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01:14:50FromDiscord<Saken> Hello friends, very interested in Nim, but can not find any time to learn it. For projects at the moment using Fastify. But wanted to choose one strictly typed server side language as Java is too verbose. How is nim like on server side. Did some research and available options are Jester and Prologue. Can you share your experience on using Nim on backend? How is fast compared to Fastify?
01:30:38FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> I think someone else would have had to use Fastify to compare Jester or Prologue to it haha
01:41:05FromDiscord<Saken> I think its normal when developers jump from one language to another or testing some different frameworks...
01:43:59FromDiscord<Saken> Main question was How is nim like on server side, different database support and quirks in dev etc
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02:05:40PMunch@Saken, I've used Nim on server side. It's pretty good. But I've never tried Fastify, so can't really compare it
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02:07:00FromDiscord<Saken> In reply to @PMunch "<@821244146277679124>, I've used Nim": Thanks. Very interested and hope will find time to learn it. Thanks
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03:04:15FromDiscord<ajusa> WIP, but I've been trying to write a tutorial/example for sealmove's binarylang. If anyone is interested, here it is: https://ajusa.github.io/binarylang-fun/intro.html↵Huge thanks to nimib and pietroppeter, makes writing and updating this sort of stuff painless. I'm planning on including a section on parsing binary stuff next (that is what it is designed for) and web scraping
03:04:27FromDiscord<ajusa> (edit) "scraping" => "scraping. I would appreciate any feedback!"
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05:22:41FromDiscord<pietroppeter> I found it very readable. I did not know about binarylang and did not expect it could be used to parse also non binary stuff, and it actually seems to be pretty great about it! And of course I loved the fact that it was the first public usage of nimib I have seen around 🙂
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05:55:05ForumUpdaterBotNew Nimble package! newfix - FIX Protocol optimized parser (Financial Information eXchange), see https://github.com/inv2004/newfix
06:01:55saemFun, this might be a good for reducing some test cases. https://comby.dev/blog/2021/03/26/comby-reducer
06:03:35FromDiscord<flywind> This also helps(though it doesn't compile anymore) https://github.com/disruptek/dust
06:04:17saemOh, that's neat
06:27:53FromDiscord<cp> It would be nice(tm) to have a wrapper for this no ? https://github.com/arrayfire
06:30:11FromDiscord<dmitmel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UwI
06:53:29FromDiscord<Dav1s> any good benchmark comparing nim with c++ and go?
06:53:42FromDiscord<Dav1s> https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks
06:53:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks
06:53:45FromDiscord<Dav1s> is this a good one?
06:53:52FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> I mean it's a benchmark
06:57:38FromDiscord<Dav1s> Im planning ditching python for nim in my personal projects
06:57:47FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @dmitmel "hi! I'm trying to": If you need to have a structure that can either be `"string"` or something else you should use variant objects https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-object-variants
06:58:00FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i wrote this example to show how to do that https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UwO
06:58:07FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Dont plan on it do it 😛
06:58:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Macros, static typing, speed, nicer syntax we got it here
06:58:25FromDiscord<Dav1s> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Dont plan on it": No need to plan im doing it rn
06:58:36FromDiscord<Dav1s> (edit) "plan" => "plan,"
07:00:25FromDiscord<Rika> JsonNode is already a variant object
07:00:38FromDiscord<dmitmel> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UwT
07:00:48FromDiscord<Rika> You can just parse the JSON string and restructure the data into your type from there
07:01:10FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @dmitmel "don't they result in": You can write own converter to json
07:01:11FromDiscord<Avatarfighter> o7 everyone how are you all
07:01:20FromDiscord<haxscramper> I thought you are asking about how to represent this on nim side
07:01:44FromDiscord<haxscramper> Everything else you can just implement parser/serializer for to fit into specific json structure
07:02:04FromDiscord<dmitmel> writing my own converter is a possibility, but I'd prefer to use the existing unmarshaller or something based on it
07:02:05FromDiscord<Dav1s> In reply to @ElegantBeef "Macros, static typing, speed,": How should I get into it?
07:02:12FromDiscord<Dav1s> any good guide
07:02:12FromDiscord<Rika> If you didn’t know, you can monkey patch the json module without editing the actual file
07:02:31FromDiscord<Rika> Look into a proc called initFromJson or something I think
07:02:36FromDiscord<Rika> Or was it backwards
07:02:52FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> My recommendation is https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html
07:02:58FromDiscord<Rika> I don’t know but from there just write a similar proc in your module for your type then use the to macro
07:03:31FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @dmitmel "writing my own converter": https://nim-lang.org/docs/marshal.html you can check if this fits your needs
07:04:01FromDiscord<haxscramper> If now then write custom `load[T]` for it
07:06:00FromDiscord<haxscramper> If you end up writing `toRecord(json: JsonNode): Record` you can try using pattern matching https://nim-lang.github.io/fusion/src/fusion/matching.html#matching-different-things-kvminuspairs-matching and field iterators https://nim-lang.org/docs/iterators.html#fieldPairs.i%2CT
07:06:53FromDiscord<dmitmel> oh, btw, forgot to tell. `Record` is nothing special, it's just what typescript uses to define an dictionary of one type to another, smth like `Map<string, string>` if this looks more familiar.
07:07:13FromDiscord<haxscramper> We have `Table[string, sting]`
07:07:18FromDiscord<dmitmel> nice
07:08:54FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @cp "It would be nice(tm)": https://github.com/bitstormGER/ArrayFire-Nim
07:09:39FromDiscord<cp> It is magic 🙂
07:12:24Q-Master@dmitmel you can also check this https://github.com/Q-Master/packets.nim
07:13:14FromDiscord<dmitmel> thanks, looks interesting
07:42:02FromDiscord<Rika> are there better/other code cov solutions than `gcov` and `coverage` nimble package?
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09:15:18Clonkk[m]@Rika See https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7024 . TL;DR : No.
09:15:37FromDiscord<Rika> damn
09:15:39FromDiscord<Rika> okay
09:15:48Clonkk[m]Timotheethecour has a compiler branch where he started working on code coverage if you feel like itnkering with it
09:15:56Clonkk[m](it's all in the forums thread)
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10:24:55FromGitter<bung87> anyone know how to solve this `libzip_all.c.o:libzip_all.c:(.text+0x6de8): undefined reference to `crc32' ⏎ collect2.exe: error: ld returned 1 exit status` am on windows
10:27:51FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> sounds like the linker can't find c3c32
10:27:57FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> (edit) "c3c32" => "crc32"
10:28:09FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> are you on windows or linux?
10:28:15FromDiscord<Zachary Carter> or macOS?
10:28:20FromGitter<bung87> windows
10:29:04FromGitter<bung87> I remember it will use pure nim on windows as it doesn"t have libzip
10:32:04FromGitter<bung87> oh it include zlib.h
10:38:15FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @Dav1s "any good benchmark comparing": https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/go-gpp.html
11:13:16FromDiscord<Aiz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UxM
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11:13:56FromDiscord<Aiz> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UxM" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UxO"
11:13:57FromDiscord<Rika> might be unintentional?
11:17:40FromDiscord<Aiz> if the point of `split` and `splitWhitespace` is empty string↵than why `unicode.splitWhitespace` different from `strutils.splitWhitespace`
11:17:49FromDiscord<Aiz> (edit) "string↵than" => "string↵then"
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11:26:49FromDiscord<Aiz> also, i think i saw that people prefer to use `toSeq(iterator)` than another proc↵should we deprecate `proc split` or something like that
11:27:12FromDiscord<Aiz> that's just my thoughts↵i'm not nim expert
11:27:28FromDiscord<Aiz> (edit) "also, i think i saw ... that" added "somewhere"
11:29:11FromDiscord<Rika> its not a preference, its more of just because most iterators do not have a corresponding proc
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11:32:16FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @bung87 "I remember it will": Why not use zippy?
11:32:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://github.com/guzba/zippy
11:35:06FromGitter<bung87> yeah I just switch to zippy , found it can't open my zip file
11:35:53FromGitter<bung87> https://github.com/guzba/zippy/issues/11 I create a issue for this
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12:33:01Guest82781hello! I wonder if anyone is able to help me.... i'm developing some client/server software, the client runs on windows and is sending a wide char string, the server is nim and it's receiving it as a string, but processing anything on it (e.g. comparison) fails since it's actually wide char (confirmed by checking the hex which was e.g. 4100420043 etc)
12:33:18Guest82781is there any simple/quick way to convert to a common format
12:34:02FromDiscord<Rika> maybe check within https://nim-lang.org/docs/widestrs.html
12:34:38Guest82781oo thanks i did not see this
12:44:53Guest82781hmmm, if i newWideCString it I only get the first char :/
12:49:55FromDiscord<Rika> strange
12:50:14FromDiscord<Rika> do you have a \0 in there?
12:54:11Guest82781yes, it's wide char so it's 2 byte chars
12:54:24Guest82781e.g. A = 0x0041
12:55:28Guest82781e.g. as bytes... [100, 0, 109, 0, 99, 0,
12:55:50FromDiscord<Rika> nim widestr uses uint16
12:55:58FromDiscord<Rika> combine the bytes into uint16s first
12:56:27Guest82781hmm ok
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13:03:15Guest82781surely there must be a simpler way to do this?
13:05:10Guest82781looks like the winstr module might be helpful
13:12:45Guest82781or not :D
13:39:18FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Guest82781 why widestrs doesn't work for you?
13:39:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> you just do let mystr = newWideCString(yourstring)
13:39:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> or you can use treeform's
13:39:57FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://github.com/treeform/encode
13:40:11FromDiscord<Yardanico> use fromUTF16LE from there
13:40:24FromDiscord<Yardanico> it converts a windows wide string to a nim string
13:40:38FromDiscord<Yardanico> why are you not using utf-8 in your client though? :)
13:44:24FromDiscord<Rika> is it still worth supporting nim 1.0 or should i support until 1.2?
13:44:29FromDiscord<Rika> for packages
13:45:20FromDiscord<Yardanico> you can support 1.4+ just fine :P
13:45:33FromDiscord<Yardanico> but really check https://nim-lang.org/blog/2021/01/20/community-survey-results-2020.html
13:45:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/826452090817478726/09.png
13:45:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/826452115530317824/unknown.png
13:46:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> 472+86 = 558 ~= 85% of all Nim users were on 1.4 or devel
13:46:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> (out of those who responded in this survey)
13:48:02FromDiscord<Rika> okay
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14:03:35Oddmongerwow 558 users of nim worlwide, you can almost know them all
14:04:14FromDiscord<Rika> i barely know 20 people at a time what makes you think i can know five hundred
14:04:58Oddmongeri wonder how a political professional can remember
14:05:30Oddmonger« Hey welcome ! Still with nim ?! » « i'm using rust, assh**** »
14:05:47FromDiscord<Rika> are you ok
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14:12:41Guest82781@Yardanico: newWideCString takes the first char, presumably due to the nulls, as i metnioned
14:12:51FromDiscord<Yardanico> but why do you have nulls in your string?
14:13:14Guest82781because it's a wchar string from windows?
14:13:25Guest82781e.g. 00410042
14:13:29Guest82781utf16
14:13:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> wait
14:13:49FromDiscord<Yardanico> do you receive your data as a string or cstring?
14:14:29Guest82781well it's coming back from decryptCBC of nimAES, which gives it me as a string
14:15:32Guest82781but the decrypted content is wchar
14:20:21FromDiscord<will> how can you initialize an array with a certain number of all the same value
14:20:22FromDiscord<will> (edit) "value" => "value>"
14:20:25FromDiscord<will> (edit) "value>" => "value?"
14:20:46FromDiscord<mratsim> import std/algorithm and use `fill`
14:21:06FromDiscord<will> thank you!
14:22:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> does anyone know of scratchpad plugins for vscode so that I can quickly test some nim code without polluting my project's files?
14:23:01FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "plugins" => "plugin"
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14:32:15saemThat's an annoying thing about VSCode, I miss it from InteliJ. I looked a while back but didn't find one that I liked at the time.
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14:57:14FromDiscord<Valdar> Can't you just open a new instance of VS?
14:57:58FromDiscord<no name fits> In reply to @Yardanico "does anyone know of": I usually have an extra project just to test out code. I know it's not exactly what you want, but it works for me
14:58:28FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Valdar that's less comfortable (one extra window) instead of quickly opening a new file (in the same instance), testing some code and discarding it or saving to some special dir :)
14:58:38FromDiscord<no name fits> True
15:01:50FromDiscord<Valdar> In reply to @Yardanico "<@!458164811889377290> that's less comfortable": Ageed. It's the only way I know around it tho. If you find something like a scratchpad, I'd like it as well 🙂
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15:16:35FromDiscord<Mustache Man> Can R's nonstandard evaluation be replicated in Nim? E.g. passing an unquoted field name into a method and accessing that field on an object as in myPersonSeq.filter(height < 170)
15:20:19FromDiscord<Rika> prolly yeah
15:20:27FromDiscord<Rika> sounds kinda easy
15:27:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Mustache Man it's already kinda possible with the filterIt template
15:27:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> myPersonSeq.filterIt(it.height <170)
15:27:42FromDiscord<Yardanico> (edit) "<170)" => "< 170)"
15:27:54FromDiscord<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/sequtils.html#filterIt.t%2Cuntyped%2Cuntyped
15:28:12FromDiscord<Yardanico> but if you don't want the "it" at all then you'd have to make a macro I guess
15:30:35FromDiscord<Yardanico> that search query sounds very weird out-of-context https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/826478519395024947/unknown.png
15:30:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> 1 nim with sugar please
15:38:42FromDiscord<Rika> great
15:38:42FromDiscord<Rika> i made the macro but it got wiped because of ix
15:45:20FromDiscord<Mustache Man> In reply to @Yardanico "but if you don't": Yeah that'd be a big win.↵ I may be in the minority but I find the "it" is distracting
15:45:26FromDiscord<Yardanico> huh
15:45:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> I don't like too much implicitness in that case, it looks good enough for me :)
15:45:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> but yeah, you can make a macro that'll do it I guess
15:46:23FromDiscord<Yardanico> the simplest you can do (I guess) is to create a macro which will create templates for all fields of the type you're filtering on
15:48:28FromDiscord<Rika> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Uzv
15:48:31FromDiscord<Rika> rudimentary macro
15:48:32FromDiscord<Mustache Man> I'm just on my first week of learning Nim but, one thing I'm trying to find is how to accept the unquoted field name
15:48:40FromDiscord<Rika> not very good but should be ok to extend?
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15:49:06FromDiscord<Rika> @Mustache Man try it, see if i made the right thing
15:50:40FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Rika wow nice that's simple
15:50:48FromDiscord<Yardanico> it works for @Mustache Man 's use case as well
15:50:55FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2Uzy
15:51:05FromDiscord<Yardanico> ah I see how you do it, right
15:52:10FromDiscord<Mustache Man> I'm on mobile so I can't easily copy paste :) the example you sent worked
15:53:36FromDiscord<Rika> i can think of some cases where it MIGHT not work too well
15:53:48FromDiscord<Rika> but i made this in a few minute so
15:53:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> yeah I can think of those cases too :P
15:54:06FromDiscord<Yardanico> hm, what if..
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15:54:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> hm yeah that won't work as I wanted it to
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15:55:52FromDiscord<Mustache Man> Pretty nice from what I can tell. I'll have to try it out more deeply later! Thanks so much
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15:56:13FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Mustache Man this only works on simple predicates though, but it shouldn't be too hard to expand it
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15:57:00FromDiscord<Mustache Man> Yup, I need to learn how to write Macros so at least I have a jumping off point and a purpose now
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16:13:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Mustache Man this is how I can make it work for all types of predicates and fields, but it's a bit "cursed" :P
16:13:37FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/wQU
16:14:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> basically there's a special fieldPairs iterator which the compiler unrolls into field name (as a string) and field value of some object, so for each field we call genFilterTempl which creates a template with the name as that field name which returns the actual field value from the current iterated value from the iterator
16:14:59FromDiscord<Yardanico> although this will only work for objects
16:17:57FromDiscord<Rika> yeah if you have procs it wont work then
16:18:06FromDiscord<Rika> whilst mine still kinda does
16:18:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> well the problem is that if you have different predicates, possibly function calls, etc, it can become kind of complicated
16:19:33FromDiscord<Rika> bring out the cursed acronym
16:19:48FromDiscord<Rika> ||~~nti~~||
16:19:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> lol
16:20:41FromDiscord<dk> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UzF
16:22:02FromDiscord<Yardanico> In reply to @dk "these are templates, sir": ?
16:22:10FromDiscord<Yardanico> they're not, you can't do this with a template
16:26:44FromDiscord<no name fits> So what's a good way to get started learning how to do stuff like the ``get "foo/bar": code`` I sometimes see. Like making your own get command(?)
16:26:50FromDiscord<no name fits> I'm not sure what to call it
16:27:47FromDiscord<Yardanico> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UzL
16:27:53FromDiscord<no name fits> oh it's just templates?
16:27:56FromDiscord<Yardanico> it can be macros too
16:28:13FromDiscord<Yardanico> or even procs (with do) if you have an expression that evaluates to a value and just want that value
16:29:42FromDiscord<no name fits> Thanks
16:36:25FromDiscord<dk> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UzM
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16:37:39FromDiscord<no name fits> What's that supposed to do?
16:40:31FromDiscord<haxscramper> In reply to @dk "would be pretty cool": You can do this with `superQuote` from https://github.com/PMunch/macroutils
16:40:53FromDiscord<haxscramper> I.e. allow function call interpolation inside of backticks instead of just identifier name
16:41:59FromDiscord<haxscramper> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=2UzN
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16:46:12FromDiscord<dk> In reply to @haxscramper "You can do this": will normal quote ever work that way?
16:46:38FromDiscord<haxscramper> It might (because `superquote` provides superset of the features)
16:47:01FromDiscord<haxscramper> So it not a breaking change at least
16:47:55FromDiscord<haxscramper> Though `quote` in itself still has many limitations like inability to splice nodes, and in a lot of cases people end up with `newTree`
16:47:59FromDiscord<haxscramper> for anything remotely complex
16:48:58FromDiscord<no name fits> So I'm trying to google what it means to "lift" something in programming (like a proc) but I keep getting links for body builders and how lifts are programmed
16:49:26FromDiscord<Rika> lambda lifting?
16:49:35FromDiscord<haxscramper> that is a FP term, so something like "functional programming lift"
16:49:58FromDiscord<no name fits> thanks! got an answer on the first result now
16:50:34FromDiscord<no name fits> found this https://github.com/hemanth/functional-programming-jargon
16:51:29FromDiscord<Rika> i mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_lifting
16:51:37FromDiscord<Rika> pretty simple here as well
16:51:53FromDiscord<no name fits> you underestimate my stupidity
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18:09:35ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by JPLRouge: Import to thread help, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7720
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19:38:35FromDiscord<hotdog> Anyone ever seen SIGSEGV during compilation? That's a new one for me
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19:49:15FromDiscord<Yardanico> @hotdog https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/826543614163025920/9k.png
19:49:43FromDiscord<Yardanico> if the code's rather small you can share it and I can try to minimize it
19:49:43Prestigelmao
19:58:00FromDiscord<hotdog> @Yardanico haha
19:58:27FromDiscord<hotdog> I've seen compiler crashes but usually get the thing telling you to do a koch build or something
19:58:42FromDiscord<hotdog> This was just a sigsegv halfway through, nothing else
19:58:47FromDiscord<hotdog> I fixed it though
19:58:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> yes you can build a debug version of the compiler with ./koch temp
19:58:58FromDiscord<Yardanico> @hotdog well it still would be good to know what caused the compiler to crash
19:58:58FromDiscord<hotdog> Yeah
19:59:55FromDiscord<hotdog> I'm not sure I can make a simple reproduction
20:10:14FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> is there any incremental build support?
20:10:46FromDiscord<no name fits> Increasing a number every build?
20:10:50FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "is there any incremental build support? ... " added "and bonus points for caching"
20:10:57FromDiscord<hotdog> @fwsgonzo in progress
20:11:01FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> ok
20:11:19FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> bonus points for ccache behavior
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20:12:10FromDiscord<hotdog> @fwsgonzo https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/46
20:12:27FromDiscord<Yardanico> yep, exactly
20:12:29FromDiscord<hotdog> There's also discussions about it on the forum etc
20:12:42FromDiscord<no name fits> oh that
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20:12:55FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> im quite bottlenecked right now as I have hundreds of subprojects as part of my build
20:13:02FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> and i dont want to rebuild all of them when I change one file
20:13:19FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> they are currently written in C++ but I would like to be able to use C/Nim
20:13:39FromDiscord<no name fits> I guess a workaround would be compartmentalising the build
20:13:50FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, nim compilation is quite fast and can be faster than C/C++
20:13:52FromDiscord<Yardanico> because no headers :P
20:14:09FromDiscord<Yardanico> that said, macros (depending on how they're written), converters, concepts, etc can slow down the compilation a lot
20:14:25FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> im already using ninja/ccache, which is the best you can get, and its still annoying
20:14:33FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> (edit) "ninja/ccache," => "CMake/ninja/ccache,"
20:14:47FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> i know that Nim always rebuilds, simple as that
20:15:13FromDiscord<fwsgonzo> thanks for the RFC link 🙂
20:15:32FromDiscord<Yardanico> the IC implementation is already in progress
20:16:23FromDiscord<no name fits> Other than looking at the issues, is there a way to see the current todo feature list?
20:16:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> you mean for IC?
20:16:40FromDiscord<no name fits> For Nim in general
20:16:45FromDiscord<Yardanico> nim doesn't really have a "todo" list like that
20:17:00FromDiscord<no name fits> Probably why I couldn't find one then 😛
20:17:34FromDiscord<Yardanico> we have some small milestones https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/milestones and we also have different labels in issues
20:17:41FromDiscord<no name fits> thanks
20:17:44FromDiscord<Yardanico> for 2021 the main thing is IC as far as I know
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20:18:52FromDiscord<no name fits> Right. Right now I'm mainly using Nim for graphics with Vulkan and web stuff (been trying to write my own web server), and I was wondering if there was going to be more work for native GUI stuff for mobile and business apps
20:19:26FromDiscord<no name fits> Something like Xamarin, but not shit
20:19:30FromDiscord<Yardanico> for third party things (not directly related to the stdlib/compiler) the best we have is https://github.com/nim-lang/needed-libraries/
20:19:43FromDiscord<no name fits> thanks!
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20:20:25FromDiscord<no name fits> I also don't mind helping, but I have limited knowledge and experience with this stuff 🙂
20:20:46FromDiscord<no name fits> I really like Nim and I use it for free, so feels like the least I could od
20:20:52FromDiscord<no name fits> (edit) "od" => "do"
20:21:56FromDiscord<no name fits> So far I've only helped with docs a tiny bit, so
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20:48:07ForumUpdaterBotNew thread by Stefan_Salewski: Processing elements of a sequence with conditional deletion, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/7721
21:14:18Zoom[m]Hey, everyone, what's the status of CPS? It was the next big thing just this January and a hot topic here. Anything happened?
21:14:52Zoom[m]I've been out of the loop for about 3 months now
21:15:33FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Disruptek got banned and has left Nim, and now someone needs to take the reigns
21:15:45FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> reins even
21:17:02Zoom[m]Ah, that is unfortunate
21:19:27Zoom[m]So, I took a stab at benhoyt/countwords and my version of optimized.nim is like 3% faster than the one on the repo
21:19:46Zoom[m]But it's stil nowhere near optimized.go and this is disturbing
21:21:46Zoom[m]Don't know what Go uses, but in our case clearly murmur makes it a bit slower. As far as I understand, you can't simply switch to hashWangYi1 for tables? Why?
21:23:09Zoom[m]Also, since the program scans words to make them lowercase, it would be nice to hash along the way, but is there a way to put some data and its hash into the table?
21:26:08Zoom[m]I mean, you're supposed to overload hash proc, but I can't pass the precalculated hash into it, unless I pack the data into a structure, which defeats the purpose.
21:31:01FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Well cant you just grab each word and use https://nim-lang.org/docs/hashes.html#hashIgnoreStyle%2Cstring
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21:35:52Zoom[m]Ah, since it hashes ordinals it will use wyhash.
21:35:55FromGitter<bung87> what's the problem ? tables already used hashWangyi
21:39:39Zoom[m]@bung87 Not for strings or arrays of bytes/chars: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-4/lib/pure/hashes.nim#L440
21:44:28FromGitter<bung87> but when you use hashIgnoreStyle it will not use wyhash
21:49:31Zoom[m]yep, so I'm a bit lost here. And the other question (with regards to hashing along the way) stands
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21:52:20FromGitter<bung87> you may need custom your type's hash op `proc hash(x: Person): Hash =`
21:54:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Also are you doing it in a danger build + trying different GCs?
21:56:03FromDiscord<Dav1s> any nim cheat sheet?
21:56:18FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Coming from python right?
21:56:25FromDiscord<Dav1s> yep
21:56:25FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Nim-for-Python-Programmers
21:58:59FromDiscord<Dav1s> thx m8
21:59:42Zoom[m]ElegantBeef, of course, all the whistles with danger and flto. Mostly using arc.
22:00:08FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Just making sure, some people are silly with their benchmarks
22:00:40FromGitter<bung87> reply to zoom , you may need custom type and manage array with index and you precalculated hash if the precalculated hash coming from external resources
22:04:53Zoom[m]Currently it's just a slice into a string, not sure how I could implement that. Distinct type?
22:05:26FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Are you slicing with `[a..b]` or `toOpenArray`?
22:05:40FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> The latter will give you a view where as the former does a copy
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22:11:31Zoom[m]ElegantBeef great catch, but the only time I'm actually slicing is when passing to counttable.inc
22:12:21FromGitter<bung87> You need implement your own get put delete use keys store in array . am not sure tou really need this
22:12:41FromDiscord<Dav1s> In reply to @ElegantBeef "https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/Nim-for-Python": really good guide
22:12:42FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> Yea i used my strviewutils and only got marginally better when i tested, was like .6s
22:12:57FromDiscord<ElegantBeef> or 60ms dont recall the scale
22:15:09Zoom[m]So, getting rid of murmur and just using !& gave another 4-5% bump
22:17:32Zoom[m]Currently at 6.96s for 50 bibles vs 5.33 for version in Go.
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22:29:34Zoom[m]I'm not very familiar with cachegrind, but it shows `rawAlloc_system_5008.constprop.0` and `rawDealloc_system_5146.constprop.0` at 15.2% and 8.5%
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23:15:17FromDiscord<Yardanico> @Zoom are you on latest devel or stable?
23:15:21FromDiscord<Yardanico> can you check the timings with --gc:arc
23:16:41Zoom[m]Devel, though a week's old or so. It's already arc
23:17:41FromDiscord<Yardanico> well, what about without arc? :P
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