<< 03-11-2023 >>
00:43:59FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> No cyclic imports is so harsh 😵‍💫
00:44:26FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Gotta throw every object I make into their own file
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01:02:09rockcaverawick3dr0se, put all types in a single file, unless you will only use it within the file you declared
01:02:46FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Yea may as well call it types.nim or something 😅
01:02:58FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> RIP architecture
01:10:17rockcaverayes, it's even a note in this project of mine https://github.com/rockcavera/nim-nlox#challenges-when-using-nim
01:12:24FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> What's so hard about emuatating java's `equals`?
01:18:04rockcaveraElegantbeef, my experience with Java was practically zero when I started. During the project, some tests did not work and the error was in `equals()`. Unfortunately, Nim's `==` didn't always do the same job in Java.
01:19:05rockcaveralooking at the code now, it doesn't even seem like I wasted a lot of time on `equals()`
01:19:18FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Afaik `equals` is supposed to be like value comparison which `==` does on value types, on reference types you need to implement your own `==`
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02:59:22NimEventerNew thread by Col: What's stopping Nim from going mainstream? (And how to fix it?), see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10595
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05:07:47FromDiscord<jviega> @wick3dr0se if you {.exportc, .cdecl.} functions you can prototype them in other modules (generally declare them {.cdecl, nodecl.}) to avoid issues.
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06:55:23FromDiscord<gogolxdong666> what's solution to solve nimble package any version not found?
07:03:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @gogolxdong666 "what's solution to solve": If it's not found, try going to the git url
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07:43:08FromDiscord<gogolxdong666> it's like recursively
07:43:16FromDiscord<gogolxdong666> many not found
07:45:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hm, no idea then
07:45:55FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @gogolxdong666 "it's like recursively": Try `nimble refresh` then try installing it again
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09:00:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not at the stage yet, but looking into how the chat protocol should be transferred as such
09:00:51FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Since I remember people here saying that it'd be better to build on an existing one rather than rolling your own
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09:55:06FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wonder if using WASM as a runtime for other scripting languages to run on is becoming better and better as an option
10:01:50FromDiscord<nnsee> i mean, i use wasm in my minecraft server for extensibility support, i think it's ideal since you're not limiting extension developers to one predefined language
10:10:27FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh? You do?
10:10:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh wait didn't you make an MC classic server?
10:14:58FromDiscord<nnsee> yerp
10:15:08FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Oh? You do?": it's in a bit of a WIP phase
10:15:30FromDiscord<nnsee> i've got a working proof of concept but it's not exactly fleshed out and i need to add more hooks for callbacks
10:16:40FromDiscord<nnsee> i'm using beef's wasm3 runtime for the runtime https://github.com/beef331/wasm3
10:16:48FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair aha, I should work on my own impl tbh
10:17:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I do have a library for working with packets and such at least!
10:17:27FromDiscord<nnsee> i realized i need to refactor how i handle packets
10:17:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "i'm using beef's wasm3": It is pretty useful tbf
10:17:41FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "i realized i need": How do you handle them currently?
10:17:51FromDiscord<nnsee> otherwise, implementing CPEs (classic protocol extensions) is going to be a pain
10:18:40FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "How do you handle": very sloppily
10:18:40FromDiscord<ravinder387> what is the future of nim
10:18:46FromDiscord<nnsee> for example, for outbound packets: https://git.dog/xx/fastcube/src/branch/master/src/outbound.nim#L94
10:18:46FromDiscord<ravinder387> anybody know
10:18:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "otherwise, implementing CPEs (classic": Sounds useful!
10:19:04PMunchravinder387, let me grab a crystal ball and find out
10:19:13PMunchOr do you mean like a roadmap or similar?
10:19:13FromDiscord<nnsee> look at this... painful to look at https://git.dog/xx/fastcube/src/branch/master/src/inbound.nim#L56
10:19:20FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nnsee "for example, for outbound": Ah, generics could definitely help with that
10:19:53FromDiscord<nnsee> lol. yes.
10:19:57FromDiscord<ravinder387> roadmap
10:20:29FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @ravinder387 "roadmap": https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/503
10:20:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I have https://github.com/Nimberite-Development/ModernNet currently if you'd like to steal some stuff from there, but betting it's p useless since this is for the modern protocol aha
10:20:53FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Ah, generics could definitely": the code for handling packets started as a minimal WIP that I just kept tacking different packet types onto
10:21:05FromDiscord<nnsee> before i knew it, i had something that was like something out of a lovecraft novel
10:21:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I mean, fair lol
10:21:38FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I have https://github.com/Nimberite-Development/Mod": neat. the classic and modern protocols share quite a few similarities tbh
10:21:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh do they? Cool!
10:22:12FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also I'm planning on dumping the usage of streams completely tbh (and hopefully making this work with `Socket`s as well)
10:22:37FromDiscord<jmgomez> In reply to @nnsee "https://github.com/nim-lang/RFCs/issues/503": I think this is more accurate: https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10594
10:22:45FromDiscord<nnsee> right, thanks
10:30:06FromDiscord<ravinder387> I'm getting this error recently https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/371759389889003532/1169946590300078150/Screenshot_2023-11-03_155938.png?ex=655740ab&is=6544cbab&hm=81f737d963ef827764dacfa33ad30919036eeda868c0b1c3663d7f153510c05d&
10:30:06FromDiscord<ravinder387> why
10:35:10FromDiscord<nnsee> unrelated to nim
10:35:15FromDiscord<nnsee> your PATH is broken
10:35:41FromDiscord<nnsee> do you have `%SystemRoot%\system32` in your PATH?
10:35:55FromDiscord<nnsee> see https://stackoverflow.com/a/8143664
10:39:36FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I despise naming of
10:39:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> oof
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10:48:50FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "I despise naming of": Welcome to my life
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10:59:51FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Do you know how I can save files persistently with Emscripten and JSBind please?
11:05:09Amun-Rahttps://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/JavaScript/Client-side_web_APIs/Client-side_storage
11:14:27FromDiscord<Bung> is there easy way generate nim binding for https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/next/include/tidy.h ?
11:14:55FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @Bung "is there easy way": tried futhark?
11:19:51FromDiscord<Bung> haven't it todos says "Proper handling of C macros ", am worry about that
11:22:45FromDiscord<nnsee> doesn't seem to be many macros in there
11:23:05FromDiscord<nnsee> just your regular if(n)defs
11:23:27FromDiscord<nnsee> mostly just extern C wrapping for cpp and some DOXYGEN stuff
11:24:33FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @Amun-Ra "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Java": Oh alright, and for loading I'd have to return a pointer and a size I think
11:25:06FromDiscord<Bung> ok , thanks for confirming that, I'll try it.
11:25:36FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wondering if `type Buffer = distinct seq[byte]` is sensible if I wanna replace `Stream`s...
11:26:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Also wondering if it's better to use bitops or if casting an array of bytes to an int is better hmm
11:28:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not too confident on my skills for writing something as important as this tbh, lol
11:30:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Shouldn't be too hard
11:47:35PMunchBung, it handles most stuff, but it can't do function style macros
11:47:55PMunchIt doesn't throw an error though, just doesn't wrap them. So you can have Futhark wrap everything else
11:56:22FromDiscord<Bung> nice!↵(<@709044657232936960_=50=4dunch=5b=49=52=43=5d>)
12:26:33FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Shouldn't be *too* hard": Not confident in my ability to do that lol, I'll just stick with streams
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13:10:28NimEventerNew post on r/nim by Robert_Bobbinson: Idiomatic Nim. Resources?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/17muqdv/idiomatic_nim_resources/
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14:44:45FromDiscord<jviega> You're just thinking about replacing the overall streams library??
14:46:16FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @jviega "You're just thinking about": Just my usage of them aha, right now my code reads from a socket into a string, which works fine but I don't need a lot of what it provides
14:46:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> A byte sequence would work just as well, I'd just need to make a few procs to read data from it
14:48:13FromDiscord<jviega> I guess I'm trying to understand where streams don't meet your needs and what your requirements are
14:50:34FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Ah, they do meet my requirements here, just saying that I don't need all the functionality they provide (such as being able to use `FileStream`s)↵↵Not sure how to describe my requirements properly though, best I could say is that I needed a way to read and write data that can be sent over the network via TCP (Which streams do)
14:55:32FromDiscord<jviega> Okay, is there something abstraction wise that would make your life easier??
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14:57:52FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `read` (for types such as `int8` or `uint32`) has made my life a bit easier tbf, but the behaviour could easily be replicated
14:58:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> That essentially the only thing, other than `write` that I've been using aha
14:58:59FromDiscord<jviega> Do those calls handle endianness automatically?
14:59:25FromDiscord<jviega> Not that endianness is all that important in DIY land since every machine is basically little endian these days
14:59:47FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> They don't that's something I have to handle myself anyway aha
15:00:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Since MC's packets are (normally) BE data
15:00:36FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Since MC's packets are": yes. painful. that's why my code was littered with `swap`s
15:01:17FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
15:01:18FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> :)
15:01:29FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> And the helper procs I made handle this automatically anyway
15:02:09FromDiscord<leorize> use status-im/stew/endians2
15:02:09FromDiscord<leorize> std endians is horrifying
15:03:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Doesn't support signed ints aha
15:03:26FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Not hard to add manually but
15:05:59FromDiscord<leorize> signed int is terrifying \:P
15:06:30FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> 🤷‍♀️ blame MC lol
15:06:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I'll just copy-paste and modify slightly
15:10:20FromDiscord<leorize> you do know you can just cast them to uint and back, right?
15:10:57FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I mean, I could, but it's more convinient to not need to do that in the first place
15:11:23FromDiscord<leorize> you can write a wrapper to cast it for you \:p
15:12:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> You make a fair point ✨
15:13:08NimEventerNew thread by SuaveSteve: My experiences with Nim, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10596
15:13:37FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
15:14:32FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Wrong block
15:21:34FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
15:21:42FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> (edit)
15:22:13FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> (edit)
15:23:28FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Mostly not sure how things like `using` and `constexpr` work in Nim
15:27:33Amun-Racan't see an example, but: using is builto-in and constexpr is just const
15:31:08FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> In reply to @Amun-Ra "can't see an example,": You can't see the snippet I shared?
15:32:06Amun-Rano, these links are filtered out
15:32:20Amun-Ra"wick3dr0se | sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!"
15:32:45Amun-Rayou can see them on discord only
15:33:56FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Oh damn that sucks. Seems like most of you guys use Matrix ig?
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15:34:29Amun-Radunno
15:34:36Amun-RaI'm on IRC
15:39:15FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I'm writing a game with SDL and the code block I sent is at 7 minutes in this video (if anyone is interested). Been converting this series to Nim and didnt have an issue till this https://iteroni.com/watch?v=XsvI8Sng6dk&list=PLhfAbcv9cehhkG7ZQK0nfIGJC_C-wSLrx&index=8
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15:40:43Amun-Rathis?
15:41:23FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> If you cant see links or code blocks thats crazy. I can see everything lol
15:42:11Amun-RaI can see the video
15:42:45FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> At 7 mins that file is what I shared in the code block
15:49:14FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
15:49:44FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> (edit)
15:52:31FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Was hoping there is some alternative in std libraries for bitset 🫤
15:53:04FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> also you maybe can use bitty https://github.com/treeform/bitty
15:53:48FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @wick3dr0se "Was hoping there is": Bloat™️
15:53:56FromDiscord<demotomohiro> Or you can implement your own bitset.
15:54:02FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> No point shipping something apart of the stdlib if it won't get the attention it needs
15:54:49FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> In reply to @demotomohiro "Or you can implement": I havent considered what bitset really does but that doesn't sound too fun 😅
15:55:22Amun-Rayou can implement bitset using set
15:57:08FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "No point shipping something": I just prefer stick to std libs when possible. Just for prefrence
15:57:18FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> And itll get some love eventually
15:57:52FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I know treeform makes a lot of solid third party libs tho
15:59:15FromDiscord<nnsee> i've just used enums and sets
15:59:20FromDiscord<nnsee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
16:01:31FromDiscord<griffith1deadly> In reply to @griffith1deadly "https://github.com/JorySchossau/bitset for bitset, ": also i think that ptr Component can be replaced with ref object definition of Component
16:02:08FromDiscord<ravinder387> https://web-frameworks-benchmark.netlify.app/result can i believe to this report?
16:03:09FromDiscord<nnsee> yes, but the results are meaningless
16:03:23FromDiscord<nnsee> they don't reflect real world usage
16:11:47FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Thanks guys!! I'll do what I can with that 😅
16:16:47FromDiscord<graveflo> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
16:19:10FromDiscord<odexine> What’s the intention with that true with a block?
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16:19:52FromDiscord<graveflo> oh that was a typo.. I was editing this alot
16:21:05FromDiscord<graveflo> is the declaration of generic proc types usable?
16:32:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @wick3dr0se "And itll get some": Stuff is being moved out of the stdlib slowly, actually :p
16:33:49FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Stuff is being moved": Oh man 😦 the std libs are pretty amazing
16:34:50FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I have noticed that stuff disappears though.. Like setting the terminal to raw mode with std/terminal
16:39:41FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Oh?
16:46:07FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I started a little module for it https://github.com/wick3dr0se/term probably should rename it but if you see any of my stuff; Naming is not my thing 😅
16:46:24FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> For things I needed that weren't in the terminal library
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16:52:07FromDiscord<jviega> That’s because raw mode means different things go different people
16:52:08FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Fair, and naming is the bane of my existence haha
16:54:46FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Well terminal raw mode is pretty standard where buffering is disabled, no line editing, control characters are interpreted and more.. Raw and cooked are just common terms for setting the terminal into those modes just as `stty` does
16:56:41FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> They still have rawMode implemented but it's just not exported https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/blob/version-2-0/lib/pure/terminal.nim#L258C6-L258C6
16:56:58FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> (edit) "rawMode" => "raw mode"
17:03:32FromDiscord<jviega> No, lots of differences in whether things like ISIG, IXON, and OPROC are part of raw mode
17:04:25FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Yea it can be but at that point write it from scratch
17:04:57FromDiscord<jviega> ? Historically those things were in raw mode when it was fairly consistent
17:06:17FromDiscord<jviega> Lots of stuff. I’m on a phone right now but I think the well-known build a text editor tutorial hits the old classic, which is not a useful set of options for 99% of cases
17:06:26FromDiscord<jviega> But is often what people think of
17:07:25FromDiscord<jviega> My point is that “raw mode” isn’t a term worth using these days, it brings the wrong set of functionality to mind to the people that know the term
17:07:42FromDiscord<jviega> And for people that don’t, they won’t find a consistent definition anymore
17:07:50FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Well this is for TUI stuff and its based off how `stty` does thing which I'd say it standard due to how widely used it is
17:07:59FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> (edit) "thing" => "things"
17:08:06FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> And its still used..
17:08:28FromDiscord<jviega> stty will do anything, that’s part of its point
17:08:38FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I get what you mean but people will adapt
17:08:51FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> `stty raw`
17:09:21FromDiscord<jviega> Well these days that behavior even depends on the os iirc
17:09:43FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> I have widely used projects with `stty`
17:10:02FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> This is all news for me 😅
17:10:37FromDiscord<jviega> I’m old and have been writing pty code for 30 years 😉
17:11:50FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Haha I havent been around that long yet. Just been writing since I started on my GH. Sometime since 2021 I think
17:11:55FromDiscord<wick3dr0se> Just wrote a shitload of bash
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17:41:39FromDiscord<jviega> Here's my current project using termios if you're interested: https://github.com/crashappsec/cap10
17:45:43NimEventerNew thread by Charles: Error: expression 'x' is of type 'y' and has to be used (or discarded), see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10597
17:53:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hey y'all, how do I decide between a proc with an inline pragma or a template? :p
18:00:25FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "Hey y'all, how do": proc without the inline pragma, let the compiler decide to inline.↵Unless you actually have a benchmark to prove you otherwise that it makes sense, go just proc and let the compiler decide.
18:11:05FromDiscord<stoneface86> a rule of thumb I follow is if it's a simple one-liner then I'll just template it
18:11:34FromDiscord<stoneface86> but yeah, best to just use proc unless you have benchmarked it
18:11:57FromDiscord<stoneface86> I don't bother with {.inline.}
18:12:14FromDiscord<jmgomez> you shouldnt abuse templates as it increases comp times though
18:14:29FromDiscord<Phil> Basically: Just accept that the compiler is better than you at this 90% of the time unless you know better
18:14:40FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "Basically: Just accept that the compiler is better than you at this 90% of the time unless you know better ... " added "and have proof"
18:15:30FromDiscord<Phil> But by default - Compiler knows best, any statement otherwise demands evidence in the form of benchmarks.
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18:17:53FromDiscord<.aingel.> Can anyone give me some quick docs or something to read about templates? The official doc page seemed pretty complicated
18:18:03FromDiscord<.aingel.> i'm sure there are lots of features but I just wanted to get the basics down
18:21:38FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @isofruit "proc without the inline": Fair enough
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18:31:53FromDiscord<nervecenter> How do I get nim 2.0 to make use of `~/.nimble/pkgs2` instead of `~/.nimble/pkgs`? It keeps trying to use my old 1.6.14 packages.
18:32:12FromDiscord<nervecenter> I don't use nimble except to install packages, I use Makefiles and `nim c`
18:33:38FromDiscord<graveflo> `nimblepath` in `nim.cfg`?
18:34:06FromDiscord<nervecenter> I don't use nimble in my projects
18:34:14FromDiscord<nervecenter> Or
18:34:19FromDiscord<nervecenter> is this a global nim thing
18:34:25FromDiscord<graveflo> then use no nimble path cli option or remove those lines from nim.cfg
18:34:35FromDiscord<graveflo> there is a global `nim.cfg`
18:34:49FromDiscord<graveflo> in your toolchain dir from either manual install or choosenim
18:35:13FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @.aingel. "Can anyone give me": https://internet-of-tomohiro.netlify.app/nim/faq.en.html#frequently-asked-questions-about-nim-programming-language-template
18:35:16FromDiscord<graveflo> or just use atlas because it autiomatically sets up no nimble path
18:35:26FromDiscord<graveflo> (edit) "autiomatically" => "automatically"
18:35:27FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @graveflo "in your toolchain dir": Gooot it, I see
18:35:36FromDiscord<nervecenter> `.choosenim/toolchains/nim-2.0.0/config/nim.cfg`
18:35:44FromDiscord<graveflo> yea
18:37:24FromDiscord<.aingel.> In reply to @demotomohiro "https://internet-of-tomohiro.netlify.app/nim/faq.en": Thank you very much!
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18:46:00FromDiscord<Phil> demotomohiro once again swooping in to save a day 😄 !
18:46:47FromDiscord<Phil> In reply to @demotomohiro "https://internet-of-tomohiro.netlify.app/nim/faq.en": Seriously just in general huge thanks for writing these articles. Just in this discord alone those have helped dozens of times and more
18:48:01FromDiscord<ezquerra> In reply to @isofruit "proc without the inline": I’d prefer it if I could decide without having to use a template. Maybe there could be a “forceInline” pragma, which made nim do the unliking instead have letting the C compiler decide
18:48:20FromDiscord<Phil> One sec, weren't you there when that debate was had in internals?
18:48:45FromDiscord<ezquerra> Yes 🙂
18:52:45FromDiscord<Phil> Hmm arne's points there resonated with me more, thus I rather follow that: Let the compiler do its thing given that it has tens of thousand of manhours of work pumped into it.↵And yeah, it'd be better if `inline` actually forced the compiler to do what needs to be done, but I guess I don't code low-level enough to adopt the gut-feeling that it makes much of a differnece.
18:52:48FromDiscord<Phil> (edit) "differnece." => "difference."
19:07:51FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
19:09:50FromDiscord<stoneface86> should be, https://nim-lang.org/docs/system.html#add%2Cseq%5BT%5D%2CopenArray%5BT%5D
19:10:47FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
19:11:17FromDiscord<stoneface86> convert macLen to a byte
19:11:33FromDiscord<stoneface86> you gave it an array of ints I think
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19:13:22FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=down for a while due to DDOS. thanks, buddy!
19:13:37FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> @System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet
19:14:06FromDiscord<stoneface86> oh is output immutable? That might be an issue
19:14:35FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> I didn't even think of that tbh, but yeah that could be an issue
19:14:38FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "You can do `output": Oh! So elegant!
19:14:43FromDiscord<stoneface86> but yeah `&` works too, although it requires a seq instead of openarray
19:14:48FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Yeaah
19:15:03FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> yeah I used ``let`` oof
19:15:21FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Now ya know haha
19:34:47FromDiscord<demotomohiro> In reply to @isofruit "Seriously just in general": I'm glad to hear my articles helps.
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19:41:06FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> Aborted('wasmMemory' was not exported. add it to EXPORTED_RUNTIME_METHODS (see the FAQ))↵Is it normal I have this runtime error with Emscripten while doing ``var view = new Uint8Array(Module['wasmMemory'].buffer, $0, $1);``?
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19:56:57FromDiscord<.aingel.> Is there some sort of workaround for having a filename start with a number?
19:57:02FromDiscord<.aingel.> (edit) "Is there some sort of workaround for having a ... filenameto" added "nim" | "nimfilename ... start" added "to"
19:57:15FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Yea, don't
19:57:28FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> Module names should be valid identifiers
19:57:29NimEventerNew thread by nelsonqt: Decimal operation, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10599
19:57:46FromDiscord<nnsee> In reply to @.aingel. "Is there some sort": why do you want this
19:58:42FromDiscord<.aingel.> I guess I'll just put a letter before it
19:58:51FromDiscord<.aingel.> Are all symbols not allowed in the beginning of a filename?
20:05:34FromDiscord<nervecenter> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCi
20:05:49FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCi" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCj"
20:06:04FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCj" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCk"
20:06:16FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCk" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCl"
20:06:31FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCl" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCm"
20:07:04FromDiscord<nervecenter> (edit) "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCm" => "https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCn"
20:07:10FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nervecenter "Reposting from <#768367394547957761> in": Memory management seems completely unrelated to this, but have you tried using the `refc` GC?
20:07:53FromDiscord<nervecenter> So you're saying switching back to `refc` from `orc` tends to make problems go away?
20:08:45FromDiscord<.aingel.> What's a nim slice to the end?
20:08:51FromDiscord<.aingel.> Like index 1 to the end
20:10:06FromDiscord<nervecenter> `my_seq[1..^1]`
20:10:09FromDiscord<.aingel.> Gotcha
20:10:20FromDiscord<.aingel.> Do u think it's worth adding that to the docs
20:10:35FromDiscord<.aingel.> https://nim-lang.org/docs/tut1.html#advanced-types-slices
20:10:35FromDiscord<nervecenter> There's a whole section on slicing
20:10:40FromDiscord<.aingel.> Yeah I mean just that example
20:10:55FromDiscord<nervecenter> I mean I dunno, I figured it out pretty fast
20:11:33FromDiscord<nervecenter> If you ever wanna test small stuff, use `nim secret`, it's a not-really-a-full-REPL that works to figure out if you get a syntax feature or other small stuff.
20:11:42FromDiscord<.aingel.> Oh cool
20:11:46FromDiscord<.aingel.> Well it's more like
20:11:49FromDiscord<.aingel.> Yeah I figured it out too
20:12:07FromDiscord<.aingel.> With a test file but i think it should be there cause I think like other languages have a sort of syntax for the end
20:12:29FromDiscord<.aingel.> Or rather I mean like there's specific syntax for having only one bound for your slice
20:12:36FromDiscord<.aingel.> In python you don't include the limit
20:12:39FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nervecenter "So you're saying switching": No, just curious to see if this is actually a memory management issue
20:12:51FromDiscord<.aingel.> So naturally someone might look at like, how do I specify I only want one limit
20:12:59FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @chronos.vitaqua "No, just curious to": Seems it was, `refc` is working. It might be trying to collect the `JsonNodes` aas they're being created.
20:13:16FromDiscord<.aingel.> Your pfp is cool btw @nervecenter Is it supposed to be like a mutant barney?
20:13:37FromDiscord<.aingel.> Oh I see he is eating icecream too
20:13:44FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @.aingel. "So naturally someone might": Nim requires full slices, if you look at `1..^1` on its own without brackets, that's basically macro expanded into an initialization of a Slice object.
20:13:58FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @.aingel. "Oh I see he": It's Acrid from Risk of Rain
20:14:21FromDiscord<.aingel.> Ah gotcha, thanks!
20:16:36FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> In reply to @nervecenter "Seems it was, `refc`": Oh wow, that's really odd
20:41:05FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Uhhh not sure how to model the API response for errors tbh
20:51:06NimEventerNew post on r/nim by Better-Process5239: Why i get Error: type mismatch in seq.add?, see https://reddit.com/r/nim/comments/17n4q02/why_i_get_error_type_mismatch_in_seqadd/
20:55:38FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> sent a long message, see http://ix.io/4KCA
21:09:06FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> @nervecenter wow a dirty acrid main?! 😄
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22:10:46FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Hmm to use `Option` from stdlib or `Opt` from results
22:12:43FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> The former will be used solely because it can be parsed nicely
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22:35:02FromDiscord<System64 ~ Flandre Scarlet> In reply to @sys64 "I tried to compile": I found the issue↵Chrome security issue (bruh...)
22:38:44FromDiscord<queebee> sent a code paste, see https://play.nim-lang.org/#ix=4KCS
22:40:01FromDiscord<Elegantbeef> https://github.com/nim-lang/x11/blob/master/x11/xinerama.nim
22:46:03FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `template instantiation too nested nim(nimsuggest chk)` fun
22:47:23Amun-RaSystem64: the server must return to the client two CORS headers: Cross-Origin-Opener-Policy: same-origin and Cross-Origin-Embedder-Policy: require-corp
22:48:01Amun-Rashared memory will not work otherwise
22:57:52FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @Elegantbeef "<@143177514385145856> wow a dirty": Acrid AND Mercenary, I'm filthy
22:59:01FromDiscord<nervecenter> In reply to @.aingel. "Oh I see he": Also that's not ice cream (it is in the original picture), the edit is Commando feeding him a sticky bomb
23:04:04FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> Wow, so far my code is working with the restructure
23:05:25FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> `template instantiation too nested nim(nimsuggest chk)` still getting this weird thing in my code, despite it having no effect at all
23:05:40FromDiscord<Chronos [She/Her]> This is with nimlsp btw
23:16:29NimEventerNew thread by elcritch: Figuro updates: Scrollpane and more, see https://forum.nim-lang.org/t/10600