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00:00:28flaviuThey may be bullshit, but they are bullshit *everybody* knows and understands already
00:01:08Araqlol
00:01:22flaviuBTW, the spec says that comparison is implementation defined
00:01:41flaviuDepending on the usecase for the comparison
00:02:25Araqgood
00:04:47flaviuAlso, ssh:/hg@hg//hg/foo/bar is easy.
00:04:47flaviuscheme: ssh, username: hg, hostname: hg, path: /hg/foo/, filename: bar
00:05:16Araqah!
00:05:56Araqso it's not "colon double slash" but "colon slash <optional stuff> slash"
00:06:25Araqbut then that would yield ssh:///hg/foo/bar ?
00:06:50flaviutel:+1-816-555-1212 is a valid URI fyi
00:06:54flaviuno slash nessesary
00:07:07Araqbut yeah, everybody knows this
00:08:42flaviuhttp://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#appendix-A
00:08:56flaviuIts hard to explain BNF without actually using BNF
00:10:43flaviuthe second example is even easier:
00:10:43flaviuscheme: ssh, path: ///hg/foo/bar
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00:11:01Araq"Substantial effort to reduce the incidence of false negatives is
00:11:03Araq often cost-effective for web spiders. Therefore, they implement even
00:11:05Araq more aggressive techniques in URI comparison. For example, if they
00:11:06Araq observe that a URI such as
00:11:08Araq http://example.com/data
00:11:09Araq redirects to a URI differing only in the trailing slash
00:11:11Araq http://example.com/data/
00:11:12Araq they will likely regard the two as equivalent in the future."
00:11:17flaviuWait, your first example is malformed
00:11:22Araqnow this says everything there is to say about this "feature"
00:11:23flaviuyou need ssh://
00:11:55Araqperhaps, I can look it up for you tomorrow
00:12:52flaviubut ssh:/hg%40hg//hg/foo/bar is valid
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00:38:59VarriountAraq: Maybe I should use sameFile() then, and fall back on cmpPath for when the target file doesn't exist.
01:06:48VarriountUh, who last modified compiler argument parsing?
01:07:01VarriountBecause now compiler arguments aren't working.
01:14:20OrionPKif only there was a way to look at the history of that module :P
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01:15:43VarriountOh wait, it was command line sillyness.
01:16:46VarriountApparently in '--excludePath:"C:\Nimrod\lib\pure\" ' the last '\' escapes the quote
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03:08:40flaviuVarriount: FYI, you can skip the quotes
03:12:06adoniscikhow can you write a converter for tuples? I Want to be able to convert all the elements with one converter function, if that's possible. I used a for loop but the compiler balked, saying it cannot evaluate the index at compile time
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03:20:22flaviuadoniscik: I don't think a general solution is possible
03:21:11flaviuYou'll have to make a converter for each type parameter of each arity
03:21:32adoniscikno possibility of using varargs ?
03:52:27flaviusorry, didn't see your message
03:52:39flaviubut I can't see how varargs would work here
03:53:16flaviuI wonder how a macro would work
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04:04:53adoniscikI'm still learning when to use macros vs templates vs procs and what each can do that the others can't
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06:24:24adoniscikwhy does var (x,y) = (1,2) work but var x,y:int ; (x,y)=(1,2) doesn't?
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07:33:34Skrylardom96: sorry about 1408. I didn't expect it to actually get merged after reactormonk asked for tests
07:34:10Skrylar(i just noticed the merge happened because i popped open the PR to comment about the tests)
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07:36:10Skrylarreactormonk: ping
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12:09:38Skrylarflaviu: 'morning
12:09:51flaviuhi
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12:30:26Skrylarflaviu: i made more progress on the siphash refactor earlier
12:31:08flaviuDid you get it to be equivalent to the C implementation?
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12:34:11Skrylarflaviu: hm? it already was.
12:34:26Skrylarthe refactor is making it so you you can do the hash piecemeal
12:34:42flaviuI'm working the other way around lol
12:34:53Skrylarlol?
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12:35:42flaviuI wrote it piecemeal, but am making it hash strings according to how the C version works
12:36:02Skrylarheh.
12:36:10Skrylarthe one in skHash already did that IIRC
12:36:37Skrylari have the piecemeal version almost working; it seems to jam up on the 8-byte rounds for some reason right now
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12:52:24Skrylarflaviu: nevermind. apparently i just misplaced one b assignment
12:52:31Skrylari moved that over and it passes the unit tests
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14:43:53Araq_EXetoC: do you have an up to date wrapper for zeromq?
14:44:07woodgiraffeIs there some solid way I could drop the let/var and make nimrod always take my declaration as var like python?
14:44:56Araq_you can have a template := that works like this:
14:44:58EXetoCAraq_: nope
14:44:58Araq_x := 3
14:45:09Araq_is transformed into var x = 3, woodgiraffe
14:45:14woodgiraffeAraq_: ahh nice
14:45:36Araq_but then you still have := vs =
14:45:42woodgiraffeAraq_: indeed
14:46:09Araq_woodgiraffe: var/let is a small price to pay for sane scoping rules
14:47:12woodgiraffeAraq_: gotcha, tho for some DSLs I expect the seperation might not matter that much
14:47:51woodgiraffebut it's nothing that matters too much
15:19:04DemosAraq, you should really consider fixing the bugs with really long type sections
15:22:01Araq_Demos: what bugs do you mean?
15:22:24Demosif you have a really long type section the types can not reference each other
15:22:56Araq_er ... that has never been reported
15:23:00Araq_it
15:23:07Demosreally...
15:23:12Araq_it's new for me
15:23:29Demosonce I pair down this type section I will work on reproducing it
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15:29:15Demosmaybe it is just if one type is more than about 700 lines
15:32:54Araq_well you must not have const sections etc in between
15:33:44Demosyeah it turned out it was a misplaced comment that was causing invalid indentation in the middle of the type, this was reported as "could not find suchandsuch"
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15:49:54Araq_makes sense
15:50:12Araq_I still have some unmerged branch which makes comment handling much more permissive
15:55:13woodgiraffeDoes nimrod come with post/preincrement builtin i.e. x++ ?
15:56:02def-woodgiraffe: no
15:56:09woodgiraffedef-: ty
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16:00:37def-you can easily make your own ++x, but x++ wouldn't work syntactically
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16:04:52Araq_we can make x++ work, but people are already scared about what is possible in nimrod ;-)
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16:07:37woodgiraffe:)
16:13:16Demoswell there is inc
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16:17:47Araq_Demos: yeah but people don't like it, cause it's different
16:18:14DemosI like it
16:18:24Demosit is not a postincrement I guess
16:18:41Demosbut for christ sake lets stop using x++ and ++x in clever ways
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16:19:52Demoshmmmm I can not set a const to high(culonglong)
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16:24:25def-Demos: uint64 has no high because it's no ordinal
16:24:46Demosbut if I just type in the high value (18446744073709551615) it says it is out of range
16:26:32def-Demos: add a 'u64
16:26:47def-const x = 0xFF_FF_FF_FF_FF_FF_FF_FF'u64
16:27:00y2f0Hey, I'm running into a compile error when targeting cpp on osx. Whenever I import the os module I get various "use of undeclared identifier 'abs'" errors. Is this a known issue?
16:27:02Demosthat did not work, let me try the hex one
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16:28:30def-y2f0: https://github.com/Araq/Nimrod/issues/925
16:28:31Demosit works in hex
16:28:40def-y2f0: try the devel branch
16:28:54Fx00Fhi
16:28:59def-hi Fx00F
16:29:15y2f0ah cool, thanks. Looked through the issues but didn't spot this one
16:29:19y2f0I'll try that lets see how it goes
16:29:54Fx00Fdo we have syntax sugar for nested for loops? I'm thinking of something like: for i, j, k in 0 .. N, M, L
16:30:10def-Fx00F: i wrote something like that somewhere
16:31:43def-Fx00F: with a custom iterator only though: http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Forest_fire#Nimrod
16:32:15Demosholy carp c2nim can do anon unions now
16:32:24Demosand anon structs as well (even though I do not think they are standard
16:32:41Demoseven an anon struct INSIDE an anon union
16:32:44Demoswow!
16:46:43y2f0def-: nice, devel worked. Thanks again. I'm getting back to wrapping some code
16:47:26Fx00Fdef-: interesting, thanks
16:50:49Araq_Demos: it
16:50:58Araq_is in its own repository now
16:51:05DemosI know
16:51:18Araq_I swear I'll kill this keyboard ...
16:51:26Araq_this is unacceptable
16:51:42flaviuAll keyboards are like that...
16:51:43Araq_no < > # keys
16:52:04Fx00Fyou can always copy/paste those
16:52:31Araq_Fx00F: I do
16:52:38Araq_but it's not acceptable
16:52:47Araq_try editing some xml
16:53:05flaviuFx00F: Great way to interrupt your flow, too
16:53:30Fx00Fyou can always remap your keys
16:54:12flaviuYou could also get a new keyboard
16:54:26Araq_yeah, will do that
16:54:28Fx00Fno way
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16:57:51Demosbable is giving me "SSL support is not available" errors, I did not build it with noSSL
17:00:22Araq_you need to build with -d:SSL iirc
17:00:58Araq_and yeah this dependency is annoying, maybe dom96 can do something about it
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17:09:19Demosthat did not seem to work
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17:12:24Demoswhat does the tlsEmulation:on option do?
17:12:52Demosoh, thread local storage
17:12:55Demosnothing to do with ssl
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17:43:41def-Demos: example of your code? -d:ssl always worked for me
17:44:06def-Demos: oh wait, babel
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18:29:30dom96Demos: You can just download packages.json manually and place it in ~/.babel/packages.json
18:34:47Demosgood idea, but actually installing a package will probably also fail
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18:43:06dom96nope
18:43:52dom96as long as you have git/hg
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19:38:16EXetoCAraq: need 0mq for anything?
19:38:47EXetoCI haven't touched any nimrod code in over a month
19:41:23AraqEXetoC: no, but the wrapper we have is broken
19:41:39Araqshame on you, program in nimrod
19:42:40EXetoCgot lazy and started using löve for lua
19:47:20VarriountMeep
19:52:00EXetoCusing moonscript now, which is a little more pleasant to use. can't hide all the bad things though
19:52:32Trixar_zawat
19:52:54EXetoCTrixar_za: a language that compiles to lua
19:53:12Trixar_zaNo, but LOVE :|
19:53:34EXetoC2d framework
19:53:49Demosclone love in nimrod!
19:54:57Trixar_zaI know - but it's not exactly pleasant. And have you tried getting it to run on Linux systems that it's not designed for. Painful and dependency hell for something that in itself is mediocre at best.
19:55:23EXetoCpeople smarter than me are working on similar libs
19:55:27Trixar_zaI hate it with a passion :P
19:55:39EXetoCor maybe they haven't gotten far still. I haven't heard any news
19:56:05EXetoCreally?
19:56:16Trixar_zaAlso good luck getting love games to run on said systems
19:57:32Trixar_zaI've tried pretty much every language I could find and learn easily enough. I like Lua, but love isn't my favorite framework.
19:59:08EXetoCwhat are the alternatives?
20:00:03Trixar_zaI'm pretty sure there exists several alternatives. Lua has become the official scripting language for several game engines.
20:01:23Araqunreal 4 is C++ only
20:01:40EXetoCthey abandoned the scripting language?
20:01:41Araqthey finally figured out that a scripting layer is a huge pain
20:01:45EXetoCok
20:02:46EXetoCfor the users? it did seem a little strange, but I never really learned it
20:02:47Demosunreal was never lua though
20:03:03Demosand nobody actually ever wanted to use unread script
20:03:13Demosbecause it was horrible
20:03:36Araqlast time I checked it was much better than Lua
20:03:56Araqstatically typed, object model optimized for games
20:04:03Araqiirc
20:06:06Matthias247I think the main problem with writing extensions (logic) in c(++) is long compilation times and then the extensions are plattform dependent and therefore not easily distributable by mod writers
20:06:38Matthias247lua fixes that both. But I also think a typed object model has advantages
20:07:17Demosscripting langs are eaiser to do hotloading and stuff with as well
20:07:33Demosand nobody really wants to write all the c++ boilerplate for a lot of stuff
20:08:14Araqwe'll get hot code swapping too
20:08:20Matthias247with roslyn you can now also do some pretty coole scripting in C#
20:08:29Araqyeah
20:08:30Matthias247But that might require your game to be in C# too
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20:11:27Matthias247I just used some groovy scripting in a Java project at work. That was also quite easy to set up. But somehow the script have access to all Java functions and types - that still scares me
20:15:12Fx00FAraq: in what sense is a script layer a huge pain?
20:15:51EXetoCTrixar_za: what makes it mediocre? seems alright to me
20:18:02Trixar_zaIt doesn't build much on Lua, and the portability and stand-alone issues. It's not bad, but external factors make it mediocre.
20:19:12Trixar_zaActually, I was pretty excited when I originally found it.
20:27:04AraqFx00F: incompatible data types, poor cross language debugging support, lots of tedious wrapper code
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23:42:35OrionPKDemos getting latest on VisualNimrod I'm getting "Error 106 Cannot find the interop type that matches the embedded interop type 'Microsoft.VisualStudio.Shell.Interop.IVsToolboxItemProvider'. Are you missing an assembly reference?"
23:43:45Demoswhen building?
23:43:48OrionPKyeah
23:44:13Demosthat is strange, I seem to remember running into that before and it may have been something in the userprefs
23:44:26Demoswhat project is it on?
23:44:31OrionPKNimrodProject
23:44:38Demosdont build that
23:44:57OrionPKwhats it for
23:45:00DemosnimrodVS is what you should be building
23:45:25DemosNimrodProject is a WIP thing to have projects based on the filesystem and not .nimprojs
23:45:34OrionPKah cool
23:45:37Demosthe filesystem and nimrod.cfg files
23:45:47Demosit is not far along yet, and I am not sure it will ever happen
23:47:02OrionPKokay
23:47:09OrionPKthere an exception w/ ranges like 0.. 5
23:47:10OrionPKI think
23:47:23OrionPKI'll add it to the bug tracker
23:50:50Demoshm, thanks, I have gotten some crashes and exceptions related to the completion window but I can never get them to happen consistently
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23:51:31DemosI am a bit miffed that the completions will come up automaticly when you enter something like that, but the fact is 0.foo is valid
23:51:53OrionPKit is, but I can't continue typing
23:57:49DemosOK I will look into it tomorrow morning