FromDiscord<Rika> `tp not nil`
16:36:46FromDiscord<Rika> @Turgut
16:38:27FromDiscord<Mike> Oh, hey. There we go
16:38:33FromDiscord<Mike> Awesome
16:40:41FromDiscord<Mike> And I guess I don't need the nil check because the compiler knows it's not nil after the assignment
16:42:25FromDiscord<Mike> Ah that's so nice. Feels better than swift's optional system already
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16:50:13FromDiscord<huantian> Still not perfect though unfortunately
16:50:27FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Patitotective "i want to be": i got it working using a `FLAGS` env variable hehe
16:50:36FromDiscord<huantian> Probably the biggest issue being that neither Option nor not nil is used very much in stdlib
16:51:38FromDiscord<Mike> Browsing the roadmap it sounds like it might be maturing a bit in nim 2.0?
16:51:57FromDiscord<huantian> Fingers crossed
16:52:10FromDiscord<huantian> I think it is planned tho
16:52:56FromDiscord<Mike> Sure hope so. I've been using Swift so much it's kinda hard for me to think without it
17:49:55FromDiscord<Phil> ... TFW your webapplication's binary is larger than all of an alpine container
17:56:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Isofruit "... TFW your webapplication's": too many generic instantiated procs :)
17:56:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> but generally try LTO and `strip -s` if you want to reduce binary size
17:57:34FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "too many generic instantiated": Why would you wound me so, generics are my friends!
17:58:11FromDiscord<Phil> Nah, it's fine, just found it amusing
17:58:25FromDiscord<Phil> One of these days I'll even understand how to actually execute said binary inside of my alpine image
18:00:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Isofruit "One of these days": if you want to execute it in alpine image, you must either statically compile it, or dynamically link with musl
18:02:21FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "if you want to": Assume I have no idea what I'm doing. Is the sanest way for me to approach this so I can gain a little experience before I go the harder route to just take an ubuntu nginx as base for my own?
18:02:46FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Is" => "↵Is"
18:02:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> I mean statically linking is quite easy, especially with cross-compilers like zig cc
18:03:29FromDiscord<Phil> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YTX
18:03:52FromDiscord<Phil> Which I think does dynamic linking?
18:04:45FromDiscord<Phil> Overall the binary is just an application server that I want to hide behind a rev proxy ala nginx
18:08:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> usestd, opt:speed are redundant
18:09:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> or actually maybe not, idk if prologue uses its fork of httpbeast otherwise
18:09:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> but opt:speed is redundant, yes
18:09:06FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "I mean statically linking": Going over https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6905 and what I find there, given that I only use nim packages and libs I'm not sure linking statically makes a difference?
18:09:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Isofruit "Which I think does": that depends on your system's C compiler
18:09:23FromDiscord<Yardanico> by default C compilers dynamically link against the system C library on most OSes
18:09:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Isofruit "Going over https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/6905 and": it does, Nim uses stuff from the libc
18:09:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> the main C runtime library
18:09:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> typical distros like Ubuntu/Debian etc use glibc, while Alpine uses musl, and glibc isn't ABI compatible with musl
18:10:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> so you either statically link the static lib into your binary, or dynamically link against musl
18:10:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> in almost all cases you just statically link against musl, then the binary will work on almost all linux distros
18:12:17FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "typical distros like Ubuntu/Debian": First, thanks a ton, I had absolutely no idea
18:12:39FromDiscord<Phil> Given that my compiler is gcc on arch I'd assume it dynamically links them then.↵Is that what the `--dynlibOverride:SYMBOL` flag is for? I download musl on my local system and then somehow can do `--dynlibOverride:musl`?
18:13:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> no, dynlibOverride is only for the `dynlib` pragma
18:13:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> to statically link against the libc you provide options directly to the C compiler only
18:13:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> also, have you seen https://hub.docker.com/r/frolvlad/alpine-glibc/ ?
18:14:13FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "also, have you seen": I didn't think that far ahead yet given that I only just learned there are differences there↵I'll check if there's an alpine-nginx-glibc image
18:15:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can just use that container and install nginx into it
18:15:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> alpine has nginx in repos
18:15:28FromDiscord<Phil> I wonder why nginx has so many different alpine perl images
18:17:13FromDiscord<Yardanico> also why not just use a docker image like nginx debian
18:17:25FromDiscord<!Patitotective> yard, im pretty confused about which libgl ubuntu package should i install for compiling i386, not sure if you know↵https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libgl1-mesa-dev↵https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libgl1
18:17:37FromDiscord<d4rckh> is there any way i can clean the screen using std/terminal?
18:17:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "yard, im pretty confused": what GPU drivers are you using?
18:18:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @d4rckh "is there any way": https://nim-lang.org/docs/terminal.html#eraseScreen%2CFile
18:18:09FromDiscord<d4rckh> ah
18:18:10FromDiscord<d4rckh> oops
18:18:11FromDiscord<d4rckh> thanks
18:19:35FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Yardanico "also why not just": I wanted to originally just have small thing because my server only has like a gig of RAM and if the entire image lives in memory I don't necessarily want it to be huge
18:19:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> why do you want it to be in memory? :P
18:19:59FromDiscord<Phil> (That is filled with me assuming things because I barely understand or have used docker)
18:20:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> it really doesn't matter if your image itself is in memory or not, since binaries will generally just be read into RAM on start
18:20:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> what matters is where your DB is
18:20:34FromDiscord<Phil> My db is an sqlite file, its size is trivial pretty much
18:20:40FromDiscord<Phil> Wait
18:20:40FromDiscord<Phil> No
18:20:41FromDiscord<Phil> Kill me
18:20:45FromDiscord<Phil> It'll be outside the docker file
18:20:46FromDiscord<d4rckh> In reply to @Yardanico "https://nim-lang.org/docs/terminal.html#eraseScreen": hmm, that does not seem to my cursor at the top
18:20:47FromDiscord<Phil> Noooooooo
18:20:50FromDiscord<d4rckh> (edit) "In reply to @Yardanico "https://nim-lang.org/docs/terminal.html#eraseScreen": hmm, that does not seem to ... my" added "move"
18:21:04Amun-Rammap it
18:21:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Isofruit "My db is an": but then it really doesn't matter if your thing is in RAM or not
18:21:30FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "what GPU drivers are": h-how do i see that? hehe↵also installing libgl1-mesa-dev works on my ubuntu 22.04 machine↵but this is meant to be run on github actions ubuntu 18.04
18:21:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> it will work there probably as well
18:22:16FromDiscord<!Patitotective> https://github.com/Patitotective/ImTemplate/runs/6644673763?check_suite_focus=true#step:5:11
18:22:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> but generally I don't see much use in providing 32-bit builds of your binaries for Linux if they'll be dynamically linked
18:23:12FromDiscord<!Patitotective> then let me remove it
18:24:48FromDiscord<Phil> Yeah I'll shift all those issues to sometime next week, really don't feel like dealing with them right now
18:25:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> you mean to tomorrow
18:25:09FromDiscord<Phil> Possibly tomorrow if I can find time
18:25:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> tomorrow is next week :P
18:25:44FromDiscord<Phil> ~~By the time I'm fucking done with this I can literally triple fill as frontend dev, backend dev and effing devops as things are going~~
18:27:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> you have to deploy 15 microservices to be a devops
18:28:09FromDiscord<Phil> I mean... I assume you mean from scratch and without tooling because through our jenkins tooling I've easily surpassed that already in terms of deploying to our staging environments 😛
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20:31:23FromDiscord<luteva> Hi! I thought that -d:release would be the default now, but i see: ↵Hint: gc: refc; opt: none (DEBUG BUILD, `-d:release` generates faster code)↵so -d:relase it is not set, right?↵What is the correct way to set compiler options in a nimble prorject?
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20:33:13FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @luteva "Hi! I thought that": i don't see a reason why -d:release would be the default - it disables a lot of stuff useful for debugging and takes longer to compile
20:33:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @luteva "Hi! I thought that": if you want to set some flags to always be there, you can just add them to the nim config
20:34:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> either `yournimfile.nim.cfg` or `yourfile.nims` or `nim.cfg` or `config.nims`
20:34:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> the first two apply only when compiling your file as the main one, and they must be placed in the same folder as the file itself
20:34:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> the latter two apply to all files in all dirs in the folder they're in and below
20:36:33FromDiscord<luteva> thanks!
20:37:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> and remember that .nim.cfg and .nims have different syntaxc
20:37:25FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "syntaxc" => "syntax"
20:37:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> .nim.cfg files are just "dumb" configs where you have some if branches, .nims files are full blown NimScript (the subset of Nim that runs via the Nim VM that's in the compiler) and support most of the stdlib
20:44:13FromDiscord<luteva> thanks again i just want to test something like the strictFuncs etc.
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21:31:15FromDiscord<Ayy Lmao> Are template parameters with no type untyped by default? As in `template foo(a)` vs `template foo(a: untyped)`
21:31:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
21:31:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just annotate them anyway is what i say
21:32:12FromDiscord<Ayy Lmao> That's what I usually do. It's probably better to annotate to avoid surprises when putting another typed parameter afterward.
21:32:58FromDiscord<Ayy Lmao> Also, is there a difference between using `auto` and `untyped` as the return type?
21:34:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nope
21:34:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They both basically mean the same thing
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21:36:21FromDiscord<Ayy Lmao> Awesome, thanks! I'll probably use auto then since it works with procs too. I feel like it is more clear that you are returning something too. I thought untyped as a return parameter basically meant you were returning nim code or something for a while.
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22:56:49FromDiscord<martinium> dealing with an error where compiler is complaining about a proc not being declared....
22:57:07FromDiscord<voidwalker> can i have a proc named reverse and use the reverse proc from algorithm unit, in the same unit ?
22:58:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @voidwalker "can i have a": yes, of course
22:58:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Code?
22:58:12FromDiscord<Andreas> In reply to @martinium "dealing with an error": where in your sourcefile is your proc declared - before you use it or behind
22:58:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> nim supports overloading
22:58:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> but you have to make sure that the number of arguments or their types are different
22:58:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> if the call is ambiguous nim will not compile the code
22:58:50FromDiscord<voidwalker> this worked
22:58:53FromDiscord<voidwalker> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YV5
22:58:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> In the case it's ambiguous you either need `myModule.reverse` or `algorithm.reverse`
22:59:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YV6
22:59:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> 1) there's https://nim-lang.org/docs/algorithm.html#reversed%2CopenArray%5BT%5D that is out of place
22:59:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> 2) generally you can use dup from the sugar module to turn in-place procs to out-of-place
22:59:58FromDiscord<voidwalker> ohh nice
23:00:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah right 1 won't work for string
23:00:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> btw, do you want to reverse an ASCII string or it can possibly contain unicode characters?
23:00:49FromDiscord<voidwalker> just ascii
23:01:06FromDiscord<Yardanico> oh okay, then yeah, just sugar.dup is enough to make it out of place
23:01:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> just asked because for general string reversing there's https://nim-lang.org/docs/unicode.html#reversed%2Cstring
23:03:11FromDiscord<voidwalker> I see, so either that, or 1) but I convert it back to string from seq
23:03:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "ah right 1 won't": ^yeah
23:03:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> but the proc itself is just 3 lines, so you can easily declare your own that works on string
23:04:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3YV9
23:05:00FromDiscord<Yardanico> just copied the impl of https://nim-lang.org/docs/algorithm.html#reversed%2CopenArray%5BT%5D and changed the type to string
23:05:35FromDiscord<voidwalker> well, i know how to reverse a string, the whole point was to use a one liner : P
23:05:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, I just meant that your proc wasn't optimal :P
23:05:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> cmon yard make it a `a: openarray[char]` like a good code reuser
23:06:13FromDiscord<Yardanico> there's reversed for seq already beef
23:06:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/algorithm.html#reversed%2CopenArray%5BT%5D
23:06:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> or do you want a reversed overload that for a seq[char] returns string
23:06:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> but what for 🤔
23:06:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Cause openarray[char] is the optimal usage of `string` in 99% of cases
23:07:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If it's a read only you might aswell use `openarray[char]`
23:11:11FromDiscord<!Patitotective> is there a flag to tell nim to warn for unused procs?
23:11:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It warns by default
23:11:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> it already does that
23:11:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> it doesn't for exported ones, but that's logical
23:11:37FromDiscord<!Patitotective> hm
23:11:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> it's a hint, did you turn off hints?
23:11:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not using an exported proc isnt a warning it's a library 😄
23:12:40FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "it's a hint, did": oh, i think nimline does that by default
23:12:50FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "nimline" => "nimlime"
23:12:53FromDiscord<Yardanico> this is how it looks in vscode https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980609702696198174/unknown.png
23:12:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980609724292661278/unknown.png
23:14:13FromDiscord<!Patitotective> vscode 💀
23:14:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "vscode 💀": sublime isn't much better really
23:14:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Could use Kate
23:14:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> it also uses hundreds of MB of RAM
23:14:45FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "sublime isn't much better": its not an ide neither, i dont get warnings nor errors
23:14:52FromDiscord<huantian> I like M-x butterflies
23:15:09FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Could use Kate": kate crashes my whole computer :)
23:15:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time to use Kate huan
23:15:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Time to update from ubuntu patito
23:15:32FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Patitotective "kate crashes my whole": skill issue
23:15:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I've been using Kate as my main editor for the past few months it's quite nice
23:16:18FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Time to update from": to arch? no thank you Lol
23:16:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
23:16:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm on debian sid
23:16:59FromDiscord<Yardanico> more or less the same :)
23:17:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> As arch?
23:17:23FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes
23:17:31FromDiscord<Yardanico> maybe even more fresh than arch
23:17:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> more in line with fedora rawhide
23:17:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's nice to have recent packages/tools and not have snapd shoved down your throat
23:17:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes
23:18:06FromDiscord<huantian> but pacman is cooler than apt don't @ me
23:18:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> @ you
23:18:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I used ubuntu derived for years but recently got annoyed with the out of date packages and the like
23:18:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I did see this nala(I think that's it's name) package manager which is written in python with libapt and does things better like async downloading
23:19:08FromDiscord<huantian> apt subcommands make too much sense ↵I actually really like pacman more than apt though, I like the flag system
23:19:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Kinda want to use it but dont want to depend on python 😄
23:19:16FromDiscord<huantian> same mood
23:19:49FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Kinda want to use": once i removed python3.8 to install to python3.9 and i broke most of gnome apps and firefox
23:19:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea apt is funny cause it's 2022 and does synchronous downloads
23:20:08FromDiscord<huantian> ever
23:20:09FromDiscord<huantian> this is why you never touch system python↵(@!Patitotective)
23:20:18FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Yea apt is funny": even ImAppImage does asynchronous download
23:20:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea but we all cant use shit software patito
23:21:23FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So who wants to document libapt and give me their knowledge so i can make my own apt API
23:21:47FromDiscord<huantian> I'm good
23:21:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Awww you're going to do it thanks!
23:22:31FromDiscord<Yepoleb> Apt does parallel downloads when you have multiple mirrors
23:22:50FromDiscord<huantian> that's interesting...
23:23:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does this work if you add multiple mirrors of the same location?
23:23:01FromDiscord<Yepoleb> So it definitely supports it, it's just disabled by default
23:23:30FromDiscord<Yepoleb> I never looked that far into it 😄
23:23:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yepoleb "So it definitely supports": smart decisions, just like snap
23:23:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/ilikenwf/apt-fast so this exists
23:24:03FromDiscord<Yepoleb> I just see google chrome downloading at the same time as my regular packages
23:24:41FromDiscord<Yepoleb> (I use it just for testing btw please no judge)
23:24:48FromDiscord<!Patitotective> sus beef https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980612701959098378/unknown.png
23:24:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> why "sus"?
23:24:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What?
23:24:58FromDiscord<!Patitotective> unstable
23:25:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> so?
23:25:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a rolling release
23:25:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You get modern software and libraries
23:25:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> arch is also "unstable", so is fedora rawhide
23:25:14FromDiscord<huantian> I don't understand how people live without rolling release
23:25:19FromDiscord<Yepoleb> It's debians interpretation of unstable
23:25:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Developers should be on rolling
23:25:30FromDiscord<!Patitotective> ubuntu 22.04 LTM lol
23:25:37FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "LTM" => "LTS"
23:25:39FromDiscord<Yardanico> every .04 ubuntu release is an LTS
23:25:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> the even releases
23:25:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> No
23:25:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Isnt it ever 2 0.4s?
23:26:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> 16/18/20/22/...
23:26:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yardanico "the even releases": ^
23:26:22FromDiscord<!Patitotective> i never understand why tech companies have such ugly websites https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980613096840241282/unknown.png
23:26:23FromDiscord<Yardanico> guess matrix is lagging as always
23:26:29FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "i never understand why": how is it ugly?
23:26:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A bit
23:26:48FromDiscord<huantian> It's just not bloated
23:26:51FromDiscord<huantian> 😛
23:26:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "Tech companies"
23:26:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes, we need to add 500MB of JS
23:26:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Debian is now a tech company, they made it!
23:27:03FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "how is it ugly?": the font↵theres no padding, text is almost cropped off the screen
23:27:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> but that's the footer
23:27:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "PRs welcomed"
23:27:31FromDiscord<!Patitotective> and the header https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980613384976343100/unknown.png
23:27:41FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef ""PRs welcomed"": _if i knew about webdev_
23:27:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "and the header": looks totally fine for me
23:27:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> no wasted space
23:28:10FromDiscord<Yepoleb> they need to switch to a react based website
23:28:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But yes patito Debian isnt a tech company it's not ran by a for profit like canonical
23:28:45FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "But yes patito Debian": so what is it
23:28:49FromDiscord<huantian> it's based
23:29:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> > The Debian Project is a worldwide group of volunteers who endeavor to produce an operating system distribution that is composed entirely of free software. The principle product of the project to date is the Debian GNU/Linux software distribution, which includes the Linux operating system kernel, and thousands of prepackaged applications. Various processor types are supported to one extent or another, including 32 and 64 bit x86, ARM
23:29:27FromDiscord<!Patitotective> isnt that the description of gnome? LOL
23:29:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> ???
23:29:48FromDiscord<!Patitotective> replace operating system with desktop enviroment
23:29:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> what
23:29:58*krux02 quit (Remote host closed the connection)
23:30:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Wow non profits are ... non profits
23:30:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Gnome isnt a tech company either
23:30:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's a non profit dedicated to FOSS aswell
23:30:28FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "what": https://www.gnome.org/about-us/
23:30:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "https://www.gnome.org/about-us/": yes, so, where does it say this
23:30:49FromDiscord<!Patitotective> also yard, please add a favicon to your blog
23:31:00FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "yes, so, where does": :[
23:31:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "also yard, please add": i haven't posted anything there so it doesn't matter for now
23:31:22FromDiscord<huantian> favicons are bloat!!!!
23:31:29FromDiscord<huantian> window titles bloatttt
23:31:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Point being Debian sid is a fantastic rolling releease for ex ubuntu users
23:31:47FromDiscord<Yepoleb> btw i use debian sid
23:31:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's not drastically different to what you're used to and installs easy with your choice of DE
23:32:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> but "unstable" word is very scary !!
23:32:22FromDiscord<!Patitotective> yes
23:32:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> ubuntu says "lts" and it surely never breaks
23:32:39FromDiscord<!Patitotective> all the reason yard
23:32:39FromDiscord<huantian> not unless you install xorg
23:32:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What version of kate is the present version on ubuntu
23:32:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "all the reason yard": except that i was being sarcastic 😔
23:33:03FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I know when i tried to use kate it was so out dated it couldnt use NimLsp
23:33:07FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "except that i was": not funny now
23:33:14FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Elegantbeef "What version of kate": 4:21.12.3
23:33:14FromDiscord<Yepoleb> bUT DEbIan nEvER geTS UpdaTES!
23:33:22FromDiscord<Yardanico> 21.12.3 in 22.04
23:33:39FromDiscord<!Patitotective> i have 21.12.1 installed 🤷‍♂️
23:33:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Bit outdated
23:34:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "i have 21.12.1 installed": have you tried updating your system 🤔
23:34:19FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "have you tried updating": yes and now i have 22.04
23:34:37FromDiscord<Yepoleb> i checked apt.conf(5) and there seems to only be a setting between one connection per host and one connection per URI type
23:34:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Patitotective "yes and now i": no, updating the packages in your system
23:34:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> in rolling release distros there's no difference between the two
23:35:22FromDiscord<huantian> which honestly is so nice
23:35:24FromDiscord<huantian> you don't get massive updates
23:35:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes
23:35:39FromDiscord<!Patitotective> btw beef, if sometime you convince me to _update_ to debian sid and my pc breaks↵youll be roasted beef (because im the best reading installation manuals)
23:36:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> @!Patitotective it's a losing battle from the start, most developers use rolling release because it's objectively better to have the newest software to try unless you code in Fortran
23:36:04FromDiscord<huantian> I mean beef installed debian sid like 3 tims
23:36:25FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Yardanico "<@762008715162419261> it's a losing": sometimes i code in fortran
23:36:44FromDiscord<Yepoleb> life hack: find a debian mirror that does not care about the host header and add one CNAME subdomain record per connection to your domain. now you can use as many parallel connections as you want
23:37:03FromDiscord<Yepoleb> (i did not test this)
23:37:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> wow, it's so easy to have parallel downloads in apt and it's totally not a hack :P
23:37:41FromDiscord<Yepoleb> thinking about it, it's probably IP based
23:37:47FromDiscord<!Patitotective> just updated my packages yard
23:37:57FromDiscord<huantian> haters when I edit `/etc/pacman.conf`
23:38:13FromDiscord<huantian> and set `ParallelDownloads = 8`
23:38:49FromDiscord<Yepoleb> and that is when i started writing a bunch of iptables rules to fool apt into thinking i'm connection to multiple hosts
23:39:38FromDiscord<!Patitotective> now kate works beeef https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/980616434554130492/unknown.png
23:40:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> now install nimlsp and be happy
23:40:11FromDiscord<Yepoleb> but do parallel connections even do anything in current year?
23:40:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @Yepoleb "but do parallel connections": is this a joke or a real question
23:40:26FromDiscord<Yepoleb> a real question
23:40:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> with my 500Mbit/sec parallel downloads make updates much faster
23:40:42FromDiscord<huantian> super very much
23:40:47FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Having multiple downloads is only really efficient when you have fast speeds
23:40:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's about splitting your download getting small files faster
23:41:01FromDiscord<Yepoleb> are you connecting to the same host
23:41:04FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes
23:41:08FromDiscord<Yepoleb> 🤔
23:41:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> how would that affect anything
23:41:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> mirrors have like 10Gbit links or even more
23:41:36FromDiscord<Yardanico> it takes time for the download to speed up from slow to max speed, and if the package manager does that for each package it's slow
23:41:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> with multiple downloads it starts (duh) multiple downloads so in the end it is quite faster
23:42:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Much much faster it's one reason people love dnf
23:42:38FromDiscord<Yepoleb> it does not need to ramp up when reusing the same connection though
23:42:45FromDiscord<!Patitotective> beef, kate's color scheme is not updating↵its night and my eyes wont support _Breeze Light_ longer
23:42:49FromDiscord<!Patitotective> (edit) "beef, kate's color scheme is not updating↵its night and my eyes wont support _Breeze Light_ ... longer" added "any"
23:42:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> can you request multiple files in the same connection with HTTP so that it doesn't stop? I don't think you can
23:43:01FromDiscord<huantian> gnome issue↵(@!Patitotective)
23:43:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> you request one file after another
23:43:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The editor uses a different theme to the GUI
23:43:22FromDiscord<Yepoleb> http/2 has been a thing since 2015
23:43:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> i think you're trying to divert the thing we're arguing about
23:43:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> I don't know any mirrors or package managers that support HTTP/2
23:43:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> so we are talking about the current state of things
23:43:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Concurrent downloads make life better there is no debate!
23:44:03FromDiscord<Yardanico> also let's move to #offtopic since there's an ontopic discussion kind of
23:44:07FromDiscord<Yardanico> about kate and nimlsp
23:44:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Patito you set the theme and the GUI didnt change?
23:44:56FromDiscord<Yepoleb> deb.debian.org supports HTTP/2
23:45:33FromDiscord<!Patitotective> In reply to @Elegantbeef "Patito you set the": #offtopic :p
23:45:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> #offtopic
23:45:47FromDiscord<martinium> In reply to @Andreas "where in your sourcefile": Declared before I use it. Had to refactor it from slacklib which needs to change nil checks on strings
23:45:48FromDiscord<Yepoleb> which is the offtopic conversation now?
23:45:59FromDiscord<Yardanico> the one we're having about PMs, let's just move to offtopic
23:46:19FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @martinium "Declared before I use": can you show the exact error?
23:46:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> the one that the compiler shows
23:46:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does Settings \> Editor Color Theme not work for you pat?
23:47:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> beef we're already in offtopic
23:51:13FromDiscord<martinium> In reply to @Yardanico "the one that the": fixed the issue