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00:04:50FromGitter<konqoro> apart from that they are quite diffrent, Kde uses Qt, Windows are written with .NET, I guess?
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00:07:58Varriount|Mobilekonqoro: The shell and window manager are written in C and C++
00:08:43Varriount|MobileSome of the newer system menus might be using C#, but those run in their own process
00:12:20FromGitter<konqoro> I think Microsoft employs many good engineers and so they have stabilized a lot their DE from previous releases, but I am concerned about tracking
00:13:45Varriount|MobileKonqoro: You and me both.
00:13:52FromGitter<konqoro> I mean I had a few crashes with plasmashell but I never seen windows 10 crash when interracting with the desktop, I can be wrong though
00:14:11FromGitter<konqoro> haven't used it match
00:14:36Varriount|MobileIt only tends to happen due to bugs in the display driver
00:15:31FromGitter<konqoro> yes plasmashell depends on opengl
00:15:37Varriount|MobileAt least there's the built-in firewall. You can target specific programs with that.
00:16:02FromGitter<konqoro> on windows?
00:17:00FromGitter<konqoro> or you mean iptables
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00:17:42Varriount|MobileOn Windows
00:18:04Varriount|MobileWindows does have a built-in firewall
00:20:32FromGitter<konqoro> it is a MAC firewall (like SELinux) right?
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00:24:40Varriount|MobileIt's rule based, where the rules can be based on programs, ports, and/or ip addresses
00:25:22Varriount|MobileI don't think you can specify MAC as a rule attribute though
00:26:19FromGitter<konqoro> yeah that 's what I meant with policies
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00:26:40FromGitter<konqoro> not mac addreses
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00:28:53FromGitter<konqoro> mandatory access controls
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00:29:12Varriount|MobileAh
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08:55:36vktecI had an idea earlier: It'd be cool to try and get Nim running on a separate VM, such as BEAM or the JVM. Proably not particularly useful in the long run, but would be a pretty neat example of Nim's backends, and how that can improve cross-platform development, etc
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09:02:48jh32hi
09:02:51Varriount|Mobilevktec: How about webassembly
09:03:08vktecVarriount|Mobile: Yeah, good idea
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09:06:18jh32when iterating over multiple lists with zip ('for x in zip(a, b):') i would like to like to split the pairs directliy like in Python with something like 'for (x, y) in zip(a, b):' instead of using x.a and x.b which can be a bit confusing
09:06:54jh32is this possible or is there some better alternative to using zip?
09:06:59vktecVarriount|Mobile: Ooh, looks like wasm is generated from ASTs, which would make it quite a bit easier, I expect
09:10:22Varriount|Mobilejh32: It's possible, but probably not practical
09:11:14flyxjh32: `for a, b in zip(a, b).items:`
09:11:33flyxwell, wanna use `for x,y...`
09:12:11jh32flyx: hah, perfect thanks
09:12:51flyxbe aware that you must give `.items` explicitly because when you give two variables, Nim would otherwise use `pairs` on the resulting list which yields (index, content) for each element
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09:27:36ArrrrThat feel when you have to write "let a: seq[A] = @[B.A]"
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09:48:45Varriount|Mobileflyx: It's only a shame that you unpack more than two elements in a for statement
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10:58:16def-Arrrr: why would you have to write that?
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10:59:45Arrrrbetter example: seq[Button] = @[PrintButton.Button, SaveButton, LoadButton]
11:00:33def-you can leave out the ": seq[Button]" if that's what you don't like
11:02:22ArrrrMm, that's right, i did't know. But if im not mistaken, it doesn't work when you pass it as a proc arg
11:03:11def-should work
11:03:18def-proc f(x = 1) = echo x
11:07:42ArrrrMmm, you are right again, with isolated code i don't have that problem. I have to find the reason of this.
11:08:07ArrrrMight be because of default arguments
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12:22:57vktecWhat happened to sexp's docs page? :o
12:23:09vktec(I get 404 on http://nim-lang.org/docs/sexp.html)
12:27:52vktecOh, it was moved into nimsuggest and is no longer externally accessible. That's a shame
12:49:10Araqvktec: and nimsuggest was moved back into trunk
12:49:23Araqso it's available again :-)
12:49:31Araq(but docs need to be regenerated)
12:49:35vktecAraq: Yes, but I can't seem to access it from my own programs
12:50:02vktecI've tried import sexp, import nimsuggest/sexp and import tools/nimsuggest/sexp
12:50:07arnetheduckAraq, branch ping ;)
12:52:09Araqtry import "$nim/tools/nimsuggest/sexp" perhaps
12:52:15Araqor modify your --path
12:53:22vktecI might just implement my own sexp parser. It shouldn't be that hard and I've not written a parser in Nim before
12:53:58vktecAraq: What libraries should I look at for parsing? I'm guessing Nim has some good ones built in, because the compiler will probably need them
12:56:06Varriount|Mobilevktec: The compiler doesn't use any libraries for parsing. It does it manually
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12:56:17vktecOh, I see
12:57:19vktecI might just go with a simple finite state machine-based thing, perhaps backed by lexbase
13:00:05Araqvktec: I like lexbase, apparently nobody else does though
13:00:19Araqbut copy the library over to your project instead of hacking your own
13:00:39Araqunless you do it for the fun of it
13:01:08vktecWell, I'm partly doing it for fun, but I'll start with the existing one and strip out all the sexp generation stuff to see how it's implemented
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13:34:00Varriount|MobileAraq: Well, purchase doesn't really have much documentation on how you're supposed to use it.
13:34:07Varriount|Mobile*lexbase
13:38:49Varriount|MobileAraq: suppose I had time to write a wrapper for most of the Windows API. How would the wrapper library be structured?
13:39:41Varriount|MobilePutting everything into one module would be simple, if unfeasable (think of the compile times)
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14:12:29FromGitter<ephja> *infeasible </gn> :)
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14:35:54FromGitter<ephja> it would be nice to use a (21st century) statically typed language for this web project; preferably Nim, but it might not be a good idea yet since it involves user accounts and so on
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14:39:08FromGitter<ephja> maybe in about 2018 ;)
14:40:33vktecWhat's the best way to do a "repeat while" loop in Nim?
14:40:51vktec(ie. a while loop that checks at the end of each iteration, rather than the beginning)
14:42:18FromGitter<ephja> `while true: ...` I think
14:42:29vktecFair enough
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14:45:56Varriount|PhoneWhile true with a break statement at the end
14:47:35FromGitter<ephja> https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Loops/Do-while#Nim
14:50:48vktecTurns out I don't actually need a do while loop here, hehe
14:50:58vktecThanks for the recommendations though
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14:53:12vktecWhich is more efficient to append to the end of: seq[char]s or strings?
14:54:49flyxAraq: well NimYAML uses lexbase, but the main drawback is that it isn't available for JS
15:01:11Varriount|Phonevktec: Both use the same copy mechanism
15:01:22vktecVarriount|Phone: So it's the same?
15:01:37Varriount|Phonevktec: Yes.
15:01:51vktecThought it might be, but wanted to check, just in case. Thanks!
15:02:23Varriount|PhoneBoth strings and sequences are array-based containers that resize when needed.
15:10:22euantorAraq: I likelexbase too. I don't like the documentation particularly, but the actual module is nice ;)
15:11:38vktecFrom the small amount of use I've made of it, it's pretty handy
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15:18:45AraqVarriount|Phone: use the header files as a guideline?
15:19:04Araqwindows.h consists of multiple headers, every header could be a Nim module
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15:42:10vktecIs it possible to have fall-through in Nim's case statements?
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15:47:24flyxvktec: no, afaik
15:47:32flyxvktec: unless you use emit of coure
15:47:35flyx*course
15:47:40vktecOkay, I'll do it another way
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16:06:08Araqvktec: if you want multiple values, use of 1, 3, 4
16:06:28vktecAraq: I don't :P
16:06:45vktecI've done it with an if
16:07:27Araqok
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16:11:05vktecOne more thing about case statements: What's the preferred style? Colon + indentation or not?
16:11:34Araqnot.
16:12:50vktecOkay
16:13:13vktecI thought so, because that's how it's used in the compiler source, but I thought I'd check, just in case
16:15:29Araqcase x: makes little sense, not a list of statements does follow but a list of branches
16:16:13vktecThat's a good point
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16:48:39vktecexpr is heading for deprecation, correct?
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16:49:42vktecCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I think typed is the new version, right?
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16:51:22vktecOh, nvm, it's untyped
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17:08:04Varriount|PhoneAraq: typed and untyped are much easier to understand than stmt and expr
17:08:37vktecVarriount|Phone: I think that's why the change was made :P
17:10:10vktecWhat's the template/proc that converts an iterator to a seq again? I'm sure there is one, but can't find it now
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17:22:42federico3vktec: toSeq ?
17:23:01federico3vktec: inside sequtils
17:23:04vktecThat's the one, thanks federico3
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18:53:06federico3how are named arguments used in subex?
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19:21:18krux02Is it possible to execute code before {.global.} variables get initialized?
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19:24:40krux02I just realized the code that runs to initialize the first {.global.} variable is executed before all other {.global.} variables.
19:25:06krux02now I just need to make sure to have one global variable before all others
19:56:21vktecHow can I implement a mutually recursive proc and iterator? The compiler complains with 'undeclared identifier'
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20:15:19krux02vktec: what do you mean?
20:15:37krux02you need forward declaration for the secod procedure
20:16:39vktecI've got a proc calling an iterator which calls the proc
20:16:39krux02a forward declaration is like a function definition just until the = (excluding)
20:16:53vktecI've tried doing forward declaration on the iterator, but it errored
20:17:11vktecShould I move the iterator above the proc and use forward declaration with the proc?
20:17:26krux02vktec: with that precision I can give you a very precise answer: use forward declaration
20:17:34vktecOkay :)
20:19:24krux02I just realized that we are now in an age of new programming languages that start to rise and grow, and as soon as the commutities go split the urge to join the communities back together will grow.
20:20:32krux02ok that's my impression, I have no idea how true it is ;)
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23:30:44vktecIf I do type A = B, can I use procs defined for B on A?
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