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00:22:54FromGitter<zacharycarter> anyone have experience linking static libs for emscripten builds?
00:25:51FromGitter<zacharycarter> nm got it working I believe
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01:24:55libmanHoping for replies to my comment on https://redd.it/6ku81h - considering what would be the leading candidate for a lean copyfree GUI library as an alternative to GTK+ on Unix.
01:34:50PMunchUhm, did you delete it?
01:35:05PMunchAt the top it says "all 2 comments" but I can only see my comment :P
01:37:26PMunchlibman ^
01:37:41libmanYeah, I'm baffled by this as well.
01:38:40PMunchAre you shadowbanned on Reddit? :P
01:38:56libmanI see my comment, but nobody else does (ex. https://archive.is/NVx0b )
01:39:17libmanThat would be the first evidence of this I've ever come across...
01:39:37PMunchThis is really strange
01:39:45PMunchIt could be a slow cache thing
01:40:06PMunchReddit servers aren't known for their superb stability :P
01:40:51libmanPasted my buffer to https://gist.github.com/lbmn/becd973939f6eb397743dd1c590ad898
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01:48:34libmanjustache in #reddit said "your account isn't shadowbanned ,but that comment got removed".
01:49:38PMunchAny reason why?
01:49:43PMunchIt's a legitimate question..
01:51:37libmanGuess dom96 / mkartic finally got tired of my philosophizings and nearly zero public code...
01:52:54PMunchBut to answer your question
01:53:15PMunchI feel like the best approach would be to have one core, and then modular targets
01:54:11PMunchSo I could do "nimble install nigui-gtk" which would grab the version of nigui it depended on and install both
01:54:26PMunchwxWidgets for example has an X target
01:55:08PMunchWhich isn't very well maintained and makes it confusing as you download a release version and the X target simply doesn't work.
01:55:42PMunchThat way the original creator can focus on the targets that he wanted to have, and others could create new, and maintain optional versions.
01:57:35PMunchAs for which GUI toolkit to go for as a copyfree alternative I would say that the wxWidgets X target does a pretty good job, so maybe that could be replicated? Tk is also an interesting option as I've seen it around a bit. Nuklear also has it's merits, mainly since it's already cross-platform in itself and has gained a bit of traction within Nim. So it would work nicely as an "optional" target.
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02:02:21libmanWouldn't targeting X directly involve more work for than using something like Nuklear?
02:02:35libman(BTW, FYI: wxWindows License is just slightly tweaked LGPL - http://copyfree.org/standard/rejected )
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02:11:26FromGitter<zacharycarter> Nuklear requires drawing backends to be implemented
02:11:39FromGitter<zacharycarter> just FYI
02:17:16PMunchlibman, of course it would be more work. But you could possibly "borrow" something from wxWidgets
02:20:22libmanSorry, I'm less interested in this research topic if the discussion isn't taking place on some place like Reddit...
02:23:42libmanShadow-bans are most disturbing. I guess this isn't a good day / month / year / lifetime for my clawing my way out of programming schizophrenia. All I ask is that people be honest with me...
02:31:15PMunchYeah that was weird..
02:37:01libmanI should just code C. I might have accomplished something by now...
02:38:44PMunchHaha, Nim is so much easier than C though :P
02:40:20libmanNot when you start discussing things with other humans.
02:40:53PMunchWell, nothing is..
02:41:41FromGitter<zacharycarter> discuss less, code more :P
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02:58:34libmanWell, I can't code Nim if I'm shadow-banned from r/Nim...
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02:59:56FromGitter<zacharycarter> why not?
03:00:05FromGitter<zacharycarter> also shadowbans are common in reddit, they're nothing personal and easy to get fixed
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03:24:43libmanIt's most likely a reddit issue based on one of the URLs. My "test post" went through, but it disappeared when I edited it and pasted the lost buffer into it. Told ya Reddit was evil...
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03:33:08PMunchI see your link post though libman
03:33:39libmanYup. Most likely Reddit doesn't like links to Tck.Tk :P
03:34:24libman*Tcl
03:34:48PMunchWell, lot's of weird stuff on .tk domains :P
03:36:11libmanReddit's AI decided that I was calling for "nuklear" terrorism against Tokelau.
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04:44:26FromGitter<Varriount> Anyone still up?
04:45:32FromGitter<zacharycarter> o/
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04:49:14FromGitter<Varriount> @zacharycarter Hows Zengine going? Anything I can help with?
04:49:47FromGitter<zacharycarter> @Varriount I haven't been working on it much. I've kind of been fumbling not really sure what steps to take on it
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04:50:13FromGitter<zacharycarter> I keep coming back to whether or not I really want to use bgfx / whether I still want to make a game engine or not
04:50:37FromGitter<Varriount> Hm.
04:50:42FromGitter<zacharycarter> I'm wondering if my time might be better spent trying to get Nim and Godot playing nicely
04:51:23FromGitter<Varriount> "GUI programming is one of the leading causes of programmer burnout. " <- Godot documentation
04:51:35FromGitter<zacharycarter> heh
04:52:24FromGitter<Varriount> What's it written in?
04:52:34FromGitter<zacharycarter> C++ I believe
04:52:45FromGitter<Varriount> Hrm.
04:52:45FromGitter<zacharycarter> but they have this new feature called Godot Native
04:53:01FromGitter<zacharycarter> https://godotengine.org/article/dlscript-here
04:54:21FromGitter<Varriount> Hm. Sounds like you would still have to write the game in C++ though
04:55:04FromGitter<zacharycarter> I think GDNative allows you to write the game in whatever language you want
04:55:09FromGitter<zacharycarter> as long as bindings exist for it
04:59:29FromGitter<zacharycarter> I've been playing around with my old Dengine project trying to get skeletal animation working properly
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05:00:01FromGitter<zacharycarter> I think what I may do is prototype some stuff out in Kotlin and then re-write it in Nim
05:07:19FromGitter<Varriount> @zacharycarter You could help go through all these pull requests.
05:07:24FromGitter<Varriount> We have 3 pages of them
05:07:37FromGitter<Varriount> One was made in 2015!
05:07:50FromGitter<zacharycarter> jesus
05:08:49FromGitter<Varriount> A good project would be to take the ones that are waiting on submitter changes, and just make them ourselves
05:09:00FromGitter<zacharycarter> yeah
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05:37:30Trioxinhow to convert value type int to string?
05:38:21Trioxinuse parseInt for the other way around but just realized I didn't know how to go the other way
05:40:37FromGitter<zacharycarter> $int
05:42:14Trioxinoh, also just found intToString
05:42:25TrioxinintToStr rather
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06:08:11tankfeedermorning
06:19:07FromGitter<zacharycarter> o/
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07:34:03tankfeederlet m = "abc"
07:34:14tankfeederhow to convert m[1] to cstring ?
07:34:51FromGitter<zacharycarter> echo m[1].cstring ?
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07:38:41ArrrrMaybe you have to cast that char to string before
07:48:45tankfeederecho m[1].cstring - doesnt work
07:49:27FromGitter<ephja> convert it to a string first
07:49:37tankfeedertrying
07:49:52FromGitter<ephja> $m[1].cstring
07:49:58FromGitter<ephja> but you might need parentheses somewhere
07:50:29tankfeederecho $m[1].cstring - doesnt work
07:50:34tankfeederprog.nim(2, 8) Error: type mismatch: got (char) but expected 'cstring = CString'
07:50:47tankfeederplayground - http://ideone.com/j9kTOO
07:52:18def-echo(($m[1]).cstring)
07:53:08tankfeedero
07:53:53tankfeederthanks
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08:31:49skrylargood old string conversion woes
08:31:56skrylarwasting CPU cycles throughout the ages
08:33:25tankfeederonly need to tests
08:33:49tankfeederi've implement blake2 library and trying to pull request now
08:38:32skrylaroh you got that working? neat. did you reimplement in nim or write a wrapper
08:41:15tankfeederin nim
08:41:23skrylarneat.
08:41:51tankfeederwhat to see? i've post announce to forum, but i dont see the post if logout
08:42:02tankfeederwhat -> want
08:47:24euantorYour account/post needs approving by somebody with access such as dom96
08:47:42skrylari wasn't aware we did that kind of thing now
08:48:05tankfeederok
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08:56:41tankfeederwhat i need to do if my new thread post on forum doesnt listed ?
08:58:01euantorIt should be approved at some point whenever somebody with access gets a chance :) skrylar: Pretty sure we do, I think it was added due to some spam
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11:00:47FromGitter<TiberiumN> Araq, hi, how to use your library in another folder? https://github.com/nim-lang/ui
11:00:54FromGitter<TiberiumN> Is it possible currently?
11:02:17skrylarTiberiumN if you are using something from a git checkout you just put it somewhere else and then use the relative path in your import statement. or add it as a search directory.
11:02:23skrylaralso i didn't know libui existed and that we had bindings to it
11:03:40FromGitter<TiberiumN> also trustable is doing this - https://github.com/trustable-code/NiGui
11:03:50FromGitter<TiberiumN> this looks very cool (it doesn't have libui dependency)
11:04:04FromGitter<TiberiumN> but it doesn't work currently for me, because winapi differs on 32bit and 64bit
11:05:04skrylari had part of this neat thing written in Go, but it only worked with winapis.
11:05:24FromGitter<TiberiumN> trustable has already done win32 and gtk3 bindings
11:05:47skrylari just took the basic idea of a scene graph and applied it to UIs. so you created menus by attaching buttons underneath buttons and then attaching that whole thing to a menu bar
11:06:10skrylarit was kind of neat because it all just worked by intent, but meh
11:08:24skrylarshould see if i still have some of that miglayout code around. i think i tried implementing that in nim
11:08:48skrylarits nice because its completely agnostic of your UI framework so you can take any old widget bag and have this really powerful thing, but it's annoying to code.
11:09:18skrylarmight make good resume fodder. dunno if nim code makes a dent in a resume tho
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11:24:38euantorHas anybody recently used `asyncdispatch.recvLine` with an unbuffered `AsyncSocket`? I'm getting the error `Error: unhandled exception: Future still in progress.` for this line: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/master/lib/pure/asyncnet.nim#L537
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11:37:47euantorChanging lines 537 and 544 to `c = await recvFut` seems to fix the problem for me, but not sure if this is the correct approach...
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11:43:35FromGitter<ephja> otherwise it might not have finished, right?
11:45:04FromGitter<ephja> I wonder if it has only been tested in low latency environments (locally)
11:45:14euantorYeah, that's what I think
11:45:18ftsfhmm in parsecfg setSectionKey("foo","bar","-1") makes the file have [foo]\nbar=-1
11:45:26euantorI'm guessing it's maybe only been tested with buffered sockets
11:46:00FromGitter<ephja> or with buffered sockets
11:46:27skrylarunbuffered sockets might not be set up to notify futures that they were fulfilled
11:46:46ftsfhowever then getSectionValue("foo", "bar") returns ""
11:46:51ftsfseems -1 needs to be quoted
11:46:58skrylaryou wouldn't normally use futures for unbuffered streams 'cause you would just get possibly incomplete results.
11:47:03skrylarso it might not be tested for it?
11:48:23euantorI'd guess it's not tested, but the documentation for the `recvLine` and `recvLineInto` functions both mention unbuffered sockets in a way that makes you think they should work
11:48:42skrylarso much for reasonable doubt ._.
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11:56:47ftsfhttps://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/6046
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13:33:48skrylarhrmm.. very basic javascript compile from nim makes a 56kb monster file :(
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13:34:36skrylarit does get down to 30kb or so through uglifyjs and then ~8kb through gzip, so that's not unlivable. would be curious to see how that stacks up when doing real site work
13:35:27FromGitter<andreaferretti> are you using `-d:release`?
13:35:44skrylari didn't in the test i just did
13:36:10libmandom96: can you please put the Reddit shadow-censorship ambiguity to rest? https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/comments/6kxn6p/comment_shadowcensored_presumably_automatically/
13:36:26FromGitter<andreaferretti> well, then try again :-)
13:36:51skrylarsaves about 6k before compression
13:37:18FromGitter<andreaferretti> I have a basic react application which boils down to 26kb
13:37:35FromGitter<andreaferretti> I guess that's more or less the baseline
13:37:56FromGitter<andreaferretti> not much these days anyway
13:38:00skrylarthat includes a lot of javascript doing silly things tho. the nim app just does nothing
13:38:22skrylarit might be fine when doing a lot of work, i don't know. delphi used to have a large initial size and tiny growth over time.
13:41:05FromGitter<andreaferretti> well, I don't think that's a lot anyway
13:41:20FromGitter<andreaferretti> afaik, scala.js should be in the same ballpark
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14:51:13Sentreendom96: is there any way to use `config.nims` for both the build configuration and nimble? It seems kind of silly (to me) that there is both a name.nimble and name.nims file, when some logic (e.g. version numbers) needs to be present in both.
14:52:13SentreenI know it's possible to create a `build.nim` file where you put the shared functionality, but that's pretty unwieldy in practice IMO.
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15:01:33FromGitter<andreaferretti> you can use .nimble for the build configuration
15:01:40FromGitter<andreaferretti> and just do without .nims
15:05:20Sentreen... I'm feeling really stupid for never considering that.
15:05:50SentreenThanks for the pointer :)
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15:27:14FromGitter<andreaferretti> https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/languages/community-supported-languages/#How-do-I-add-a-new-community-supported-language%3F
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15:42:34euantorWould be nice to get Nim added there. I'm using Circle CI at the minute for my builds as their new container based approach is pretty nice: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki/BuildServices#building-nim-projects-on-circle-ci-v20-currently-in-beta
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17:49:07arecacea1hey, someone aware of an easy compiler flag to compile on a linux system for windows using mingw? - I've seen someone generating C files and compiling them separately, doesn't the nim compiler itself support anything in that direction?
17:50:45dom96libman: I reinstated your comment, no idea how it was removed. I PM'd the other mod to see if they removed it.
17:53:12ArrrrIs it possible to 'restart' closures?
17:54:32ArrrrI guess no
17:55:19Arrrr*iterator closures
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18:04:20FromGitter<Varriount> arecacea: Try the "os" flag, `--os:windows` should tell the Nim compiler to generate backend code for windows
18:06:32dom96You'll need to tell Nim what C compiler to use as well, see the nim.cfg for some examples of how to configure that.
18:08:48arecacea1Thanks, I've found something to put in the cmdline but when I put it in the nim.cfg it doesn't work: http://ix.io/yey claiming -- nim.cfg(3, 18) Error: invalid command line option: '--w64'
18:10:19arecacea1It works on the commandline tho :)
18:11:17arecacea1How do I ping FromGitter's? Just FromGitter ?
18:12:43shmupkinda neat https://github.com/fiatjaf/module-linker (browse modules by clicking directly on "import" statements on GitHub), works for nim
18:13:19dom96arecacea1: Just type in the nick names of the person you want to highlight.
18:13:29arecacea1dom96: thanks Varriount: thanks
18:14:59shashlickgeneral question - what areas of Nim dev/test/doc can do with some newbie help? How do you usually get new volunteers started up?
18:15:45dom96We have issues that are labelled as "Easy"
18:15:59dom96Those are usually good for newbies to fix.
18:18:25shashlickI took a look at those
18:18:31dom96Have you guys seen this error before? https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/issues/24
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18:32:38shmupgetting this error when trying to build nimble with `koch nimble` https://gist.github.com/shmup/1c711511b178f7e7c670686c94578d38
18:32:54shmupi've done everything else, to build from source: mingw used to build nim, then built koch
18:34:34dom96shmup: Maybe you could give choosenim a try instead?
18:35:03shmupwell I kind of backed out for now re: https://github.com/dom96/choosenim/issues/20
18:35:11dom96shashlick: Didn't find them interesting?
18:35:23shmupoh wait sorry dom96, yeah that was me but it wasn't the reason I backed out. was it.. the problem with x64? hm.
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18:35:56shmupdom96: I wanna tackle some issues on Github, so I figured building manually would make sense. does choosenim let me target a local repo?
18:36:23dom96shmup: ahh ok. Choosenim does but it expects it to be built already
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18:37:03shashlickdom96: where do you prefer questions on how to fix? on IRC, Github comments, private messages, etc?
18:37:17shmupcomments would be best for the community I think
18:37:40dom96shashlick: You can ask here, but ask the channel not me personally. I will answer them as best I can, but just don't highlight me too much :)
18:37:50dom96and if nobody gets back to you then ask on GitHub
18:38:18shashlicksounds fair
18:38:30dom96This IRC channel is logged so it can be used as a reference for others too.
18:38:35shashlickas an aside, happy to help with documentation and build/installer issues
18:38:37shmupfair again
18:38:48dom96But shmup is right, GitHub may be easier to find for newbies.
18:39:28dom96Currently every module needs better documentation :)
18:39:37dom96In particular easy to grok examples
18:40:42dom96That means: simple, to the point and short.
18:41:35shashlickfor issues, what do you prefer - oldest to newest or do you have priority on the easies :D
18:42:25dom96I don't really mind. Whatever catches your eye.
18:42:41dom96You can also help by going through issues and verifying whether it is still an issue.
18:43:02dom96andreaferretti found many old issues that way that we were able to close :)
18:43:20shashlicknice, sounds good, will take a look
18:45:20shmupdoes this still seem like the good plan you think? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/issues/1498#issuecomment-305149188
18:45:28shmupdeprecating not for integers
18:48:22Arrrrreplacing it with `~` ?
18:48:32ArrrrSeems like a good idea
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18:56:33dom96shmup: I think so, and yes, go for the `~` not for Araq's suggestion of "bnot".
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19:04:56shmupdom96: what confused me about this issue is, on one hand I thought we were wanting to make a patch to have that output true
19:05:12shmupbut is the real solution using a ~ and deprecating not so that at least the output of false "makes more sense"
19:05:24shmupand letting it evaluate as it does
19:05:26dom96I think eventually we will remove the 'not' for ints
19:05:35dom96and then the example will output true
19:05:41*shmup nods
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19:21:20shmupwhen building on windows, https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim, following along with the git clone csources and whatnot, wanted to point out that when done building, nim.exe is actually in csources/bin, not ../bin
19:24:09shmupignore me. user error :)
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20:12:45shmuphm, can I get some insight? My PR failed travis because: https://travis-ci.org/nim-lang/Nim/jobs/249754090#L2560
20:12:53shmupFAIL:
20:13:00shmups/FAIL://
20:17:34shmupso I see the test is supposed to fail. Maybe someone can help me understand more about what I should be doing before I PR: https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/d7eb146d28515e9aea5ae0f98e01b09bd96b5919/tests/concepts/t3330.nim#L40
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21:30:52FromGitter<Varriount> shmup: Is that a new test>
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23:14:02FromGitter<indy9000_twitter> I'm trying to use `parallel` statement as shown in https://nim-lang.org/docs/manual.html#parallel-spawn-parallel-statement
23:15:02FromGitter<indy9000_twitter> But I get the: `Error: use the {.experimental.} pragma to enable 'parallel'` ⏎ Where should this pragma be placed?
23:35:16FromGitter<zacharycarter> anywhere above where you're trying to use an experimental feature @indy9000_twitter
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