| 00:06:27 | dtscode | i really hope im doing this right :D |
| 00:07:53 | reactormonk | dtscode, what can happen if you're wrong? |
| 00:08:29 | dtscode | reactormonk, last time i did it wrong, Matrix 3 was made |
| 00:09:00 | Araq | hey Matrix 3 was better than Matrix 2 ... maybe |
| 00:09:26 | dtscode | meh. i dont like either of them |
| 00:11:51 | EXetoC | there's not much to get wrong. they're not raw bsd sockets after all :p |
| 00:12:29 | Araq | dtscode: yeah, I can't blame you |
| 00:12:37 | reactormonk | I've read some of the original story of matrix, which was cut because "too complicted" :-/ |
| 00:13:02 | dtscode | well, we know at least the logic is sound |
| 00:13:08 | dtscode | futurama taught us that |
| 00:13:41 | dtscode | EXetoC, meh... i still might have someone review it just in case |
| 00:14:39 | EXetoC | start with a simple client and server |
| 00:14:53 | flaviu | dtscode: Have afl review it! |
| 00:15:27 | dtscode | EXetoC, it wont help |
| 00:15:31 | flaviu | http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/afl/ |
| 00:15:34 | dtscode | flaviu, whos afl? oh |
| 00:16:15 | def- | flaviu: i have some half-baked code to replicate the display of AFL in Nim btw |
| 00:16:17 | EXetoC | why not? |
| 00:16:52 | dtscode | because writing a simple client server is going to teach me the same as my irc bot. |
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| 00:18:07 | flaviu | dtscode: If you're really lucky, afl might even find a nice kernel bug! |
| 00:18:22 | EXetoC | and then you extend it as you see fit |
| 00:18:57 | EXetoC | but show some code if you want |
| 00:19:30 | dtscode | if im writing it wrong what difference would writing a simple client make? im still getting it wrong |
| 00:20:37 | EXetoC | practice makes perfect |
| 00:21:23 | dtscode | i am praticing |
| 00:21:31 | dtscode | i am practicing** |
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| 00:22:11 | dtscode | this bot is a collection of practicing |
| 00:34:20 | Araq | hi beatmox welcome |
| 00:35:55 | EXetoC | dtscode: there you go :-p |
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| 00:45:35 | beatmox | hello! moin moin! |
| 00:46:28 | BlaXpirit | nite nite |
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| 00:47:26 | Danjcla | So the "Online IRC" link that's on the footer of the we site is links to "#nimlang" which is an invite-only channel. Is here a good place to report that, or should I open a bug or a forum thread? |
| 00:47:36 | Danjcla | s/we/web/g |
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| 00:48:42 | def- | Danjcla: thanks for the report, will make a PR to fix it |
| 00:49:04 | Danjcla | def-: cool thanks; was thinking nim community was all exclusive and shit :-p |
| 00:49:08 | def- | haha |
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| 00:57:54 | reactormonk | Araq, well. Any way to rename "NimrodVM" to "NimVM"? |
| 00:59:05 | reactormonk | ah, found an idea. How can I set a symbol to "defined" in the compiler? |
| 01:01:21 | dtscode | theres a function in system isnt there? |
| 01:01:37 | Araq | reactormonk: compiler/condsyms.nim |
| 01:03:51 | Danjcla | Is http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/363 up to date? (tl;dr: it's not nearly as easy to use c++ libraries from nim vs. chaiscript or some of the lua extentions) |
| 01:04:20 | Araq | no it's not |
| 01:04:32 | reactormonk | Araq, thanks |
| 01:04:47 | Araq | the devel version has quite good c++ support, Danjcla |
| 01:04:55 | reactormonk | Any way to dump all defined symbols? You got some magic somewhere? |
| 01:05:05 | Danjcla | Is it doc'ed somewhere? |
| 01:05:06 | Araq | "nim dump"? |
| 01:05:28 | Araq | Danjcla: for now only in doc/nimc.txt |
| 01:05:39 | Araq | under 'importcpp' pragma |
| 01:05:51 | reactormonk | Araq, does that work for compilation magic such as NimrodVM? |
| 01:06:03 | flaviu | Araq: Can the compiler be updated for TFoo? |
| 01:06:04 | Danjcla | k thanks will take a look... |
| 01:07:16 | Araq | Danjcla: c2nim knows about the new C++ interop features, so it can generate the code for you |
| 01:07:50 | reactormonk | I've ran sed "s/\(nim\)rod/\1/gI" -i **/*.{nim, cfg} and fixed the deprecated in system.nim, now I get lib/system.nim(3050, 2) Error: redefinition of 'TNimNode' |
| 01:07:57 | Danjcla | Araq: Okay, I guess time to play :-) |
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| 01:10:09 | Araq | reactormonk: yes. there is a TNimNode in hti.nim |
| 01:10:40 | reactormonk | Araq, yes, I know. But why doesn't it collide without the changes? |
| 01:11:03 | reactormonk | I suspected it to be the nimrodvm symbol, but when I add |
| 01:11:05 | reactormonk | when defined(NimrodVM): |
| 01:11:07 | reactormonk | defineSymbol("NimVM") |
| 01:11:07 | Araq | reactormonk: because the other is named TNimrodNode then? |
| 01:11:11 | reactormonk | ... it still doesn't compile |
| 01:11:19 | reactormonk | Araq, no, I renamed everything |
| 01:11:46 | Araq | A, B |
| 01:11:58 | Araq | s/A/B |
| 01:12:02 | Araq | B, B |
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| 01:12:17 | reactormonk | hm, let's see |
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| 01:14:53 | Danjcla | Araq: Actually might as well give you the use case to see if you think nim would be a good fit. I'm comfortable with scripting languages, nut C++ not so much. Want to write simple software for a platform where library APIs are only supported via C++. So it would be an app written in nim calling a bunch of C++ APIs, then all compiled by nim to C++ code (because it's not a platform nim compiler can cross-compile |
| 01:14:55 | Danjcla | to) |
| 01:15:10 | Danjcla | s/you/anyone/g |
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| 01:20:17 | Araq | Danjcla: depends on how the C++ API looks like. if it requires you to override every single function via inheritance Nim is still not good at that |
| 01:21:02 | reactormonk | Araq, ah you're right. What's the difference betwen TNimNode and TNimrodNode in the current compiler? |
| 01:21:22 | Araq | they have nothing in common whatsoever |
| 01:21:43 | Araq | TNimNode should be renamed to something else |
| 01:21:55 | Araq | but iirc that's a .compilerproc so good luck with that |
| 01:23:31 | reactormonk | TNimNode {.codegenType, final.} = object |
| 01:23:36 | Araq | hrm 'goto definition' simply works within flaviu's class macro |
| 01:23:49 | Araq | reactormonk: yeah don't mess with that |
| 01:24:05 | reactormonk | Araq, how come? |
| 01:27:21 | Araq | omg |
| 01:27:30 | Araq | it even knows where the 'this' comes from! |
| 01:27:43 | Araq | and its type! |
| 01:32:22 | Danjcla | Araq: Is overriding functions via inheritance the same thing as method overriding? |
| 01:32:34 | Araq | yes |
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| 01:51:23 | Danjcla | I'm guessing pervasive use of "::" would indicate that is the case. (e.g. https://github.com/blackberry/Cascades-Samples/blob/master/pushCollector/src/app.cpp) |
| 01:52:25 | Danjcla | Araq: if so thanks a lot anyway, know better what to look for in general now. |
| 01:55:17 | Araq | Danjcla: :: is just namespacing |
| 01:59:07 | Danjcla | Oh I thought it was syntax for accessing an overridden function in the base class from a derived class |
| 02:02:05 | reactormonk | Araq, why shouldn I mess with the TNimNode stuff? Will break lotsa things? |
| 02:02:07 | Danjcla | Actually classes don't seem to be used at all as far as I can find in samples so far |
| 02:02:50 | Araq | reactormonk: you need to touch the codegen for this rename to work and then you break bootstrapping for everybody |
| 02:03:17 | reactormonk | Araq, so a new csources in order? |
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| 02:03:59 | Araq | no. why do you rename it to TNimNode anyway? |
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| 02:04:13 | Synatra | Hello |
| 02:04:17 | Araq | TNimrodNode should become NimNodeObj |
| 02:04:24 | Araq | and then there is no collision |
| 02:05:13 | Danjcla | Or rather the only place overriding seems to be used is with QT code. |
| 02:05:30 | Araq | Danjcla: we have some Qt wrapper. check the forum please |
| 02:05:38 | Danjcla | k will do |
| 02:05:49 | Danjcla | This is looking promising :-) |
| 02:05:58 | reactormonk | Araq, PNimrodNode* {.magic: "PNimrodNode".} = ref NimNodeObj should go to? |
| 02:06:10 | Synatra | jeez |
| 02:06:19 | Synatra | the 7th time I say hello with no hello back :( |
| 02:07:02 | reactormonk | dom96, make the bot say "hello" back |
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| 02:09:30 | def- | hello Synatra |
| 02:09:42 | Synatra | def-: hi |
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| 02:11:17 | Araq | reactormonk: yeah |
| 02:11:23 | Araq | Synatra: hello |
| 02:11:25 | Araq | good night. |
| 02:11:37 | Synatra | Oh i see |
| 02:11:41 | Synatra | good night :( |
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| 03:45:42 | flaviu | Varriount, Araq, dom96: http://forum.nim-lang.org/t/807 |
| 03:46:49 | flaviu | can you give fadg44a3w4fe mod powers so I can deal with this sort of stuff myself? |
| 03:47:03 | reactormonk | Araq, well, renaming PNimrodNode magic doesn't work too well either |
| 03:48:29 | dtscode | wait you are fadg44a3w4fe flaviu ? |
| 03:48:37 | flaviu | yes? |
| 03:49:14 | dtscode | thats quite an interesting username |
| 03:49:19 | fowlmouth | thats his legal name dtscode |
| 03:49:25 | dtscode | ah ok |
| 03:49:39 | flaviu | lol, fowl is a bit confused |
| 03:49:50 | fowlmouth | flaviu is cybertronian |
| 03:49:54 | fowlmouth | thats why he speaks ASM |
| 03:50:05 | dtscode | o.O |
| 03:50:31 | flaviu | idivq %edx 0x45 |
| 03:50:46 | flaviu | see? I probably butchered that though. |
| 03:50:51 | dtscode | wait i thought flaviu's real name was flaviu ? |
| 03:51:23 | fowlmouth | joke sounded better in my head |
| 03:51:54 | dtscode | just like my code/ideas |
| 03:53:55 | fowlmouth | or my wife |
| 03:58:07 | dtscode | your wife sounds a lot like my gf |
| 03:59:46 | Trixar_za | How do they sound in your head? |
| 03:59:53 | Trixar_za | or is it just silence? |
| 04:00:11 | Trixar_za | Slience and Sandwitches :) |
| 04:00:18 | Trixar_za | Silence* |
| 04:06:16 | dtscode | the only thing in my head is the pokemon theme song |
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| 07:42:14 | ekarlso | this packages stuff makes me realize how terrible I am at webpages :| |
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| 10:42:55 | dumdum | Since ';' almost unnecessary in nim source but ':' is used a lot, to avoid pressing 'shift' to type colon, in linux X systems use this; |
| 10:42:59 | dumdum | xmodmap -e "keycode 47 = colon semicolon semicolon colon dead_acute dead_doubleacute" |
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| 10:43:43 | dumdum | and this to revert: xmodmap -e "keycode 47 = semicolon colon semicolon colon dead_acute dead_doubleacute" |
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| 10:46:34 | Araq | dumdum: but both : and ; require the shift key :P |
| 10:48:10 | BlaXpirit | huh |
| 10:48:29 | dumdum | hmm? mine does not anymore for : , I have a single key for :; with ; default |
| 10:49:07 | Triplefox | depends on keyboard locale |
| 10:49:18 | dumdum | well use: xmodmap -pke <-- to see your current settings and then change them using xmodmap -e ".." |
| 10:50:06 | BlaXpirit | honestly typing shift+; is one of the least uncomfortable things to type |
| 10:50:30 | dumdum | ah, yes, i will switch that too :D |
| 10:50:33 | BlaXpirit | this change is worth less than readapting |
| 10:50:54 | BlaXpirit | that it requires |
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| 11:04:57 | kashyap_ | I tried to use macros in my kernel project but it appears that it has dependencies at the moment that may not let it be used for kernel development ... is that right? |
| 11:06:42 | kashyap_ | The moment I add --os:standalone during compilation, I get lib/pure/parseutils.nim(297, 42) Error: type mismatch: got (string, Slice[int]) |
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| 11:15:26 | Araq | kashyap_: yeah that's a problem. please report it, it's easy to fix, I think |
| 11:15:43 | kashyap_ | glad to hear...will report it right away |
| 11:18:51 | kashyap_ | filed https://github.com/Araq/Nim/issues/2041 |
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| 13:55:13 | ekarlso | anyone know howto make a column in bootstrap not overflow ? |
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| 14:53:17 | AtomicBool | Hello |
| 14:55:17 | Araq | hi AtomicBool. welcome |
| 14:55:32 | AtomicBool | how r u Araq? |
| 14:57:04 | Araq | I'm fine |
| 14:57:42 | AtomicBool | Thats good |
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| 15:20:31 | Demos | is devel broken? |
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| 17:20:00 | ekarlso | is it like cricket sounds here today ? :p |
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| 18:09:30 | ekarlso | dom96: you there ? ^ |
| 18:09:37 | dom96 | yes |
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| 18:10:37 | ekarlso | sitting here wondering how to do nimble -,,- |
| 18:14:00 | ekarlso | dom96: any reason why one doesn't use toml format or alike vs custom ? |
| 18:14:11 | dom96 | yes |
| 18:14:16 | dom96 | parsecfg is in the stdlib |
| 18:14:28 | ekarlso | oook :p |
| 18:14:50 | ekarlso | is there a manual on what the diff options mean like installext etc? |
| 18:20:49 | Araq | these questions are so backwards |
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| 18:21:04 | Araq | parsecfg was modelled after ini long before "toml" existed |
| 18:22:04 | Araq | there is nothing "custom" about it, there was no "toml standard" we could have used instead |
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| 18:22:48 | ekarlso | :p |
| 18:23:20 | ekarlso | yay |
| 18:23:26 | ekarlso | first pkg installed via nimble via registry! |
| 18:24:04 | ekarlso | no cheers for that ? :( |
| 18:24:06 | ekarlso | nooo |
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| 18:29:05 | Araq | ekarlso: cheers! :-) |
| 18:29:24 | Araq | but I'm hardly aware of what you're doing ;-) |
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| 18:35:10 | EXetoC | ekarlso: via a web interface? |
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| 19:00:56 | ekarlso | EXetoC: more like nimble going to nim-pkg grabbing the metadata vs package.json |
| 19:01:26 | ekarlso | Araq: making the package.json > a program (: |
| 19:03:00 | ekarlso | Araq: nimble api backend with sqlite atm with a html / js frontend page as well as nimble |
| 19:04:06 | ekarlso | adding "nimble register" > useful to have after "nimble init" that reads the nimble file and posts it up to the registry and a "nimble release" to package up the current version up to the registry |
| 19:05:15 | ekarlso | should be useful to have in stuff like CI tools etc |
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| 19:07:04 | ekarlso | Araq: so then you know ;p |
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| 19:12:14 | ekarlso | dom96: would it be a bad idea to unify Package / PackageInfo ? |
| 19:12:28 | dom96 | yes |
| 19:12:45 | ekarlso | why so ? |
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| 20:03:57 | ekarlso | hmmms |
| 20:04:03 | ekarlso | how do you add a newline in nim ? |
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| 20:06:12 | notdtscode | & "\n"? |
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| 20:17:04 | ekarlso | dom96: does nimble have a "config" file itself ? |
| 20:17:18 | dom96 | yes |
| 20:17:27 | ekarlso | where does that get loaded ? |
| 20:17:44 | ekarlso | and I dont mean the per package one |
| 20:20:14 | ekarlso | dom96: ? |
| 20:20:49 | dom96 | https://github.com/nim-lang/nimble/blob/master/src/nimblepkg/config.nim |
| 20:21:41 | ekarlso | kewl! |
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| 20:32:01 | BlaXpirit | Please tell me if it should be possible to use this library at compile time if "re" is not used. https://github.com/BlaXpirit/docopt.nim/blob/master/src/docopt.nim |
| 20:46:36 | BlaXpirit | And, is it possible to use C code (header-only lib) at compile time? |
| 20:47:53 | def- | BlaXpirit: don't think you can do C code at compile time |
| 20:48:50 | BlaXpirit | is there any interest in some very lightweight regex library, which is not nearly feature-complete? |
| 20:49:38 | BlaXpirit | been looking at this https://github.com/BlaXpirit/slre (this is not mine, just cloned it for preservation) |
| 20:53:08 | flaviu | BlaXpirit: It's already on github: https://github.com/cesanta/slre |
| 20:53:15 | flaviu | also, no lookarounds :( |
| 20:53:37 | BlaXpirit | flaviu, the author deleted MIT-licensed repository and uploaded it in GPL-licensed |
| 20:53:55 | BlaXpirit | or he thought he deleted, because that googlecode MIT code cloned just fine |
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| 20:54:32 | flaviu | I see. That's nasty. :/ |
| 20:54:54 | BlaXpirit | still, there is no way he can un-license what's on the internet |
| 20:55:12 | BlaXpirit | the reason i'm mentioning this, is maybe docopt can be compile-time |
| 20:55:22 | BlaXpirit | but I don't have a good idea of how to approach it |
| 20:55:35 | BlaXpirit | getting rid of C dependency seems completely possible though |
| 20:55:51 | flaviu | bug araq to fix VM FFI :P |
| 20:56:20 | flaviu | But why would you want it to be compile-time? |
| 20:56:31 | def- | for efficiency! |
| 20:56:33 | BlaXpirit | there is no real reason for it |
| 20:56:44 | def- | first thing i tried with docopt was to make it work at compile time |
| 20:57:04 | BlaXpirit | just a whim of some people, and I completely understand it |
| 20:57:04 | flaviu | def-: you only need to parse arguments once, efficiency doesn't matter much. |
| 20:57:17 | BlaXpirit | it's more to advertise nim's awesomeness |
| 20:57:26 | def- | flaviu: it matters if you have a program that gets run very often |
| 20:57:26 | flaviu | BlaXpirit: If you're looking for a fun time, try writing compile-time PEGs! |
| 20:57:30 | BlaXpirit | def-, and what have you achieved? |
| 20:57:41 | def- | BlaXpirit: nothing, but i think only regular expressions were the problem |
| 20:58:07 | BlaXpirit | i am not completely sure if the data type is always the same for the same doc string |
| 20:58:13 | BlaXpirit | data types of all values, that is |
| 21:00:04 | flaviu | BlaXpirit: slre might not be a good choice, it seems buggy and unmaintaned. |
| 21:00:22 | BlaXpirit | but it might work for what is needed here |
| 21:00:57 | flaviu | I don't like it, the bugs are fairly major too. |
| 21:01:09 | BlaXpirit | let's take it somewhere else |
| 21:01:12 | flaviu | ok |
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| 21:06:21 | BlaXpirit | oh, and what about functions like sscanf, are they available in nim? |
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| 21:13:57 | ekarlso | soo |
| 21:14:05 | ekarlso | should the api take a pre-set of allowed licenses |
| 21:14:13 | ekarlso | or user defined ? |
| 21:15:24 | BlaXpirit | this is difficult |
| 21:15:42 | BlaXpirit | predefined sure is nice, but you can't disallow custom licenses |
| 21:17:49 | EXetoC | GPLed libs :\ |
| 21:18:10 | ekarlso | there's a API for licenses management |
| 21:18:11 | flaviu | Yeah, you can be certain that someone will make typos while spelling out the licence if it isn't predefined. |
| 21:18:13 | ekarlso | so that's ok |
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| 21:30:13 | ekarlso | hmm |
| 21:30:22 | ekarlso | can you toSeq(jarray) ? |
| 21:31:34 | EXetoC | ekarlso: yes, if there's an item iterator for that type. try it :p |
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| 21:41:48 | ekarlso | License BSD is invalid.. Needs to be one of: |
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| 21:41:50 | ekarlso | 'MIT' |
| 21:41:52 | ekarlso | yarp |
| 21:55:28 | BlaXpirit | how to get all members of a set[char] as a string? |
| 21:59:12 | def- | BlaXpirit: similarly to `$` for set? |
| 21:59:27 | BlaXpirit | {'a'..'c'} -> "abc" |
| 22:00:29 | def- | https://gist.github.com/def-/da16bfa4934a8639d158 |
| 22:00:59 | BlaXpirit | right... thanks |
| 22:01:07 | BlaXpirit | was expecting something very clever |
| 22:01:32 | dtscode | everything def- says is clever |
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| 22:40:21 | flaviu | def-: re docopt performance: If the test suite is representative of real-world use, it costs 89.71µs per invocation. I don't think that's worth optimizing. |
| 22:41:11 | def- | flaviu: oh, nice |
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| 23:01:08 | onionhammer | Araq you got a timeline for when nimsuggest will be built by default? |
| 23:01:17 | onionhammer | (by koch?) |
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| 23:03:32 | def- | onionhammer: alternatively nimsuggest could move into its own repo |
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| 23:04:56 | onionhammer | def- well. the advantage to having it built w/ nim is that ides can rely on it being around if nim is installed on the machine |
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| 23:06:30 | EXetoC | it can still be done |
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