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01:49:12FromDiscord<Patitotective> to make my library updates available for someone to install them, do i need to create a new tag or?
01:49:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You can make a tag, or you can mark a semver
01:49:40FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Tag is probably better
01:49:51FromDiscord<Patitotective> i can or i must?
01:49:58FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Depends on how religious you are about that semver
01:49:59FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Can
01:52:05FromDiscord<Patitotective> it worked 🙃
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03:37:15FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> How can I read really large files in Nim - as in with a buffered reader?
03:40:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `import std/streams`
03:40:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `for line in lines("somePath")`
03:40:33FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> what if I want the first five lines?
03:44:00FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> I did something like that - python lets you do something like iter()[\:5]
03:44:00FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> I was hoping nim would too
03:44:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Let's see if it does
03:44:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/K4u
03:45:24FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Using an int variable to count 5 line is also easy.
03:45:53FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> `nim c -d:release -r parse_vcd.nim` is that the right way to invoke the release flag?
03:46:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Yes
03:47:11FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> counting all the lines in my 2GB file is pretty slow - much slower than wc, and slower than in Rust, Go, or Scala
03:47:24FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/3TP6
03:47:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/wUQ
03:49:04FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> maybe I need to increase the bufsize?
03:49:45FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Worth noting you dont needs streams for `lines`
03:50:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Oh there is also `readLines`
03:50:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> The more you know
03:51:53FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do you have the equivlent go/rust
03:52:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And can you provide the file?
03:53:08FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TP7
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03:56:30FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> I broke the rust code - and I don't feel like fixing it to provide it
03:56:50FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> the nim file I pasted earlier is what I used - which you can compare with the go
03:57:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> And the .vcd?
03:57:41FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pfm2qo2l8fGTHHJ8TLrg1vSGaV_TUbp2/view?usp=sharing
03:58:04FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> probably doesn't matter - but FYI - a VCD is a waveform dump
03:58:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> How long does your go take and how long does your nim take?
04:00:01FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4 "I did something like": Wait what you can slice iterables in python how did I not notice that
04:00:27FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> go is roughly 11s - nim is 38s, `wc -l` is 8s
04:07:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well i'm also getting slow Nim performance so let's profile it using callgrind
04:08:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Going to take ages
04:08:40NimEventerNew Nimble package! millie - Convert big numbers to what's pleasant to see (an adorable, little girl, perhaps?) ... in Nim!, see https://github.com/bichanna/millie.nim
04:13:49FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> I suspect it's because it allocates on every readline
04:13:56FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It doesnt
04:22:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958582055824932894/image.png
04:23:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> methinks it's `memchr`
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04:25:41FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> what's memchr?
04:26:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> A search for char procedure
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04:40:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TPd
04:41:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Is a lot https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-1-6/lib/system/io.nim#L449-L495
04:42:14FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> much better
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04:50:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/dR3
04:50:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Does that have a bug somewhere, perhaps 😛
04:51:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I get 7.7s on danger, so i think it's suffice to say the `stdlib`'s lines is slow
04:55:22FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> heh
04:55:22FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> you try hard
04:55:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh i looked at the very C nim and knew it could be done better
04:55:48FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> where do you work?
04:55:55FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nowhere
04:56:00FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> pardon?
04:56:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm unemployed
04:56:30FromDiscord<spoon> i got github copilot access and after one line i can confirm it does not work well for nim at all LOL https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958590522124038164/unknown.png
04:56:34FromDiscord<@bracketmaster-5a708063d73408ce4> how do you buy food 😛
04:57:13FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> We'll just say i live in such a predicament that I dont starve
04:57:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Given some of the Nim code on github, that's probably a good thing
04:58:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Also i wonder how copilot works with macro heavy languages
04:58:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Copilot might learn a macro from a library and think it's a language feature
05:00:38FromDiscord<spoon> i think it just thinks that nim is python and tries to write python code
05:01:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I assume so, but that's not what my curiosity is from
05:01:42FromDiscord<spoon> hmmm https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958591830415536138/unknown.png
05:02:03FromDiscord<spoon> it does recognize `proc` and `=` format
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05:03:47FromDiscord<spoon> but it doesn't seem to want to even touch macros i guess https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958592355047456778/unknown.png
05:04:37FromDiscord<spoon> and yep if i ask it to generate a function using a comment it defaults to `def`
05:05:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I highly doubt generated Nim code would be good
05:05:43FromDiscord<spoon> yeah, but so far copilot has been super good at writing similar code that's repeated a lot
05:05:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I've seen how people write Nim, it's so flexible and people dont use nice features it'd result in bad code
05:05:48FromDiscord<spoon> but that's about all i can say for it
05:06:57FromDiscord<spoon> like i'd say it would help you in writing a function to move different directions depending on arrow key presses for example, cause it can probably guess and fill in from what you've already written and use the same syntax, but i wouldn't trust it to code stuff from scratch yet
05:07:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I mean templates exist 😛
05:08:10FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Like you dont need code gen when you have codegen
05:08:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958593497550700584/image.png
05:08:20FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> For instance
05:09:00FromDiscord<spoon> a template inside a proc?
05:09:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
05:10:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Write less code not more is what i say
05:11:53FromDiscord<spoon> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TPh
05:11:58FromDiscord<spoon> here's what i'm using for 8-directional movement on the numpad
05:12:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> yea i'm never writing that manually
05:13:27FromDiscord<spoon> will have to figure out template stuff
05:15:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> But i only have 4 directions
05:16:02FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TPj
05:17:00FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I also have an input event system so i just sub the keys with the events that move directions
05:17:03FromDiscord<spoon> yeah, that makes sense
05:19:49FromDiscord<spoon> yeah, copilot is nice for writing tedious repeaating stuff
05:19:56FromDiscord<spoon> (edit) "repeaating" => "repeating" | "repeatingstuff ... " added "like that"
05:20:08FromDiscord<spoon> (do edits go through matrix/irc?)
05:20:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Somewhat
05:21:21FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> If a message is edited too much the matrix bridge has a heart attack and the message disappears
05:21:36FromDiscord<spoon> ah that's nice
05:22:02FromDiscord<spoon> is it a rate limit thing or just it being weird?
05:22:11FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> It's just a bug
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06:12:23NimEventerNew thread by Elcritch: Fidgets: widgets using Fidget, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9059
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08:38:28FromDiscord<Forest> In reply to @Elegantbeef "If a message is": amazing, programming at its finest
09:07:07NimEventerNew thread by Mardiyah: Any on the Nim alias identical to C++ & ?, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9060
09:18:39FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @spoon "i got github copilot": I have Copilot too
09:21:39PMunchCopilot is such a Microsoft project
09:21:49PMunchPerfect for writing massive boilerplate-filled projects
09:22:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So microsofty it steals from OSS and replicates it elsewhere 😛
09:22:29PMunchOh yeah, that's another interesting aspect of it
09:22:46PMunchAt what point are you unfairly using code
09:23:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Links to it printing verbatim the fast inverse sqrt
09:24:44FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Copilt can insert code from GPL OSS project?
09:24:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes
09:25:54PMunch@Elegantbeef, oh wow, it's that bad?
09:26:01FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> BRUH https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958658345743581215/unknown.png
09:26:16FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> They say it's "very unlikely to print code verbatim"
09:26:19FromDiscord<demotomohiro> So copilt makes your software GPL Licenced
09:26:27FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309 "very unlikely" in action
09:26:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Well copilot doesnt even agree with GPL so... licenses dont mean anything
09:27:04Amun-Raand that's a good thing, you don't have to waste time choosing which license to use ;>
09:27:16FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Why tf does it use linear interpolation? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958658661050359828/unknown.png
09:31:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So aside from the fact most code on the internet is trash copilot is also just a lovely code thief 😛
09:33:56FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> fortunately it doesn't even know how to make a Bogo Sort
09:36:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm half waiting for someone to say "My code's not trash" just so i can prove it is!
09:36:37Amun-Ra;-)
09:37:18FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> KILL ME https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958661184607879228/unknown.png
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09:37:19Amun-RaI'm waiting for someone to say "my code is trash" just so you can improve it ;>
09:39:13FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> yeah he's dumb https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/958661668932554802/unknown.png
09:40:53FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Do you need to create a derivative of sine table when you have cosine table?
09:41:14FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> just testing Copilot
09:41:43FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @demotomohiro "Do you need to": Btw I didn't even asked for a table, just a single value
09:43:37PMunch@Elegantbeef, a free code review you say? My code's not trash!
09:50:32FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> It doesn't know what a 25% pulse waveform is
10:33:05NimEventerNew Nimble package! owlkettle - A declarative user interface framework based on GTK, see https://github.com/can-lehmann/owlkettle
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10:35:21PMunchHuh, that looks pretty neat
10:55:36FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @Elegantbeef "I'm half waiting for": My code is trash, but it's also true that nobody has yet written better code that solves my specific problem! If they did we would have a web framework with integrated orm!
10:56:21FromDiscord<enthus1ast> AAND, if you code solves your problem, but is trash, it still solves your problem
10:56:34FromDiscord<enthus1ast> not every bit of code must be a georgious beauty
11:05:31FromDiscord<Zoom> Does anyone parse nimble files from a nimscript? Looks like we can't use `parsecfg` as it relies on importc
11:08:41PMunch@Zoom, nimble files are nimscript
11:08:49PMunchYou shouldn't try to parse them
11:09:27PMunchYou should use `nimble dump --json` if you want to read out the data in your code
11:09:46PMunchOr import the compiler and execute the Nimble file in the same way Nimble does it
11:11:35PMunchDamn it.. Spent a large chunk of yesterday trying to figure out why I couldn't access my Raspberry Pi home-automation server.. Turns out it was because I had forgotten to turn off my work VPN :P
11:12:10PMunchI tried everything, restarted it, logged in to the server itself and verified that everything was up and running as it should be
11:12:13PMunchBut still couldn't connect
11:15:37FromDiscord<exelotl> haha classic
11:15:56PMunchI spent hours trying to debug that shit..
11:16:17PMunchIt still controlled the lights, so it appeared to work fine, but I couldn't connect to it :P
11:17:22FromDiscord<Zoom> I just want to read the f\\n version from my "config.nims" \:P↵(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
11:17:59FromDiscord<Zoom> And I'd like to just use the nimble file, but I can't even import inside of it
11:18:41FromDiscord<Zoom> wait, I can?
11:20:54FromDiscord<Zoom> I tried to import after the ini section earlier...
11:24:25PMunchIf you use the new Nimscript format you can import inside of it
11:24:44PMunchBut there is an old format which is just an INI file which doesn't support anything
11:25:14PMunchWait, you want to read version from config.nims?
11:27:10FromDiscord<Zoom> I've already done it copying the parsing proc from cblake, but now I'm moving the task back to .nimble file 🤦‍♂️
11:27:46PMunchWait, what exactly is it that you want to achieve here?
11:28:10FromDiscord<Zoom> Just define a task for nimble to build and name the binaries
11:28:36FromDiscord<Zoom> It's working fine, what's left is to query the architecture somehow...
11:31:27PMunchCan't you use read out the architecture in the task?
11:32:48PMunchRead out buildCPU or hostCPU
11:34:53FromDiscord<Zoom> Read out of what? I'm tempted to just `sizeOf(int)`
11:35:33FromDiscord<Zoom> Oh, thanks, missed those
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14:28:26FromDiscord<Bubblie> I wanted to ask, when you compile you nim project to c++, what happens to the libraries that nim file imported? Is it also converted to c++ so the compiled c++ code from you nim file can also use it?
14:28:38FromDiscord<Bubblie> (edit) "you" => "yor"
14:28:45FromDiscord<Bubblie> (edit) "yor" => "you" | "you" => "your"
14:28:48FromDiscord<hmmm> damn I wished I knew that you are supposed to place your types alone in a module before spending 3 hours suffering vs imports
14:29:09FromDiscord<hmmm> pls write it in the tutorial 😦
14:30:27FromDiscord<auxym> In reply to @Bubblie "I wanted to ask,": what libraries? Nim libraries? Or c++ stuff you imported via `importcpp` ?
14:30:33FromDiscord<Bubblie> nim libraries
14:30:57FromDiscord<auxym> everything nim gets statically linked together in the final executable
14:31:36FromDiscord<auxym> so yeah everything is compiled to c++, then compiled by gcc/g++ and linked
14:31:47FromDiscord<Bubblie> Holy shit thats awesome
14:32:02FromDiscord<Bubblie> So basically, it still can go at the same processing speed as c++
14:33:04FromDiscord<auxym> well yeah sort of, nim also has (optional) runtime checks and automatic memory management may have some overhead
14:34:22FromDiscord<Bubblie> Yeah Id assume so
14:34:31FromDiscord<auxym> are you doing FFI with c++? Otherwise the default C backend is likely just as fast at runtime, and has faster builds
14:34:51FromDiscord<Bubblie> Sorta, im using futhark with glfw and also using vulkan bindings ive found
14:35:44FromDiscord<Bubblie> Im still of course trying to get things to work because windows is a piece of shit
14:36:15FromDiscord<Bubblie> But, I was worried on how it may affect graphics and such and the speed the game goes at
14:36:39FromDiscord<Bubblie> I wanted to use nim for vulkan because it would pretty much eliminate a lot of the verbosity that comes with vulkan C++
14:36:47FromDiscord<Bubblie> And nim can compile down to c++
14:58:26FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @enthus1ast "not every bit of": I mean, I'd like it if it were, just can't often get to that state 😦
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15:45:26NimEventerNew Nimble package! ssz_serialization - Nim implementation of the Ethereum SSZ serialization format, see https://github.com/status-im/nim-ssz-serialization
15:45:26NimEventerNew Nimble package! taskpools - lightweight, energy-efficient, easily auditable threadpool, see https://github.com/status-im/nim-taskpools
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16:38:29FromDiscord<untoreh> is there a macro to apply a pragma to multiple statemetns?
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17:05:16FromDiscord<hmmm> broskis what is the standard way to setup a proc that needs to return one of 3 values? do we have a bool plus plus 🤔
17:06:09FromDiscord<huantian> Bool plus plus?
17:06:14FromDiscord<hmmm> lol it was a joke
17:06:18FromDiscord<huantian> Do you want like a enum?
17:06:43FromDiscord<hmmm> yea I think I need to use an enum I just wanted to know if it's the standard way people do it
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17:07:15FromDiscord<huantian> Yeah
17:07:27FromDiscord<hmmm> ty huan
17:07:31FromDiscord<huantian> Depending though an Option[bool] might be better
17:07:45FromDiscord<huantian> If you want to describe true, false, and no value
17:08:11FromDiscord<hmmm> yea, hmm it's something like true false and falsefalse
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17:08:44FromDiscord<hmmm> like a double nested if with an else as a false and the second one as falsefalse
17:09:53FromDiscord<hmmm> maybe I should tell araq the future of programming is bool ++ 😃
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17:15:08FromDiscord<Rika> yeah then an Option[bool] is correct
17:15:51FromDiscord<kevin> best nimthonic way to iterate over 2 characters in a string (instead of 1)?
17:16:16FromDiscord<Rika> sliding window or every 2?
17:16:20FromDiscord<kevin> every 2
17:16:28FromDiscord<hmmm> In reply to @kevin "best nimthonic way to": yea I was just trying it, option bool is the way
17:16:41FromDiscord<Rika> maybe use index + `countup(start,end,step)`
17:16:49FromDiscord<kevin> so like `"test_string"` would chunk into `"te" , "st" "_s", ... etc`
17:18:29FromDiscord<auxym> yeah countup with step = 2
17:33:04FromDiscord<kevin> 😬
17:33:05FromDiscord<kevin> lol
17:33:09FromDiscord<kevin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TRC
17:33:36FromDiscord<kevin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TRE
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17:41:56FromDiscord<hmmm> friendsies a proc that returns bool, will auto set result to true in all cases?
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17:50:04FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> to false in any case, but i dont know if it would, probably errors out
17:51:14FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> to false
17:51:28FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TRL
17:51:55FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> i think {.noInit.} avoids this
17:52:16FromDiscord<Recruit_main707> doesnt seem so
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18:19:21FromDiscord<xxM0ha> If i made a http post requests ↵The response will be saved in the ram↵Can i remove the response from the ram after i read it?
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18:19:27FromDiscord<xxM0ha> Because it’s too many requests and it’s effect on the ram
18:19:47FromDiscord<xxM0ha> I was using httpclient library
18:20:03FromDiscord<that_dude> yeah enum sounds like the simplest way to get what you want
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18:58:02FromDiscord<huantian> The response will be deleted when it goes out of scope
19:01:19FromDiscord<Solitude> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TS9
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23:15:32FromDiscord<xxM0ha> The semaphore timeout period has expired
23:15:34FromDiscord<xxM0ha> What is that
23:16:59FromDiscord<auxym> context? code that produces the error?
23:19:19FromDiscord<xxM0ha> In reply to @auxym "context? code that produces": Iam doing parallel http requests with async and httpclient so when i reach like 900 requests ↵The requests stop sending ↵And this error shows in except
23:20:56FromDiscord<xxM0ha> And it consume the ram very much
23:21:09FromDiscord<xxM0ha> (edit) "it" => "it’s"
23:27:15FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> In reply to @xxM0ha "Iam doing parallel http": you might consider trying async/await of the nim-chronos library and its `apps/http/httpclient` module, see if you have better luck↵↵also, can you give an example of your current code?
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23:28:01FromDiscord<xxM0ha> In reply to @michaelb.eth "you might consider trying": https://pastebin.com/BAYbgBQS
23:28:06FromDiscord<xxM0ha> This is the code
23:33:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> That seems to be a issue on windows related to drive, or network speed
23:34:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Seems you could be oversaturating one of your resources
23:37:52FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> each of the iterations of the for loop is running requests in a while loop, so seems like you could be creating a lot of contention
23:38:03FromDiscord<michaelb.eth> (edit) "requests" => "one request after another"
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