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| 02:49:39 | FromGitter | <vegansk> ftsf. About your toHex question, you can try this :-) https://github.com/vegansk/nimboost/blob/master/tests/boost/test_richstring.nim#L25 |
| 02:55:54 | ftsf_ | vegansk, thanks, using strfmt atm which is working for me |
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| 09:27:31 | Arrrr | import StrUtils, SeqUtils, Macros |
| 09:27:32 | Arrrr | vs |
| 09:27:40 | Arrrr | import strutils, sequtils, macros |
| 09:27:44 | Arrrr | Which one is more readable? |
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| 09:48:12 | FromGitter | <endragor> These are not the most illustrative examples - with stdlib modules the lowercase version actually reads (and writes) better, imo. The question comes when your module is smth like `staticmeshcomponents`. iirc the style guide does not mention module naming conventions. |
| 09:56:02 | Arrrr | Why is not illustrative? They are shorter, right. Still i can find a big difference between both. |
| 09:56:19 | vktec | Hmm... coming up with a short bio for myself: "Metaprogramming maniac, Lisp lover and Nim ..." Any ideas for an adjective to put in there? |
| 09:56:43 | vktec | (Preferably beginning with 'N') |
| 09:56:44 | Arrrr | For example, sin srtutils is composed of str (string) and utils (utilities), you can read them better if you capitalize each part |
| 09:56:54 | Arrrr | Nisp |
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| 10:17:41 | Araq | Arrrr: if you care about what they are composed of |
| 10:18:15 | Araq | not necessarily the case, use them often enough and they become words on thier own |
| 10:18:19 | Araq | *their |
| 10:19:01 | Araq | sequtils does not expand to "sequence utilities" in my head. |
| 10:19:59 | Arrrr | By that argument, you would not care whether a proc is named 'newSeqOfCap' or 'newseqofcap' |
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| 10:40:21 | Araq | ever looked at Lua's source code? ;-) |
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| 10:42:02 | Araq | btw is it filename or fileName? |
| 10:44:30 | Arrrr | That's a good example of an exception that, in my opinion, confirms the rule. |
| 10:44:43 | Araq | but it all misses the argument. the argument is that 'sequtils' is more readable because it's more common this way and that the name originally came from 'SeqUtils' is not interesting enough to stress it |
| 10:45:30 | Araq | I don't want to generalize the argument, it's specific for sequtils |
| 10:46:01 | Araq | and the other couple of stdlib names |
| 10:49:07 | Arrrr | Well, i was arguing in general. But, even for that case, i don't agree. It is common for those that have been used to the name for a long time, which is like to say "using raw pointers in C is better because it is common" |
| 10:49:23 | Arrrr | The way i think it is "Would newcomers prefer sequtils or SeqUtils?" |
| 10:51:47 | Araq | sequtils because it's easier to type :P |
| 10:52:13 | Araq | and again, neither Seq nor Utils are actual English words. |
| 10:52:38 | Araq | what do you prefer bugabonga or BugaBonga? |
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| 10:53:12 | euantor | sequtils all the way |
| 10:53:52 | euantor | or start falling the pit that D and C# have fallen into: Std.Collections.Generic.Sequences.Utilities |
| 10:54:10 | euantor | Or something equally as daft |
| 10:55:29 | Araq | the name sequtils was picked over sequence_utilities because it's much easier to write. it's only consequent then to use lowercase for it then. |
| 10:57:03 | Araq | Writability is seriously underrated these days. :P |
| 10:58:09 | Arrrr | Ok, your argument here is "Easier to type". That's true, but you will spend more time reading your imports that writting them. Maybe you write it once, and many people will have to write them many times. You might have to spend a little more by pressing shift, but you will reduce the workload to readers. |
| 10:59:25 | Arrrr | By the way, i don't think is a bad idea to have strutils and sequtils inside an "utilities" or whatever folder. Usually, when i import one, i import the other too |
| 10:59:38 | Arrrr | I could simply do "import utilities.*" |
| 11:00:28 | Araq | 1. that kind of import doesn't exist |
| 11:00:58 | Araq | 2. include prelude |
| 11:02:10 | Araq | 3. people don't read code like they read novels, the import list is mostly maintained as a necessary evil, it's not "read". (my claim) |
| 11:03:43 | Araq | most Java IDEs don't show the import list and can maintain it for you. |
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| 11:06:18 | Arrrr | But "there is no other choice than import" doesn't impede using the same naming conventions as types, for example. |
| 11:06:35 | Arrrr | It won't be as useful, alright. |
| 11:09:03 | Araq | vktec: "enthusiast"? |
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| 11:16:59 | vktec | Araq: I was hoping for something starting with N, for the alliteration. I might go with "nutter" :P |
| 11:17:29 | Araq | ok ... |
| 11:17:53 | Araq | alternatively we could quickly rename the language to Enim |
| 11:17:58 | vktec | Hehe |
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| 15:06:24 | Varriount|Mobile | vktec: Nim neologist |
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| 21:16:17 | vktec | Are there Nim stickers available anywhere? |
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| 21:32:45 | PMunch | vktec, I've been thinking about printing some :P |
| 21:33:23 | vktec | You could try to get unixstickers.com to do it |
| 21:36:06 | dom96 | I've bought 50 a while back from sticker mule |
| 21:36:13 | dom96 | Got one on my laptop :) |
| 21:37:05 | vktec | Cool |
| 21:37:06 | dom96 | I really want to create a shop on nim-lang.org for these things |
| 21:37:11 | PMunch | I've got a roll of sticker paper at home, but I'm not sure how much of a beating it can take |
| 21:37:25 | vktec | dom96: I'm assuming you've got a few left over :P |
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| 21:38:38 | dom96 | vktec: I think so, although they've probably been crushed in my backpack by now. |
| 21:39:07 | vktec | Heh |
| 21:39:44 | vktec | How much were they? I might get some and hand 'em out to anyone I can convince to try Nim :P |
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| 21:41:08 | dom96 | $39 + $3.90 for shipping |
| 21:42:25 | vktec | Cool |
| 21:43:25 | dom96 | I was thinking we could sell stickers on nim-lang and maybe make some profit then use it for development :) |
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| 21:46:48 | vktec | Good idea |
| 21:49:42 | PMunch | Yeah I've been wanting to buy something like that for Nim :) |
| 21:53:47 | gangstacat | would they be the crown or the bear? 8) |
| 21:58:31 | gangstacat | in fact it's more like a "polecat"? |
| 21:58:43 | gangstacat | https://github.com/nim-lang/assets/blob/master/Art/mascot.svg |
| 22:01:29 | PMunch | gangstacat, I think it's a honeybadger |
| 22:02:48 | gangstacat | oh, yeah, seems like hehe, anyway, that would be a nice idea I want a Nim crown sticker on my laptop :p |
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| 23:12:09 | dom96 | gangstacat: The mascot is deprecated |
| 23:12:14 | dom96 | So let's stick to the crown |
| 23:12:30 | gangstacat | (: |
| 23:12:41 | dom96 | Plus, me and Araq (and some other people that visited OSCON a year ago) have stickers with the Nim crown. |
| 23:14:09 | dom96 | you can see the sticker in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJEBs_Nnaw :) |
| 23:16:45 | gangstacat | yes, would be could to have the choice between the full logo with the name or without though :p |
| 23:17:16 | Varriount|Mobile | Nim: The only programming language to have a mascot which scares small children. :3 |
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| 23:17:57 | gangstacat | would be cool* |
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| 23:38:12 | libman | The reason Crystal bypassed Nim in popularity (at least going by GitHub stars) is because it had a clear target audience: Ruby programmers. |
| 23:38:47 | libman | If Nim was to have a "Pythonic skin" and appealed to Python programmers, it would be more popular by now. |
| 23:39:36 | dom96 | libman: if only someone could write one ... :P |
| 23:40:13 | libman | I bring this up because it might affect a mascot discussion. I kinda missed it before, didn't know about the honeybadger/whateveritis. |
| 23:41:35 | libman | Maybe Nim's mascot should be a genetically engineered new creature symbolizing the synthesis of a python with something else... |
| 23:43:50 | libman | What animal is associated with C? |
| 23:45:08 | * | libman is trying to figure out http://www.oreilly.com/animals.csp :P |
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| 23:46:53 | libman | What animal is Lazarus / FreePascal? |
| 23:47:40 | * | libman ponders what a half-cheetah half-python would look like... |
| 23:48:27 | libman | Or a lion, king of the jungle. ROAR! |
| 23:48:41 | * | libman gets dragged away from computer by doctors in white coats. |
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