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00:02:58FromDiscord<Goat> Using pararules feels like I'm using some sort of internal database inside of Nim itself
00:03:36FromDiscord<Goat> Reminds me of Picolisp's integrated database
00:40:03FromDiscord<auxym> yeah zach's talk was really interesting. out of curiosity, are you using pararules for a game or something else?
00:58:05FromDiscord<Goat> I am considering using it for another game that isn't NimHack but right now I'm making a simple note managing thign with it to learn the ropes
01:00:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Anyone have any more entries for TMWN?
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02:06:28FromDiscord<grubarb> Hi, I'm new here and want to get more involved with the nim language, I have a use case to make a CLI and was wondering if Nim has any popular CLI frameworks like Click in Python?
02:07:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/c-blake/cligen is generally the goto nim CLI helper
02:08:10FromDiscord<Goat> Nim also has a port of docopt
02:10:34FromDiscord<Goat> https://github.com/docopt/docopt.nim
02:10:53FromDiscord<grubarb> awesome, thanks
02:12:39FromDiscord<huantian> https://github.com/iffy/nim-argparse↵argparse is also a decent one
02:13:18FromDiscord<ajusa> Nim doesn't have anything for gRPC right, just protobuf? I did a quick search and noticed there was a forum thread related to this recently
02:13:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959274363633426452/image.png
02:14:49FromDiscord<ajusa> Rip, thanks for the fairly conclusive answer
02:15:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just only use Nim and modify my RPC API
02:16:02FromDiscord<ajusa> But I want to use protocol buffers
02:16:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm joking
02:17:25FromDiscord<ajusa> this is a slightly crazy route I'm taking, but rather than writing an openapi -> Nim library, turns out there is already openapi -> protobuf/gRPC. I can get all the types from that using the status library, but was making sure nobody already had a gRPC library.
02:17:49FromDiscord<ajusa> also I'll have something for TMWN next month probably
02:30:43FromDiscord<Goat> whats tmwn?
02:30:56FromDiscord<huantian> This Month With Nim
02:30:57FromDiscord<huantian> I think
02:31:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This month with nim, a monthly collection of projects and libraries in development with Nim
02:32:44FromDiscord<Goat> Ah
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02:42:12nrds<Prestige99> hmm
02:42:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> mmh
02:42:34nrds<Prestige99> Maybe I should submit something to that, sometime
02:42:34FromDiscord<huantian> hrmm
02:43:04FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Perhaps
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02:57:20FromDiscord<Patitotective> shouldn't `a += 1` be a template for `a = a + 1`?
02:57:37FromDiscord<Patitotective> so i don't have to define a `+=` proc, only a `+` proc
02:58:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You know you can do that right?
02:58:43FromDiscord<Patitotective> yea but, shouldn't that be the default behaviour?
02:58:49FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "behaviour?" => "behavior?"
02:59:07FromDiscord<Patitotective> or is there some reason for not doing that
02:59:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Do you always want a `+=` if `+` is defined is something i'd ask, perhaps i dont know
03:01:37FromDiscord<Patitotective> hmm, i think i get what are you saying↵maybe it should be in an additional useful templates stdlib
03:02:57FromDiscord<Patitotective> (edit) "hmm, i think i get what are you saying↵maybe it should be in an additional useful templates stdlib ... " added "(?)"
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03:48:41LuxuryModeWhat are the best options for writing REST APIs in Nim. I've seen httpbeast, but not sure what else is out there.
03:49:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://nimble.directory/search?query=rest I dont know anything about rest apis so can only point you here
03:50:17LuxuryModeThanks
03:50:40LuxuryModeLooks like I missed jester https://github.com/dom96/jester which is built on top of httpbeast
03:59:08FromDiscord<spoon> ye, jester is great
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04:13:22NimEventerNew thread by KerryC: Define proc that is called from imported module, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9063
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04:21:47FromDiscord<huantian> You might also find more info somewhere in the webdev channel↵(<@709044657232936960_=4cuxury=4dode=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
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06:07:38NimEventerNew thread by Araq: SiSix and Nim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9064
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07:34:23FromDiscord<aph> is there a nim thing similar to this: https://docs.python.org/3/library/struct.html/ btw
07:34:36FromDiscord<aph> i wanna rewrite a parser or smth
07:35:32PMunchbinaryparse/binarylang are both similar
07:35:44FromDiscord<aph> hmm, thanks! will look into it
07:35:47FromDiscord<aph> (edit) "it" => "it!"
07:36:15PMunchThere's apparently also a struct module based off-on the Python one: https://github.com/OpenSystemsLab/struct.nim
07:36:41FromDiscord<aph> 👀
07:36:45FromDiscord<aph> nice, thanks!
08:09:54FromDiscord<qb> How would I convert a bytestring to a seq[byte] again? https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TZE
08:10:15FromDiscord<qb> (edit) "bytestring" => "hex byte string"
08:10:26FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> you can cast it back
08:11:19PMunch@qb, why are you converting it to a string in the first place?
08:11:48PMunchTo get that back you'd need a parser
08:13:34FromDiscord<qb> I'm still on my byte pattern scan thingy. I actually want to pass a hex byte string to that function and compare it to a huge seq[byte]. Casting that huge seq[byte] pages to a hex byte string leads into performance issues
08:14:54FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `toOpenArray`?
08:17:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I dont see why you need to cast it to anything
08:20:10PMunch@qb, what you should do instead is convert the small pattern to a seq[byte] instead and then write your pattern scanning based on seq[byte] instead
08:20:54FromDiscord<qb> Yea that's what I'm trying to do 😄
08:21:14FromDiscord<qb> So all I need is actually convert a byte hex string to a seq[byte]
08:21:30FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's a "byte hex string" in this case?
08:21:40PMunch"FA 05 7B"
08:21:46FromDiscord<qb> cast[string](seq[byte]).toHex()
08:21:46FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah ok
08:22:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> This is a scanning algo?
08:22:42PMunchA loop with https://nim-lang.org/docs/strutils.html#parseHexInt%2Cstring where you first check if the two next characters are "??" should get you where you need
08:23:03PMunchOf course you'd need some way to store ?? positions
08:23:51PMunch@Elegantbeef, yes, from a previous paste they want to specify a pattern like "FA ?? 05 7B" and then pass in a sequence of bytes and find the first index which matches that.
08:23:54FromDiscord<qb> Yea I'm reading memory pages from a process and want to scan that memory with patterns. I'm currently using regex and casting the huge pages into string.toHex(). https://github.com/qb-0/PyMeow/blob/master/src/windows/memory.nim#L141
08:24:09FromDiscord<qb> Which performs pretty bad
08:24:31PMunchNo surprise there :P
08:24:51FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah ok
08:24:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea dont use regex everererer 😛
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08:25:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm kidding, pmunch put the pitchfork away
08:25:26PMunchHaha :P
08:25:45PMunchBy the way, why did you close my Futhark this month in Nim thing?
08:26:49FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Why do you think
08:26:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I added it and submitted the PR
08:27:04PMunchAh right :P
08:27:13PMunchThat's what I expected, just wanted to make sure
08:27:25FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> qb personally i'd use an iterator for this
08:28:54PMunchJust make sure not to do the parsing every iteration
08:32:07FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Fill in the blank 😛
08:32:12FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TZJ
08:32:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'd personally make the needle a `seq[Option[byte]]`
08:33:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> pmunch you use arch right?
08:39:21PMunchYup
08:40:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> wouldnt want to quickly try to cross compile a owlkettle program would you?
08:40:27PMunchSure
08:41:35FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You need the mingw-gtk3.0 package(which debian doesnt have, which is why i'm interested in seeing if it is simpler when it's there), but here's the code https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TZL
08:42:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I did find a bund of the build libraries, and compiled with it, but it didnt run so figured the setup i used was less than ideal
08:48:17PMunchOkay, installing that package and the trillion dependencies it has now
08:48:21PMunchJust give me a minute
08:49:05FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Always weird hearing someone ask for time when they're doing something they could've said "no" to 😛
09:10:44FromDiscord<aph> which IDE do yall use for nim?
09:11:14FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> I'm presently using Kate with the Nimlsp as my editor, prior i was using vscodium and saem's extension
09:11:31FromDiscord<aph> hmm
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09:12:48FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> hmm indeed
09:15:03FromDiscord<aph> meh, i'ma use the `cat` command to write nim files
09:15:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Have fun
09:17:06FromDiscord<aph> "fun"
09:20:43PMunchI use Vim
09:20:55PMunchAt least use sed :P
09:21:09FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Just use echo and pipe to a file
09:37:39FromDiscord<hmmm> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TZQ
09:40:32FromDiscord<Tanguy> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3TZR
09:41:22FromDiscord<hmmm> lol you are right, I returned at the wrong ident point 😃
09:41:23FromDiscord<Zoom> It literally says what the matter is. Wording isn't great (you can read that "or" as "code after ... {.noReturn.} proc" ?)
09:45:11FromDiscord<hmmm> ah guys if I have a path C:\\thing\\file.jpg is there some strutils facility to get the dir C:\\thing
09:48:11FromDiscord<hmmm> oh we have os splitfile
10:07:11FromDiscord<enthus1ast> Do you have your vim config up somewhere?↵(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
10:07:46FromDiscord<enthus1ast> I've only rudimentary nim support in my (n)vim
10:08:28PMunchHmm, not really, but there's nothing secret in there so I can share it
10:09:05PMunchhttp://ix.io/3TZV
10:09:27PMunchObviously a lot of stuff there which isn't Nim related
10:10:19NimEventerNew thread by Didlybom: Choosing the nim installation folder used by choosenim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9065
10:17:42FromDiscord<Phil> beeeeeef (ElegantBeef), I've got a constructor question because I'm getting unexpected behaviour
10:25:38FromDiscord<enthus1ast> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U01
10:53:21PMunchHmm, I just Ctrl+z to put Vim in the background, then run whatever Nim command I need
10:53:28PMunchThen fg to bring it back
10:57:23FromDiscord<fbpyr> ahh.. so that was the "magic" 🪄 ✨ I saw in the aoc streams.. 🙂
10:57:44PMunchMagic?
10:58:03PMunchOh when Vim just suddenly disappeared and reappeared?
10:58:37FromDiscord<fbpyr> exactly - well, the reappearing I understood, as I saw `fg`
10:58:59FromDiscord<fbpyr> but not the ctrl+z
10:59:09PMunchYeah seeing people edit in Vim can be a bit confusing sometimes :P
10:59:49PMunchBy the way, ctrl+z works for anything, have a long running process you want to pause for a while? Ctrl+z
10:59:58PMunchWant to see running tasks in your shell? jobs
11:00:18PMunchWant to resume a specific one? fg %2
11:00:29PMunchSend the current task to the background? bg
11:00:47FromDiscord<fbpyr> ah nice - thanks for the hint! so far I only hit ctrl+z accidentally.. 😂
11:01:03PMunchHaha :P
11:01:28PMunchBy the way, background tasks will still write to the terminal, if you want to stop that you can use `disown -h %1`
11:01:41PMunchThe % numbers are the numbers from `jobs`
11:03:06FromDiscord<fbpyr> cool! 🙂 now I need to figure out how to use this neat trick with my preferred terminal editor `micro`
11:03:41FromDiscord<fbpyr> ..it has ctrl+z mapped to undo.. 🙂
11:03:54FromDiscord<fbpyr> will fiddle with the keybindings..
11:04:11PMunchAh yeah that won't work :P
11:04:35FromDiscord<Zoom> I tried to autocmd my Vim for Nim but was not entirely successful and was tired of quickedit popping up. So, back to ctrl-z
11:24:31NimEventerNew thread by Veksha: [Karax] "include" statement doesn't work correctly inside karax DSL, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/9066
11:54:20PMunchSoo, I just turned this into a library: https://github.com/PMunch/autotemplate
12:03:04FromDiscord<hmmm> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U0m
12:03:56FromDiscord<Zoom> You don't have a name for your tuple argument
12:03:57FromDiscord<hmmm> ohhhhhhhhh
12:03:59FromDiscord<exelotl> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U0n
12:04:00FromDiscord<hmmm> ty
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12:05:51FromDiscord<Rika> Imagine using burger though
12:07:58FromDiscord<hmmm> you know what, I'm using burger in production, and leaving a comment #ty exelotl, no one can stop me from doing what is right 😄
12:12:31FromDiscord<Zoom> Threading question. I'm passing a basic typed variable to some threads for signalling. The vars are written only by a parent thread and only accessed for reads by all other threads. Am I correct, that using `Atomic` is enough for this, and I can omit locking the vars?
12:14:35FromDiscord<Zoom> Also, not having explicit ownership or at least views make the code frail, if I ever forget the "one writer multiple readers" relationship.
12:15:22FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Zoom "Threading question. I'm passing": Sounds good to me
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12:22:48PMunchYeah that should be fine
12:38:02FromDiscord<Zoom> The more robust alternative for one-time signal would be waiting on a channel, with non-blocking `tryRecv`, am I right? Since we can't just open/close our impl, what would be the optimal dummy stuff to send? A bool?
12:38:25FromDiscord<Zoom> We can't use `void` for this...
12:39:50PMunchSending a bool over a channel would certainly also work
12:40:03PMunchAlthough that probably has a bit more overhead than just setting an atomic bool
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13:54:22NimEventerNew Nimble package! gimg - Google Images scraper lib and CLI, see https://gitlab.com/lurlo/gimg
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13:57:57PMunch@Elegantbeef, I'm unable to install the package because the Gnome gitlab instance is currently down..
14:01:23nrds<Prestige99> autotemplate looks cool PMunch
14:01:34PMunchThanks :)
14:02:56PMunchIt's quite a simple idea, now we only need automatic parsing of requests into types and we can have fully type-safe routes :)
14:03:49PMunchThat is the idea behind this, you would write routes which return a type, not some formatted string. Then the logic for how to turn a type into a formatted string is done via templates
14:04:04PMunchOf course it could be used for anything, not only web servers
14:04:16FromDiscord<mratsim> In reply to @PMunch "<@145405730571288577>, I'm unable to": Mmmmh I tried to install a gnome package last weekend and it was already down
14:04:52PMunchI want to add Nimja support as well, but I'm not sure how I'd do it without requiring Nimja as an import
14:05:13PMunchMaybe I'll just give the user the ability to pass in any block as the formatter
14:05:23PMunch@mratsim, really? That's a bit strange
14:06:25nrds<Prestige99> hm there aren't any nim "linters" are there?
14:06:32nrds<Prestige99> or am I oblivious
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14:09:57PMunchDepends on how you define linter I guess
14:12:09nrds<Prestige99> looking for something that can enforce code style; like tell it to use camel case, maximum line length, etc
14:12:28nrds<Prestige99> Wonder how crazy of a project it would be to try making a very useful linter..
14:13:03FromDiscord<enthus1ast> on windows everything (vim at least) will crash↵(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
14:13:24PMunchnim c --styleCheck:hint project
14:13:31PMunchI believe that should give you some style hints
14:14:17PMunchThere's also nimpretty
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14:14:52nrds<Prestige99> oh hmm
14:15:33PMunch@enthus1ast, Vim crashes on Windows?
14:15:47FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @nrds "<Prestige> Wonder how crazy": Difficult as of now
14:15:57PMunchOh well, I've gotta go
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14:15:59FromDiscord<Rika> Style check isn’t a complete check naturally
14:16:42nrds<Prestige99> hm would be nice to see these via nimlsp actually. The styleChecks
14:16:47FromDiscord<enthus1ast> windows cannot do this (is it sighub?) so on ctrl+z vim will suspend somehow, but can never be re awakened
14:17:06FromDiscord<enthus1ast> so on windows i mapped ctrl+z to noop
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14:31:04FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> @PMunch: May you say something about that?
14:31:05FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> https://invent.kde.org/utilities/kate/-/merge_requests/680/diffs
14:31:23FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Or somebody else, who knows. Its about including Kate LSP support for Nim by default. Thanks
14:31:45FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> (edit) "Kate" => "Nim" | "Nim" => "Kate"
14:31:58FromDiscord<hmmm> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/jpa
14:32:16FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> That is the kind of type declaration code smell I mean
14:32:48FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Basically renders the top lines close to unreadable 😦
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14:47:59FromDiscord<PMunch> @ShalokShalom if a user has added `.nimble/bin` to their path (as they should do) then just `nimlsp` will suffice
14:49:02FromDiscord<PMunch> And about that type declaration, definitely not a great way of doing it, that should just return an object..
14:49:10nrds<Prestige99> oh he's back
14:49:35FromDiscord<PMunch> And realistically `burger` should just be replaced by `result`
14:49:53FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> I have nimble/bin in my PATH and VSCode cant find it
14:50:15FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @PMunch "And about that type": I see these types of things all over the place
14:50:34FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> I mean, if types could be at least added on top of the actual function, I could look clean.
14:50:40FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> But that mess..
14:51:24FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Its just not very elegant.
14:51:45FromDiscord<PMunch> Well then create an issue for VSCode, stuff in the PATH should be executable..
14:51:57FromDiscord<PMunch> On top?
14:51:57FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Normal Nim code never goes that long and convoluted.
14:51:58FromDiscord<hmmm> burger is not negotiable since it's exy creation 🧐
14:52:24FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @PMunch "On top?": Like Haskell
14:52:37FromDiscord<PMunch> @hmmm I'm pretty sure he'd agree it should be changed to result. His original example was an argument called burger
14:53:03FromDiscord<PMunch> Sorry, not that familiar with Haskell syntax
14:53:12nrds<DarthOreo99> o/ Prestige
14:53:18nrds<Prestige99> Hey DarthOreo, welcome
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14:53:47FromDiscord<Rika> ah you're back
14:54:05FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959465683702399017/Screenshot_79.png
14:54:12FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @hmmm "ok boys the burger": i really think your tuple should be an object
14:54:20FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> The first line is the type declaration
14:54:33FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> So you get your own line for your type declarations
14:54:47FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Instead of squeezing them into your code
14:54:53FromDiscord<Solitude> not once i've see you in this chat and you werent hardcore trolling
14:55:01FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> Thanks a lot
14:55:04FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> My pleasure
14:55:08FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> blushing
14:55:18FromDiscord<Solitude> respect
14:55:40FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> I can only give this back
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14:58:20FromDiscord<hmmm> In reply to @Rika "i really think your": ty rika, but I'm wondering, what is the way the chaining two objects of the same kind? add or & or somth?
14:58:32FromDiscord<Rika> what do you mean chaining
14:58:42FromDiscord<hmmm> like you chain 2 seqs with &
14:58:47FromDiscord<Rika> yes
14:59:01FromDiscord<Rika> objects are not something you chain, you cant chain tuples either
14:59:05FromDiscord<Rika> theyre not "collections"
14:59:09FromDiscord<hmmm> hmm
14:59:10FromDiscord<hmmm> I see
14:59:41FromDiscord<hmmm> what about the fields of the objects?
14:59:46FromDiscord<hmmm> I can chain the same fields?
15:00:25FromDiscord<hmmm> can I
15:00:39FromDiscord<hmmm> lol english is failing me today harder than usual (and the usual is bad)
15:01:27FromDiscord<huantian> I mean there’s nothing stopping you from `myObj.someSeq & otherObj.someSeq`
15:01:39FromDiscord<hmmm> yea I was thinking the same
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15:13:49FromDiscord<Rika> if theyre seqs/collections sure
15:13:57FromDiscord<Rika> what does it mean to chain objects?
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15:26:08FromDiscord<PMunch> @ShalokShalom well I mean you can kinda do it with `using` https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#statements-and-expressions-using-statement
15:30:29NimEventerNew Nimble package! userdef - A more advanced adduser for your Alpine based Docker images., see https://github.com/theAkito/userdef
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16:08:20FromDiscord<slymilano> What is the recommended way to schedule and run background jobs in Nim? Something like Rails' sidekiq
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16:15:39FromDiscord<willyboar> maybe https://github.com/soasme/nim-schedules
16:32:26nrds<DarthOreo99> i managed to get my bot to connect with sasl on nim
16:32:35nrds<DarthOreo99> now it nees logic lol.
16:32:42nrds<DarthOreo99> vs sending raw commands to do it.
16:32:51FromDiscord<Rika> what does your bot do
16:32:59nrds<DarthOreo99> absolutely NOTHING!
16:33:00nrds<DarthOreo99> lol
16:33:06nrds<DarthOreo99> sorry. &help
16:33:08nrds<DarthOreo99> thats it
16:33:10nrds<sorcerer99> LOL
16:33:27nrds<DarthOreo99> its a "START!"
16:33:31nrds<sorcerer99> he means nothing yet, we'll find a use for it
16:33:32nrds<sorcerer99> :P
16:33:44nrds<DarthOreo99> send sheep to CT 24/7
16:33:59nrds<sorcerer99> lol i mean, we could make a ascii trigger for sheep
16:34:06nrds<sorcerer99> and cue it when computertech chats
16:34:08nrds<sorcerer99> lolol
16:37:15FromDiscord<Rika> i didnt know teenagers still used irc
16:38:23nrds<Prestige99> nice, bout time someone added sasl support
16:38:36nrds<DarthOreo99> 0.4.1 irc lol
16:38:39nrds<DarthOreo99> now with sasl!
16:38:45nrds<DarthOreo99> XD
16:38:57nrds<DarthOreo99> aleast works with unreal :)
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16:55:40FromDiscord<exelotl> what happened to ircord :thonkang:
16:57:11FromDiscord<Rika> what about? this is a different bot
16:57:22FromDiscord<Rika> its discord <> irc <> another irc server
16:57:45FromDiscord<Rika> discord <-ircord-> irc <-nrds-> another irc server
16:57:56FromDiscord<exelotl> oh.. I thought nrds was a person lol
16:58:46FromDiscord<exelotl> (a person whos name had accidentally gotten "stuck" as the name of the bot, like what happens when you use Ripcord)
16:59:04FromDiscord<Rika> i see
16:59:48FromDiscord<exelotl> In reply to @hmmm "burger is not negotiable": I'm honoured lmao
16:59:59nrds<sorcerer99> oh no, nerds is my irc network
17:00:01nrds<sorcerer99> lol
17:00:07nrds<sorcerer99> well irc-nerds to be precise
17:00:32nrds<sorcerer99> i started it to gather nerds of all sorts and get a nice nerdy and/or social chats going on
17:00:43nrds<sorcerer99> real goal was to help newbies in like linux
17:01:12nrds<sorcerer99> im trying to expand with getting people to host their home channels on the network
17:01:32nrds<sorcerer99> i got a few devs, and the linux distro; Garuda Linux, are hosted here so far
17:07:09nrds<DarthOreo99> im a nerd in training.. code wise..
17:07:14nrds<DarthOreo99> more admin of sorts :)
17:09:18FromDiscord<gerwy> guys i have a problem and i wonder how to solve it
17:09:45FromDiscord<gerwy> basically, lets say that i need to store some sort of virtual variables↵i know their name, their type and default value or value assigned to them
17:09:52nrds<sorcerer99> im just the fearless skill-less leader ;x
17:10:50FromDiscord<gerwy> now question is, how would i store them? I thought of having a Table with their names as indexes, but that would be hard to do with multiple types of variables in one table or make it super big↵sooo, what about making that variable in nim and storing a pointer to it? Is it possible?
17:10:56FromDiscord<Rika> oh ok
17:11:07FromDiscord<Rika> i didnt actually know what network that bot bridged to
17:11:20FromDiscord<Rika> ~~not that i cared either, not really something to care too much about honestly~~
17:11:54FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Life Sucks "now question is, how": think of a different solution before resorting to pointers
17:11:58nrds<DarthOreo99> now ya do \m/
17:12:11FromDiscord<Rika> pointer is almost never the correct option btw
17:12:17FromDiscord<federico3> the april fool is just... weird...
17:12:55nrds<Prestige99> What do you mean federico3?
17:13:08Amun-Ragerwy: like tables?
17:13:59FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Rika "pointer is almost never": but for variables it sounds reasonable ://
17:14:23FromDiscord<Rika> have you tried an object variant?
17:14:44FromDiscord<Rika> if you know all of the types you can use object variants
17:14:55FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Amun-Ra "<@347345994217816066>: like tables?": can they store multiple types of data instead of the one specified when declaring it?↵Like i know i could do [string,int] to store ints but what for otherse
17:15:00FromDiscord<gerwy> (edit) "otherse" => "others"
17:15:59FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @Rika "have you tried an": can you look into this?
17:16:14Amun-Ragerwy: I think I misunderstood your question
17:16:15FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Rika "have you tried an": hmm well i thought of having like a Variable, tuple, that will store its actual type (in enum) and value, and the value would be another tuple with all the types i have, like int, float, string, char etc↵all of them being null except the type that the variable actually use with the value for this
17:16:23FromDiscord<gerwy> Buuut it sounds like it could be a pretty big...
17:16:29FromDiscord<gerwy> or idk
17:16:34FromDiscord<Rika> you know whats bigger? dealing with pointers
17:16:55FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Rika "can you look into": yeah i will, it sounds like something i should do from the start heh, but i don't understand it fully
17:17:13FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Rika "you know whats bigger?": maybe, dangerous coding is my second name
17:17:15FromDiscord<Rika> now you have to deal with manual memory and you still have to figure out how to determine what type it is
17:17:29FromDiscord<Rika> theres no reason here in my opinion
17:17:32FromDiscord<Rika> to use pointers
17:17:35FromDiscord<Rika> absolutely none
17:17:46FromDiscord<gerwy> i mean, they could have been GC'd and i would know which type it is when having a type specified as an enum
17:18:01FromDiscord<Rika> tell me how that would go
17:18:06FromDiscord<Rika> oop?
17:18:12FromDiscord<Rika> that's more annoying to me
17:18:14FromDiscord<Rika> but you do you ig
17:18:34FromDiscord<gerwy> no, more like having a table with ID's of variables and that tuple i talked about
17:18:48FromDiscord<Solitude> what the hell is he talking about
17:18:52FromDiscord<gerwy> well idk, i will look into Object variants, its a Nim feature or is it like a universal thing among languages?
17:19:20FromDiscord<Solitude> https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#types-object-variants
17:19:28FromDiscord<Rika> its a not-so-popular feature across languages
17:19:35FromDiscord<Rika> the more used name is "tagged union"
17:20:00FromDiscord<gerwy> oooh you mean the case thingy in object
17:20:13FromDiscord<gerwy> In reply to @Rika "the more used name": yeah yeah, my friend recommended it to me but i had no idea its this thing
17:20:41FromDiscord<gerwy> okay i might use it since its exactly what i want, enum of type and the value of that exact type
17:20:47FromDiscord<gerwy> and nim docs literally show it as an example hah
17:21:03FromDiscord<gerwy> Thaaanks Rika
17:22:03Amun-Ramind you can only set the type during object creation
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17:23:33FromDiscord<gerwy> yeah but i need to do it run-time, i have no idea what type its gonna be
17:23:52Amun-Rathat's not a problem
17:25:14FromDiscord<Rika> you cant do `thingy.kind = tInt` it has to be like `thingy = MyThing(kind: tInt)`
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17:32:04FromDiscord<kevin> For Nimscript tasks is there anything special you need to do to run them?
17:32:16FromDiscord<kevin> I thought it was just `./script.nims <taskname>`
17:32:43FromDiscord<Rika> `nim e script.nims`
17:32:54FromDiscord<Rika> or do you mean nimble tasks?
17:33:00FromDiscord<kevin> nimscript tasks
17:33:00FromDiscord<Rika> nimble tasks go in the nimble file
17:33:12FromDiscord<Rika> theres no such thing as a "nimscript task" its just a file
17:33:27FromDiscord<Rika> its like nim code but run on the nimscript vm
17:34:20FromDiscord<kevin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U1M
17:34:25FromDiscord<kevin> `./build.nims windows`
17:34:31FromDiscord<kevin> I think I have this all wrong
17:35:33FromDiscord<kevin> Maybe I have to parse the nimscript args manually and then call the appropriate tasks
17:35:44FromDiscord<kevin> I thought nimscript tasks did that for you though
17:42:05FromDiscord<Rika> nimble tasks
17:42:17FromDiscord<Rika> where did you hear of "nimscript tasks"
17:45:46FromDiscord<Solitude> In reply to @Rika "where did you hear": https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html#task.t%2Cuntyped%2Cstring%2Cuntyped one such place
17:46:02FromDiscord<Rika> let me look
17:46:25FromDiscord<Rika> oh this is for the config.nims
17:48:20FromDiscord<Rika> yeah i think this is for config.nims
17:48:21FromDiscord<Solitude> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/HHD
17:49:25FromDiscord<kevin> ahhhhh okay
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18:35:08DixieFlatlineA bit of an amateur question: what is the meaning for arrays of arrayName.high ? I've looked and I can't quite find what it means
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18:37:41FromDiscord<auxym> it's the highest index in the array
18:38:15FromDiscord<auxym> so eg `arrayName[arrayName.high]` is the last element
18:41:06DixieFlatlineOh, so if it were C, it's like... array.high is equivalent to sizeof(array(maxLen)-1) [if the array is null terminated, or otherwise terminated]
18:41:28DixieFlatlineerm
18:42:14DixieFlatlineI forgot to cast but yeah, same sort of idea.
18:44:47DixieFlatline@Auxym: it returns the last element's indice, I assume from how I'm seeing it used.
18:46:50DixieFlatlineif(inBits >= 13) or (i == inArray.high):
18:49:06DixieFlatlinereturns it as a integer, I mean. bounds checking it would appear
18:57:53FromDiscord<auxym> yes, but in Nim array indices can have arbitrary start and end, or even use enums as indices. https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html#advanced-types-arrays
19:03:41FromDiscord<Rika> DixieFlatline: i see, a vocaloid fan
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19:08:48DixieFlatline@Auxym : interesting feature
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19:09:53DixieFlatline@Rika I'm afraid I didn't catch that at all. Are you a Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni fan?
19:10:16FromDiscord<Rika> oh, i believe theres also a producer using that name, might be correlated
19:11:05FromDiscord<kevin> Anyone run into errors trying to cross compile a Nim binary for `--cpu=i386`?
19:11:19FromDiscord<kevin> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U2a
19:11:24FromDiscord<Rika> oh this thing again
19:11:29FromDiscord<kevin> sorry! 😦
19:11:31FromDiscord<Rika> no no
19:11:44FromDiscord<kevin> this is my first time seeing this error
19:11:47FromDiscord<Rika> its more like we meet again, nim-c int error
19:12:03FromDiscord<Rika> it means the c compiler and nim dont agree with integer size
19:12:12FromDiscord<Rika> or pointer size
19:12:31FromDiscord<Rika> but idk why that happens since you set the cpu in nim anyway, might need to also set the compiler to a 32 bit one
19:12:35FromDiscord<Rika> (edit) "but idk why that happens since you set the cpu in nim anyway, ... might" added "you"
19:12:43FromDiscord<Rika> (edit) "but idk why that happens since you set the cpu in nim anyway, you might need to also set the ... compiler" added "c"
19:13:28FromDiscord<kevin> Looks like it's just using the standard `gcc` binary in my path
19:13:38FromDiscord<kevin> Doesn't gcc have an option for i386 already?
19:13:43FromDiscord<kevin> (edit) "i386" => "i386/x86"
19:13:58FromDiscord<Rika> not sure
19:14:09FromDiscord<Rika> ive never tried 32 bit compiling
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19:17:25FromDiscord<auxym> quick google search yields `-m32` argument to gcc. maybe try adding `--passC:-m32` to your nim command line. Unfortunate though, I would've thought nim would have added that automatically based on the cpu option
19:17:53FromDiscord<auxym> maybe `passL` too
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19:26:19FromDiscord<qb> any vcc optimization flags you guys know?
19:29:19FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U2d
19:30:00FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> In reply to @qb "any vcc optimization flags": https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/o-options-optimize-code?view=msvc-170
19:30:58Amun-Ra(no-)ms-bitfields is an x86 only option
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19:42:51FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13259
19:43:17FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> In reply to @PMunch "<@208199869301522432> well I mean": that sounds interesting, thanks
19:43:28FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> I guess this could be enhanced with macros? 😛
19:44:14FromDiscord<ShalokShalom> I would also like to default to individual types, so type name is always the same as the key name, unless otherwise specified
19:44:15FromDiscord<auxym> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U2j
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19:46:09FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> In reply to @auxym "are you passing `--cpu:arm": seems like it's only happens in windows
19:46:14FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> (edit) "it's" => "it"
19:47:02FromDiscord<auxym> good point, I don't think I've used arm-none-eabi-gcc on windows
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20:06:10FromDiscord<exelotl> In reply to @hamidb80 "https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/13259": yeah, it's a weird issue of the compiler sometimes preserving previous C compiler flags (set by the default nim.cfg) even after you tried to override them
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20:06:47FromDiscord<exelotl> did my issue help you solve it?
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20:11:16FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> In reply to @exelotl "did my issue help": yeah. thanks
20:12:11FromDiscord<exelotl> sweet
20:12:25FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> you did find `gcc.options.always` ?↵i mean it's not documented in https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimc.html
20:12:32FromDiscord<Hamid_Bluri> (edit) removed "did"
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20:15:40FromDiscord<exelotl> hmm I don't remember, I feel like I saw it in some docs at some point, but it was a few years ago now 😅
20:21:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/c3f03cfa5dfa2ca47f8e4cf99bbcdbf5a7d16eda/config/nim.cfg#L184
20:23:29FromDiscord<demotomohiro> `gcc.options.always` is used even when cross compiling to different cpu/os?
20:24:02FromDiscord<retkid> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959548719030755389/IMG_1117.png
20:24:27FromDiscord<retkid> I DONT KNOW IF I QUALIFY
20:27:12FromDiscord<Rika> what does that mean and what does this have to do with nim\
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20:43:38FromDiscord<auxym> huh? It's passed by the nim compiler to gcc...
20:43:50FromDiscord<auxym> (edit) "huh? It's ... passed" added "a flag"
20:49:52FromDiscord<Rika> no, someone deleted a message before mine
20:49:57FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I show strange picture posted here with text "Do you have valid C++?". But it was removed. I think that is what @Rika talking.
20:50:02FromDiscord<Rika> yes
20:50:10FromDiscord<auxym> haha
20:50:15FromDiscord<Rika> not demo, but someone else
20:50:19FromDiscord<Rika> i think it was retkid
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21:55:22nrds<Prestige99> is there a recommended lib to compress and decompress files?
21:57:45FromDiscord<tsoj> I sometimes notice that I would like something like a unique_ptr. refs seem to be roughly equivalent to shared_ptr. Sometimes I used seq[T] with single elements to kind of simulate a non-shared heap resource (for example, when the only reason for not using the stack is that it is not back enough). Is there something like that?
22:02:26FromDiscord<exelotl> Prestige: https://github.com/guzba/zippy
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22:03:00nrds<Prestige99> sweet, ty
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22:07:36FromDiscord<demotomohiro> @tsoj I think this is like unique_ptr in C++: https://github.com/nim-lang/fusion/blob/master/src/fusion/smartptrs.nim
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22:23:16FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/DMq
22:25:40FromDiscord<demotomohiro> I think you can use `cpFile` in nimble file: https://nim-lang.org/docs/nimscript.html#cpFile%2Cstring%2Cstring
22:43:42FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah no worries pmunch the author responded to my issue and mentioned is super easy to build using fedora, so yea just debian life 😜
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23:07:51FromDiscord<biz> sent a code paste, see https://paste.rs/GtH
23:07:59FromDiscord<biz> so `i.data.get` is ambiguous
23:08:02FromDiscord<biz> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U30" => "https://paste.rs/SI4"
23:08:02FromDiscord<biz> apparently
23:08:10FromDiscord<biz> how can i fix this? its from a discord event
23:08:12FromDiscord<biz> using dimscord
23:08:42FromDiscord<Rika> full error please
23:09:03FromDiscord<biz> wait
23:09:04FromDiscord<biz> i fixed it
23:09:06FromDiscord<biz> i think
23:09:14FromDiscord<biz> i see the example imports `options`?
23:09:50FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yes you'll need ti import options
23:10:09FromDiscord<biz> how does this change anything?
23:10:13FromDiscord<biz> In reply to @Rika "full error please": https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959590535809597550/unknown.png
23:10:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Compiler error
23:10:29FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Give the compiler error
23:10:31FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Not tooling error
23:11:04FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959590750717354004/unknown.png
23:11:21FromDiscord<biz> this was before i imported options
23:11:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `import std/options` you do not have the `get` procedure accessible
23:11:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Nim has only a few type bound operations and they're related with memory management
23:11:55FromDiscord<biz> oh
23:12:08FromDiscord<biz> fixed it!
23:12:09FromDiscord<biz> thanks
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23:32:14FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959596080616603648/unknown.png
23:32:19FromDiscord<biz> i attempted using `some`
23:32:25FromDiscord<biz> 🤔
23:32:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Compiler errors
23:33:17FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Tooling is nice and all but the compiler errors explicitly state the issue
23:33:26FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959596381016825876/unknown.png
23:33:37FromDiscord<Rika> `data: some ...`? what went wrong there?
23:33:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> So it's an issue of not using Some
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23:34:07FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959596554837176390/unknown.png
23:34:17FromDiscord<Rika> import options, again
23:34:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `import std/options`
23:34:22FromDiscord<biz> jee
23:34:24FromDiscord<biz> z
23:34:39FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Blame whoever wrote the code not exporting options
23:34:45FromDiscord<biz> 😭
23:34:55FromDiscord<huantian> nah everyone should always import options no matter what
23:36:30FromDiscord<biz> okay another question bc this is horrid
23:36:41FromDiscord<biz> is there a way to deal with ambiguous properties?
23:36:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> There is no such thing as ambiguous properties
23:37:01FromDiscord<Rika> what does that mean
23:37:02FromDiscord<biz> i meant
23:37:03FromDiscord<biz> types
23:37:06FromDiscord<biz> my bad
23:37:13FromDiscord<biz> or values if u want to prefer that
23:37:14FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959597335229374474/unknown.png
23:37:14FromDiscord<Rika> `module.Type`
23:37:19FromDiscord<biz> so basically
23:37:27FromDiscord<biz> in the command func,
23:37:32FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `myModueleIWantTheTypeFrom.MyType`
23:37:32FromDiscord<Rika> mmmmm yummy error that one is
23:37:33FromDiscord<Rika> whats the code
23:37:49FromDiscord<biz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U39
23:37:52FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> "has no type"
23:37:56FromDiscord<biz> there
23:37:58FromDiscord<biz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U3a
23:37:58FromDiscord<biz> this is where its being ran
23:38:00FromDiscord<Rika> `seq[tuple]` is wrong
23:38:01FromDiscord<huantian> In reply to @Rika "mmmmm yummy error that": that's what you get when you async
23:38:07FromDiscord<biz> In reply to @Rika "`seq[tuple]` is wrong": what should i use?
23:38:07FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @huantian "that's what you get": i know
23:38:14FromDiscord<Rika> i would know.... 😂
23:38:21FromDiscord<Rika> In reply to @biz "what should i use?": specify the tuple
23:38:31FromDiscord<biz> elaborate
23:38:34FromDiscord<Rika> `tuple[field: Type, field: Type, ....]`
23:38:40FromDiscord<biz> oh
23:38:50FromDiscord<Rika> or just omit the type
23:38:52FromDiscord<Rika> nim will infer it
23:39:09FromDiscord<Rika> so `commands = `
23:39:35FromDiscord<biz> this is beginning to remind me of golanmg
23:39:36FromDiscord<biz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U3b
23:39:42FromDiscord<Rika> `proc` needs more specification too
23:39:47FromDiscord<biz> id rather omit it
23:39:50FromDiscord<biz> the code looks ugly now
23:40:00FromDiscord<huantian> Maybe move your tuple to a type def
23:40:06FromDiscord<Rika> yes
23:40:09FromDiscord<Rika> was gonna say
23:40:20FromDiscord<Rika> makes little sense to use a tuple here
23:41:09FromDiscord<biz> :stare:
23:41:40FromDiscord<biz> oh yes
23:41:42FromDiscord<biz> now my type is
23:41:44FromDiscord<biz> ambiguous
23:41:46FromDiscord<biz> 😊
23:42:05FromDiscord<Rika> can you show what you did
23:42:16FromDiscord<biz> i know im a new nim user but
23:42:19FromDiscord<biz> im going to fix it first
23:42:25FromDiscord<biz> 😭
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23:42:59FromDiscord<biz> nim errors are ugly
23:43:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Eh async errors are\
23:44:18FromDiscord<biz> ok tbh
23:44:22FromDiscord<biz> im doin g kinda good for a new nim user
23:44:31FromDiscord<biz> ATE
23:44:35FromDiscord<biz> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U3c
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23:45:42FromDiscord<huantian> does this work or nah
23:45:43FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `InteractionApplicationCommandCallbackData` Who's writing java?
23:45:47FromDiscord<biz> yes it does work
23:45:50FromDiscord<biz> just the
23:45:54FromDiscord<biz> ambiguous thing
23:45:55FromDiscord<biz> still exists
23:45:59FromDiscord<biz> for the c.api
23:46:06FromDiscord<biz> In reply to @Elegantbeef "`InteractionApplicationCommandCallbackData` Who's w": LMFAO
23:46:42FromDiscord<biz> its so long for what
23:47:06FromDiscord<huantian> you can ommit the type on `let commands` btw
23:47:15FromDiscord<biz> In reply to @huantian "you can ommit the": i do it for
23:47:17FromDiscord<biz> readability
23:47:35FromDiscord<biz> also for practice
23:47:44FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Ah it's readable that we have a 10 line constructor
23:48:18FromDiscord<biz> shush
23:48:36FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Now jokes aside what about the `c.api` issue
23:48:52FromDiscord<biz> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959600268692033597/unknown.png
23:50:44FromDiscord<Patitotective> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U3d
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23:51:08FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `static: configPath.slurp().parsePrefs()`
23:51:57FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> compile time context means it can only run the code statically and `config` being a var means it's a error since it's attempting to assign a runtime value to a static function
23:52:22FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> You may need to do `static(configPath.slurp()).parsePrefs`
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23:53:38FromDiscord<huantian> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=3U3e
23:53:41FromDiscord<huantian> createInteractionResponse returns a void
23:53:45FromDiscord<huantian> (edit) "void" => "Future[void]"
23:56:12FromDiscord<huantian> thank you for the wonderful error message
23:57:58FromDiscord<biz> so why are they
23:57:59FromDiscord<biz> discarding it
23:58:01FromDiscord<biz> in the example
23:58:05FromDiscord<biz> :Thinkeng:
23:58:19FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Programmers are humans
23:58:27FromDiscord<biz> why wouldnt it error for them
23:58:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Where's the example?
23:58:56FromDiscord<biz> https://github.com/krisppurg/dimscord/blob/master/examples/user_commands.nim
23:59:06FromDiscord<biz> only thing i referenced was their sending and
23:59:19FromDiscord<biz> if it returns that why r they discarding
23:59:24FromDiscord<huantian> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/959602918582009866/unknown.png
23:59:27FromDiscord<huantian> they aren't
23:59:28FromDiscord<biz> wait
23:59:29FromDiscord<biz> no they arent
23:59:30FromDiscord<biz> HELP IM BLIND
23:59:33FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> `bulkOverwriteApplicationCommands` returns a `seq`
23:59:43FromDiscord<biz> i was looking at wrong thing
23:59:46FromDiscord<biz> <a:Skype_4L:928755115819663380>