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00:12:37FromGitter<Gooseus> @dom96 got `Error: unhandled exception: Connection was closed before full request has been made [ProtocolError]` while trying to publish the nimaws module
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00:19:52FromGitter<Gooseus> btw I heard back from aidansteele via email and he said he hasn't been coding any Nim recently and was willing to forward people on to the nimaws project from aws_sdk
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02:11:33FromGitter<Varriount> couven92: The Winim library has a COM module
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02:18:50GitDisc<GooRoo> guys, should compiler generate `==` for object variants? or I have to define it on my own?
02:24:46FromGitter<Varriount> I don't know. I would test it out
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02:28:19GitDisc<GooRoo> I guess it should, but it doesn't work so far
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02:41:04subsetparkYes I don't think so
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02:45:39subsetparkYou do get it for ref objects, which makes sense
02:50:00GitDisc<GooRoo> default generic `==` for objects uses `fields()` iterator inside which fucks up on object with `case` 
02:56:08FromGitter<Varriount> GooRoo: Is there a ticket open for that?
02:56:16FromGitter<Varriount> It seems like an oversight
02:57:31GitDisc<GooRoo> now there is one https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6674
03:05:16FromGitter<gogolxdong> Have to use JsObject and jsnew of jsffi and karax effecient virtual DOM construct model but be caution to avoid ambiguous call of & ,maybe jsffi stdlib should extend the ``&`` as karax does, or karax imports jsnew and JsObject otherwise. I compiled DOM first to render html and then compiled nim-electron app to make direct tcp access to libvirt server by leveraging nodejs as workaround , it works fine in linux to
03:05:16FromGitter... some extent, now I'm facing how to interactive with node-libvirt in windows, it's being said that there are huge problems to handle.
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03:11:25FromGitter<SitiSchu> Why does the description of the os module say it can retrieve environment variables when it doesnt have any proc to do that ?
03:18:00FromGitter<Gooseus> hey @Varriount when you get a chance shoot me some bullet points of those optimizations you mentioned for the nimaws module
03:35:30FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus The biggest one I could find is that use of the map procedure
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03:38:04FromGitter<Varriount> Instead, why not just make a general uriEncode proc that takes an additional list of characters to encode?
03:46:41FromGitter<Varriount> Also, be aware that strings are copy-on-assignment, like C++.
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04:29:17FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus https://gist.github.com/Varriount/5f99f862393a186665cd454ae6137ff4
04:29:44FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus I haven't gone all the way through it. I stopped at create_canonical_and_signed_headers
04:36:27FromGitter<Gooseus> awesome, thanks @Varriount I'll take a look and merge in these changes... I see what you're talking about, may have some questions to better understand the optimization
04:37:14FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus I'll be around for another hour or so
04:37:56FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus Make sure to test the changes.
04:45:38FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus the general goal in this kind of code is to copy string data as little as possible
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04:53:52FromGitter<Gooseus> @Varriount ok, so you want to prefer manipulating the string directly and reducing the number of times you need to manipulate the same string, right?
04:55:45FromGitter<Gooseus> also, I was curious what your thoughts are on next steps toward a more full-fledged AWS SDK? are you still planning on writing something to consume that JSON to create service objects?
04:58:07FromGitter<Varriount> To your first question, yes. Mainly you want to avoid creating strings.
04:58:58FromGitter<Varriount> To your second, yes, however I won't have much time until winter break or the summer. I have both university classes and full time work to juggle
04:59:28FromGitter<Varriount> I can probably get a prototype working over Winter break
05:02:20FromGitter<Gooseus> ok, so in the condense_whitespace proc... doing a strip() and then a replace() with a re, it be preferable to reduce that to a single string operation to reduce the whitespace?
05:02:59FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus At this point, if we can have a low level library where you give the endpoint, parameters, and encoding information, that would be great.
05:04:02FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus Yes, if it's used throughout the code.
05:05:31FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus In a perfect world, the standard library would have in-place transformation procedures. :/
05:07:27FromGitter<Gooseus> @Varriount ok, noted, thanks... what are your thoughts on a attempting to multi-thread multiple requests to AWS? for instance uploading or downloading multiple S3 objects?
05:10:25FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus Might be tricky. Nim has thread support and task spawning, however the async framework (which is usually used for HTTP requests) is single-threaded.
05:11:47FromGitter<Gooseus> so multi-threaded would need to spawn tasks that used the synchronous httpclient? I assume this is because the event loop only takes place in the main thread or something?
05:12:04FromGitter<Varriount> Something like that.
05:12:21FromGitter<Varriount> I'd ask @dom96 about it. I haven't used the async framework much.
05:14:47FromGitter<Gooseus> yeah, I'm curious what it is... and if that is the case, then could you theoretically utilize an asynchttpclient for the main thread and spawn tasks that used the regular httpclient?
05:15:21FromGitter<Varriount> Yes.
05:15:42FromGitter<Gooseus> well that'd be pretty neat...
05:15:57FromGitter<Varriount> Though how much of a performance gain that would get you over using multiple asynchronous requests, I don't know.
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05:16:21FromGitter<Gooseus> I have zero experience in parallel/multi-threaded programming
05:17:07FromGitter<Gooseus> yeah, idk... I assume it'd be decent though, since even though each process is yielding up control, if it's in a single thread there is always waiting
05:18:08FromGitter<Gooseus> but it might depend on the channel between the cpu and the network card? if multiple threads are trying to make requests, does that matter to the nic?
05:19:00FromGitter<Varriount> Well, remember that usually the data to be sent is copied from user mode to kernel mode
05:19:15FromGitter<Varriount> then time is spent waiting on IO
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05:25:53FromGitter<Gooseus> ok, yeah, i need to beef up my understanding of low level data flow... do you think there is a way to utilize parallelism to improve an SDK like this? I'm imagining a use case downloading a number of files, performing a bunch of operations and then uploading a set of files for each one processed
05:31:43FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus Threads tend to work best when there are CPU-bound operations.
05:32:25FromGitter<Varriount> Also, any idea if the signing policy cares about unicode whitespace?
05:32:49FromGitter<Varriount> I see that whitespace is stripped from header values
05:33:06FromGitter<Varriount> however what if that whitespace has odd things like unicode combining characters?
05:35:16FromGitter<Varriount> Also, is it only supposed to be spaces? what about tabs?
05:36:15FromGitter<Gooseus> I believe you are supposed to collapse all whitespace into a single space... let me find the reference
05:38:46FromGitter<Varriount> "To create the canonical headers list, convert all header names to lowercase and remove leading spaces and trailing spaces. Convert sequential spaces in the header value to a single space."
05:39:51FromGitter<gogolxdong> install node-libvirt in windows is overwhelmed , the only way to fill the gap for good is writing a browser in Nim.
05:40:44FromGitter<Gooseus> yeah, I think I may have accidentally left that in from when I started doing this with the v2 docs
05:40:53FromGitter<Gooseus> in there they talk about collapsing the whitespace
05:41:24FromGitter<Gooseus> so I guess I should remove that altogether
05:43:00FromGitter<Gooseus> @Varriount you have a good, simple parallel nim example? maybe something finding primes or something like that? that's cpu-bound, right?
05:43:15FromGitter<Varriount> Not off-hand
05:44:15FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus https://nim-lang.org/araq/concurrency2.html
05:44:52FromGitter<Gooseus> awesome, thanks!
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05:48:52FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus I wouldn't worry about condense_whitespace, writing an in-place procedure would take about 50-60 lines of code.
05:49:13FromGitter<Varriount> Perhaps later, but right now functionality is more important
05:51:11FromGitter<Gooseus> yeah, I'm actually thinking right now that it might be a bug waiting to happen... my stuff has worked cause none of my tests have used complicated header values
05:51:59FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus https://gist.github.com/Varriount/f00ae269879e4ea70929317add9e24a1
05:52:04FromGitter<Varriount> :3
05:53:04FromGitter<Varriount> Woops, updated
05:53:30FromGitter<Gooseus> that's the in-place condense_whitespace proc?
05:54:08FromGitter<Gooseus> or just a much more optimized version it seems, since you do create a new string
05:54:13FromGitter<Varriount> Sorry, not in-place, but more optimized
05:54:52FromGitter<Gooseus> hey, nice... if this was node, you'd package that up as its own npm module
05:55:38FromGitter<Varriount> What? It's rather single-purpose though.
05:57:42FromGitter<Gooseus> haha, exactly, that's kind of the joke... ever heard of left-pad-gate?
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06:04:02FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus No, what is it?
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06:10:23FromGitter<Gooseus> http://blog.npmjs.org/post/141577284765/kik-left-pad-and-npm
06:11:10FromGitter<Gooseus> basically someone unpublished a bunch of their packages from NPM, a bunch of which were dependencies for other packages, the most notorious of which was a module called left-pad
06:11:22FromGitter<Gooseus> http://left-pad.io/
06:15:49FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus Why not just use `char.repeat(x) + value `?
06:23:32FromGitter<Gooseus> yeah, idk why anyone would even think to look for a module like that instead of just implementing one real quick
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07:00:18FromGitter<Gooseus> ah see, this is so confusing, the sigv4 stuff for s3 uses a Trim() pseudofunction for header values, which only removes trailing and leading... the general sigv4 stuff uses Trimall() which removes trailing, leading and condenses
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08:14:03FromGitter<gogolxdong> I installed virt-viewer before which is the libvirt official recommended windows solution ,there are some libvirt*.dlls under bin/, I think these are enough to provide full operations ,how can I make use of them?
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08:20:33livcdso i have a good candidate of what I would / want to do as a pet project in Nim ..finally :D
08:22:34FromGitter<alehander42> what is it?
08:26:21FromGitter<mratsim> @dom96 a new joiner still pending validation: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/3286
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08:45:16livcdalehander42: i need a program that will store and compare changes made to few dozens of configuration files and displays the differences
08:53:39Araqlivcd: put it into a git repo?
08:55:22livcdAraq: the configurations are not only mine
08:55:54Araqso ... copy them into a git repo?
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09:25:13FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fae4794ff065ac18a70c1f]
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09:52:03livcdAraq: well there are some other things i wanted to do and besides i need to do some filtering before i would put it in Git
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10:02:34FromGitter<alehander42> btw I wondered the other day, is there something like a list of thing people wanted libraries for in the Nim ecosystem ?
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10:09:56FromGitter<gogolxdong> Is this right?
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10:24:05federico3alehander42 not yet
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10:48:57FromGitter<alehander42> I think something like https://github.com/crystal-community/crystal-libraries-needed/issues would be useful for us too
10:50:59FromGitter<Yardanico> @alehander42 there's something like it
10:51:28FromGitter<Yardanico> @alehander42 https://nim-lang.org/blog/2017/10/01/community-survey-results-2017.html ⏎ Go to "What critical libraries are missing in the Nim ecosystem?"
10:52:38FromGitter<alehander42> ah excellent
10:53:29federico3having a issue tracker where people can create / upvote / subscribe could help actually
10:53:31FromGitter<alehander42> still some repo where this list can be updated with new ideas/ or people can follow the development of some of the ideas would be a perfect addition I think
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10:58:20FromGitter<andreaferretti> the things I miss most are high level libraries for I/O with various kinds of DB and queues - especially integrated with the async framework
10:59:13FromGitter<andreaferretti> kafka, cassandra, hbase, couchdb....
10:59:21FromGitter<gogolxdong> ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ file exists while not the lib [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fafa88d6c36fca31c8961d]
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11:00:04FromGitter<andreaferretti> in some cases (kafka) there is a minimal wrapper over the C library, while the ideal was a Nim-native library that speaks the Kafka protocol without C dependencies and usable both in sync and async modes
11:00:16FromGitter<andreaferretti> same for most other databased
11:00:19FromGitter<andreaferretti> databases
11:01:36FromGitter<gogolxdong> most of the current middleware should be rewritten in Nim, this is a huge work.
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11:06:44FromGitter<gogolxdong> the ideal of ideal is trainning a programming AI , work day and night. Nim happens to has the essential feature, hope someone can utilitze..
11:07:22FromGitter<Yardanico> @gogolxdong https://github.com/mratsim/Arraymancer
11:07:49federico3alehander42: I was thinking of a little webapp to track ideas/needs but a github project would do
11:07:55arnetheduckYardanico, did you manage to run anything?
11:08:33FromGitter<Yardanico> well I just checked if it compiles (for fun), compiled simple program using base64 from stdlib, it worked
11:08:47FromGitter<Yardanico> btw epochTime worked too
11:08:51FromGitter<Yardanico> from times module
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11:09:12FromGitter<gogolxdong> I know this library, it's about algorithm rather than a lib.
11:09:30CcxWrkWhen I try to do "nimble list" it fails with OSError while trying to open non-existing temporary directory: open("/tmp/nimble_10187", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
11:09:42CcxWrknimble v0.8.8 compiled at 2017-10-31 11:26:32 (from Gentoo package)
11:09:48FromGitter<Yardanico> @gogolxdong no, see https://github.com/edubart/arraymancer-demos for usage
11:10:01FromGitter<Yardanico> you can already make neural networks with it
11:10:21FromGitter<Yardanico> CCxWrk: do you have /tmp/ directory?
11:11:01CcxWrkYes. With appropriate rights and sticky bit. The issue is that it doesn't try to create the directory it's opening.
11:11:20FromGitter<Yardanico> that's strange. can you try nim devel?
11:12:09CcxWrkAs in pulling Nim from git and building it?
11:12:13FromGitter<Yardanico> yes
11:12:13FromGitter<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim#compiling ⏎ and after all these commands run ./koch tools
11:12:27FromGitter<alehander42> @federico3 I think github is better, because most people use it and know how it works (but the app idea is interesting in principle for various ideas)
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11:12:51FromGitter<Yardanico> we need to ask @dom96 to create a repo for library suggestions under nim-lang org
11:13:15FromGitter<alehander42>
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11:13:42federico3alehander42 the app act as an optional front-end for GH issues
11:13:51FromGitter<Yardanico> CcxWrk: did you install any nimble packages before doing `nimble list` ?
11:14:16Araqcreate a wiki page with ideas? why does that need a new repo?
11:15:10federico3Araq: people can easily subscribe to the ideas they care about, receive updates, relate projects/PRs
11:15:23FromGitter<alehander42> and how would people subscribe/vote to wiki articles? also if people need a separate account for a special wiki, they just wouldn't bother
11:15:35CcxWrkYardanico: No, this is a fresh install.
11:15:35federico3in short, it's the whole bugtracker workflow
11:16:15FromGitter<Yardanico> CcxWrk: try to install any nimble package and try to run nimble list again ⏎ e.g. "nimble install mathexpr"
11:16:58FromGitter<Yardanico> if it will work, make an issue in nimble github repo :)
11:17:29FromGitter<alehander42> github issues can act as a better-structured wiki with more features and they are in the same platform where the whole nim ecosystem is in anyway
11:18:35federico3e.g. sort ideas/needs , tag them, pledge to contribute: https://github.com/crystal-community/crystal-libraries-needed/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Areactions-%2B1-desc
11:18:40FromGitter<gogolxdong> There are news about auto programme AI , while which neural network is better is still an issue. Only enough acadamic research can lead to a best practice, which is out of capability of many of ourselves.
11:19:13Araqoh ok if Crystal does it we have to do it too of course.
11:19:33federico3alehander42: albeit not everybody wants to have an account on GH
11:20:26FromGitter<Yardanico> federico3: there's no other choice then. People who doesn't want to have an account on GH wouldn't want to have an account on other services as well
11:20:38FromGitter<Yardanico> github is fine
11:20:38CcxWrkYardanico: Same error.
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11:22:11CcxWrkRunning koch tests on the development build in the meantime. I assume I need to pull nimble repo too and build it?
11:23:02FromGitter<Yardanico> no
11:23:07FromGitter<Yardanico> ./koch tools does that automatically
11:23:20FromGitter<Yardanico> why ./koch tests though ? :)
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11:23:58CcxWrkWell, to see if anything is wrong with the build? Apparently not having nodejs makes it produce a lot of errors.
11:24:18FromGitter<alehander42> @Araq nobody cares Crystal does it, it just seems as a more convenient and powerful method to me
11:25:30Araqyou know what I care about? that baby. what happened to it? did they lose it?
11:25:31FromGitter<alehander42> but of course if people prefer wiki, that's great too, the important thing is to be something that can track the ecosystem, not a static list
11:25:34FromGitter<gogolxdong> Nim provides sharp tools for neural network , this is the most promising part. All others are about infrastructure.
11:26:37Araqhow could it survive in zombie apocalyptic world anyway
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11:27:03FromGitter<Yardanico> CcxWrk: because nim has JS backend
11:27:08Araqah ok
11:27:09FromGitter<Yardanico> you shouldn't care about it
11:27:14FromGitter<Yardanico> unless you use JS backend :)
11:27:31CcxWrkThat's why test suites have SKIP feature. :P
11:27:37FromGitter<Yardanico> Araq: what are you talking about ? :P
11:28:05Araqwalking dead season 7
11:29:08FromGitter<Yardanico> ah, ok :D
11:29:24FromGitter<alehander42> I seriously thought the baby survived *because* nim has JS backend after reading this chat
11:31:50FromGitter<Yardanico> xD
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11:38:40CcxWrknim/nimble from github works
11:38:52CcxWrkIs the result of the test run of interest to anyone?
11:39:47FromGitter<Yardanico> well we have Travis CI (tests on ubuntu + macos) and AppVeyor (windows)
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11:59:18nim_newbHi, I am newbie to nim (Just read Tut1 till now). I wanted to implement a linked list in nim. Why does this print 0? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f4c738f1c28ccd43ac36331059b0862d
12:00:04nim_newbis new() like malloc (as in does it allocate memory for the whole node?) or is it just required for every ref type if you want it to be gc'ed?
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12:05:30FromGitter<mratsim> @gogolxdong when you say "Nim provides sharp tools for neural networks?”, what are you talking about?
12:06:21FromGitter<mratsim> @nim_new, new is required for GC-ed types (ref types). If you want malloc use “alloc” (thread-local) or “allocShared” (shared memory)
12:07:10FromGitter<gogolxdong> what you have expirenced ,performance and productivity.
12:08:46nim_newbOkay
12:09:03FromGitter<mratsim> oh right :). I really think Arraymancer is the fastest™ CPU ndarray/tensor library at the moment, including vs Julia, Numpy/Numba/Cython, Torch (C/Lua). Didn’t bench vs Tensorflow yet because the syntax is just a pain but it’s usually slower than the others (but more scalable on clusters).
12:09:47nim_newbSo can we implement data structures like linked list with GC-ed types? (sorry never used a GC language, I only have a bit of C knowlege, new to programming world)
12:10:12FromGitter<mratsim> Maybe I’ll add a policy “if you find Arraymancer slower on CPU than another lib, it is a bug” :D
12:10:30nim_newbAlso can these two lines be combined into 1 single line? `var start: node` `new(start)`
12:12:03FromGitter<mratsim> @nim_newb usually GC types provide a “constructor” that does the initialization for you. If you create your own type this should go in a "newYourObject"
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12:12:39FromGitter<mratsim> there is no way to combine that, you can hide the ugly details in that constructor
12:13:08nim_newbOkay thanks
12:13:17FromGitter<mratsim> For linked_list I never did it myself but usually, if you’re stuck you can search a Python tutorial and convert it to Nim quite easily
12:14:46FromGitter<mratsim> also check the source code of https://nim-lang.org/docs/deques.html and https://nim-lang.org/docs/queues.html for queues and double ended queues
12:15:29elroodnim_newb, have another look at the last two lines of your insertAtStart procedure
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12:16:47FromGitter<gogolxdong> Studying neural network is my next step , nim NN library will be production-ready at that time, before that I have some solid work to do.
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12:19:07FromGitter<Yardanico> nim_newb you can have a look at https://nim-lang.org/docs/lists.html
12:19:14FromGitter<Yardanico> it's linked list implementation in stdlib
12:19:16nim_newbelrood: Isn't that how it is done in C?
12:21:30FromGitter<alehander42> if you have `a = b` `b = a` is the same as `b = b`
12:21:48FromGitter<mratsim> Offtopic: most disliked languages from stack overflow resume: https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/10/31/disliked-programming-languages/
12:22:18elroodnim_newb, looks like you messed up a little there. did you really mean to assign newNode.link to start? also new(newNode.link) above is kinda redundant
12:25:20livcdso i finally bought Nim in Action
12:25:24nim_newbelrood: Thanks! That fixed it. But why does it now print a 0 as well?
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12:26:51elroodnim_newb, well, your original start node's data is never set to any value, right?
12:28:20nim_newbRemoving the `new(start)` fixed it. Is it the correct fix?
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12:47:49elroodnim_newb, that's fine, then you're assigning a nil pointer to newNode.link in your first insertAtStart invocation. relating to your other question: var newNode = new(node)
12:48:06federico3http://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ relevant
12:50:49livcdCan't build nake. Error: invocation of external linker program failed. Access is denied.
12:51:07nim_newbelrood: Thank you.
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12:51:59elroodno probs. welcome to nim. have fun
12:53:24nim_newbYeah I am gonna be asking a lot of newbie questions in the coming months :D
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12:59:15livcdCan anyone lend a hand ? what kind of linker it wants or how do I get it to print how is it invoking it ?
13:03:07flyxlivcd: --listCmd
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13:16:38livcdhmm
13:18:31Araqlivcd: use --out:bin/nake or something
13:24:07livcdthat's a parameter to ?
13:24:50Araqnim
13:28:32livcdBut I do not have nake I am trying to install it
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13:49:42yglukhovlivcd: why not just nimble install nake?
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14:16:01livcdyglukhov: that's what I do
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14:21:09nim_newblivcd: Which OS are you on?
14:21:42livcdWindows
14:22:49nim_newbAre you able to compile C programs using the installed mingw? because its linker is what is used by nim if you have not selected any other toolchain for nim.
14:24:39nim_newbOr maybe moving mingw to another location will fix it? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/5833
14:25:56livcdnim_newb: oh! i only found the one github issue mentioning whitespaces
14:25:59livcdi'll try that
14:30:45FromGitter<Yardanico> yes, probably you've placed mingw somewhere in program files, and they can be accessed by admin only
14:32:05livcdeh no it's in my C:\
14:35:42Calinoulivcd: you can install MSYS2 to get a recent GCC version, by the way
14:35:47Calinouhttp://www.msys2.org/
14:35:54Calinouit comes with pacman, so you can install many libraries as well, if needed
14:36:13Calinouyou can add "C:\msys2\mingw64\bin" to your PATH
14:36:21Calinou(so you can use it outside of the MSYS2 terminal)
14:45:31FromGitter<gogolxdong> apeal to libvirt-php eventually
14:50:48FromGitter<Gooseus> @dom96 you see my error yesterday trying to publish to nimble? Wasn't sure if I ought to try again or if there was something I needed to change first
14:51:53livcdCalinou: i guess i will try that as I have gcc 7.1.0
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14:55:04nim_newblivcd: the gcc version hosted on nim-lang website is 6.3.0, maybe try that
14:59:10CalinouMSYS2 has 7.2.0 right now
14:59:22FromGitter<data-man> Oh, Delphi. Sometimes I miss.
15:01:22livcddoh
15:09:58FromGitter<data-man> The cligen package was updated if someone uses it
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15:17:15livcdCalinou: ahh after i installed it the mingw32/64 are empty
15:19:53FromGitter<data-man> @livcd: pacman -Syy ?
15:20:56livcdstill empty
15:21:50FromGitter<data-man> pacman -Sl > package.lst
15:22:40FromGitter<data-man> pacman -S mingw32 or something like that
15:23:08livcdtarget not found
15:23:20FromGitter<data-man> see your package.lst
15:23:47livcdit contains ming64 stuff though
15:24:03FromGitter<data-man> pacman -S mingw64
15:25:02livcdsame...
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15:27:12FromGitter<data-man> https://github.com/msys2/msys2/wiki/MSYS2-installation
15:31:38livcdsigh
15:31:42FromGitter<data-man> maybe package mingw-w64-x86_64 exist?
15:32:57FromGitter<data-man> what pacman -Ql mingw-w64-x86_64 output?
15:38:41FromGitter<data-man> also you need git, make, base-devel, ...
15:42:44Araqlivcd: don't use pacman or msys2, clean up your PATH environment var and run finish.exe
15:43:41livcdok
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15:48:44FromGitter<data-man> in vain, msys2 is awesome :)
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15:50:40livcdI am still getting invocation of external linker program failed. Access is denied. my PATH for nim is C:\nim-0.17.2_x64\nim-0.17.2\bin and mingw is C:\MinGW\mingw64\bin. I am able to compile at least hello world from cmd and the gcc points to the mingw location i mentioned earlier
15:50:44livcd:-/
15:51:41CalinouAraq: MSYS2 works fine for me :P
15:51:51Calinoualthough I compiled Nim from source, it's more convenient for me
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15:56:37FromGitter<Yardanico> livcd: try to run cmd from admin
15:56:41FromGitter<Yardanico> And run all
15:56:46livcdi did
15:56:52FromGitter<Yardanico> Hmm
15:57:04livcdi set permissions full control for Everyone for both mingw and nim
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16:02:20FromGitter<data-man> @livcd: Do you have drive D? Better install there.
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16:05:07livcdNo I do not
16:05:45nim_newbHow to declare multiple variables of the same type in multiple lines without repeating the data type multiple times. I mean how to split this declaration into multiple lines as I want to add comments for each variable `var a, b, c, d, e : string`
16:10:24livcdhmm sometimes i get this https://0bin.net/paste/zE2hrij5CKmETkHi#a4fP7ARzW0Bxv5mNFVYzh0tX8sg1FTABNw7zIM3DAb3
16:10:55TjYoconim_newb maybe try this compromise https://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=5a41476998c051ff00515d1512f731a3
16:12:23livcdhmmm i have no clue...i downloaded the mingw64-6.3.0.7z and placed it in the nim dir \dist
16:12:43TjYocootherwise you could probably create a macro that specifies the type you want all the declarations below it be then comment on each line.
16:12:56FromGitter<gogolxdong> How to make jester support php?
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16:17:03nim_newblivcd: have you added mingw64/bin to PATH? Remove the earlier gcc that you had in PATHand add this to PATH
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16:17:35livcdnim_newb: finish added it i even moved it up to be the first
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16:17:58livcdi guess without knowing what external linker program it is trying to use i am stuck
16:19:27nim_newbThe error comes from here https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/7e07fc5893baf40093a44c1cee71feea88555f71/tools/finish.nim#L86 I think it is trying to find `gcc.path = r"$nim\dist\mingw\bin` in config.cfg and changing it to the gcc that it found
16:20:23nim_newbOpen config/nim.cfg in text editor and on line 113 try changing it to point to your gcc directory
16:20:40nim_newb(I am just guessing here, it may or may not fix anything)
16:21:36nim_newbTjYoco: Thank you
16:22:10livcdnim_newb: you guessed right
16:22:18livcdthanks
16:22:29nim_newblivcd: You are welcome :D
16:22:48livcdoh yeah for some reason it had a path to non existing mingw there
16:22:49livcdweird
16:23:26livcdi guess when i ran finish.exe and then i was shuffling around with the mingw's locations
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16:32:27livcdhmm another issues. I cannot compile jsbind because it says it cannot find the libwinpthread-1.dll but that is inside my mingw\bin\
16:34:53TjYocolivcd idk if this matters but is your PATH setuo correctly
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16:41:23livcdoh Local\Temp\nimble_9048\githubcom_yglukhovjsbind\jsbind\nimcache\jsbind_emcc_wrapper_win32.o: No such file or directory
16:43:44livcdwell i have to say this is not one of the best experiences i had :/
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16:50:06nim_newblivcd: How are you installing jsbind?
16:50:48FromGitter<dandevelo> Is there any way to exapnd a converter inline? See this gist: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/89dd85dd8df546247ef51ab48166ab40
16:51:11nim_newblivcd: also can you post a pic (if you are on windows 10) or the complete text (if windows < 10) contained in your path
16:51:22FromGitter<dandevelo> Is there any way to tell the compiler to simply generate a uin32(x) cast instead of a function call?
16:51:59nim_newblivcd: My path contains `E:\Dev\nim\bin;%USERPROFILE%\.nimble\bin;E:\Dev\nim\mingw64\bin` for nim, nimble and mingw respectively
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16:53:52nim_newblivcd: for me `nimble install jsbind` finished successfully without any issues. I would recommend cleaning up your path and the reinstalling nim and mingw (Shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes). Hopefully that would fix all issues.
16:55:27FromGitter<Yardanico> @gogolxdong you can't, because Jester is made for Nim.
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16:56:55FromGitter<Yardanico> @dandevelo what do you want to do ?
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16:58:53FromGitter<dandevelo> @Yardanico It is my C/C++ brain at work :) For the moment the Nim compiler writes that converter in C as a function call and I believe an inline cast would be faster. Just found out about the {.inline.} pragma. Maybe this is what I need?
16:59:09FromGitter<Yardanico> yes
16:59:55nim_newblivcd: You can try to download the repo https://github.com/yglukhov/jsbind and run `nimble install`. If that works, then good enough, else I recommend a clean install of nim and cleansing up of PATH.
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17:00:27FromGitter<Yardanico> @dandevelo, inline maps to *inline*, which is a suggestion to the C compiler to inlien the function
17:00:32FromGitter<Yardanico> `__inline__`
17:00:49FromGitter<Yardanico> C compiler will not always inline your function
17:00:54FromGitter<dandevelo> Yep, I believe that is what I need. Thanks!
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17:06:50FromGitter<data-man> @Yardanico: you read what I told you at night about tcc?
17:12:01FromGitter<Yardanico> @data-man about embedding TCC as a library?
17:14:12FromGitter<data-man> yes
17:15:01FromGitter<data-man> @livcd: I will try to explain to you better. ⏎ Since you write programs for windows, you may need many utilities and libraries for c. ⏎ With msys2 and pacman, you get a handy tool for managing all the tools: make, cmake, gcc, clang, python2 / 3, and much more. ⏎ Do not spare a bit of time to study and in the future you will get many benefits. [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb5294f7299e8f53641121]
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18:09:30FromGitter<mratsim> @dandevelo check the C code, it’s the best way to ensure you get what you expect ;)
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18:10:02Araqor even better: check the produced assembler
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19:23:30PMunchdom96, maybe you should close some of the issues I referenced here: https://github.com/dom96/jester/pull/127
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19:34:21livcddata-man: yeah when I will have the time to dig in. It's a similar wart like gopath in go anyway. Though it's irritating because I thought my PATH is fine
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20:09:28FromGitter<Gooseus> ```code paste, see link``` ⏎ ⏎ ^ any ideas why I would a `Error: cannot evaluate at compile time: notEncode` for this proc here? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb7b7832e080696e595634]
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20:17:40FromGitter<data-man> @Araq: I want to reimplement sighashes. ⏎ Instead of calculating a hashes, make a counter for each a symbol type. ⏎ It seems to me that this will be faster. ⏎ What do you think? [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb7d644ff065ac18aab573]
20:18:40FromGitter<Yardanico> @Gooseus can you show how you're calling this proc?
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20:21:06FromGitter<Yardanico> @Gooseus and btw, why do you need this proc?
20:21:08FromGitter<Yardanico> it's in cgi module
20:21:11FromGitter<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/master/lib/pure/cgi.nim#L34
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20:22:37FromGitter<Gooseus> @Yardanico need it for AWS specific URI encoding, this was actually code that @Varriount gave to me as an optimization yesterday - https://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=143a6db7a8c604e05c42275c5a0d2555
20:23:23FromGitter<Yardanico> ah
20:23:31FromGitter<Yardanico> {"="} is a set of string
20:23:36FromGitter<Yardanico> which is not supported
20:23:41FromGitter<Yardanico> use {'='}
20:24:03FromGitter<Gooseus> ah, that doesn't work either though
20:24:03FromGitter<Yardanico> because chars are made with '
20:24:05FromGitter<Yardanico> it works
20:24:13FromGitter<Yardanico> ah
20:24:15FromGitter<Yardanico> it doesn't :P
20:24:15FromGitter<Yardanico> hmm
20:24:24FromGitter<Yardanico> ah I see
20:24:28FromGitter<Yardanico> there's an error in this code
20:25:36FromGitter<Yardanico> you can't have runtime values in "case" branches
20:25:50FromGitter<Yardanico> try this: ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb7f4df7299e8f53651177]
20:26:17FromGitter<Gooseus> ah, ok, was not aware of that
20:26:37FromGitter<Yardanico> well you can have one "if" here
20:26:42FromGitter<Yardanico> but it would be longer than 80 chars :)
20:28:38FromGitter<Gooseus> haha, yeah? what if that set was a const somewhere else... I'm assuming you can do some set math and just check the result?
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20:30:37FromGitter<Yardanico> well you don't need a const then, directly compare in this proc
20:31:52FromGitter<Gooseus> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb80b7b20c6424297dc388]
20:32:56FromGitter<Yardanico> well no
20:33:05FromGitter<Yardanico> 1) would happen at runtime anyway
20:33:08FromGitter<Yardanico> `+`
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21:10:14Araqdata-man: that means the C code is not really deterministic anymore
21:10:39Araqadd a type to some leave module and watch everything gets rebuild
21:11:34Araqwe used to do that ID generation scheme you suggest
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21:15:39Araq*leaf module
21:17:46FromGitter<data-man> And what about a mangling scheme that is used in the D compiler? https://github.com/dlang/dmd/blob/master/src/ddmd/dmangle.d
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21:26:02FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus It was actually quite nice, optimizing the string handling code.
21:26:17FromGitter<Varriount> It hit a sweet spot with regards to difficulty
21:26:27FromGitter<Yardanico> @Varriount you can't have runtime variables in case statement though :)
21:27:31FromGitter<Varriount> Ah, I can fix that
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21:36:36FromGitter<Varriount> @Gooseus https://play.nim-lang.org/?gist=589d2bd9a2ecfbe9798192a1b691b678
21:36:48FromGitter<Varriount> @Yardanico ^
21:37:21FromGitter<Varriount> I don't know how much of an optimization that is though.
21:37:52FromGitter<Yardanico> maybe it's better to just use if in the second proc?
21:37:54FromGitter<Yardanico> I don't know too
21:38:03FromGitter<Yardanico> you can use "nimbench" to benchmark it :P
21:38:38FromGitter<Varriount> Good idea
21:39:09couven92Araq, there's a future module?
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21:40:02FromGitter<Yardanico> yes
21:40:25couven92huh... where we put future things that we don't know where to put yet?
21:41:42FromGitter<Yardanico> https://nim-lang.org/docs/future.html
21:42:21couven92cool!
21:42:24FromGitter<Yardanico> but -> and => were there since forever :D
21:42:32couven92I didn't know about that
21:42:53couven92Araq, is suggesting to put dom96 requested `asArray` in there...
21:42:54FromGitter<Yardanico> https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/commit/232d2528859f7eb6a47bdc274bcba67c8fdaedff#diff-6c1c594e98efc6fd46a46e1123133483
21:42:57FromGitter<Yardanico> 3 years
21:43:09FromGitter<Varriount> couven92: asArray?
21:43:11couven92And now it actually sounds like a good idea :P
21:43:25FromGitter<Yardanico> @Varriount https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6640
21:43:28couven92https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6640
21:43:48couven92oh, sorry
21:50:55FromGitter<Varriount> I remember a certain compression format for very large files being discussed a week or two ago - anyone know what it was?
21:51:31Araqdata-man: I doubt it would work for Nim, Nim has gensym'ed symbols
21:51:41Araqthey make things more complex
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21:55:08FromGitter<data-man> @Araq: Ok, thanks. But I'll still think about it. :)
21:57:09Araqdata-man: it's been long ago since I benchmarked the compiler
21:57:20Araqis much time spent in the signature hashing?
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22:07:59FromGitter<data-man> @Araq: currently using md5, that very slow
22:08:34FromGitter<mratsim> Is there a way to tell a template not to replace an identifier? ⏎ ⏎ ```template foo(t: typed, axis:int): typed = ⏎ t.axis(axis)``` ⏎ ⏎ I don’t understand when but tome times Nim considers `foo(t, 1)` as `t.1(1)` [https://gitter.im/nim-lang/Nim?at=59fb97622a69af844b3f85b9]
22:08:55FromGitter<data-man> But the Nim compiler is still very fast :)
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22:52:39FromGitter<data-man> @Araq: I updated my PR https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/pull/6600/ for latest changes
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23:36:52FromGitter<Varriount> @mratsim: What about renaming the parameter?
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