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| 08:37:56 | ftsf | suggestion: make warning codes eg [GcUnsafe] be in the docs so when people search for them they find out about that thing |
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| 09:05:56 | ftsf | hmm =\ i'm getting a Error: unhandled exception: len(a) == L seq modified while iterating over it [AssertionError], but that iteration is inside a withLock foo: as is the bit which modifies the iterable |
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| 09:19:30 | yglukhov | dom96, Araq: hi, mind merging this https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/5093 ? |
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| 09:49:09 | FromGitter | <endragor> @dom96 do you have thoughts on how Future cancellation support should be implemented? (a) how cancellation is performed? another user-supplied callback? (b) what state does the future go into upon cancellation? (c) is the completion callback invoked after cancellation? |
| 09:55:24 | cheatfate | endragor: main problem of cancelation is windows support |
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| 09:58:29 | FromGitter | <endragor> My main need is cancelling timers which are similar on all platforms. ⏎ I don't think cancelling socket operations is a common need - usually you just close the socket if you are no longer interested in it. |
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| 10:01:09 | cheatfate | endragor: its different on all platforms :) on linux we need to close timerfd and cleanup epoll queue, on bsd we need only cleanup kqueue, but on windows... we need to unregisterWait, we need to free PostCallbackData, and unref OVERLAPPED structure |
| 10:03:03 | FromGitter | <endragor> I meant emulated timers. I don't want timerfd-based timers because they are limited by the file descriptor limit |
| 10:04:43 | FromGitter | <endragor> anyway, my initial question was about API design of Futures |
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| 10:11:05 | cheatfate | endragor: defined(linux) and defined(android) is true on Android? |
| 10:12:14 | FromGitter | <endragor> @cheatfate yes |
| 10:13:13 | cheatfate | Araq, is it possible to make `defined(linux) and defined(android)` to be `false` on Android? |
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| 10:25:08 | euantor | Late response here to Araq's `do we now run around and scream Linus should reimplement Linux from scratch in order to prevent this?` |
| 10:25:21 | FromGitter | <endragor> @cheatfate you mean so that `defined(linux)` returns `false` on Android? I don't think it makes sense. |
| 10:25:49 | euantor | It seems the "in" thing these days is to say he should re-implement it in Rust because it magically cures every single possible vulnerability and solves world hunger ;) |
| 10:31:13 | cheatfate | endragor: it makes sense because it uses custom linux kernel, and custom c library... so its like subset of linux, and |
| 10:31:34 | cheatfate | it can have custom syscalls and interfaces |
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| 10:32:17 | cheatfate | and i think nim module developers must specify they support `android` |
| 10:38:30 | flyx | cheatfate: I do not see why defined(linux) should be false on android when there's already defined(android). code which uses defined(linux) *may* work on android (because it's a Linux after all) but in case that it doesn't, it needs to distinguish with defined(android) |
| 10:39:25 | flyx | setting defined(linux) false on android will needlessly make libs unusable that would work fine on android without modifications |
| 10:43:35 | cheatfate | flyx, flyx macos is based on freebsd but we have `defined(macos) and defined(freebsd)` is false, android is based on linux but for some reason we have different situation |
| 10:44:26 | yglukhov | cheatfate: afaik, android symbol is not natively supported by nim. you have to pass it externally. in out project compiling to android we tell nim to compile for linux and manually add -d:android |
| 10:44:37 | yglukhov | *our |
| 10:47:13 | cheatfate | crap |
| 10:48:54 | yglukhov | why? |
| 10:49:33 | cheatfate | yglukhov, because i think most of os specific stuff i have used not compatible with `android`. |
| 10:49:44 | flyx | cheatfate: your comparison does not make sense. Linux is a kernel. Android continuously merges Linux kernel updates into its own kernel branch. macOS' kernel (XNU), on the other hand, has almost nothing to do with the FreeBSD kernel |
| 10:52:18 | yglukhov | cheatfate: well if your problem is distinguishing between android and not android, thats simple. if your problem is making asyncdispatch work on android using different system api, thats sounds like a problem =) |
| 10:52:27 | FromGitter | <endragor> I support @flyx here. ⏎ @cheatfate so far it seems there are only 2 procs incompatible in ioselectors. You can also grep for `defined(android)` in Nim stdlib and see there are just few places where the distinguishment is necessary. |
| 10:54:14 | cheatfate | flyx, my comparison has sense, until you are not using UI, macos is compatible with bsd, because it bsd based... and they integrate most `sweat` things from bsd kernel (kqueue is example) |
| 11:19:10 | cheatfate | can i break `if elif else` branch with `when`? |
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| 12:16:08 | cheatfate | endragor: please check it https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/5096 |
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| 13:03:11 | ftsf | hmm how would you format an int as a hex string without leading zeros? |
| 13:03:37 | ftsf | seems odd that toHex adds leading zeros by default |
| 13:05:10 | ftsf | compared with printf's x which doesn't add leading zeros |
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| 13:11:02 | FromGitter | <konqoro> hello, what are the equivalents to $* and $+ from strscans to skip until the next token? |
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| 13:25:44 | flyx | ftsf: toHex(val, sizeof(val) * (int(ln(float(val)) / ln(16.0)) + 1) div 8) |
| 13:26:24 | flyx | (not to be taken too seriously, it's obviously a hack) |
| 13:27:37 | ftsf | flyx, heh, yeah |
| 13:27:45 | ftsf | can work around it, but it seems an odd choice |
| 13:28:00 | ftsf | adding padding is easy, removing it isn't |
| 13:29:04 | flyx | well I guess the implementation is more performant if size is known beforehand. else you would need to buildup the string from back to front. |
| 13:29:19 | ftsf | flyx, hmm yeah guess that makes sense |
| 13:29:46 | flyx | so calculating the correct size like I did might actually be a good thing to do |
| 13:30:12 | FromGitter | <konqoro> I will create a new issue |
| 13:30:35 | ftsf | ended up using the strfmt module which seems close to printf functionality |
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| 14:41:46 | elrood | ftsf: proc toHex(x: int): string = |
| 14:41:46 | elrood | const c="0123456789ABCDEF"; var i=0; var n=x; result=newString(16); while true: result[i]=c[n and 15]; i += 1; n = n shr 4; (if n==0: break) |
| 14:41:46 | elrood | for j in 0..i div 2-1: swap(result[j], result[i-j-1]); return result[0..i] |
| 14:41:46 | elrood | |
| 14:43:20 | elrood | maybe one day even hexchat will get proper multiline input support |
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| 19:13:49 | dom96 | endragor: Regarding Future cancellation I don't have a well thought out plan for it. But IIRC I was thinking of using exceptions to cancel futures, I think I saw the same approach used somewhere else and it inspired me. Don't know if it's a good idea though. |
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| 21:27:36 | yglukhov | Araq: ping |
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| 21:44:05 | shodan45 | how are things in nim land? I feel like I haven't been paying attention :) |
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| 23:21:27 | libman | I remember someone mentioning recent JSON performance improvements in Nim stdlib's json. What version does that apply to? |
| 23:23:41 | libman | I may be contacting my земляк who does https://github.com/kostya/benchmarks about the new version. Anything else I should mention to help Nim put its best foot forward? See his Nim bench code. |
| 23:24:25 | Araq | libman: it is in the devel branch |
| 23:24:41 | libman | Should I wait about contacting him until it's in a release? |
| 23:24:53 | Araq | yglukhov: pong, but I'm already sleeping |
| 23:25:34 | yglukhov | Araq: ok, sorry, can wait. |
| 23:25:43 | Araq | libman: it's already worth asking him whether it actually makes a difference |
| 23:27:06 | Araq | my improvements were not based on these benchmarks, so their effect is likely non measurable |
| 23:27:37 | libman | I think the success of Nim depends on its popularity, and its popularity depends on marketing, and marketing to nerds depends on numerical claims. |
| 23:28:32 | libman | Anyway, thank you very much for everything you do, and good night. :) |
| 23:28:54 | Araq | agreed but I'm not a benchmarks guy |
| 23:29:41 | Araq | and with your enthusiasm and effort you should spend a little more time and become our benchmarks guy. |
| 23:29:47 | vktec | Benchmarks don't really say much about a system |
| 23:30:02 | Araq | read about cachegrind works, how to interpret its numbers |
| 23:30:10 | Araq | run the benchmarks on your machine |
| 23:30:19 | Araq | tell us the bottlenecks |
| 23:30:21 | vktec | Look at MongoDB. Performs really well in benchmarks, but doesn't actually save data until it feels like it |
| 23:30:32 | vktec | Hence, it's very unreliable |
| 23:30:45 | Araq | stop that Mongo bashing. |
| 23:31:04 | Araq | I used it in production and it was superb for our purpose. |
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| 23:31:18 | Araq | and yes, I was aware of how it stores stuff. |
| 23:32:07 | Araq | "If I don't care about my data, I can hand it to /dev/zero, that's much faster than Mongo" |
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| 23:32:28 | Araq | ^ typical programmer statement, black and white, ignoring statistics. |
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| 23:33:00 | vktec | If reliability isn't a huge issue, Mongo will do just fine, but I don't really see much of a benefit |
| 23:33:09 | vktec | Anyway, let's not get into a DB war :) |
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| 23:33:29 | Araq | "I only need 90% of my data anyway" -- now we're talking. :P |
| 23:33:37 | vktec | Heh |
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